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1. 12:21 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: Worktable (John Flavin)
3. 05:00 AM - Re: Yarde Metals (david@davidwitt.com)
4. 07:06 AM - Tables (John Lifer, Jr.)
5. 07:36 AM - Re: 701 Work Table (Jack Russell)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: Tables (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
7. 08:02 AM - Re: RUDDER KIT (Michial Pedri)
8. 08:03 AM - Re: RUDDER KIT (Michial Pedri)
9. 08:51 AM - Re: Help needed with nose gear steering rods (DEGlass1@aol.com)
10. 09:06 AM - Re: Worktable (nhulin)
11. 12:54 PM - Re: New Builder Info (Flydog1966@aol.com)
12. 02:35 PM - building tables (bruce thomas)
13. 04:18 PM - Re: Tables (ronnie wehba)
14. 05:44 PM - Re: building tables (jnbolding1)
15. 06:12 PM - 912 ul & VDO gages. Again! (Mike Sinclair)
16. 06:26 PM - Re: 912 ul & VDO gages. Again! (Mick)
17. 07:19 PM - Re: halogen landing/taxi lights (John M. Goodings)
18. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: 912 ul & VDO gages. Again! ()
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Flavin" <jflavin@intrex.net>
Absolutely right! My reference to 8' bench length was a typo--12' is just right.
I don't want to leave anybody who has only an 8' bench with the false hope
that they can pull it off with just that. Time spent in getting the bench
right before you start is a very good investment, as is proofreading before hitting
the "send" button...
John Flavin
I would strongly recommend that the worktable be 4' x 12' and not 4 x 8'.
The
701 wing is 12' long and support is needed along its entire length during
construction.
The premanufactured home building products such as joists or microlams
(heavy) are good products for the frame on which the table surface will rest.
These projects are absolutely flat which is not true for say 2" x 12" x 12'
lumber. This is a pretty important item. Hap Schoenberger 701 right wing
finished yesterday!
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| Subject: | Re: Yarde Metals |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: david@davidwitt.com
I'm in Canada the CT office of Yarde quoted me in the $40.00~ range for the
same sheet. This was back at the begining of February. When I contacted them
last week they told me aluminum was going up in price and if I didn't order by
the end of the week the price would be higher. Aluminum is a commodity and
the price fluctuates with the market. I'm still shopping.
Dave Witt
601XL plansbuilder
making forming blocks for rudder
> I saw in the archives where a few people have gotten good deals on
> Aluminum from
> Yarde Metals ($28USD for .016 4'x12'). I contacted Yarde Metals North
> Carolina
> office (close to me in Nashville) and was quoted $62.40 for the same
> sheet.
> What gives? Does price depend on location? I think at least one of the
> guys
> was in Canada. Can I order from Canada and get it at about $28USD and
> have it
> shipped to here? Anyone have any insight on this?
>
> Kevin Bonds
> Nashville Tn
> 601XL plansbuilder; rudder complete;97.3% to go!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Lifer, Jr." <jliferjr@yahoo.com>
I would suggest, that instead of using expensive
plywood or cheap particle board (Which isn't
flat) to build your tables, find MDF board. It
is a man-made material that is dead flat,
waterproof and won't give you splinters. Buy two
sheets of 1/2" and laminate together to give you
1" thick table. You won't be disappointed and
you'll save a bunch of money.
John
__________________________________
http://search.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Work Table |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Joe: I would like to see the table. Jack
Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
E mail me off list and I will E mail pics of the caster gussets and the pony
clamp levelers
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Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Waterproof?....I thought MDF soaked up water like a sponge?
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lifer, Jr.
Subject: Zenith-List: Tables
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Lifer, Jr."
--> <jliferjr@yahoo.com>
I would suggest, that instead of using expensive
plywood or cheap particle board (Which isn't
flat) to build your tables, find MDF board. It
is a man-made material that is dead flat,
waterproof and won't give you splinters. Buy two
sheets of 1/2" and laminate together to give you
1" thick table. You won't be disappointed and
you'll save a bunch of money.
John
__________________________________
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advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michial Pedri <pedfly60@yahoo.com>
I offer $200.00 for the kit. My name is mike pedri, Beckley, WV 304-228-6795
Joe Proctor <pjoe2@qwest.net> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor"
Hi all
I have a 601 XL Rudder Kit available for sale. Still in the box with all
the Parts and Manual included. You pay shipping from Portland OR. Best
Offer.
Joe Proctor
pjoe2@qwest.net
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michial Pedri <pedfly60@yahoo.com>
I offer $200.00 for the kit. My name is mike pedri, Beckley, WV 304-228-6795
Joe Proctor <pjoe2@qwest.net> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor"
Hi all
I have a 601 XL Rudder Kit available for sale. Still in the box with all
the Parts and Manual included. You pay shipping from Portland OR. Best
Offer.
Joe Proctor
pjoe2@qwest.net
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| Subject: | Re: Help needed with nose gear steering rods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: DEGlass1@aol.com
What's the friction level for the pushrods passing through your firewall? In a
mockup (I'm not that far yet) with my finished firewall, I found quite a bit
of friction from the threaded rod passing through the baffle material. So I plan
to have black hi-temp shrink tubing on the threads to reduce the friction.
By the way, the roll of baffle material from Aircraft spruce has about 23 ft
left, after using only a foot for the firewall. If you want to save $25 when
building your firewall, I'll cut off enough and mail it to you, if you send me
an SASE. Contact me off-board, if you're interested.
David Glass
XL Fuselage/Controls/Gear partner
Firewall, cabin, rear fuse joined
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
When constructing your work table don't overlook the use of 2" x 6" x 12'
20ga steel studs. I purchased mine in Cincinnati for around $5 - $6 each.
These are very common in construction, are rolled, and are very true. My
table is constructed using six 12' lengths joined to make three box sections
and one 8' length cut in half as a transverse support under each end of the
box sections. It's harder to describe than to do. I have some photos
somewhere. Email me off-list if you want me to send them or if you want any
more details. Put "Zenith list" or something similar in the subject or your
emails won't get through my filtering. The table top is 3/4" MDF which is
dimensionally stable regardless of season and temperature (i.e., it won't
dry out and warp).
Regards, ...neil
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair
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Email certified virus free when sent from original author.
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| Subject: | Re: New Builder Info |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
In a message dated 3/1/04 10:06:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, earthloc@att.net
writes:
<<
Thanks, the lacquer thinner works, but ass-a-tone works better and is not
hard on your hands. You can find all you cuts with either one. Wal-Mart >>
Actually, Acetone IS hard on your hands! Something about "de-fatting"
and excezma (No- I could'nt find the spelling in the dikshunairy), and
"target organs"
Wear gloves.
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bruce thomas" <bvthomas@bigpond.com>
Reply to John Flavin and other table builders.
FLAT is important but NO TWIST is more important IMHO, try this.
Attach a piece of nylon fishing line or similar from corner to corner, stretch
it fairly tight, then place a spacer under each corner, say 3/4" or 1" high.
Now shim the corner legs to get the two nylon lines to just touch in the middle,
then you have a table with no twist.
Also I think a 12ft x 4ft is the better size.
Regards from down under
Bruce Thomas 701 flying
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required 5, BAYES_00, NO_DISAPPOINTMENT)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
or use tripan about the same thing but about 1/2 as heavy!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lifer, Jr." <jliferjr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Tables
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Lifer, Jr." <jliferjr@yahoo.com>
>
> I would suggest, that instead of using expensive
> plywood or cheap particle board (Which isn't
> flat) to build your tables, find MDF board. It
> is a man-made material that is dead flat,
> waterproof and won't give you splinters. Buy two
> sheets of 1/2" and laminate together to give you
> 1" thick table. You won't be disappointed and
> you'll save a bunch of money.
> John
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: building tables |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "bruce thomas" <bvthomas@bigpond.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "bruce thomas" <bvthomas@bigpond.com>
>
>Reply to John Flavin and other table builders.
>
>FLAT is important but NO TWIST is more important IMHO, try this.
>
>Attach a piece of nylon fishing line or similar from corner to corner, stretch
>it fairly tight, then place a spacer under each corner, say 3/4" or 1" high.
>Now shim the corner legs to get the two nylon lines to just touch in the middle,
then you have a table with no twist.
>
Every now and then a real GEM comes along, thank you Bruce !! LOW&SLOW John
Bolding
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| Subject: | 912 ul & VDO gages. Again! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Would like to pick you guys brains again,
Once again the creeping doubt has jumped up. I wired my gages using 20ga. wire,
then
got to wondering if possibly this was too large (or possibly too small, but I really
suspect that's not the case). And if so, what effect will it have on the readings
coming
from the sensors.
Secondly, for the oil pres, temp, & water temp I am getting power from my essential
fuse block. What amp fuse (or circuit breaker) needs to be ahead of this system?
I
searched on the archives and didn't find anything on wire size or fuses (or circuit
breakers) for this set up.
Once again, all replies, suggestions &/or comments appreciated.
Mike Sinclair
701, hoping to maybe apply power this weekend to make sure all lights come on,
radio
transmits and receives, trim servo goes up & down, motor will turn over, etc.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ul & VDO gages. Again! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mick <mickrobertss@yahoo.com>
The book "Aeroelectric Connection" from www.buildersbooks.com is supposed to be the bible on this. I don't know, I don't have it yet. It's backordered. 20 Gauge seems okay for the tiny amp draw of a gage.
Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Mike Sinclair
Would like to pick you guys brains again,
Once again the creeping doubt has jumped up. I wired my gages using 20ga. wire,
then
got to wondering if possibly this was too large (or possibly too small, but I really
suspect that's not the case). And if so, what effect will it have on the readings
coming
from the sensors.
Secondly, for the oil pres, temp, & water temp I am getting power from my essential
fuse block. What amp fuse (or circuit breaker) needs to be ahead of this system?
I
searched on the archives and didn't find anything on wire size or fuses (or circuit
breakers) for this set up.
Once again, all replies, suggestions &/or comments appreciated.
Mike Sinclair
701, hoping to maybe apply power this weekend to make sure all lights come on,
radio
transmits and receives, trim servo goes up & down, motor will turn over, etc.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: halogen landing/taxi lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
The halogen 50W replacement bulbs I referred to previously come in a cubic
box with the following information on it: "H-7604 SPOT, AUTO, 12-VOLTS,
by WAGNER, Sealed Beam, Off Road Lighting (aviation, auxiliary,
motorcycle, construction equipment, farm equipment), Cooper Industries,
Wagner Lighting Division, 922 Roosevelt Parkway, Chesterfield, MO 63017."
We picked them up in an after-market automobile parts store in Toronto.
[They replaced "13V, 100W, GE 4509 Aircraft Landing lights, not for
highway use".] Both bulbs are exactly the same size (4 1/4" diameter)
with two slotted brass screw connections. The halogen 50W bulbs were
cheaper. We have two, in the leading edge near each wingtip of our 601
HD, with independent switches so that one or both or none may be used
depending on other electrical power requirements.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ul & VDO gages. Again! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
You should also join the aeroelectic email list. It is also on the Matronic list.
Jerry Latimer
do not archive
>
> From: Mick <mickrobertss@yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:26:36 -0800 (PST)
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 ul & VDO gages. Again!
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mick <mickrobertss@yahoo.com>
>
> The book "Aeroelectric Connection" from www.buildersbooks.com is supposed to be the bible on this. I don't know, I don't have it yet. It's backordered. 20 Gauge seems okay for the tiny amp draw of a gage.
>
> Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Mike Sinclair
>
> Would like to pick you guys brains again,
>
> Once again the creeping doubt has jumped up. I wired my gages using 20ga. wire,
then
> got to wondering if possibly this was too large (or possibly too small, but I
really
> suspect that's not the case). And if so, what effect will it have on the readings
coming
> from the sensors.
>
> Secondly, for the oil pres, temp, & water temp I am getting power from my essential
> fuse block. What amp fuse (or circuit breaker) needs to be ahead of this system?
I
> searched on the archives and didn't find anything on wire size or fuses (or circuit
> breakers) for this set up.
>
> Once again, all replies, suggestions &/or comments appreciated.
>
> Mike Sinclair
> 701, hoping to maybe apply power this weekend to make sure all lights come on,
radio
> transmits and receives, trim servo goes up & down, motor will turn over, etc.
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
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