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1. 04:33 AM - 801 fuel lines (Tom Faulkner)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Saw ()
3. 05:33 AM - Re: primer applications suggestions ()
4. 06:10 AM - Re: primer applications suggestions (Dejan Vucinic)
5. 06:41 AM - Re: primer applications suggestions (Carlos Sa)
6. 08:13 AM - Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601 (Ron DeWees)
7. 08:37 AM - Re: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601 (TOMGILES@aol.com)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601 (Rick Pitcher)
9. 09:23 AM - Spray gun (Brandon Tucker)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601 (Cy Galley)
11. 11:10 AM - Antennae (wizard-24@juno.com)
12. 12:15 PM - Re: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601 (Don Walker)
13. 12:22 PM - Re: 601XL/O-235 (Dave Kubassek)
14. 12:43 PM - Verner engine (MYSTERY MAN)
15. 01:07 PM - Re: Antennae (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
16. 03:35 PM - 601XL wight & balance (Wayne Glasser)
17. 03:40 PM - Re: Antennae (wizard-24@juno.com)
18. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Saw (David Barth)
19. 03:58 PM - Re: Antennae (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
20. 04:05 PM - Re: 601XL/O-235 (Frank Jones)
21. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Saw (Cy Galley)
22. 05:30 PM - Re: primer applications suggestions noted and appreciated (Joemotis@aol.com)
23. 06:18 PM - Incorrect Skins - Problem Solved (Mark Stauffer)
24. 06:32 PM - Looking for James Mikelson, Washington State (Traveling Man)
25. 07:01 PM - Re: Incorrect Skins - Problem Solved (Joemotis@aol.com)
26. 07:21 PM - Re: Looking for James Mikelson, Washington State (Wayne Glasser)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
Scott: I had the same problem and used aluminum versatube in the door posts
to fit everything in. Aircraft Spruce has it an the AN fittings.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <kkinney@fuse.net>
>From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Saw
>What are your thoughts regarding band saw vs scroll saw?
>I'm not quite sure which of the two would be more cost effective...
I use a band saw and might offer some advice. If you can, get one that's variable
speed.
You will need to cut metal much slower than wood.
Another thing, keep your band saw tightened & tuned. If you don't, your cuts will
start to veer off from the mark.
I've been tired & forgotten to check the blade tension & true. You'd swear the
cuts had been made by a drunken sabre saw.
Just my thoughts,
kk
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| Subject: | Re: primer applications suggestions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <kkinney@fuse.net>
Personally, I have a babyfood jar full of ZnChr. Whenever I need to apply it,
I shake the jar until it mixes again. Then I apply it with a small piece of foam.
Looking at my factory built spars, it surely looks like they used a brush rather
than spraying.
Just my thoughts,
Kevin Kinney
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| Subject: | Re: primer applications suggestions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dejan Vucinic" <n713z@hotmail.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>
> I wonder if anyone out there has a favorite spraygun (brand,price) that they
> have had good success with spraying Zinc Chromate primer. I have a 220 volt 80
> gallon compressor with filtered and regulated air. Any hints, tips,clean up
> suggestions greatfully accepted. Also any info on the different types of guns
> and what works best for what is another subject I am unsure of.
Don't spray, apply with a brush. It's far healthier, quicker, and
doesn't waste half the product like spraying does. Also, zinc
phosphate, sold at most marine stores, does the same job but
is said to be less damaging to your lungs than chromate. Wear
a mask if spraying either one. I buy a spray can of phosphate
as needed, punch a small hole in the top to let the pressure out
(outdoors!), pour the liquid into a vented plastic bottle and brush
out of this. Shake well before using, dilute with lacquer thinner
when needed, lasts a long time.
Don't use zinc under paint, only between parts to delay corrosion.
Under paint I use the gray DuPont self-etching primer, it is by far
the quickest and most versatile option. Just degrease and spray
out of a spray can, no need to sand if you paint within 24 hours,
no need to roughen the surface before priming, sticks to aluminum
and steel like crazy, compatible with any paint you'd ever want to
use, one ten-dollar can coats an entire wing once. Spray guns
don't last long with either primer.
For paint, acrylic (good) or polyurethane (best), use the $39
chinese-copy-HVLP-gun-with-regulator from Harbor Freight if
they still sell it, it's as good as any $200 gun. Absolutely positively
wear a forced-air respiration system if using polyurethane paint,
serious stuff if that gets into your lungs, as in emergency-room-
breathe-through-a-tube-for-the-rest-of-your-life serious.
Happy painting,
--dv N713Z
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| Subject: | Re: primer applications suggestions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Dejan
Why wouldn't you use the gray DuPont self-etching primer instead of zinc stuff?
Cost? Or...?
BTW, do you have a product number of some more specific identification?
Thanks
Carlos
do not archive
> Don't use zinc under paint, only between parts to delay corrosion.
> Under paint I use the gray DuPont self-etching primer, it is by far
> the quickest and most versatile option. Just degrease and spray
> out of a spray can, no need to sand if you paint within 24 hours,
> no need to roughen the surface before priming, sticks to aluminum
> and steel like crazy, compatible with any paint you'd ever want to
> use, one ten-dollar can coats an entire wing once.
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| Subject: | Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Hingeless ailerons for 601
> Hi listers,
> I hate to open a can of worms but ran into a serious problem today. I am
> using the standard hingeless ailerons on my 601 HDS and have no
reservations
> at all about them. When I talked to my potential DAR he asked if I had
> hinges or not. When he learned mine are hingeless he said that neither he
> or any other DAR in Georgia would sign off on the plane. First off can he
> question a proven engineering design and secondly has there EVER been a
> failure of the hingeless system? I know Nick set up a test stand to put
> thousands of cycles on an aileron and understand that there was never a
> problem. The only comment I have ever seen is that it might increase the
> stick pressure a bit. Has there been any recent development in this
> discussion? I don't mind writing this guy off as a nut but wonder why he
> says nobody else will sign it off either? I really don't want to go the
> FAA inspection route but might have to unless I have some way to counter
> this opinion.
>
> Ron DeWees.
> 601 HDS 90% done, 85% to go.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: TOMGILES@aol.com
I live in Columbus, GA and had my 601-HDS inspected several years ago by a
DAR from Peachtree Ciry. There was no question or problem with the hingless
alierons. You need to find someone else for the inspection. Perhaps you could
give the DAR the Zenith phone number and let him speak to Nick or Chris.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Ron DeWees wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Hingeless ailerons for 601
>
>
>
>>Hi listers,
>>I hate to open a can of worms but ran into a serious problem today. I am
>>using the standard hingeless ailerons on my 601 HDS and have no
>
> reservations
>
>>at all about them. When I talked to my potential DAR he asked if I had
>>hinges or not. When he learned mine are hingeless he said that neither he
>>or any other DAR in Georgia would sign off on the plane. First off can he
>>question a proven engineering design and secondly has there EVER been a
>>failure of the hingeless system? I know Nick set up a test stand to put
>>thousands of cycles on an aileron and understand that there was never a
>>problem. The only comment I have ever seen is that it might increase the
>>stick pressure a bit. Has there been any recent development in this
>>discussion? I don't mind writing this guy off as a nut but wonder why he
>>says nobody else will sign it off either? I really don't want to go the
>>FAA inspection route but might have to unless I have some way to counter
>>this opinion.
>>
>>Ron DeWees.
>>601 HDS 90% done, 85% to go.
My DAR was a little amused at the hingeless ailerons, he didn't really
say anything, just gave me a quizzical look. I laughed and said that No,
I hadn't forgotten to install the hinges, that's the way the blueprint
showed them. He shrugged his shoulders and continued on with the
inspection.
He did have some fun later on when a couple of his buddies dropped by to
see the new airplane in town... sent them right over to the wings to
check out the aileron hinge installation. None of them had seen it done
this way before, but agreed that if it had been tested and approved by
the factory it had to be OK.
Maybe you could print out a copy of the ZAC webpage where they go over
the reasoning behind the hingeless aileron. If he still balks at it, I'd
go shopping for another DAR. You can lead a horse to water, but you
can't make him drink.
Rick P.
N601ZR 100% done, BFR outta the way, physical scheduled for this week...
Should have some bugs on the leading edge REAL soon :)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Joe,
Check this gun out. I have used it for years,
and there is no better gun for the price.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=43430
-On sale right now too!
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
__________________________________
http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
If you still have problems contact EAA. Remember it is Experimental.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Pitcher" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
>
> Ron DeWees wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: Hingeless ailerons for 601
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi listers,
> >>I hate to open a can of worms but ran into a serious problem today. I
am
> >>using the standard hingeless ailerons on my 601 HDS and have no
> >
> > reservations
> >
> >>at all about them. When I talked to my potential DAR he asked if I had
> >>hinges or not. When he learned mine are hingeless he said that neither
he
> >>or any other DAR in Georgia would sign off on the plane. First off can
he
> >>question a proven engineering design and secondly has there EVER been a
> >>failure of the hingeless system? I know Nick set up a test stand to put
> >>thousands of cycles on an aileron and understand that there was never a
> >>problem. The only comment I have ever seen is that it might increase the
> >>stick pressure a bit. Has there been any recent development in this
> >>discussion? I don't mind writing this guy off as a nut but wonder why
he
> >>says nobody else will sign it off either? I really don't want to go
the
> >>FAA inspection route but might have to unless I have some way to counter
> >>this opinion.
> >>
> >>Ron DeWees.
> >>601 HDS 90% done, 85% to go.
>
> My DAR was a little amused at the hingeless ailerons, he didn't really
> say anything, just gave me a quizzical look. I laughed and said that No,
> I hadn't forgotten to install the hinges, that's the way the blueprint
> showed them. He shrugged his shoulders and continued on with the
> inspection.
> He did have some fun later on when a couple of his buddies dropped by to
> see the new airplane in town... sent them right over to the wings to
> check out the aileron hinge installation. None of them had seen it done
> this way before, but agreed that if it had been tested and approved by
> the factory it had to be OK.
> Maybe you could print out a copy of the ZAC webpage where they go over
> the reasoning behind the hingeless aileron. If he still balks at it, I'd
> go shopping for another DAR. You can lead a horse to water, but you
> can't make him drink.
>
> Rick P.
> N601ZR 100% done, BFR outta the way, physical scheduled for this week...
> Should have some bugs on the leading edge REAL soon :)
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
How many antennas am I going to need? I have the following:
(1) Comm radio
(1) VOR nav radio
(1) Transponder
No GPS yet, but I plan to have a handheld, which I will hook in to an
external antenna. I'll also have an ELT.
My biggest question is do I need a separate antenna for each device, or
is there one that can accommodate more than one (such as nav/com
combined). I've been looking at the Aircraft Spruce antennas:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/ntoc.php?sec=av&cat=antenna&pg=2
From what I can tell, looks like I'll need a separate antenna for each
device. If so, where is everyone mounting all of them?
Thanks,
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601 |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:14:36 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <D3DW@msn.com>
I suggest you educate yourself about the hingeless aileron so you can satisfy the
curiosity and concern. I informed mine of the testing done. Tell him about
the quality of the material. I also let him see the maximum throw of 15 degrees.
Then I informed him that a nice 15 degree bank can be done with nearly imperceptible
aileron movement. (I flew the demo three times back in 92 and 93 before
building). Grab the stick, move the aileron about 1/4 inch and say, "that
is a nice easy turn". There's just not a reason for them to wear out. He had
no concerns after that. Don walker HDS TD
----- Original Message -----
From: Cy Galley
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
If you still have problems contact EAA. Remember it is Experimental.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Pitcher" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Hingeless ailerons for 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
>
> Ron DeWees wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: Hingeless ailerons for 601
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi listers,
> >>I hate to open a can of worms but ran into a serious problem today. I
am
> >>using the standard hingeless ailerons on my 601 HDS and have no
> >
> > reservations
> >
> >>at all about them. When I talked to my potential DAR he asked if I had
> >>hinges or not. When he learned mine are hingeless he said that neither
he
> >>or any other DAR in Georgia would sign off on the plane. First off can
he
> >>question a proven engineering design and secondly has there EVER been a
> >>failure of the hingeless system? I know Nick set up a test stand to put
> >>thousands of cycles on an aileron and understand that there was never a
> >>problem. The only comment I have ever seen is that it might increase the
> >>stick pressure a bit. Has there been any recent development in this
> >>discussion? I don't mind writing this guy off as a nut but wonder why
he
> >>says nobody else will sign it off either? I really don't want to go
the
> >>FAA inspection route but might have to unless I have some way to counter
> >>this opinion.
> >>
> >>Ron DeWees.
> >>601 HDS 90% done, 85% to go.
>
> My DAR was a little amused at the hingeless ailerons, he didn't really
> say anything, just gave me a quizzical look. I laughed and said that No,
> I hadn't forgotten to install the hinges, that's the way the blueprint
> showed them. He shrugged his shoulders and continued on with the
> inspection.
> He did have some fun later on when a couple of his buddies dropped by to
> see the new airplane in town... sent them right over to the wings to
> check out the aileron hinge installation. None of them had seen it done
> this way before, but agreed that if it had been tested and approved by
> the factory it had to be OK.
> Maybe you could print out a copy of the ZAC webpage where they go over
> the reasoning behind the hingeless aileron. If he still balks at it, I'd
> go shopping for another DAR. You can lead a horse to water, but you
> can't make him drink.
>
> Rick P.
> N601ZR 100% done, BFR outta the way, physical scheduled for this week...
> Should have some bugs on the leading edge REAL soon :)
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Frank
thanx for the response.
Question, aprox how much did you end up adjusting the stab. from what the
plans called for?
thanx.
dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL/O-235
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
>
> Dave,
>
> The only point I would add is that you want to position the battery in
> such a way as to optimize C of G. Changing the H Stab alignment
> obviously does not affect C of G. In my case, I found that my C of G was
> good by my H Stab alignment wasn't. The symptom was that the elevator
> was not aligned with the H Stab plane during straight and level. I also
> found I did not have enough nose up trim. Changing the H Stab angle of
> incidence corrected this. It took about four different iterations though
> to get it right. Each time with a new set of attach plates.
>
> Frank Jones
> C-GYXQ 601XL 912S
> Ottawa
>
> >Mount battery as far aft as possible to compensate for the heavier
> engine.
> >I also am looking at adding 20 lb. steel or lead plate under battery to
> >allow for less trim to be used for staight and level hands off flight.
> >You could also look at repositioning the Horiz. stab. and acomplish the
> >same
> >result. ( I would think?)
> >dave kubassek
> >C-FDSF. XL 0235
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Nation" <anation@w-link.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL/O-235
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
> >
> > Hi List,
> > Is anyone building the above combo? Does this engine require rear
> mounting
> of
> > the battery to obtain proper CG limits? What about the Jabiru 3300?
> > Thanks,
> > Arthur
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "MYSTERY MAN" <leb1944@hotmail.com>
Anyone running or planning to run a Verner engine or know someone who is?
Check out the great features of the new MSN 9 Dial-up, with the MSN Dial-up
Accelerator. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
You'll need a seperate antenna for each radio. Two comms or two VORs can share
a single antenna but comms and VORs use different types of antennas.
A comm antenna will be a vertical whip (or bent whip) or fin antenna and can be
mounted on the top or bottom of the fuselage. Since it is a transmitting antenna
it should be at least 3 feet from any other antenna.
The VOR antenna wil be a horizontal V shaped dipole antenna. These are usually
mounted on the top of the vertical tail but can be mounted on a post on hte top
or bottom of the fuselage. Don't forget you'll need a balun (BALanced to UNbalanced
converter) with this antenna if it is not built into the antenna. It doesn't
matter if the surface it is attatched to is movable like the rudder of
the 601, the antenna is omni-directional.
The transponder is going to be a short spike antenna and should be mounted on the
belly at least three feet from any other antenna. They put out very high power
pulses of energy that can interfere with other antennas. Take care to mount
it where is not blocked by other structures, you want the ground based ATC antenna
to have a clear line of sight to your transponder antenna.
A GPS antenna can be mounted anywhere it has a clear view of the sky overhead.
Mine is mounted near the forward edge of the rear the top skin, inside the bubble
of the canopy.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> How many antennas am I going to need? I have the following:
>
> (1) Comm radio
> (1) VOR nav radio
> (1) Transponder
>
> No GPS yet, but I plan to have a handheld, which I will hook in to an
> external antenna. I'll also have an ELT.
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| Subject: | 601XL wight & balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Would anyone with a flying 601XL powered by a Jabiru 3300 be prepared to
share their weight and balance figures to assist other builders.
Many thanks
Wayne Glasser
Sydney - Australia
CH601-XL 5075
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
Thanks Bryan -- great info. One more question if I might......do all
these devices use the same type of antenna cable (I assume coax of some
sort?).
Mike F.
601XL
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:06:49 +0000 bryanmmartin@comcast.net writes:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
>
> You'll need a seperate antenna for each radio. Two comms or two VORs
> can share a single antenna but comms and VORs use different types of
> antennas.
>
> A comm antenna will be a vertical whip (or bent whip) or fin antenna
> and can be mounted on the top or bottom of the fuselage. Since it is
> a transmitting antenna it should be at least 3 feet from any other
> antenna.
>
> The VOR antenna wil be a horizontal V shaped dipole antenna. These
> are usually mounted on the top of the vertical tail but can be
> mounted on a post on hte top or bottom of the fuselage. Don't forget
> you'll need a balun (BALanced to UNbalanced converter) with this
> antenna if it is not built into the antenna. It doesn't matter if
> the surface it is attatched to is movable like the rudder of the
> 601, the antenna is omni-directional.
>
> The transponder is going to be a short spike antenna and should be
> mounted on the belly at least three feet from any other antenna.
> They put out very high power pulses of energy that can interfere
> with other antennas. Take care to mount it where is not blocked by
> other structures, you want the ground based ATC antenna to have a
> clear line of sight to your transponder antenna.
>
> A GPS antenna can be mounted anywhere it has a clear view of the sky
> overhead. Mine is mounted near the forward edge of the rear the top
> skin, inside the bubble of the canopy.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
> >What are your thoughts regarding band saw vs scroll
> saw?
> >I'm not quite sure which of the two would be more
> cost effective...
FWIW - And maybe someone will have some advice for me
on this one. I bought a used 3-wheel band saw. The
wheels are smaller and arranged into a triangle to
give you a longer cut depth. Works great but with the
bimetal blade I find I am breaking the blades way too
often. The people I get the blades from say the
radius is just too tight on 3-wheel band saws and it
puts too much bending stress on the joints. I
wouldn't buy a 3-wheeled bandsaw again given this
situation. Anyone got any advice on a different blade
or whatever to help my metal cutting be less blade
destructive?
Thanks
David
=====
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks.
Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
They all use RG-58 or RG-400 Coax.
Bryan
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> Thanks Bryan -- great info. One more question if I might......do all
> these devices use the same type of antenna cable (I assume coax of some
> sort?).
>
> Mike F.
> 601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Dave,
That's really hard to say. The plans say to align the chord of the h
stab with the longerons. Easier said than done, I found. It's hard to
get the tolerance down to less than a degree or two, so I found trial
and error was necessary. As far as I can tell the h stab is aligned
slightly nose down with respect to the longerons. Maybe by 1 degree. I
suspect (but don't know for a fact) that the alignment is very dependent
on the wing alignment.
I just knew the goal was to have the elevator aligned with the chord
during straight and level and to have the elevator trim neutral at this
time also. I moved my attach holes up at the back a total of 10 mm from
my original positioning, and the front attach holes down about 5 mm from
my original positioning. Now the elevator and trim tab are where they
belong in straight and level.
Frank
>Frank
>thanx for the response.
>Question, aprox how much did you end up adjusting the stab. from what
the
>plans called for?
>thanx.
>dave
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
My dad made a 3 wheel band saw back in 1940. Even with the very thin
blades, he had a lot of breakage UNTIL he tensioned them very tight. He
claimed that a vibration wave would set up above the work, breaking the
blade. Running it tighter, he said solved the problem.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter soon to be Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barth" <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Saw
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
>
> > >What are your thoughts regarding band saw vs scroll
> > saw?
> > >I'm not quite sure which of the two would be more
> > cost effective...
>
> FWIW - And maybe someone will have some advice for me
> on this one. I bought a used 3-wheel band saw. The
> wheels are smaller and arranged into a triangle to
> give you a longer cut depth. Works great but with the
> bimetal blade I find I am breaking the blades way too
> often. The people I get the blades from say the
> radius is just too tight on 3-wheel band saws and it
> puts too much bending stress on the joints. I
> wouldn't buy a 3-wheeled bandsaw again given this
> situation. Anyone got any advice on a different blade
> or whatever to help my metal cutting be less blade
> destructive?
> Thanks
> David
>
> =====
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder
> Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks.
> Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for
inspection.
>
> __________________________________
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: primer applications suggestions noted and appreciated |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Thanks list
I think I am going to go with the Harbor Freight Option.The HVLP gun is on
sale now for 34.99. Unfortuanately, brushing is not an option as the airplane
will be tied down outside about 10 miles from the ocean in Orange County CA. so
I want to primer all interior surfaces.
Thanks again listers
Joe Motis
601 Xl
Big box shipping this Monday, 16 Feb.
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| Subject: | Incorrect Skins - Problem Solved |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
To all,
Several days ago I wrote about a problem with the bottom wings skins
supplied by ZAC. It seemed that Jack Russell and I were getting nowhere with
ZAC. Finally, today I faxed a letter to Sebastian. In it I explained the
problem and was very frank about how I felt. Within 90 minutes I received a
fax back from Nick apologizing for the delay (he believed that the problem
had been solved) and offering to send two new bottom skins. I'm also sure
that the recent e-mails between ZAC and Jack helped.
I just wanted to say that I now feel better about the customer support from
ZAC. It took several months but in the end they did come through and solve
the problem.
Mark
601XL, tail finished, waiting on new bottom skins.
N996XL (reserved)
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| Subject: | Looking for James Mikelson, Washington State |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
Just saw his newly completed 601 on the Zenith website and would like to ask
some questions about his sliding canopy.
Any help appreciated
Bob Lindley
CH601-HD - I got a rudder and lots of paper now.
overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Incorrect Skins - Problem Solved |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Mark,
We feel that is a Happy ending!
And, the time spent learning that the skins were wrong is a learning
experience,
not neccesarily needed or wanted but a tribute to your skillsets and patience.
After 30 tears in the electrical trades, from Army aircraft, Navy ships,
Hospitals ETC ad nausem I still spend a little time with the not needed and not
wanted every day...
My Dad was right!
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for James Mikelson, Washington State |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Bob
I have tried sending him an e-mail about his sliding canopy however there
has been no response so far.
Regards
Do not archive.
Wayne Glasser
Sydney - Australia
CH601-XL 5075
----- Original Message -----
From: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for James Mikelson, Washington State
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man"
<travliman58@hotmail.com>
>
> Just saw his newly completed 601 on the Zenith website and would like to
ask
> some questions about his sliding canopy.
>
> Any help appreciated
>
> Bob Lindley
>
> CH601-HD - I got a rudder and lots of paper now.
>
> overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
>
>
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