---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/08/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:06 AM - Tygon Tubing (Phil Raker) 2. 06:11 AM - Strobe Power Supply under seats (Scott Laughlin) 3. 06:45 AM - Re:Building from sub assemblies (Gig) 4. 07:00 AM - Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats (Michel Therrien) 5. 07:23 AM - Re: Alternator (Larry Martin) 6. 07:23 AM - Re: Tygon Tubing (Larry Martin) 7. 07:23 AM - Re: Alternator (Larry Martin) 8. 07:29 AM - Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats (Larry Martin) 9. 07:38 AM - Re: Alternator (Aaron) 10. 08:10 AM - Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats (Thomas F Marson) 11. 12:55 PM - Re: Strobe Power Supply under seats (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 12. 01:14 PM - Re: ch mini-z (Weston, Jim) 13. 02:24 PM - Re: ch mini-z (Jim and Lucy) 14. 03:38 PM - 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount (victor verdev) 15. 04:19 PM - Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Rick) 16. 04:30 PM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Rick) 17. 05:48 PM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (David Tellet) 18. 06:23 PM - Re: 601XL Dual stick order (Ray Montagne) 19. 06:48 PM - Re: 601XL Dual stick order (Bill Howerton) 20. 09:47 PM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Rick) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:15 AM PST US From: Phil Raker Subject: Zenith-List: Tygon Tubing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker There is another Tygon-like tube which is made specifically for gasoline ans is not affected by alcohol or other additives used in auto-gas, although not the Tygon brand. It's the pale blue (almost clear) hose from Bing. It's used on many ultralight engine installations and is available from Aircraft Spruce and several other sources. The Bing tubing doesn't seem to deteriorate after years of exposure to mo-gas and/or sunlight. You can even see a float ball thru it - makes a sight gauge even better. Good stuff. Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus Still have brakes, electrical, fuel, & IP to go, before flight. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" > John et al, > There is a specific Tygon tubing for gasoline. It is a yellowish colour. I > put it in as the sight gauge tube after the original Zenair tube decayed and > emptied my fuel tank after three years. The correct Tygon is still plyable > and uncracked after eight more years. > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:37 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe Power Supply under seats --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Bryan: Have you tested the strobes to see if they are very noisy? I was told one reason they are in the wings is because they are loud when operating. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:39 AM PST US From: Gig Subject: Zenith-List: re:Building from sub assemblies --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig I'm building a 601XL From kit and have been purchasing the sub assemblies for the same reason you are considering it. The only place it really costs that much more is the freight. I started by building the Rudder are the factory workshop in October of 2002 and finished the second wing this weekend. The Fuselage is on the truck somewhere between Mexico MO and here as I write. You can see my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR if you have any questions I'll be happy to try and answer them. GigG ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:26 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strobe Power Supply under seats --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien I sat in my plane yesterday with the engine running... I don't think the noise from the strobe unit will be perceptible! (mine is behind the passenger seat). Michel --- Scott Laughlin wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > > > Bryan: > > Have you tested the strobes to see if they are very > noisy? I was told one > reason they are in the wings is because they are > loud when operating. > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > > Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet > access for as low as > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:48 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alternator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Serpentine, I just couldn't spell it. Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alternator > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com > > In a message dated 3/7/2004 8:50:11 PM Mountain Standard Time, > earthloc@att.net writes: > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > > > What is the smallest, lightest weight alternator I can use on a Subaru > > engine? What kind of car does it come out of? I think it's out of a Toyota. But > > I'm not sure of year or model. Must be a 4 or 5 grooved pulley. I'm not > > concerned about brackets, I build my own. > > > > > > I am running a one wire East Cost Alternator on my engine. it is light and > very robust. 60 amps I think. You can see pics of it mounted on my motor at > CH701.com As for the 4-5 grooved pulley. Are ya talking about a serpetine groove > or do you need 4-5 V belts?? > > Ben Haas. n801BH > > --- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:48 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tygon Tubing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" I used the blue Bing on my gyro sight glass and it hardened and turned a little yellow in about a year. It was still functional, but I didn't like it. For any application other that sight glass I recommend and use a high pressure fuel line, made for injector systems, from NAPA. It has a covering and cost about $3 a foot. I used 5/16, I guess they have it in other sizes. That what they use on almost all fuel injected auto engines and they never seem to go bad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Raker" Subject: Zenith-List: Tygon Tubing > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker > > There is another Tygon-like tube which is made specifically for gasoline ans is > not affected by alcohol or other additives used in auto-gas, although not the > Tygon brand. It's the pale blue (almost clear) hose from Bing. It's used on > many ultralight engine installations and is available from Aircraft Spruce and > several other sources. The Bing tubing doesn't seem to deteriorate after years > of exposure to mo-gas and/or sunlight. You can even see a float ball thru it - > makes a sight gauge even better. Good stuff. > > Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus > Still have brakes, electrical, fuel, & IP to go, before flight. > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" > > > John et al, > > There is a specific Tygon tubing for gasoline. It is a yellowish colour. I > > put it in as the sight gauge tube after the original Zenair tube decayed and > > emptied my fuel tank after three years. The correct Tygon is still plyable > > and uncracked after eight more years. > > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 > > > __________________________________ > http://search.yahoo.com > > --- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:48 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alternator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Boy, that's small. However, I think I would like more than 20 amps and I want an internal regulator. I will be using a dual battery system. I was thinking around 50-60 amps. But thanks anyway, Larry Do not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Lucy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alternator > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy > > At 09:48 PM 3/7/2004 -0600, you wrote: > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > > >What is the smallest, lightest weight alternator I can use on a Subaru > >engine? What kind of car does it come out of? I think it's out of a > >Toyota. But I'm not sure of year or model. Must be a 4 or 5 grooved > >pulley. I'm not concerned about brackets, I build my own. > > > > > >--- > > > Here is about the smallest one available > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/dynamo.html > > > Guess it depends on how much power you need. > > > Jim Pollard > Merlin Ont. > ch601hds > > --- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:56 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strobe Power Supply under seats --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" I had them behind the seats in my gyro and they interfered with the intercom and radio. I ended up putting two inline 20 amp filters, one to the radio and one to the intercom. I would guess the wing location would be best because of the interference they could create. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe Power Supply under seats > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > > Bryan: > > Have you tested the strobes to see if they are very noisy? I was told one > reason they are in the wings is because they are loud when operating. > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > > Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as > > --- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:14 AM PST US From: "Aaron" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alternator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" I went the junk yard route. Got a Nippon Denso from a 75-79 Honda civic. Same one is on a newer Sprint, Spectrum, or Suzuki Samurai. I replaced the pulley with a larger one from a pollution air pump. It fits right on w/o mod. About a $40 outlay. Aaron > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > What is the smallest, lightest weight alternator I can use on a Subaru engine? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:22 AM PST US From: "Thomas F Marson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strobe Power Supply under seats --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" I have had mine working on the workbench right next to the AM radio and the FM radio and they did nothing to the radio. I did install Sheilded wires in the wing anyway at a little extra cost. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe Power Supply under seats > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > > Bryan: > > Have you tested the strobes to see if they are very noisy? I was told one > reason they are in the wings is because they are loud when operating. > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > > Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:55 PM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Strobe Power Supply under seats --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net I have tested the strobes and they do make a high pitched whine when operating but I don't think they're loud enough to be heard over the other sounds that will be present in flight. The units are under the seats and with the seat cushions and other insulation around that area, not much sound will get out anyway. As far as induced noise in the audio circuits, that remains to be seen. It should be easy to add additional shielding if necessary. Bryan Martin > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > > Bryan: > > Have you tested the strobes to see if they are very noisy? I was told one > reason they are in the wings is because they are loud when operating. > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > > Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:32 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: ch mini-z From: "Weston, Jim" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" You haven't seen a mini until you've seen his Cri-Cri .aka. Cricket. Here is a good website http://home.comcast.net/~cricri-plane/index.html Jim Weston Concord, Ga. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronnie wehba Subject: Zenith-List: ch mini-z --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" anyone know of a website about the early models such as the ch-50 mini-z,ch 100 mono-z ect? == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:03 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch mini-z --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy At 10:27 AM 3/7/2004 -0600, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" > >anyone know of a website about the early models such as the ch-50 >mini-z,ch 100 mono-z ect? I got some old zenith sales literature I can scan and send to you if that is the type of info you could use. Jim Pollard ch601hds putting tank in second wing ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:14 PM PST US From: victor verdev Subject: Zenith-List: 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount --> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev I'm looking for A 0-235 Lyc. Dynafocal engine mount for A 601XL. Or if someone will build one from ZAC print. Please contact Vic at vjvus@yahoo.com Thanks __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:59 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick They say a pitcher's worth a thousand words, so here's a picture of the numbers I'm getting with the ZodiacHD/Jabiru3300 at 10 hours into the flight test time : ftp://lightflyer@lightflyers.com/httpdocs/cruise2.jpg The EIS readout is (top row) 2960 RPM, 9.9 total hours, cyl #5 is hottest at 341 degrees (bottom row) Oil =232 degrees/61 PSI, volts= 14.4, highest EGT=1331 These numbers were taken after leveling off from a full throttle climbout. The RPM's are still a little lower than I expected, but they're still coming up. The CHT's are a little higher than I want to see, but they're well within limits after a little baffle work during the 5 hour retorque/valve adjustment. EGT's run 1200 to 1400 most of the time, but peak out around 1475 during full throttle climbout. Indicated airspeed is just under 130 MPH at 2960 RPM. I'm hoping for higher RPM's as the engine breaks in. The GPS in the pic shows a groundspeed of 143 MPH with the 15 MPH tailwind this morning. I think I'll actually be able to GO somewhere in this plane! :) The left wing is a little "heavy", needing full right aileron trim for hands-off flight unless there's a couple hundred pounds of ballast in the right seat. With the right seat ballast in place, it's not so bad, but still needs some right trim to fly hands-off. So I'd like to hear comments. Are other Jabiru owners seeing similar numbers? Any hints or suggestions? How about Zodiac HD flyers, comments? Problems to watch out for? Back in the air and loving it, Rick P. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:12 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Ooopps, the URL should be : http://www.lightflyers.com/cruise2.jpg Rick P. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:10 PM PST US From: David Tellet Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet Rick, Is this an HD or an HDS? If the former, you must have the fastest one around. Any secrets? Fairings? David Tellet, 601HD, ~50% done snip > > Indicated airspeed is just under 130 MPH at 2960 RPM. I'm hoping for > higher RPM's as the engine breaks in. The GPS in the pic shows a > groundspeed of 143 MPH with the 15 MPH tailwind this morning. I think > I'll actually be able to GO somewhere in this plane! :) > snip > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Dual stick order From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 1/10/04 3:21 PM, "Bill Howerton" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" > > Has anyone else ordered the dual-stick option for their 601XL? > For those waiting for dual stick options, here's some snippets from correspondence with ZAC: 7 March 2004: Ray, The order will ship tomorrow or next week. They are working on 17 orders and not sure who is first. Thanks for waiting. Shirley > On 1/5/04 1:22 PM, "Zenith Aircraft Company" > wrote: > > > > > Ray, > > Believe that the dual stick option is to be available in a couple > > of weeks. Thanks for waiting and sorry that it has taken so long. > > Shirley Zenith Aircraft Company info@zenithair.com > > http://www.zenithair.com > > > > (573) 581-9000 (Mon-Fri, 8-5 Central) > > (573) 581-0011 Fax > > > > Write us at: > > Zenith Aircraft Company > > Mexico Memorial Airport, PO Box 650 > > Mexico, Missouri 65265-0650 USA > > > > Hi Shirley, > > Is there any update on the delivery of the dual stick option? > > Best regards, Ray Montagne > Cupertino, CA Just checked the UPS tracking web page and am expecting delivery tomorrow! DO NOT ARCHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA =========================================================================== Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL NOTE: Heavy SPAM filters in place. Replies that do not include the word 'Zenith' or 'Zodiac' will be rejected and will not be viewable by me. =========================================================================== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:43 PM PST US From: "Bill Howerton" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Dual stick order --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" As an update - my dual stick finally arrived over the weekend. Total time on backorder: 6 months Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Montagne" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Dual stick order > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne > > On 1/10/04 3:21 PM, "Bill Howerton" wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" > > > > Has anyone else ordered the dual-stick option for their 601XL? > > > > For those waiting for dual stick options, here's some snippets from > correspondence with ZAC: > > 7 March 2004: > > Ray, > The order will ship tomorrow or next week. They are working on 17 > orders and not sure who is first. Thanks for waiting. Shirley > > > On 1/5/04 1:22 PM, "Zenith Aircraft Company" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > Believe that the dual stick option is to be available in a couple > > > of weeks. Thanks for waiting and sorry that it has taken so long. > > > Shirley Zenith Aircraft Company info@zenithair.com > > > http://www.zenithair.com > > > > > > (573) 581-9000 (Mon-Fri, 8-5 Central) > > > (573) 581-0011 Fax > > > > > > Write us at: > > > Zenith Aircraft Company > > > Mexico Memorial Airport, PO Box 650 > > > Mexico, Missouri 65265-0650 USA > > > > > > > Hi Shirley, > > > > Is there any update on the delivery of the dual stick option? > > > > Best regards, Ray Montagne > > Cupertino, CA > > > Just checked the UPS tracking web page and am expecting delivery tomorrow! > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Best Regards, Ray Montagne > Cupertino, CA > > =========================================================================== > > Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL > > NOTE: Heavy SPAM filters in place. Replies that do not include > the word 'Zenith' or 'Zodiac' will be rejected and will not > be viewable by me. > > =========================================================================== > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:42 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick David Tellet wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet > > Rick, > > Is this an HD or an HDS? If the former, you must have the fastest > one around. Any secrets? Fairings? It's an HD. No fairings yet, but I'll probably add some wheel pants and fair in some of the draggy stuff like the entry steps and bungee-box on the main gears. The Zenith website http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/601-hd.html shows a top speed of 135 MPH for a 570 pound HD with the 80 horse Rotax. Mine has considerably more power with the 120 horse Jabiru, but she's considerably heavier too at 686 pounds empty weight. No complaints about the speed, but I'd sure like to get some more RPM's from the Jabiru. It's already improved by a couple hundred RPM's since the first flight, maybe she'll go up a little more as it breaks in. Happy Zodiac driver, Rick P.