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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Installing 7F3-3SP Top Longeron Gusset (Elwood140@aol.com)
2. 06:07 AM - Re: Installing 7F3-3SP Top Longeron Gusset (Flydog1966@aol.com)
3. 06:19 AM - SOOB Power - 140hp? (Bima, Martin)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: Installing 7F3-3SP Top Longeron Gusset (Benford2@aol.com)
5. 07:20 AM - Fw: X-bracing (Larry Martin)
6. 10:36 AM - 601 XL is a finally a coming (Joemotis@aol.com)
7. 11:17 AM - Re: 601 XL is a finally a coming (Jim Kepford)
8. 11:35 AM - Re: 601 XL is a finally a coming (Joemotis@aol.com)
9. 11:57 AM - KITPLANES - Scott Laughlin (Jon Croke)
10. 12:05 PM - Re: 601 XL is a finally a coming (Scott Laughlin)
11. 01:34 PM - Re: Stratus Subaru cooling (John Karnes)
12. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: 601XL wight & balance (Weston and Judy Walker)
13. 06:20 PM - Re: Stratus Subaru cooling (The Meiste's)
14. 06:35 PM - Re: SOOB Power - 140hp? (Ramperf@aol.com)
15. 09:27 PM - Re: Stratus Subaru cooling (Larry McFarland)
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| Subject: | Re: Installing 7F3-3SP Top Longeron Gusset |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
Thanks, guys! I'll press on.
Larry Wood
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Installing 7F3-3SP Top Longeron Gusset |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
In a message dated 2/13/04 2:20:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, Benford2@aol.com
writes:
<< Just to let you 701 builders know. A 801 broke right there last year so if
your materials list calls for a aluminum gusset you might want to make it
out of
4130 to beef up that area. ZAC has told us 801 builders there is no problem
but I am losing faith in them prettty fast. If my 801 wasn't finished I
would
change mine.
Ben Haas N801BH. do not archive. >>
Did it cause an accident, or was it spotted on the ground? Did
the whole front end drop off, or did it stay "somewhat together?
just curious
Phil
do not archive
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| Subject: | SOOB Power - 140hp? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
How do you get 140 horse out of a EA-81 Soob?
The stock engine is 75hp @ 4800rpm.
The most realistic number I have heard so far is 100 hp @ 5000 rpm with lots
of air movement modifications.
How do you get it under 200 lbs?
The lightest one I have heard of is 230 wet.
Is your engine flying?
Martin Bima
Winnipeg
701
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SOOB Power - 140hp?
How do you get 140 horse out of a EA-81 Soob?
The stock engine is 75hp @ 4800rpm.
The most realistic number I have heard so far is 100 hp @ 5000 rpm with lots of
air movement modifications.
How do you get it under 200 lbs?
The lightest one I have heard of is 230 wet.
Is your engine flying?
Martin Bima
Winnipeg
701
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| Subject: | Re: Installing 7F3-3SP Top Longeron Gusset |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 2/13/2004 7:09:22 AM Mountain Standard Time,
Flydog1966@aol.com writes:
>
> Did it cause an accident, or was it spotted on the ground? Did
> the whole front end drop off, or did it stay "somewhat together?
> just curious
> Phil
> do not archive
>
>
Rear wing attach point ripped of during a hard landing. I still have the pics
I think.
do not archive/
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Hey Brian. This is Larry Martin in Arkansas. I too am building a 701. I am at
the fuselage stage. I plan on putting an extra L angle half way between every
standard L. Here's a little trick you might want to consider.
3M makes a thin double sided tape for putting molding on sides of cars. After
you cut your length for your "L", clean it with aluminum wash on the down side
and clean where it will sit. Drill out the rivets on the longerons where the
"L" will sit. Put a strip of tape on the bottom of the "L" except for an inch
on each end. Put you "L" where you want it and re-rivet just the ends.
You can't remove it with a crow bar, especially after a little time, it sorta melts
together. A couple of advantages, no external rivet line. Plus the tape will
weigh less than twenty or so rivets.
If you are interested it doing this let me know and I will get you the part numbers
for the tape and wash.
I've not been able to figure out how to post on the forum yet. I've tried it a
couple of times, but it won't work. So I gave up, just don't have the time.
I'm trying to post this.
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| Subject: | 601 XL is a finally a coming |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Greetings Listers
Had a pleasent phone call from Shirley at ZAC yesterday and my airplane will
be at the Roadway will call on Monday. Which is a Holiday for me and my Fed
tax return hit my account today. Can you say "airplane parts". My wife can't. Oh
well
Not as exciting as first flight, but exciting none the less.
The time waiting, though, has my shop looking the best it ever has, the loft
is clean and waiting for shiny parts and just bought XM radio for music to
rivet by...
Joe Motis
601 XL
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL is a finally a coming |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com>
Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Greetings Listers
Had a pleasent phone call from Shirley at ZAC yesterday and my airplane will
be at the Roadway will call on Monday. Which is a Holiday for me and my Fed
tax return hit my account today. Can you say "airplane parts". My wife can't. Oh
well
Not as exciting as first flight, but exciting none the less.
The time waiting, though, has my shop looking the best it ever has, the loft
is clean and waiting for shiny parts and just bought XM radio for music to
rivet by...
Joe Motis
601 XL
Do not archive
Lucky dog! :) The only thing coming in for me today is my plans and I can hardly
wait for that!
Jim
http://www.snowy91.com/jims_ch701/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL is a finally a coming |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Hey Jim
Plans have kept me going for months! A little note here, when you go to print
the photo guides it is 300 plus pages. My work cheerfully agreed to print
them and I'll have to let them know sometime, because 300 is a conservative
estimate. www.Itoya.com has some great art display folders with plastic sleeves
for the pages that lay flat and display two sheets at a time. The cost to do
all of the photo guides and the blueprints was less than 100 bucks. Well worth
it and looks very professional. Go to the art profolio evolution and the art
profolio with index on the site or e mail me and I wll send you a pic of them
all laid out on the workbench.
Hang tough
Joe Motis
601 XL
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| Subject: | KITPLANES - Scott Laughlin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
For those who didnt know......
Scott Laughlin has a wonderful article in this month's Kitplanes on building
the 601 wingtips from scratch using composites. Easy to understand, this
looks like a fun project for a first timer.. esp if you see what they charge
for those pieces from Zac...!
If Kitplanes had more articles like this then it would be a better
magazine.... I hope Scott plans more articles like this in the future...
maybe making the ribs from scratch, etc.
Hats off to Scott!
P.S. the very LAST sentence of the article must be a typo... probably a
Kitplanes mistake?
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL is a finally a coming |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Joe:
Printing out all the photo guides just generates a pile of scratch paper if
you don't build your plane all in a few months. The assembly guides change
- you need to check the web site often. It's best just to print out the
section you are working on, then check for updates. I did the same as you
and now have 300+ pages of scratch paper with color photos on the back. I
think most of the photo guides have changed since I started building a year
ago.
Congratulations on the arrival of your partially built aircraft.
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
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From: Joemotis@aol.com
A little note here, when you go to print the photo guides it is 300 plus
pages. My work cheerfully agreed to print
them
Plan your next US getaway to one of the super destinations here.
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus Subaru cooling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Karnes" <jpkarnes@earthlink.net>
> John,
> Just curious what the OAT was during your test, and what RPM were you
> cruising at?
OAT was ~ 45 deg F. I have been cruising at 4000 RPM and climbing out at
4600 RPM.
Established service ceiling of 12,500 ft. yesterday. Was on climb out the
entire time and the water temp never reached 210 deg F.
Put weightlifting plates and dog food in the passenger seat today and
struggled to get to 8000 ft. Think I will reduce the pitch on the Warp
Drive prop to get better climb...
My rad is located at the front of the fuse behind the engine and prop.
Tried to mount it back three feet but had poor cooling there for some
reason...
John Karnes
Port Orchard, WA
N601JK
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 601XL wight & balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston and Judy Walker" <westonjudy@earthlink.net>
Peter,
Here is how my 729lb 601XL is equipped. I followed the plans as closely
as I could. I added aileron trim, nav/strobe lights, main fuel tanks
only, a vacuum system on the Jabiru 3300, a minimal legal IFR panel
including nav/comm/gs, xponder, audio panel/MB receiver. I used the GRT
EIS 6000 for monitoring engine, fuel pressure, vacuum pressure, fuel
level, etc. I used the Control Vision EXP2BUS electrical system. I've
not finished upholstery nor have I painted. Prop is a GT wood/composite
2 blade. For more details/specifics, mail me off-list.
Weston
Time: 07:00:30 AM PST US
From: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: 601XL wight & balance
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
Weston
Please could you give a brief summary of how you have
equipped your aircraft to acheive that weight and
thanks for sharing the info
Best regards
Peter
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:14 -0600, "Weston and Judy
Walker" wrote
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston and Judy
> Walker" <westonjudy@earthlink.net>
>
> Here is W/B on my finished and flying 601XL with
Jabiru
> 3300
>
>
> Empty Weight (includes oil): 729 lbs.
>
>
> Right main wheel 223 lbs., arm 752 mm, moment 167,696
>
> Left main wheel 229 lbs, arm 752 mm, moment 172,208
>
> Nose wheel 277 lbs, arm -521 mm, moment -144,317
>
>
> Computed Empty CG= 268mm, moment 195,587
>
>
> Allowable CG range (according to Zenith) is 300-450mm
>
>
> Some examples:
>
>
> Full fuel (24 gallons total; standard tanks only) and
> 200 lb pilot: CG
> is 337
>
>
> Full fuel, 200 lb pilot, 180 lb passenger, 40 lb
> baggage, CG is 427
>
>
> Only 4 gallons fuel, 200 lb pilot, 180 lb passenger,
40
> lb baggage, CG
> is 452 (be sure and lean forward!)
>
>
> Full fuel, 140 lb pilot, CG is 315
>
>
> CG moves aft with fuel burn. If you are at full load,
> you must check
> your landing CG before you go.
>
>
> I have no idea how the XL handles at a CG of 450. I
> haven't done that
> yet.
>
>
> Weston Walker
>
> 3 flights, 2.1 hours total
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Glasser"
> <ku-tec@bigpond.net.au
>
<mailto:ku-tec@bigpond.net.au?subject=Re:%20601XL%20wight%20
<mailto:ku-tec@bigpond.net.au?subject=Re:%20601XL%20wight%20&%20balance&
> &%20balance&
> replyto=200402092334.i19NYeW17918@matronics.com> >
>
> Would anyone with a flying 601XL powered by a Jabiru
> 3300 be prepared to
> share their weight and balance figures to assist other builders.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Wayne Glasser
> Sydney - Australia
> CH601-XL 5075
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus Subaru cooling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> My rad is located at the front of the fuse behind the engine and prop.
> Tried to mount it back three feet but had poor cooling there for some
> reason...
>
> John Karnes
> Port Orchard, WA
> N601JK
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
John,
Did you see the Jan issue of Sport Aviation?
Good article about P-51 style rad installations. They described how a dead
air space is created close to the planes skin, and the further back on the
plane the thicker this dead air space is. So I believe if your rad was moved
back about 3 feet it also should have been extended down from the skin
several inches so it would have protruded thru this dead air. Much more to
it than that but try getting your hands on an issue if you can.
Also a 601 builder Larry McFarland has done lots of research on this subject
and has a GREAT web site you must check out.
http://macsmachine.com/
Look under the Subaru Engine link to view his rad installation design. He
has also moved his rad back as you did & I'm very interested on how his
cooling will turn out. He's due to be airborne some time this spring, also
he's not far from me so I'm looking forward to getting a first hand look at
his plane. And Larry if your out there, please chime in here if you wish ...
and at the least be sure to let us know how well your design works.
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: SOOB Power - 140hp? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ramperf@aol.com
I dualport the heads and yes I have quite a few flying one in a Europa in
it's 2nd year now.
The stock soobie , on my dyno, is 62hp @ 4600.
I know you guys are not used to hearing these numbers but I can prove them
and do everyday.I have addressed all the reliability problems.
My engine is lightweight because I have spent the last 8 years developing it
and all my intakes and parts are lightweight aluminum (dualport mpefi intake
1.5 lbs).
You can see some of them at www.ramengines.com
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus Subaru cooling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stratus Subaru cooling
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
>
> > My rad is located at the front of the fuse behind the engine and prop.
> > Tried to mount it back three feet but had poor cooling there for some
> > reason...
> >
> > John Karnes
> > Port Orchard, WA
> > N601JK
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> John,
> Did you see the Jan issue of Sport Aviation?
> Good article about P-51 style rad installations. Also a 601 builder Larry
McFarland has done lots of research on this subject
> and has a GREAT web site you must check out.
> http://macsmachine.com/
> Look under the Subaru Engine link to view his rad installation design. He
> has also moved his rad back And Larry if your out there, please chime in
here if you wish ...
> and at the least be sure to let us know how well your design works.
>
> Kelly
Good evening Kelly, John and List,
I'd just inquired of John what other factors might play into cooling
problems and
tried to cover the bases. I'm making another air inlet which will be
interchangable
with the first effort that could at best only be referred to as a scoop.
Articles in Alternative Engines
suggest that in addition to getting the intake away from the belly skin, it
should allow
the air to steady out and slow a bit before going thru the radiator. The
scoop will probably only compress the air and create a lot of drag, so this
second effort should address the smoother airflow.
NSI did a housing similiar to this aft of the firewall that worked well
and a friend in Australia named Jackie reported on this forum that he has of
these under his 601HD
and has not had any problems. His radiator is something near a 6 x 18 x
2-coil deep set directly to the airflow.
My Rabbit radiator is 38" back of the firewall. The exhaust has been
wrapped. A heat muff
encases the total muffler which will keep heat out the radiator intake if
not in the cabin. The
heads were reworked by RAM to preclude loosing valve guides. The radiator
has been sealed all round.
Louvers were added at the back of the radiator to enhance airflow and tuft
testing suggests they work.
This all does wonders for a Stratus powered 601 Center of Gravity, but if
anyone sees a problem with
any of this for cooling, I'd very much appreciate the uptake, whatever it
is.
Thank you for the input.
Larry McFarland
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