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1. 05:08 AM - fingerscreen access 601xl (The Minearts)
2. 02:44 PM - ch 701 kit for sale on e-bay (Jim Kepford)
3. 07:35 PM - Re: ch 701 kit for sale on e-bay (Frank Stutzman)
4. 07:36 PM - Re: 601XL wight & balance (Weston and Judy Walker)
5. 07:40 PM - Re: ch 701 kit for sale on e-bay (Jim Kepford)
6. 07:46 PM - Re: ch 701 kit for sale on e-bay (Robert Hillebrand)
7. 07:56 PM - Re: primer applications suggestions (Dejan Vucinic)
8. 09:52 PM - Re: ch 701 kit for sale on e-bay (Frank Stutzman)
9. 11:36 PM - Re: Re: 601XL wight & balance (Wayne Glasser)
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| Subject: | fingerscreen access 601xl |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts" <smineart@kdsi.net>
Here's 2c worth about providing access to the fingerscreen ( fuel tank outlet)
through the LE skin. If you want to put in the cover with its nutplates as shown
on the plans, leave a rivet-free zone when drilling the skin to the noseribs
NR-3 & 4. It's not mentioned in the manual, and I had already drilled the
holes when I discovered it. ZAC doesn't have this on their demo ship, but added
it to meet anticipated LSA requirements. I decided to cut the hole, and made
a cover to be riveted on with the skin.
FWIW,
Steve Mineart, N164SM
601XL, tail, L-wing 90%
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| Subject: | ch 701 kit for sale on e-bay |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2459709591&category=26428
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: ch 701 kit for sale on e-bay |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman <stutzman@stutzman.com>
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Jim Kepford wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com>
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2459709591&category=26428
Might be useful to state here (and on ebay) where in the US you are.
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR
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| Subject: | RE: 601XL wight & balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston and Judy Walker" <westonjudy@earthlink.net>
Here is W/B on my finished and flying 601XL with Jabiru 3300
Empty Weight (includes oil): 729 lbs.
Right main wheel 223 lbs., arm 752 mm, moment 167,696
Left main wheel 229 lbs, arm 752 mm, moment 172,208
Nose wheel 277 lbs, arm -521 mm, moment -144,317
Computed Empty CG= 268mm, moment 195,587
Allowable CG range (according to Zenith) is 300-450mm
Some examples:
Full fuel (24 gallons total; standard tanks only) and 200 lb pilot: CG
is 337
Full fuel, 200 lb pilot, 180 lb passenger, 40 lb baggage, CG is 427
Only 4 gallons fuel, 200 lb pilot, 180 lb passenger, 40 lb baggage, CG
is 452 (be sure and lean forward!)
Full fuel, 140 lb pilot, CG is 315
CG moves aft with fuel burn. If you are at full load, you must check
your landing CG before you go.
I have no idea how the XL handles at a CG of 450. I haven't done that
yet.
Weston Walker
3 flights, 2.1 hours total
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser"
<ku-tec@bigpond.net.au
<mailto:ku-tec@bigpond.net.au?subject=Re:%20601XL%20wight%20&%20balance&
replyto=200402092334.i19NYeW17918@matronics.com> >
Would anyone with a flying 601XL powered by a Jabiru 3300 be prepared to
share their weight and balance figures to assist other builders.
Many thanks
Wayne Glasser
Sydney - Australia
CH601-XL 5075
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| Subject: | Re: ch 701 kit for sale on e-bay |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com>
I belive you have me confused with whoever is selling that kit.
Jim
Frank Stutzman <stutzman@stutzman.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Jim Kepford wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2459709591&category=26428
Might be useful to state here (and on ebay) where in the US you are.
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR
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| Subject: | Re: ch 701 kit for sale on e-bay |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand <masterbogun@yahoo.com>
I'm selling my 701 kit but not on Ebay
Jim Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford
I belive you have me confused with whoever is selling that kit.
Jim
Frank Stutzman wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Jim Kepford wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2459709591&category=26428
Might be useful to state here (and on ebay) where in the US you are.
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR
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| Subject: | Re: primer applications suggestions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dejan Vucinic" <n713z@hotmail.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> Why wouldn't you use the gray DuPont self-etching primer instead of zinc stuff?
Between parts, you mean? I'm not sure, might be as good or better.
The reason for putting zinc in there is to have it corrode first. For
illustration, some diesel engines on big ships are cooled with seawater,
so the circulation system has a big chunk of zinc near the inlet to prevent
the electrolytes from corroding the plumbing. This pellet of zinc gets
eaten away and needs to be replaced every once in a while. Similarly,
any water trapped between parts on an airplane can stay there for a
long time, so if there's a fresh supply of electrolytes from, say, acid rain
these places will corrode first. Of course, zinc won't prevent corrosion
of aluminum in that case, only delay its onset until it wastes away.
I don't know whether the DuPont primer contains any zinc, but if it
completely sealed away moisture (probably not unless coated with
paint) it could plausibly do a better job than zinc chromate.
> BTW, do you have a product number of some more specific identification?
I'll look it up when I get home next week. It's sold at auto paint stores
in dark green and light gray versions. Gray is bright enough on aluminum
to not require a white first coat under most colors.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
> Check this gun out. I have used it for years,
> and there is no better gun for the price.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=43430
Yep, that's the one I meant, second that.
Zinc will gum it up, though. Spray cans win.
--dv N713Z
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| Subject: | Re: ch 701 kit for sale on e-bay |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman <stutzman@stutzman.com>
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Jim Kepford wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com>
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> I belive you have me confused with whoever is selling that kit.
My apologies. I had lept to the conclusion that since you posted the
link, you were the person selling. My mistake.
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 601XL wight & balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser" <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au>
Weston
Many thanks for submitting the data.
Do not archive.
Wayne Glasser
Sydney - Australia
CH601-XL 5075
----- Original Message -----
From: "Weston and Judy Walker" <westonjudy@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: 601XL wight & balance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston and Judy Walker"
<westonjudy@earthlink.net>
>
> Here is W/B on my finished and flying 601XL with Jabiru 3300
>
>
> Empty Weight (includes oil): 729 lbs.
>
>
> Right main wheel 223 lbs., arm 752 mm, moment 167,696
>
> Left main wheel 229 lbs, arm 752 mm, moment 172,208
>
> Nose wheel 277 lbs, arm -521 mm, moment -144,317
>
>
> Computed Empty CG= 268mm, moment 195,587
>
>
> Allowable CG range (according to Zenith) is 300-450mm
>
>
> Some examples:
>
>
> Full fuel (24 gallons total; standard tanks only) and 200 lb pilot: CG
> is 337
>
>
> Full fuel, 200 lb pilot, 180 lb passenger, 40 lb baggage, CG is 427
>
>
> Only 4 gallons fuel, 200 lb pilot, 180 lb passenger, 40 lb baggage, CG
> is 452 (be sure and lean forward!)
>
>
> Full fuel, 140 lb pilot, CG is 315
>
>
> CG moves aft with fuel burn. If you are at full load, you must check
> your landing CG before you go.
>
>
> I have no idea how the XL handles at a CG of 450. I haven't done that
> yet.
>
>
> Weston Walker
>
> 3 flights, 2.1 hours total
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser"
> <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au
> <mailto:ku-tec@bigpond.net.au?subject=Re:%20601XL%20wight%20&%20balance&
> replyto=200402092334.i19NYeW17918@matronics.com> >
>
> Would anyone with a flying 601XL powered by a Jabiru 3300 be prepared to
> share their weight and balance figures to assist other builders.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Wayne Glasser
> Sydney - Australia
> CH601-XL 5075
>
>
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