---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/07/04: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:14 AM - Re: Saw/ Power Miter saw vs Chop saw (Monty Graves) 2. 06:49 AM - Re: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! (David Barth) 3. 08:26 AM - Fuel Lines: Nylo-Seal or other Nylon 11 tubing (Scott and Valeree Stout) 4. 08:28 AM - 801: Flap Motor Bushings (Scott and Valeree Stout) 5. 09:01 AM - Re: Canopy adhesive again (John M. Goodings) 6. 09:29 AM - Re: Saw - thanks (Carlos Sa) 7. 10:09 AM - Re: Fuel Lines: Nylo-Seal or other Nylon 11 tubing (Benford2@aol.com) 8. 10:56 AM - Re: Canopy adhesive again (Rico Voss) 9. 11:15 AM - CH300 Kit (Doug Kotinek) 10. 12:35 PM - Band saw (Brandon Tucker) 11. 12:35 PM - Re: Canopy adhesive again (Thilo Kind) 12. 01:24 PM - Re: Canopy adhesive again (Bryan Martin) 13. 01:59 PM - Re: Fuel Lines: Nylo-Seal or other Nylon 11 tubing (Chuck Deiterich) 14. 02:12 PM - Firewall penetrations (George Swinford) 15. 02:23 PM - 701/geometro (ALEMBIC7@aol.com) 16. 03:11 PM - saw (joe) 17. 03:23 PM - Re: Firewall penetrations (Larry McFarland) 18. 04:47 PM - Re: Firewall penetrations (George Swinford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:19 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Saw/ Power Miter saw vs Chop saw --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves Just a note here because a friend bought the wrong tool because someone said he needed a chop saw.. The term "chop saw" like discussed below is really a Wood cutting POWER MITER saw. With a standard carbide wood cutting blade. (larger number teeth the better)Thats how it will be labeled on the box. It cuts alum angles great. and has a nice locking miter adjustment. This is the one we want. A chop saw is a STEEL cutting saw. IT will say CHOP SAW on the box... It looks simalar to the power miter saw, but has a thin friction blade, very much like a bench grinder. It is possible to buy blades to cut alum with the Chop Saw. BUT the standard friction blade will load up with alum and can cause serious breakage problems. It also doesn't have a very good miter adjustment built into its frame. Great for cutting steel. TERRIBLE for cutting alum. I own both. Most guys use the term chop saw interchangable. But for the inexperienced guy. That goes to Lowes and buys the tool without seeing one, If he goes and buys the one that says chop saw on the box, he is going to be disapointed Monty At 02:25 AM 2/7/04 +0000, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > >Ken and Carlos: > >The band saw is an amazing tool. I have had one for 15 years. I also have >a DeWalt Chop saw with a carbide tipped blade. The chop saw wins when >cutting thick aluminum. Especially straight cuts true and square. The band >saw works, but aluminum will eventually gum up the blade and your butter >will become frozen butter and worse. Even with a new blade, the band saw is >not as fast or true as a chop saw. The adjustments on the chop saw are also >real nice for cutting angles. > >The band saw is the obvious choice for cutting curves and patterns in wood, >plastic or aluminum. The chop saw cuts nice, flat ends to any angle. > >I suggest that you get a chop saw and a band saw. (Don't buy cheap or you >will not be happy). > >Good luck with your decision. > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:39 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Thanks to everyone who made suggestions and comments on this problem area. I believe - as Larry suggested - that the lower 8 inches or so of the tube doesn't have a tight enough radius so we will look at that and try the other excellent suggestions made as well. What a great bunch of folks. David ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks. Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection. __________________________________ http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:41 AM PST US From: Scott and Valeree Stout Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Lines: Nylo-Seal or other Nylon 11 tubing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott and Valeree Stout Is anyone using nylo-seal or similar nylon 11 type tubing for fuel? If so, what type of fuel are you using, 100LL? Auto gas? Any problems or pitfalls with the tubing? the fittings? I am trying to find something with an outside diameter smaller than the 3/8" inside diameter tubing provided with the 801 kit. As I have the auxiliary tanks and fuel returns to each tank I have a total of 4 lines to route to each wing and the suggested routing will only handle 2 lines. Any help is appreciated... Thanx... -Scott http://home.att.net/~the_stouts_zenith_801/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:07 AM PST US From: Scott and Valeree Stout Subject: Zenith-List: 801: Flap Motor Bushings --> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott and Valeree Stout With regards to the flap motor bushings, outer 8C8-15 and inner 8C8-14, how are they placed? I can see the flap motor is placed directly against 8c8-13 and it seems that 8c8-14 is placed between the flap motor and 8f16-6, but how does 8c8-15 go into the mix? http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/data/8cx-02.pdf http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/data/8cf-02.pdf Thanx... -Scott http://home.att.net/~the_stouts_zenith_801/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:15 AM PST US From: "John M. Goodings" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy adhesive again --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" I have had very good performance using Crazy Glue/Super Glue/Cyanoacrylate to stick the rubber edge strip to the canopy. The bond is very strong. The secret is to use very little Crazy Glue. It continues to hold perfectly at low temperatures (-25 degrees). Of course, try it first on scrap material. John Goodings. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:29 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Saw - thanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Thanks to all that replied to my query, on and off list. I think the band saw will be the most usefull tool for the work I have in mind. A disk sander also seems to be a rather good idea - but it will have to wait its turn... Carlos do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:48 AM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Lines: Nylo-Seal or other Nylon 11 tubing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 2/7/2004 9:27:29 AM Mountain Standard Time, the_stouts@worldnet.att.net writes: > > Is anyone using nylo-seal or similar nylon 11 type tubing for fuel? > If so, what type of fuel are you using, 100LL? Auto gas? > Any problems or pitfalls with the tubing? the fittings? > > I am trying to find something with an outside diameter smaller than the > 3/8" inside diameter tubing provided with the 801 kit. > As I have the auxiliary tanks and fuel returns to each tank I have a > total of 4 lines to route to each wing and the suggested routing will > only handle 2 lines. > > Any help is appreciated... > > Thanx... > If ZAC would have made the fuel line cover thats in the rear of the door opening a little bigger we would not be fighting this problem. I could have run my pitot tube in there also. I am running metal lines with lola rubber hose for all my connections. I don't see any problem using what you describe either. If ya want so pics of mt set up e mail me off list abd I will zip um to ya. Ben Haas N801BH ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:15 AM PST US From: Rico Voss Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy adhesive again --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss > rubber trim > > has to be glued to the canopy. I'm not there yet, but has anyone tried the black silicone adhesive/sealant that is sold at autoparts stores, used to seal windshields to the rubber weatherstrip. Seems like it might work..... Rico, XL, mid-fuse. and on hold __________________________________ http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:18 AM PST US From: Doug Kotinek Subject: Zenith-List: CH300 Kit --> Zenith-List message posted by: Doug Kotinek I've been lurking for awhile and am curious to know if anyone is interested in a CH 300 kit, partially assembled. Several years ago, a friend had started to build a CH 300 but changed his mind and went on to build and finish an RV-9A. I volunteered to poke around the 'net for him. If there is anyone who might be interested, please contact me directly. I, currently, don't have detailed information, but can definitely get it (& pictures) for anyone interested. Thanks for your time. Doug Kotinek Rapid City, SD. __________________________________ http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:14 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Band saw --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker List, Harbor freight has a table top band saw with a 12" throat for under $100. Works great. They also have a full size upright model with a 14" throat on sale at $219 from $319 here in the San Diego stores. I have both - they are a steal. Brandon Tucker HDS Do not archive __________________________________ http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:14 PM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy adhesive again --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi folks, there is an intersting article about glueing the Plexiglas to aluminum in one the last issues of Sprt Aviation. Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy adhesive again > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > Hi List, > Well I've procrastinated long enough and the rubber trim > has to be glued to the canopy. That isn't so challenging, > but the little patch on each side of the rear edge where > the rubber trim is only holding onto aluminum is curious. > What do you do there? And what does one do about > getting the aluminum and the acrylic to stay together > in a patch that is without screws or fasteners? Anyone > glue the canopy to the aluminum in this area? > This little corner each side of the canopy is troubling > and I'm sure some of you 601 builders have been there. > I'd be pleased to hear what was done before the fact. > > Thanks again, > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS and getting close....after 4-1/2 years... > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy adhesive again From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 2/7/04 1:55 PM, Rico Voss at vozzen@yahoo.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss > >> rubber trim >>> has to be glued to the canopy. > > I'm not there yet, but has anyone tried the black > silicone adhesive/sealant that is sold at autoparts > stores, used to seal windshields to the rubber > weatherstrip. Seems like it might work..... > > Rico, XL, mid-fuse. and on hold On nonporous surfaces silicone sealant peels off too easily. The stuff to use to glue the weather strip on to the canopy is 3M weather-strip adhesive. This can be found at some auto parts stores and most building supply stores. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Panel and engine installed. Nearly done. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:20 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Lines: Nylo-Seal or other Nylon 11 tubing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" I'm no expert but I have been told that Tygon tubing is good and does not deteriorate. I used it in my wings where fuel lines are hard to replace. I checked it during my annual it's still like new. It is pale yellow and flexible. I used 1/4" for 80 hp. I only used ZAC supplied fuel line where it is easy to get at. Chuck D. N701TX It was great flying here (Central Texas) today. Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Lines: Nylo-Seal or other Nylon 11 tubing > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott and Valeree Stout > > Is anyone using nylo-seal or similar nylon 11 type tubing for fuel? > If so, what type of fuel are you using, 100LL? Auto gas? > Any problems or pitfalls with the tubing? the fittings? > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:04 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: Firewall penetrations --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" My 601HD will be Stratus Subaru powered and has the 8 gallon fuselage tank. My electrical system will run two batteries, both located behind the right seat. If any builder out there is running a similar setup I'd appreciate knowing where you made the various firewall penetrations. Pictures would be very helpful. George ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:07 PM PST US From: ALEMBIC7@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701/geometro --> Zenith-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com Would Guy Davis, Denver CO. and anyone else flying a 701 with a geo/suzuki engine please contact me off list? Thanks in advance AZLurker ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:29 PM PST US From: "joe" Subject: Zenith-List: saw --> Zenith-List message posted by: "joe" saw saw saw The bottom line is this . Go to Lowe's buy the cheap littel table top modle about ahundred bucks. It will cut any thing that you are going to cut building a airplane. I've had one for two years and it works great I cut heavy alum. wood ,card board,plastic,thin sheet metal. I f you are looking for a deal wait a year I'll sell you mine for 50.00. See YA. J.G. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:25 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall penetrations --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: Firewall penetrations > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" > > My 601HD will be Stratus Subaru powered and has the 8 gallon fuselage tank. My electrical system will run two batteries, both located behind the right seat. If any builder out there is running a similar setup I'd appreciate knowing where you made the various firewall penetrations. Pictures would be very helpful. > > George George, I placed my batteries on a tray attached between the top rear spar and the J-section behind it. Battery cables run from there out the lightening hole behind the seat and forward to the lightening hole turning in under the seat to the center of the spar and forward to the firewall, right and up the firewall diagonal and thru a grommet in the firewall near the same place that a ground-bus connector is attached. My fuel line exits an 8-gallon tank just right of center, goes down and forward thru the firewall to connect with the gascolator. Electrical bundles go thru 2 grommets left side of the firewall 4" or so below the engine mount bolt and clamp on the angle coming out and use engine mount tubes to support and distribute connectons. Pictures of these are best seen on the engine page of my site beginning about 7 frames down, electrical page shows battery routing and header tank page shows fuel connection line from inside. If you scout around, you'll see the entirety of what I've done to make these connectons. I think it's all there. Best of luck Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:25 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall penetrations --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" Thanks, Larry. George do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall penetrations > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > > Subject: Zenith-List: Firewall penetrations > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" > > > > My 601HD will be Stratus Subaru powered and has the 8 gallon fuselage > tank. My electrical system will run two batteries, both located behind the > right seat. If any builder out there is running a similar setup I'd > appreciate knowing where you made the various firewall penetrations. > Pictures would be very helpful. > > > > George > > > George, > I placed my batteries on a tray attached between the top rear spar and the > J-section behind it. Battery cables run > from there out the lightening hole behind the seat and forward to the > lightening hole turning in under the seat > to the center of the spar and forward to the firewall, right and up the > firewall diagonal and thru a grommet > in the firewall near the same place that a ground-bus connector is attached. > My fuel line exits an 8-gallon tank > just right of center, goes down and forward thru the firewall to connect > with the gascolator. Electrical bundles > go thru 2 grommets left side of the firewall 4" or so below the engine mount > bolt and clamp on the angle coming > out and use engine mount tubes to support and distribute connectons. > Pictures of these are best seen on the engine page of my site beginning > about 7 frames down, electrical page shows battery routing and header tank > page shows fuel connection line from inside. If you scout around, you'll > see the entirety of what I've done to make these connectons. I think it's > all there. > > Best of luck > Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com > >