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1. 12:18 AM - Hello: Ch-640 show of hands (James Schulist)
2. 12:18 AM - Brake parts for 601 (Richard McLachlan)
3. 04:27 AM - Re: RR 1 601XL (Mark Stauffer)
4. 06:06 AM - RR1 stiffeners (The Minearts)
5. 06:18 AM - Re: Hello: Ch-640 show of hands (Larry McFarland)
6. 08:04 AM - Re: Brake parts for 601 (Dave Alberti)
7. 08:41 AM - New Builder Intro (Jack K. Holley)
8. 09:15 AM - Re: RR1 stiffeners (caspainhower@aep.com)
9. 11:03 AM - Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601 (Larry McFarland)
10. 11:14 AM - Re: RR1 stiffeners (Joemotis@aol.com)
11. 11:45 AM - Re: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601 (Cy Galley)
12. 12:02 PM - Re: Hello: Ch-640 show of hands (Matthew Mucker)
13. 01:23 PM - Re: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601 (Larry McFarland)
14. 01:46 PM - 601 flat plate area (Steve Sharp)
15. 03:06 PM - Re: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601 ()
16. 03:10 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps & hinge pins (wizard-24@juno.com)
17. 03:42 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps & hinge pins (Ray Montagne)
18. 03:55 PM - Re: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601 (Cy Galley)
19. 06:06 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps & hinge pins (Benford2@aol.com)
20. 06:07 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps & hinge pins (Benford2@aol.com)
21. 06:25 PM - Inspection process in Ontario, Canada (Jarek M. Walter)
22. 06:30 PM - Re: Hello: Ch-640 show of hands (Jeff Paden)
23. 06:37 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps & hinge pins (wizard-24@juno.com)
24. 06:45 PM - Re: New Builder Intro (Daniel Vandenberg)
25. 08:00 PM - Re: Inspection process in Ontario, Canada (Mike Fothergill)
26. 10:54 PM - Help needed with nose gear steering rods (Jeff Paden)
27. 11:11 PM - Re: Help needed with nose gear steering rods (Benford2@aol.com)
28. 11:14 PM - Re: Help needed with nose gear steering rods (Benford2@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Hello: Ch-640 show of hands |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "James Schulist" <mrlassiter@wirefreeme.net>
Hi All,
Congrats to SoCal local Mr. Pitcher on his recent first flight!
I have been lurkinng the list for a few months now, and have decided to jump
in and join the fun. I will be butchering some sheet metal to build a CH-640
from plans and like Mr Pitcher, I will probably buy a few of the more
difficult/tooling intensive parts from ZAC. (Wing spars, perhaps welded
components, etc.)
Are there any other 640 builders in full swing yet? I have ferretted out a
few web pages, but none have been updated much beyond the plans purchase
phase. I know you are all just dying for me to start in on the myriad 'asked
and answered' questions I'll have, I apologize in advance for them.
First among them though, so that I might start getting it all together,...
Is there a recommended supplier for the tooling? Clecos, Cleco pliers, sheet
metal snips, etc? Perhaps a GOOD kitted deal?
Second, how is ZAC at providing the odd part for us scratchbuilders? I will
obviously be purchasing the plans, and most likely the wing spars if I can
get them separately. Do they charge decent prices for individual pieces such
as that or would one have to purchase the entire kit that those pieces come
in.
Third, Many of these questions probably could have been answered today had
ZAC answered the phone, but between 11:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. there was no
answer and no machine left in charge at the factory.. How are they in
general with customer service, especially regarding the above asked parts
issue?
Thanks in advance, and thanks for all the helpful posts I've read so far,
you've got a good group of people here!
James "Dave" Schulist
mrlassiter@wirefreeme.net
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| Subject: | Brake parts for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
I have a leak on one main wheel brake slave cylinder on our 601HDS and need
to either replace the seals or get a new cylinder. Does anybody know the
manufacturer and part number for the slave cylinder assembly? As we did not
build her ourselves, we constantly run into this problem of no construction
documentation or any idea where to get replacement parts from.
Any help appreciated
Richard McLachlan
CH601/R22
landing site details at www.rodsley.net
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
I laid mine out on the inside of the RR#1 per the suggestion in the builders
guide. I riveted all of my stiffeners on all ribs from the "outside"
(opposite side of the flange?) of the rib. I guess maybe a better way to
explain it is all of my rivet heads (for the rib stiffeners) are on the
inboard side of the rib (when it is installed on the spar).
After looking at it maybe that's not a better way to explain it!! :-)
Mark
601XL - Waiting on corrected skins from ZAC.
do not archive
Greetings listers
Concerning wing construction on the 601 XL;
The photo guides on laying out the "L" stiffeners in regards to RR1 offers a
"suggestion" for riveting the L angle on the inside of the flange to avoid
interference with the fuselage skin, but the prints say to lay them out on
the
out side and trim them to 15 MM. to clear the fuselage skin. What is
everyone's
2 cents on this one? My opinion is to layout and rivet them on the inside of
the rib, that way no trimming or distortion of the stiffener occurs. The
construction manual says the prints always supercede the photo guide but?
And which
side should the rivet head be on if I choose to place them on the inside of
the rib?
Joe Motis
601 XL
Starting wings
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts" <smineart@kdsi.net>
mounting the angle stiffeners on the outboard side works fine
Steve Mineart
N164SM, L wing done!
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| Subject: | Re: Hello: Ch-640 show of hands |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
From: "James Schulist" <mrlassiter@wirefreeme.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Hello: Ch-640 show of hands
> Is there a recommended supplier for the tooling? Clecos, Cleco pliers,
sheet
> metal snips, etc? Perhaps a GOOD kitted deal?
Answer: Good prices for clecos, pliers are had from AirParts Kansas. Sheet
metal Weiss brand left, rights and straight snips are available at Lowe's.
Second, how is ZAC at providing the odd part for us scratchbuilders?
Do they charge decent prices for individual pieces such
as that or would one have to purchase the entire kit that those pieces come
in.
. How are they in general with customer service, especially regarding the
above asked parts
issue?
Answer: Zac has always sent me the singular part at the same price that the
kit-builder would pay.
If you're a scratch builder, these will be few, but things like wheels,
brakes, canopy, etc.
Answer: Zac is also has been extremely good at taking care of questions,
parts, service and conducts business with the same amount of patience for
the scratch builder as the kit builder.
In addition, there are scratch-builders on the net who have sites that
illustrate process and methods
that are sometimes difficult to manage without a little help. Tho I'm a
601HDS scratch builder, the
problems are much the same and you're welcome to visit.
Good luck James,
Larry C. McFarland @ www.macsmachine.com
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Brake parts for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
If the wheels and brakes are originally from ZAC they will be MATCO
www.matcomfg.com The site has drawings of all their products so you can
cross check if that looks like what you have.
Dave
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
I have a leak on one main wheel brake slave cylinder on our 601HDS and need
to either replace the seals or get a new cylinder. Does anybody know the
manufacturer and part number for the slave cylinder assembly? As we did not
build her ourselves, we constantly run into this problem of no construction
documentation or any idea where to get replacement parts from.
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| Subject: | New Builder Intro |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jack K. Holley" <jkholley@earthlink.net>
Hi Listers:
Well, after a couple years of lurking on this list and the RV list - and a
false start on an RV6 - I have finally decided to build a 601XL.
I recently received the plans and riveter (thanks, Joe). I plan on scratch
building while purchasing some of the more complex parts from Zenith.
I would love to hear from any builders in the Chicago area, especially if
you wouldn't mind a visit or two to see your project.
Jack Holley
601XL - just getting started
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| Subject: | Re: RR1 stiffeners |
02/28/2004 12:14:47 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Steve,
That's awesome, the second wing will go much faster. I'm ready to
start on the fusilage, I'll be picking it up the 8th, with the control kit.
The weather is finally starting to break here, I'm looking forward to
flying home on weekends more often (in the 172). Did I mention that I
picked up a used 0-235. It has 1666 hrs on it and one bad cylinder. I
plan to rebuild it myself (with my A&P checking my work) when the weather
warms up. Keep up the good work!
Craig S.
N601XS Tail and both wings (almost) done.
"The Minearts"
<smineart@kdsi.net> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent by: cc:
owner-zenith-list-server@ma Subject: Zenith-List:
RR1 stiffeners
tronics.com
02/28/2004 09:05 AM
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts" <smineart@kdsi.net>
mounting the angle stiffeners on the outboard side works fine
Steve Mineart
N164SM, L wing done!
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| Subject: | Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi List,
Has anyone looked at the tow dolly type
car hauler design for moving their aircraft?
With an extended tongue and center ramp on it,
they look like the lightest thing you could build or modify.
CG could easily be a few inches forward of the axle.
The 601HDS has a 45"long x 74" spread that
would allow a Class I hitch and 1200 lb.GVW for
my 4-door Saturn or equal. The only thing beyond
would be a folding tail outrigger to carry lights back
to the tail and keep someone from running under the
rudder. Any history or thoughts?
Larry McFarland @ www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: RR1 stiffeners |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Thanks Mark and Steve
It just seems to make more sense like that.
To the garage we go.
Joe
601 XL
starting wings
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| Subject: | Re: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I still have the 84" by 156" 4 wheel trailer that you can have!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Hi List,
> Has anyone looked at the tow dolly type
> car hauler design for moving their aircraft?
> With an extended tongue and center ramp on it,
> they look like the lightest thing you could build or modify.
> CG could easily be a few inches forward of the axle.
> The 601HDS has a 45"long x 74" spread that
> would allow a Class I hitch and 1200 lb.GVW for
> my 4-door Saturn or equal. The only thing beyond
> would be a folding tail outrigger to carry lights back
> to the tail and keep someone from running under the
> rudder. Any history or thoughts?
>
> Larry McFarland @ www.macsmachine.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Hello: Ch-640 show of hands |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
(raises hand)
If you've searched for CH640 pages I'll assume you've found
www.matthewmucker.com by now. (big ego grin)
I recently got married so the plane project is on hold while the new wife
moves her stuff in (and much of my stuff out).
I'm not far enough into the project to answer many of your questions. Buy
your tools wherever you can find 'em cheap. (Depending on the tool of
course. Many jobs can be done with cheap junk. Other tools you'll want to
pay real money for, but so far I'm getting by with cheap junk. Can you say
"Harbor Freight?")
You can buy just the wing spars (or any other part) individualy from Zenith,
but be prepared for sticker shock.
Feel free to ping me off-list at my first name dot my last name dot net.
-Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Schulist
Subject: Zenith-List: Hello: Ch-640 show of hands
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "James Schulist"
--> <mrlassiter@wirefreeme.net>
Hi All,
Congrats to SoCal local Mr. Pitcher on his recent first flight! I have been
lurkinng the list for a few months now, and have decided to jump in and join
the fun. I will be butchering some sheet metal to build a CH-640 from plans
and like Mr Pitcher, I will probably buy a few of the more difficult/tooling
intensive parts from ZAC. (Wing spars, perhaps welded components, etc.) Are
there any other 640 builders in full swing yet? I have ferretted out a few
web pages, but none have been updated much beyond the plans purchase phase.
I know you are all just dying for me to start in on the myriad 'asked and
answered' questions I'll have, I apologize in advance for them. First among
them though, so that I might start getting it all together,... Is there a
recommended supplier for the tooling? Clecos, Cleco pliers, sheet metal
snips, etc? Perhaps a GOOD kitted deal? Second, how is ZAC at providing the
odd part for us scratchbuilders? I will obviously be purchasing the plans,
and most likely the wing spars if I can get them separately. Do they charge
decent prices for individual pieces such as that or would one have to
purchase the entire kit that those pieces come in. Third, Many of these
questions probably could have been answered today had ZAC answered the
phone, but between 11:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. there was no answer and no
machine left in charge at the factory.. How are they in general with
customer service, especially regarding the above asked parts issue?
Thanks in advance, and thanks for all the helpful posts I've read so far,
you've got a good group of people here!
James "Dave" Schulist
mrlassiter@wirefreeme.net
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> I still have the 84" by 156" 4 wheel trailer that you can have!
Thank you Cy!
I hoped to find you at your hangar today and consider
how it might be configured. Didn't realize you had 84" deck width.
Let me know when you're gonna be there and I'll take a closer look at
it. Also, at your convenience, I'd appreciate you're critical eye and
3rd Designee Inspection on my 601. A safety checkout and paper to
support a better insurance rate and the FAA airworthiness inspect that
follows.
Thanks again,
Larry
Do not archive
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| Subject: | 601 flat plate area |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Sharp <stevensharp25@comcast.net>
Has anyone ever calculated the flat plate area of the 601, or know a
reference that would have this information?
Steve Sharp
stevensharp25@comcast.net
Knoxville, TN
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| Subject: | Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jensenm33@sbcglobal.net>
Larry, Look into a rental truck with a big box, safer move and not very
expensive.
Jerry Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry McFarland
Subject: Zenith-List: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi List,
Has anyone looked at the tow dolly type
car hauler design for moving their aircraft?
With an extended tongue and center ramp on it,
they look like the lightest thing you could build or modify.
CG could easily be a few inches forward of the axle.
The 601HDS has a 45"long x 74" spread that
would allow a Class I hitch and 1200 lb.GVW for
my 4-door Saturn or equal. The only thing beyond
would be a folding tail outrigger to carry lights back
to the tail and keep someone from running under the
rudder. Any history or thoughts?
Larry McFarland @ www.macsmachine.com
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Flaps & hinge pins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
There's about 18mm of play in the flaps on my XL (in other words, if you
manually grab the aft end of the flap and try to move it, it will move up
about 18mm). Is this about the same as other XL's out there, or is it too
much play? I know you can move the Cessnas' flaps by hand about the same
amount, but this plane is much lighter so I'm concerned about flutter
problems while in flight.
Also, how has everyone been installing their hinge pins, so that you can
remove them later if necessary? I'm aware of the methods used to stop the
pin from working its way out of the hinge, but unless you leave the pin
longer than needed (without bending the end), how would you get it out
again if need be?
Thanks,
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Flaps & hinge pins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 2/28/04 3:04 PM, "wizard-24@juno.com" <wizard-24@juno.com> wrote:
> Also, how has everyone been installing their hinge pins, so that you can
> remove them later if necessary? I'm aware of the methods used to stop the
> pin from working its way out of the hinge, but unless you leave the pin
> longer than needed (without bending the end), how would you get it out
> again if need be?
>
A hex wrench inserted into the end of the hinge works fine for pushing the
hinge rod out.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I'd be glad to do the inspection at your convenience. One of the benefits
as you are well aware of being retired. I
have been going to my hangar around noon as Nick and I go over to the lucky
8 for lunch most every day. But tomorrow can work as well. I'll need to get
my mirrors and inspection lights as it as intense as an annual.
We still will need to inspect it after the final assembly at the airport.
Remember Bernie is one of the very best Flight advisors in the country, CFI
plus being trained up at Oshkosh for test flying. The Chapter paid for the
first training session. I was there when he did the second workshop.
You should have my number in the Chapter 75 roster. I will give you my cell
number but not here as I don't think that it should go out over the WWW.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Transport trailer for Tri-gear 601
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> >
> > I still have the 84" by 156" 4 wheel trailer that you can have!
>
> Thank you Cy!
>
> I hoped to find you at your hangar today and consider
> how it might be configured. Didn't realize you had 84" deck width.
>
> Let me know when you're gonna be there and I'll take a closer look at
> it. Also, at your convenience, I'd appreciate you're critical eye and
> 3rd Designee Inspection on my 601. A safety checkout and paper to
> support a better insurance rate and the FAA airworthiness inspect that
> follows.
>
> Thanks again,
> Larry
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Flaps & hinge pins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 2/28/2004 4:10:52 PM Mountain Standard Time,
wizard-24@juno.com writes:
>
>
> There's about 18mm of play in the flaps on my XL (in other words, if you
> manually grab the aft end of the flap and try to move it, it will move up
> about 18mm). Is this about the same as other XL's out there, or is it too
> much play? I know you can move the Cessnas' flaps by hand about the same
> amount, but this plane is much lighter so I'm concerned about flutter
> problems while in flight.
>
> Also, how has everyone been installing their hinge pins, so that you can
> remove them later if necessary? I'm aware of the methods used to stop the
> pin from working its way out of the hinge, but unless you leave the pin
> longer than needed (without bending the end), how would you get it out
> again if need be?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Fortunato
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Flaps & hinge pins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 2/28/2004 4:10:52 PM Mountain Standard Time,
wizard-24@juno.com writes:
>
>
> There's about 18mm of play in the flaps on my XL (in other words, if you
> manually grab the aft end of the flap and try to move it, it will move up
> about 18mm). Is this about the same as other XL's out there, or is it too
> much play? I know you can move the Cessnas' flaps by hand about the same
> amount, but this plane is much lighter so I'm concerned about flutter
> problems while in flight.
>
> Also, how has everyone been installing their hinge pins, so that you can
> remove them later if necessary? I'm aware of the methods used to stop the
> pin from working its way out of the hinge, but unless you leave the pin
> longer than needed (without bending the end), how would you get it out
> again if need be?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Fortunato
>
18 mm is 3/4" of an inch !!!!!
Are you sure its not 1.8MM
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| Subject: | Inspection process in Ontario, Canada |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
For all of you building in Ontario:
I'm getting a little bit confused about the required inspection process
here - who to contact and what inspections are required. Is it mandatory
to use www.md-ra.com services? Thanks.
Jarek M. Walter
Ch 701
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| Subject: | Re: Hello: Ch-640 show of hands |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>>Are there any other 640 builders in full swing yet? I have ferretted out a
>>few web pages, but none have been updated much beyond the plans purchase
>>phase.
Yes, I am just about finished with my project, you can view my site at
http://www.madbbs.com/users/jpaden
Good luck with your CH-640, she is a nice solid aircraft!
Jeff Paden
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Flaps & hinge pins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> 18 mm is 3/4" of an inch !!!!!
>
> Are you sure its not 1.8MM
Yup, I'm sure. There's quite a bit of play, which is why I'm concerned.
Problem is, there's no way to get to the spot where the control rod mates
into the inner part of the flap (without taking the flaps off entirely,
which is not easy to do). Just wondering if others ended up with the same
situation, and if so what they did about it if anything.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder Intro |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
Jack...
I'm just about to get started on a 601 XL myself. I'm here in the heart of Chicago.
I live in a townhouse...32nd Street near the lake...about one mile south
of Meigs Field (may it rest in peace).
What caused you to back off the RV-6 and head toward the Zodiac XL?
I've been debating with myself between the RV-9A & the XL for a couple of years
now. The RV-9A would be so much more useful as a travelling machine, due to
its speed. I am leaning toward the XL just because I believe I can build it in
a smaller space and I think my neighbors would be unhappy with all the rivet-noise
of building an RV. I'm hoping to get started in a month or two. I'll
be building from a kit, and I hope to get it done in less than two years. By
the time I am ready for final assembly I'll probably move somewhere with more
room on the far south fringes of Chicagoland.
Where abouts in Chicago are you located?
Dan Vandenberg
"Jack K. Holley" <jkholley@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jack K. Holley"
Hi Listers:
Well, after a couple years of lurking on this list and the RV list - and a
false start on an RV6 - I have finally decided to build a 601XL.
I recently received the plans and riveter (thanks, Joe). I plan on scratch
building while purchasing some of the more complex parts from Zenith.
I would love to hear from any builders in the Chicago area, especially if
you wouldn't mind a visit or two to see your project.
Jack Holley
601XL - just getting started
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection process in Ontario, Canada |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi Jarek;
The short answer is YES if you are building it as a homebuilt. Notify them of your
intent to build it and you will have 2 inspections on route to getting flight
authority.
Mike
UHS Spinners
CH-601HDS C-FRND
"Jarek M. Walter" wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
>
> For all of you building in Ontario:
> I'm getting a little bit confused about the required inspection process
> here - who to contact and what inspections are required. Is it mandatory
> to use www.md-ra.com services? Thanks.
> Jarek M. Walter
> Ch 701
>
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| Subject: | Help needed with nose gear steering rods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Can anyone assist me on the subject of nose gear steering rods?
Today I connected my rudder cables and nose gear steering rods and then
lifted the nose gear off the ground to test my controls. I was VERY upset
to find out that it was VERY hard to move my rudder. This is because of the
design of the CH-640 nose gear. It sits in a V and is held down by the
bungee. Since the steering rods are solid rods the nose gear has to move to
move the rudder. It would be very difficult to use the rudder during flight
and I MUST find a way to change this.
I am looking for any source to purchase what I would call normal nose gear
steering rods, you know, the ones that have a spring in them so that in
flight the nose gear can stay forward and when the rudder is being used.
Then on the ground the weight of the engine will take the load off the V
that the strut sits in and the rods should then push the nose gear for
steering.
If anyone knows where I can purchase these steering rods PLEASE let me know.
Thank you
Jeff Paden
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| Subject: | Re: Help needed with nose gear steering rods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 2/28/2004 11:55:07 PM Mountain Standard Time,
jeffpaden@madbbs.com writes:
> on the subject of nose gear steering rods?
>
> Today I connected my rudder cables and nose gear steering rods and then
> lifted the nose gear off the ground to test my controls. I was VERY upset
> to find out that it was VERY hard to move my rudder. This is because of the
> design of the CH-640 nose gear. It sits in a V and is held down by the
> bungee. Since the steering rods are solid rods the nose gear has to move to
> move the rudder. It would be very difficult to use the rudder during flight
> and I MUST find a way to change this.
>
> I am looking for any source to purchase what I would call normal nose gear
> steering rods, you know, the ones that have a spring in them so that in
> flight the nose gear can stay forward and when the rudder is being used.
> Then on the ground the weight of the engine will take the load off the V
> that the strut sits in and the rods should then push the nose gear for
> steering.
>
> If anyone knows where I can purchase these steering rods PLEASE let me know.
>
> Thank you
>
> Jeff Paden
>
>
Hi Jeff. The 801 is the same design. All you need to do is make a seat for
the front gear out of flat stock and do not machine the V groove in it. That
will take all the centering effect out of it. The real problem with the 801 is..
One adjusts the tension of the rudder cables with the nose gear in the full up
position. Now that my engine is in place the nose gear is slightly off its
seat, maybe 3/32" or so. My rudder cables now have a TON of slack in them. I am
concerned that with a firm landing I will loose directional control cause the
rudder will not be effective at all. I would call Nick but the answer will be
" just fly it". The geometry of this steering set up must be flawed. The more
the front gear compresses the more slack you get. I am thinking of adding some
bungees in the tail to keep most of the slack out of the cables. Have any of
you 601 /701 builders run into this same problem?? If so how did ya deal with
it. There are a few pics of my plane on Jons web site www.CH701.com. I
have to warn ya, if you don't think a V-8 all aluminum Ford belongs in a plane
ya
better not look at pics 2 & 3..
Ben Haas N801BH.
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| Subject: | Re: Help needed with nose gear steering rods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 2/29/2004 12:12:20 AM Mountain Standard Time,
Benford2@aol.com writes:
> cables with the nose gear in the full up
> position. Now that my engine is in place the nose
Make that the full DOWN position.. Opps.
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