Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:06 AM - Tygon Tubing (Phil Raker)
2. 06:11 AM - Strobe Power Supply under seats (Scott Laughlin)
3. 06:45 AM - Re:Building from sub assemblies (Gig)
4. 07:00 AM - Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats (Michel Therrien)
5. 07:23 AM - Re: Alternator (Larry Martin)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: Tygon Tubing (Larry Martin)
7. 07:23 AM - Re: Alternator (Larry Martin)
8. 07:29 AM - Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats (Larry Martin)
9. 07:38 AM - Re: Alternator (Aaron)
10. 08:10 AM - Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats (Thomas F Marson)
11. 12:55 PM - Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
12. 01:14 PM - Re: ch mini-z (Weston, Jim)
13. 02:24 PM - Re: ch mini-z (Jim and Lucy)
14. 03:38 PM - 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount (victor verdev)
15. 04:19 PM - Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Rick)
16. 04:30 PM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Rick)
17. 05:48 PM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (David Tellet)
18. 06:23 PM - Re: 601XL Dual stick order (Ray Montagne)
19. 06:48 PM - Re: 601XL Dual stick order (Bill Howerton)
20. 09:47 PM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Rick)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
There is another Tygon-like tube which is made specifically for gasoline ans is
not affected by alcohol or other additives used in auto-gas, although not the
Tygon brand. It's the pale blue (almost clear) hose from Bing. It's used on
many ultralight engine installations and is available from Aircraft Spruce and
several other sources. The Bing tubing doesn't seem to deteriorate after years
of exposure to mo-gas and/or sunlight. You can even see a float ball thru it -
makes a sight gauge even better. Good stuff.
Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus
Still have brakes, electrical, fuel, & IP to go, before flight.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
> John et al,
> There is a specific Tygon tubing for gasoline. It is a yellowish colour. I
> put it in as the sight gauge tube after the original Zenair tube decayed and
> emptied my fuel tank after three years. The correct Tygon is still plyable
> and uncracked after eight more years.
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Strobe Power Supply under seats |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Bryan:
Have you tested the strobes to see if they are very noisy? I was told one
reason they are in the wings is because they are loud when operating.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | re:Building from sub assemblies |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
I'm building a 601XL From kit and have been purchasing the sub
assemblies for the same reason you are considering it. The only place it
really costs that much more is the freight.
I started by building the Rudder are the factory workshop in October of
2002 and finished the second wing this weekend. The Fuselage is on the
truck somewhere between Mexico MO and here as I write.
You can see my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR if you have any
questions I'll be happy to try and answer them.
GigG
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I sat in my plane yesterday with the engine running...
I don't think the noise from the strobe unit will be
perceptible! (mine is behind the passenger seat).
Michel
--- Scott Laughlin <cookwithgas@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
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> Bryan:
>
> Have you tested the strobes to see if they are very
> noisy? I was told one
> reason they are in the wings is because they are
> loud when operating.
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Serpentine, I just couldn't spell it.
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From: <Benford2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alternator
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/7/2004 8:50:11 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> earthloc@att.net writes:
>
>
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
> >
> > What is the smallest, lightest weight alternator I can use on a Subaru
> > engine? What kind of car does it come out of? I think it's out of a
Toyota. But
> > I'm not sure of year or model. Must be a 4 or 5 grooved pulley. I'm
not
> > concerned about brackets, I build my own.
> >
> >
>
> I am running a one wire East Cost Alternator on my engine. it is light
and
> very robust. 60 amps I think. You can see pics of it mounted on my motor
at
> CH701.com As for the 4-5 grooved pulley. Are ya talking about a serpetine
groove
> or do you need 4-5 V belts??
>
> Ben Haas. n801BH
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tygon Tubing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
I used the blue Bing on my gyro sight glass and it hardened and turned a
little yellow in about a year. It was still functional, but I didn't like
it. For any application other that sight glass I recommend and use a high
pressure fuel line, made for injector systems, from NAPA. It has a covering
and cost about $3 a foot. I used 5/16, I guess they have it in other sizes.
That what they use on almost all fuel injected auto engines and they never
seem to go bad.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Raker" <phadr1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Tygon Tubing
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
>
> There is another Tygon-like tube which is made specifically for gasoline
ans is
> not affected by alcohol or other additives used in auto-gas, although not
the
> Tygon brand. It's the pale blue (almost clear) hose from Bing. It's used
on
> many ultralight engine installations and is available from Aircraft Spruce
and
> several other sources. The Bing tubing doesn't seem to deteriorate after
years
> of exposure to mo-gas and/or sunlight. You can even see a float ball thru
it -
> makes a sight gauge even better. Good stuff.
>
> Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus
> Still have brakes, electrical, fuel, & IP to go, before flight.
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> > John et al,
> > There is a specific Tygon tubing for gasoline. It is a yellowish
colour. I
> > put it in as the sight gauge tube after the original Zenair tube decayed
and
> > emptied my fuel tank after three years. The correct Tygon is still
plyable
> > and uncracked after eight more years.
> > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Boy, that's small. However, I think I would like more than 20 amps and I
want an internal regulator. I will be using a dual battery system. I was
thinking around 50-60 amps. But thanks anyway, Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Lucy" <jpollard@mnsi.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alternator
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
>
> At 09:48 PM 3/7/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
> >
> >What is the smallest, lightest weight alternator I can use on a Subaru
> >engine? What kind of car does it come out of? I think it's out of a
> >Toyota. But I'm not sure of year or model. Must be a 4 or 5 grooved
> >pulley. I'm not concerned about brackets, I build my own.
> >
> >
> >---
>
>
> Here is about the smallest one available
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/dynamo.html
>
>
> Guess it depends on how much power you need.
>
>
> Jim Pollard
> Merlin Ont.
> ch601hds
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
I had them behind the seats in my gyro and they interfered with the intercom
and radio. I ended up putting two inline 20 amp filters, one to the radio
and one to the intercom. I would guess the wing location would be best
because of the interference they could create.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe Power Supply under seats
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Bryan:
>
> Have you tested the strobes to see if they are very noisy? I was told one
> reason they are in the wings is because they are loud when operating.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
I went the junk yard route. Got a Nippon Denso from a 75-79 Honda civic.
Same one is on a newer Sprint, Spectrum, or Suzuki Samurai. I replaced the
pulley with a larger one from a pollution air pump. It fits right on w/o
mod. About a $40 outlay.
Aaron
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
>
> What is the smallest, lightest weight alternator I can use on a Subaru
engine?
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
I have had mine working on the workbench right next to the AM radio and the
FM radio and they did nothing to the radio. I did install Sheilded wires in
the wing anyway at a little extra cost. Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe Power Supply under seats
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Bryan:
>
> Have you tested the strobes to see if they are very noisy? I was told one
> reason they are in the wings is because they are loud when operating.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I have tested the strobes and they do make a high pitched whine when operating
but I don't think they're loud enough to be heard over the other sounds that will
be present in flight. The units are under the seats and with the seat cushions
and other insulation around that area, not much sound will get out anyway.
As far as induced noise in the audio circuits, that remains to be seen. It should
be easy to add additional shielding if necessary.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Bryan:
>
> Have you tested the strobes to see if they are very noisy? I was told one
> reason they are in the wings is because they are loud when operating.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
You haven't seen a mini until you've seen his Cri-Cri .aka. Cricket.
Here is a good website http://home.comcast.net/~cricri-plane/index.html
Jim Weston
Concord, Ga.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronnie
wehba
Subject: Zenith-List: ch mini-z
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
anyone know of a website about the early models such as the ch-50
mini-z,ch 100 mono-z ect?
==
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
At 10:27 AM 3/7/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
>anyone know of a website about the early models such as the ch-50
>mini-z,ch 100 mono-z ect?
I got some old zenith sales literature I can scan and send to you if
that is the type of info you could use.
Jim Pollard
ch601hds
putting tank in second wing
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| Subject: | 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev <vjvus@yahoo.com>
I'm looking for A 0-235 Lyc. Dynafocal engine mount
for A 601XL. Or if someone will build one from ZAC
print. Please contact Vic at vjvus@yahoo.com
Thanks
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| Subject: | Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
They say a pitcher's worth a thousand words, so here's a picture of the
numbers I'm getting with the ZodiacHD/Jabiru3300 at 10 hours into the
flight test time :
ftp://lightflyer@lightflyers.com/httpdocs/cruise2.jpg
The EIS readout is
(top row) 2960 RPM, 9.9 total hours, cyl #5 is hottest at 341 degrees
(bottom row) Oil =232 degrees/61 PSI, volts= 14.4, highest EGT=1331
These numbers were taken after leveling off from a full throttle
climbout.
The RPM's are still a little lower than I expected, but they're still
coming up. The CHT's are a little higher than I want to see, but they're
well within limits after a little baffle work during the 5 hour
retorque/valve adjustment. EGT's run 1200 to 1400 most of the time, but
peak out around 1475 during full throttle climbout.
Indicated airspeed is just under 130 MPH at 2960 RPM. I'm hoping for
higher RPM's as the engine breaks in. The GPS in the pic shows a
groundspeed of 143 MPH with the 15 MPH tailwind this morning. I think
I'll actually be able to GO somewhere in this plane! :)
The left wing is a little "heavy", needing full right aileron trim for
hands-off flight unless there's a couple hundred pounds of ballast in
the right seat. With the right seat ballast in place, it's not so bad,
but still needs some right trim to fly hands-off.
So I'd like to hear comments.
Are other Jabiru owners seeing similar numbers? Any hints or
suggestions?
How about Zodiac HD flyers, comments? Problems to watch out for?
Back in the air and loving it,
Rick P.
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Ooopps, the URL should be :
http://www.lightflyers.com/cruise2.jpg
Rick P.
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet <telletdl@erols.com>
Rick,
Is this an HD or an HDS? If the former, you must have the fastest
one around. Any secrets? Fairings?
David Tellet, 601HD, ~50% done
snip
>
> Indicated airspeed is just under 130 MPH at 2960 RPM. I'm hoping for
> higher RPM's as the engine breaks in. The GPS in the pic shows a
> groundspeed of 143 MPH with the 15 MPH tailwind this morning. I think
> I'll actually be able to GO somewhere in this plane! :)
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Dual stick order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 1/10/04 3:21 PM, "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>
> Has anyone else ordered the dual-stick option for their 601XL?
>
For those waiting for dual stick options, here's some snippets from
correspondence with ZAC:
7 March 2004:
Ray,
The order will ship tomorrow or next week. They are working on 17
orders and not sure who is first. Thanks for waiting. Shirley
> On 1/5/04 1:22 PM, "Zenith Aircraft Company" <info@zenithair.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Ray,
> > Believe that the dual stick option is to be available in a couple
> > of weeks. Thanks for waiting and sorry that it has taken so long.
> > Shirley Zenith Aircraft Company info@zenithair.com
> > http://www.zenithair.com
> >
> > (573) 581-9000 (Mon-Fri, 8-5 Central)
> > (573) 581-0011 Fax
> >
> > Write us at:
> > Zenith Aircraft Company
> > Mexico Memorial Airport, PO Box 650
> > Mexico, Missouri 65265-0650 USA
> >
>
> Hi Shirley,
>
> Is there any update on the delivery of the dual stick option?
>
> Best regards, Ray Montagne
> Cupertino, CA
Just checked the UPS tracking web page and am expecting delivery tomorrow!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Dual stick order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
As an update - my dual stick finally arrived over the weekend. Total time
on backorder: 6 months
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Montagne" <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Dual stick order
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
>
> On 1/10/04 3:21 PM, "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
> >
> > Has anyone else ordered the dual-stick option for their 601XL?
> >
>
> For those waiting for dual stick options, here's some snippets from
> correspondence with ZAC:
>
> 7 March 2004:
>
> Ray,
> The order will ship tomorrow or next week. They are working on 17
> orders and not sure who is first. Thanks for waiting. Shirley
>
> > On 1/5/04 1:22 PM, "Zenith Aircraft Company" <info@zenithair.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ray,
> > > Believe that the dual stick option is to be available in a couple
> > > of weeks. Thanks for waiting and sorry that it has taken so long.
> > > Shirley Zenith Aircraft Company info@zenithair.com
> > > http://www.zenithair.com
> > >
> > > (573) 581-9000 (Mon-Fri, 8-5 Central)
> > > (573) 581-0011 Fax
> > >
> > > Write us at:
> > > Zenith Aircraft Company
> > > Mexico Memorial Airport, PO Box 650
> > > Mexico, Missouri 65265-0650 USA
> > >
> >
> > Hi Shirley,
> >
> > Is there any update on the delivery of the dual stick option?
> >
> > Best regards, Ray Montagne
> > Cupertino, CA
>
>
> Just checked the UPS tracking web page and am expecting delivery tomorrow!
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Best Regards, Ray Montagne
> Cupertino, CA
>
>
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>
> Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
David Tellet wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet <telletdl@erols.com>
>
> Rick,
>
> Is this an HD or an HDS? If the former, you must have the fastest
> one around. Any secrets? Fairings?
It's an HD. No fairings yet, but I'll probably add some wheel pants and fair
in some of the draggy stuff like the entry steps and bungee-box on the main
gears. The Zenith website http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/601-hd.html shows a
top speed of 135 MPH for a 570 pound HD with the 80 horse Rotax. Mine has
considerably more power with the 120 horse Jabiru, but she's considerably
heavier too at 686 pounds empty weight.
No complaints about the speed, but I'd sure like to get some more RPM's from
the Jabiru. It's already improved by a couple hundred RPM's since the first
flight, maybe she'll go up a little more as it breaks in.
Happy Zodiac driver,
Rick P.
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