---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/25/04: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:16 AM - Re: Nose rib No.8 601 XL (caspainhower@aep.com) 2. 07:47 AM - Re: Nose rib No.8 601 XL (BillSewell@aol.com) 3. 07:50 AM - GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine (P M Condon) 4. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 12V Heaters (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 5. 10:33 AM - Re: GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine (wizard-24@juno.com) 6. 12:20 PM - Re: GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine (pcondon) 7. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine (Scott Laughlin) 8. 04:30 PM - Re: Nose rib No.8 601 XL (Mark Stauffer) 9. 04:32 PM - Re: Nose rib No.8 601 XL (Joemotis@aol.com) 10. 05:12 PM - Re: GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nose rib No.8 601 XL From: caspainhower@aep.com 02/25/2004 07:13:56 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com Looks like outboard. I attached a picture of my wing just before closure. Almost done with the second one and ready to PU the fuse kit! Craig S. N601XL (See attached file: wing in kitchen.bmp) Joemotis@aol.com Sent by: To: zenith-list@matronics.com owner-zenith-list-server@ma cc: tronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Nose rib No.8 601 XL 02/24/2004 10:37 PM Please respond to zenith-list --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com Hi Listers Does the nose rib number 8 rivet on the in board or on the outboard side of the L angle at the end of the wing spar? The drawing is ambivalent to myself and two friends and after reviewing the drawings was unable to find a detail. Thanks Joe motis 601 XL Starting right wing This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:36 AM PST US From: BillSewell@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nose rib No.8 601 XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: BillSewell@aol.com In a message dated 2/24/2004 7:38:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, Joemotis/M@aol.com writes: Hi Listers Does the nose rib number 8 rivet on the in board or on the outboard side of the L angle at the end of the wing spar? The drawing is ambivalent to myself Joe, Just finished assembling the skeleton for the right wing myself. Nose rib #8 goes on the outboard side of the L angle at the end of the wing spar. The rib flange faces outboard. There is a drawing of this but I don't have the drawings with me at the moment. The one I'm thinking of has a top view of the spar with details of each of the rib to spar joints. I'll have new pictures up of mine later today at http://socaljunk.com/Dads%20Airplane%20Project/. Bill Sewell ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:47 AM PST US From: P M Condon Subject: Zenith-List: GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine --> Zenith-List message posted by: P M Condon There are some builders using the GEO 1.3 SVS from Raven. Many folks are running the GEO 1.0 and 1.3 and are apparently quite happy. Any users on the list with any experience with the GEO ? What I do know at this point is from Raven and internet research. Its a Suzuki water cooled auto application engine with a good track record. There are a few 701 and 601 builders going this way. Comments anyone?? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:31 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 12V Heaters --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" That's a good point Dick, The VG issue has been a very significant detractor to the whole engine package and it seems my thoughts (unacceptable practices of knurling guides and room temp press fitting) agreeing with Ram's plus Ram's discovery that the valve keepers were hitting the top of the guides (hammering them into the chamber in effect) have been the the only credible reasons for the failures...None of these arguments have come from the manufacturer. I will ask Ram to add a page to his website explaining the issue and procedure...I could even write it for him!....:) Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RLucka@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 12V Heaters --> Zenith-List message posted by: RLucka@aol.com In a message dated 2/24/2004 3:01:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, zenith-list-digest@matronics.com writes: I would add c) May not have necessarily caused you to land but when you pulled the heads off you felt lucky to be alive! Put me in as a category c). Three years ago, I had an inflight engine failure on my Stratus Subaru where one spark plug got shorted out by valve guide debris. The engine ran rough on only three cylinders and I managed to land at the airport 7 miles away. I got the heads replaced by Stratus and have flown ever since conservatively with no more valve guide problems. This is not to say I won't have another valve guide problem. I still haven't decided to send my heads to Ram Performance (the Ram web site does not give info as to what is done to rebuild the heads). Dick (601HDS, Stratus, 32 hours at engine failure, 176 hours flight time now) advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > folks are running the GEO 1.0 and 1.3 and are apparently quite happy. Any users on the list with > any experience with the GEO ? > Its a Suzuki water cooled auto application engine with a good track record. There are a few > 701 and 601 builders going this way. Comments anyone?? I don't have experience flying behind one of these engines, but I do currently own a Suzuki Samurai with the 1.3L in it. And based on my experiences, no way would I leave the ground with that powerplant. Admittedly, I'm not sure what is replaced when it is converted to aircraft use (I hope a LOT), but my inclination, for what it's worth, is that there are better alternatives. Mike Fortunato 601XL Corvair powered (soon I hope) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:45 PM PST US From: "pcondon" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine --> Zenith-List message posted by: "pcondon" The specific Suzuki GEO engine Raven(1300SVS) is using is the DOHC, 16 valve 4 cylinder water cooled 1.3 L Geo Metro engine. It's a totally different engine then the one in your Samurai. BTW, the Suzuki engine that Raven is using on its 1300SVS is the same engine the Samauri owners club is swapping into the Samurai's all over......apparently this 1300 DOHC 16v engine is highly sought for both Samurai and auto conversions for aircraft...... Re: GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > folks are running the GEO 1.0 and 1.3 and are apparently quite happy. Any users on the list with > any experience with the GEO ? > Its a Suzuki water cooled auto application engine with a good track record. There are a few > 701 and 601 builders going this way. Comments anyone?? I don't have experience flying behind one of these engines, but I do currently own a Suzuki Samurai with the 1.3L in it. And based on my experiences, no way would I leave the ground with that powerplant. Admittedly, I'm not sure what is replaced when it is converted to aircraft use (I hope a LOT), but my inclination, for what it's worth, is that there are better alternatives. Mike Fortunato 601XL Corvair powered (soon I hope) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:02 PM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" From Mike Fortunato - "And based on my experiences, no way would I leave the ground with that powerplant. Mike, I nearly laughed myself to tears when I read your post. Many moons ago my wife planned a vacation when we didn't have kids. She did everything from airfare to hotel to car rental. When we arrived at the car rental place (Alamo) I asked her what type of car we had and she shrugged her shoulders. I knew that was a bad sign. We ended up with a three-cylinder Geo Metro. It couldn't get out of it's own way. We feared for our lives on the interstate where this brand new car would barely do 60. No disrespect to anyone considering a GEO metro engine - I'm sure they have improved since 1992. I'm just showing my age (and ignorance). Maybe they have more than three cylinders now :). Scott. Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:11 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Nose rib No.8 601 XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" Joe, Take a close look at drawing 6-W-7 bottom right "exploded" view. The rib mounts on the outboard side. Have you already finished the tail feathers?? Good luck and have fun building. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Nose rib No.8 601 XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com Hi Listers Does the nose rib number 8 rivet on the in board or on the outboard side of the L angle at the end of the wing spar? The drawing is ambivalent to myself and two friends and after reviewing the drawings was unable to find a detail. Thanks Joe motis 601 XL Starting right wing ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:27 PM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nose rib No.8 601 XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com Thanks Bill and all, to the outboard side she goes! Joe Motis 601 XL Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:16 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GEO & Subaru EJ-22 in a 601 - Try GEO Engine --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Mike, Just one comment, not intendend to sound like a fight with you at all. In fact, I am also planning to build a Corvair W.Wayne conversion, trying to get 2 cores from USA. will later this year... I have an Uncle that owned a Corvair car in the early 70's, when I talked to him (very optimistic) about this engine proyect, knowing that he owned such a marvel (I thought)... He told me that I will fly with that engine "over my dead body" he said, he explained to me that he had all sort of problems with that car, I dont know if the engine (block area) included or only with elctric, carburator, handling etc, he was so upset of my crazy idea, that I didnt wanted to get to more details, he is 84 years young, was the worse car he had ever owned, and he was serious... Now the Corvair conversion is in the top ranking of the 100 hp, 200 lbs area Experimental instalation. Go figure. Buy the way, will be another engine project with no specific plane to install it in, just for the conpulsion of building ;-) probably for the 601 XL we still have in the box, if we dont sell the kit soon... Saludos Gary Gower --- wizard-24@juno.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > > > > folks are running the GEO 1.0 and 1.3 and are apparently quite > happy. > Any users on the list with > > any experience with the GEO ? > > Its a Suzuki water cooled auto application engine with a good track > record. There are a few > > 701 and 601 builders going this way. Comments anyone?? > > I don't have experience flying behind one of these engines, but I do > currently own a Suzuki Samurai with the 1.3L in it. And based on my > experiences, no way would I leave the ground with that powerplant. > Admittedly, I'm not sure what is replaced when it is converted to > aircraft use (I hope a LOT), but my inclination, for what it's worth, > is > that there are better alternatives. > > Mike Fortunato > 601XL > Corvair powered (soon I hope) > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools