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1. 07:17 AM - Re: Oil Heater (William Nichelson)
2. 08:23 AM - Shock mounts revisited (Bill Steer)
3. 08:56 AM - CH601 mods (Carlos Sa)
4. 09:14 AM - Re: Shock mounts revisited (Bill Cardell)
5. 02:22 PM - test message -- please ignore do not archive (Gordon Duke)
6. 03:14 PM - [ Larry Martin ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
7. 03:15 PM - Re: test message -- please ignore do not archive (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com)
8. 04:39 PM - oil coolers (Leo J. Corbalis)
9. 07:08 PM - Re aileron Gap Seals (Norm Turner)
10. 07:16 PM - Safety wiring AN165 turnbuckle end (Michel Therrien)
11. 08:25 PM - Re: Safety wiring AN165 turnbuckle end (Cy Galley)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Nichelson <bn2@bright.net>
I decided as I was building to use the oil cooler to supply heat to the
cabin. I was not sure how it would work, but this is experimental right? I
have an early Jabiru 3300 S/N 16 and the oil cooler I got with the engine
is not what is provided now. It is 2" thick by 4" x 6". I fabricated a
housing to fit around the oil cooler and put a cable operated door at the
bottom to dump the heat into the cowling in the summer months. I ran two 2"
SCAT tubes from the oil cooler housing to the fire wall. I have the oil
cooler housing hanging from the left side of the engine mount, half way
between the engine and fire wall. There is a 4" SCAT tube that supplies
fresh air to the oil cooler, so no engine compartment air is passed into
the cabin.
I flown with OAT below 30 degrees, and the heat will just about drive you
out of the cockpit. At 40 degrees, I have to have the fresh air vents open
almost full to keep a comfortable balance. I flew a Commanche before
building my 610HDS, and we had to weld the muffler and heat exchanger at
every annual. I did not want to have to risk carbon monoxide on my 601. I
am very pleased with the oil cooler heater. I block off the SCAT tubes into
the cabin in the summer. I still need to fabricate a panel mounted shut off
for convenience, but have been having too much fun flying. Maybe this year???
Bill Nichelson
Bellefontaine, Ohio USA
Zodiac 601HDS
S/N 6-3556 - N132BN - "Casual Passion"
3300 Jabiru Engine, Prince Prop
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=bn2&ID=272125&action=display
>Time: 03:15:55 PM PST US
>From: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Oil Heaters?
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi List.
>Please excuse my ignorance on this subject but an idea
>hit me on the drive home. I am planning on using a
>Subaru engine in my 601. One reason being that I
>really like the idea of water cooled engines so I can
>use the water for cabin heat. (Gets mighty cold up
>here in the winter) My second choice would be a
>corvair as I really like the idea of direct drive but
>am not thrilled with breathing air warmed in the
>engine compartment. (Sure smells oily in the Cessna).
>
>Is there any reason you can't use an oil cooler for
>heat exchange for your cabin? If you don't require an
>oil cooler for your system, could you install one
>anyway in the cabin? I know this would mean more
>weight for additional oil and a heat exchanger (oil
>radiator?) I don't think it would cool your oil a lot
>to heat your cabin. And if you already have an oil
>cooler, could you simply install another heat
>exchanger (in the cabin) in the line ahead of the oil
>heat exchanger you have in the engine compartment? I
>don't know anything about how oil cooling works yet
>(as many of you have aleady guessed). Do you have to
>pump the oil or how does it flow through an oil
>cooler? Just musing but sometimes that's how some
>excellent ideas are brainstormed.
>
>Thanks for humoring me.
>David
>
>=====
>David Barth
>601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
>Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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| Subject: | Shock mounts revisited |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
Somebody posted a note, I believe to this list, that mentioned using some VW shock
mount parts (at $2.50 each) for their instrument panel. I can't find the
note in the archives, though. If anybody saved it, or can reference me to it,
can you please send me a note off-line? Thanks very much.
Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, Bill
I read your post on the Z-list, and saw your listing on the Zenair builders database.
Beautiful bird, the "Casual Passion"!
I'm building an HD, from scratch, and would like to ask you a couple of questions:
1) Is your canopy hinged like the RVs', i.e., in the middle as opposed to the sides
(Heintz's
design)?
2) I intend to have my 601 unpainted, just polished. Thus, a metal cowling would
be desirable. Did
you make or buy the nose bowl (if so, what kind)?
Thanks in advance for your attention
Carlos Sa
Montreal, Canada
CH601-HD (tail done, spars and outboard wing skeletons ready to rivet)
> I decided as I was building to use the oil cooler to supply heat to the
> cabin.
...
> Bill Nichelson
> Bellefontaine, Ohio USA
> Zodiac 601HDS
> S/N 6-3556 - N132BN - "Casual Passion"
> 3300 Jabiru Engine, Prince Prop
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=bn2&ID=272125&action=display
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| Subject: | Shock mounts revisited |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
Bill,
Probably VW or Audi fuel pump mounts. Used on almost all the watercooled
VWs. 6mm stud on each side of rubber isolator.
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
Flyin' Miata
www.flyinmiata.com
www.fmprotege.com
970-242-3800
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Steer [mailto:bsteer@gwi.net]
Subject: Zenith-List: Shock mounts revisited
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
Somebody posted a note, I believe to this list, that mentioned using some VW
shock mount parts (at $2.50 each) for their instrument panel. I can't find
the note in the archives, though. If anybody saved it, or can reference me
to it, can you please send me a note off-line? Thanks very much.
Bill
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| Subject: | test message -- please ignore do not archive |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon Duke" <gduke@csom.umn.edu>
test message
please ignore
having problem getting on list
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: test message -- please ignore do not archive |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
The REAL problems will start AFTER you get on the list!
Welcome anyway.
Seventy-one (71) degrees, bright clear skies, no wind, and still hung up at
90% done in North Texas.
Zed Smith/701/R912/650 hrs/not done yet/do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I don't think you will be happy with an oil cooler in the cockpit. Putting some
kind of split flow scheme in the oil system is technically complex and something
else to go wrong. Its one thing to run a capillary tube to an oil pressure
gage and having full flow of oil in the cockpit. You might be able to fold a
capillary tube back on itself to stop an oil leak and a totally differient emergency
blocking a 1/2 in. oil pipe. Parts to split water flow are readily available
and well proven on cars. Try using the oil cooler exhaust air to warm the
cockpit.
I have my exhaust muff intake behind the oil cooler on my Rotax 912 and on a cold
day I can fry my legs with it full open.
Leo Corbalis
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| Subject: | Re aileron Gap Seals |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Norm Turner" <normsflighttraining@bigpond.com>
Hi to all on the list, Have been reading with interest over the last few weeks
on the subject of aileron gap seals. This is how It all started for me ! . About
6months ago I sent an email to ZAC on this subject and got there response which
has been covered very well in answers to questions on the list, MAKE DAM
SURE you leave enough length on full aileron deflection so that it will not jam
your ailerons!!!!. I have a 601 HDS and during my last flight of 4250nm round
trip mostly in rain storms that the water flow over the wings would stop @ the
aileron hinges and go down through them . This made me think of what lift I
was loosing on the HDS wing, and also posed the question of WHY the negative
pressure under the wing / ailerons?It should be positive if the critical Aof Attack
is not exceeded . Not being an aircraft engineer, one must think it out
in layman's terms. Look @ the gap between aileron and trailing edge of the wing
and just think about what the airflow is going to do in flight. Seems to me
that there is a vortex being produced @ that gap , changing the airflow and sucking
the air through the hinges. For the people who have hingless ailerons all
you have to think about is the DRAG produced,IF any, but like me I have to think
about the drag and the loss of lift. I will be doing some experiments soon
on this by first using tape under the hinges and then the gap seal. Which some
on the list have mentioned / RE the extension of the bottom skin / or de riveting
and installing a piece of aluminium with a rub contact on the aileron to
save the paint work , BUT this piece MUST BE LONG ENOUGH so not to catch and
spoil your day. Cheers and safe flying Norm Turner, 601 HDS Rotax 912 / 295Hrs.
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| Subject: | Safety wiring AN165 turnbuckle end |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hi Group,
I'm trying to figure out the right way to safety wire
a turnbuckle with an AN165 "pin" end. For cable end,
it's simple (well, at least, documented), you run the
safety wire through the hole. And for a "fork" end,
you run the wire in the slot. But what do we do for
the pin (or bolt) end?
Michel
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Safety wiring AN165 turnbuckle end |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Pin ends are usually bolted or pinned to a device that cannot rotate around
the axis of the turnbuckle. Then you would only have to safety one end. To
what are you attaching the pin end? If the pinned end is possible to rotate,
then you should use a clip locking turnbuckle. I have seen a pin end fitted
to a chain. Then the safety wire is run thru the chain link.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Therrien" <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Safety wiring AN165 turnbuckle end
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I'm trying to figure out the right way to safety wire
> a turnbuckle with an AN165 "pin" end. For cable end,
> it's simple (well, at least, documented), you run the
> safety wire through the hole. And for a "fork" end,
> you run the wire in the slot. But what do we do for
> the pin (or bolt) end?
>
> Michel
>
>
> =====
> ----------------------------
> Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
>
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