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1. 02:34 AM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Randall Stout)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Rico Voss)
3. 07:32 AM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Bob Miller)
4. 08:00 AM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
5. 10:39 AM - Shipping method? (Johann)
6. 10:55 AM - Wire Size - Battery Relay to Starter Solenoid (Andrew SanClemente)
7. 11:12 AM - Re: Shipping method? (Randy Stout)
8. 11:31 AM - Re: Wire Size - Battery Relay to Starter Solenoid (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
9. 11:33 AM - Re: Wire Size - Battery Relay to Starter Solenoid (Larry McFarland)
10. 12:32 PM - Re: Wire Size - Battery Relay to Starter Solenoid (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
11. 04:14 PM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Rick)
12. 04:22 PM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Rick)
13. 04:44 PM - Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions (Rick)
14. 06:37 PM - Re: ch mini-z (ronnie wehba)
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randall Stout <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
You're killing me! :-)
Randy Stout (85mph Zodiac)
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Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick
David Tellet wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet
>
> Rick,
>
> Is this an HD or an HDS? If the former, you must have the fastest
> one around. Any secrets? Fairings?
It's an HD. No fairings yet, but I'll probably add some wheel pants and fair
in some of the draggy stuff like the entry steps and bungee-box on the main
gears. The Zenith website http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/601-hd.html shows a
top speed of 135 MPH for a 570 pound HD with the 80 horse Rotax. Mine has
considerably more power with the 120 horse Jabiru, but she's considerably
heavier too at 686 pounds empty weight.
No complaints about the speed, but I'd sure like to get some more RPM's from
the Jabiru. It's already improved by a couple hundred RPM's since the first
flight, maybe she'll go up a little more as it breaks in.
Happy Zodiac driver,
Rick P.
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
Good information, Rick.
What prop are you using??
Have you figured fuel-burn yet?
--Richard Voss, XL, fuse., 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Holy Moly, to my knowledge nobody's gotten those figures in real life.
Outstanding, Rick! Even with the 3300, those figures are terrific. Have
you done anything you can think of that would improve the performance?
Congratulations,
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
>
> David Tellet wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet <telletdl@erols.com>
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > Is this an HD or an HDS? If the former, you must have the fastest
> > one around. Any secrets? Fairings?
>
> It's an HD. No fairings yet, but I'll probably add some wheel pants and
fair
> in some of the draggy stuff like the entry steps and bungee-box on the
main
> gears. The Zenith website http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/601-hd.html
shows a
> top speed of 135 MPH for a 570 pound HD with the 80 horse Rotax. Mine has
> considerably more power with the 120 horse Jabiru, but she's considerably
> heavier too at 686 pounds empty weight.
> No complaints about the speed, but I'd sure like to get some more RPM's
from
> the Jabiru. It's already improved by a couple hundred RPM's since the
first
> flight, maybe she'll go up a little more as it breaks in.
>
> Happy Zodiac driver,
> Rick P.
>
>
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| Subject: | Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I'm having a hard time buying this....Sure there maybe minor differences
between individual zodiacs but that kind of difference is huge. Its got 10
miles and hour on my HDS.
Have you done a three way run and calibrated with you GPS or is this from
the ASI? Where is the static port for the ASI if this is the case.
Zenith use the static port inside the cabin on their demonstrators, which
runs at lower pressure than ambient and artificially raises the indicated
speed.
I'm just glad my Wife hasn't fallen in love with the new 640 (its got four
seats and we can take our friends and look how fast it goes)...yeah right...
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Miller
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
--> <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Holy Moly, to my knowledge nobody's gotten those figures in real life.
Outstanding, Rick! Even with the 3300, those figures are terrific. Have
you done anything you can think of that would improve the performance?
Congratulations, Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
>
> David Tellet wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet <telletdl@erols.com>
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > Is this an HD or an HDS? If the former, you must have the
> > fastest one around. Any secrets? Fairings?
>
> It's an HD. No fairings yet, but I'll probably add some wheel pants
> and
fair
> in some of the draggy stuff like the entry steps and bungee-box on the
main
> gears. The Zenith website http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/601-hd.html
shows a
> top speed of 135 MPH for a 570 pound HD with the 80 horse Rotax. Mine
> has considerably more power with the 120 horse Jabiru, but she's
> considerably heavier too at 686 pounds empty weight. No complaints
> about the speed, but I'd sure like to get some more RPM's
from
> the Jabiru. It's already improved by a couple hundred RPM's since the
first
> flight, maybe she'll go up a little more as it breaks in.
>
> Happy Zodiac driver,
> Rick P.
>
>
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| Subject: | Shipping method? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Hello list members.
I am facing a dilemma up here regarding shipping my Rotax engine from NC to
NY. I know this is not directly Zenith related, but it is the engine for my
Zenith 701, so I thought someone could reccomend a shipping company or a
method to move the engine from North Carolina to the Freight Airline in New
York.
I really appreciate any help with this matter.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | Wire Size - Battery Relay to Starter Solenoid |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
What is the correct gauge wire to use from the Battery Relay to the
Starter solenoid? (Shielded?) Is it ok if the Battery Relay is behind
the seats (where my battery is) and then the wire is run all the way
to the engine compartment to the starter solenoid?
thanks
Andrew
601 HDS
Stratus Subaru
What is the correct gauge wire to use from the Battery Relay to the Starter solenoid?
(Shielded?) Is it ok if the Battery Relay is behind the seats (where my
battery is) and then the wire is run all the way to the engine compartment to
the starter solenoid?
thanks
Andrew
601 HDS
Stratus Subaru
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| Subject: | Re: Shipping method? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
Johann
Rather than repeat the story, go to
http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/shipping.html and read the story about how
I shipped my Corvair engine from New Hampshire to Texas. These guys saved me
a lot of money over what it would have cost if I just tried to do it myself.
Randy Stout - San Antonio TX
CH601HD N282RS
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
n282rs@sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Subject: Zenith-List: Shipping method?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello list members.
>
> I am facing a dilemma up here regarding shipping my Rotax engine from NC
to
> NY. I know this is not directly Zenith related, but it is the engine for
my
> Zenith 701, so I thought someone could reccomend a shipping company or a
> method to move the engine from North Carolina to the Freight Airline in
New
> York.
>
> I really appreciate any help with this matter.
>
> Best regards,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
>
>
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| Subject: | Wire Size - Battery Relay to Starter Solenoid |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Lots of folks will tell you lots of things but know that battery cable is
heavy so the smallest you can get away with is good.
The cable does not have to be sheilded and I did not run a ground wire, but
grounded it to the airframe itself. Make sure there is a ground strap from
the engine near the starter to the firewall, lest you want 300amps going
through your main bearings...Believe me you do not!
I used a #6 gauge and my (main) battery is behind the pilots seat and is an
18Ah sealed lead acid.
My second (tiny 3 ah) battery is mounted on the firewall but is only running
the second ignition and one fuel pump.
Has Ron got your engine yet?
Frank
314 hours HDs Stratus with Ram heads.
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
SanClemente
Subject: Zenith-List: Wire Size - Battery Relay to Starter Solenoid
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente
--> <ansancle@townisp.com>
What is the correct gauge wire to use from the Battery Relay to the
Starter solenoid? (Shielded?) Is it ok if the Battery Relay is behind
the seats (where my battery is) and then the wire is run all the way
to the engine compartment to the starter solenoid?
thanks
Andrew
601 HDS
Stratus Subaru
What is the correct gauge wire to use from the Battery Relay to the Starter
solenoid? (Shielded?) Is it ok if the Battery Relay is behind the seats
(where my battery is) and then the wire is run all the way to the engine
compartment to the starter solenoid?
thanks
Andrew
601 HDS
Stratus Subaru
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Size - Battery Relay to Starter Solenoid |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Andrew,
I used a #4 Ga welding wire. Very flexible
and easy to solder ends onto. Rubber jacket
on it is also rugged.
My solenoids are each mounted on the 2-battery tray at rear spar
and the heavy wire goes forward to the starter from there.
Larry
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>
>
> What is the correct gauge wire to use from the Battery Relay to the
Starter solenoid? (Shielded?) Is it ok if the Battery Relay is behind the
seats (where my battery is) and then the wire is run all the way to the
engine compartment to the starter solenoid?
> thanks
> Andrew
>
> 601 HDS
> Stratus Subaru
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Size - Battery Relay to Starter Solenoid |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I also will have the battery behind the seats and a Subaru in the cowl. I ran a
#4AWG tefzel (aircraft grade) wire from the battery tray to the engine compartment.
Tefzel won't produce toxic fumes if the wire shorts out. In the engine
compartment, I used some THHN wire I had laying around, this isn't very flexible
but it doesn't need to be. I will probably use a more flexible wire where it
connects to the battery though. I used #6 to tie in the alternator to my electrical
system and also the main fuse panel.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
>
> What is the correct gauge wire to use from the Battery Relay to the
> Starter solenoid? (Shielded?) Is it ok if the Battery Relay is behind
> the seats (where my battery is) and then the wire is run all the way
> to the engine compartment to the starter solenoid?
> thanks
> Andrew
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Rico Voss wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>
> Good information, Rick.
>
> What prop are you using??
>
> Have you figured fuel-burn yet?
>
> --Richard Voss, XL, fuse., 3300
I'm using a Sensenich wood prop, 64x49. I was concerned that it might be too
much prop for the engine at first since I only got ~2600 RPM at WOT during the
first couple of static runs, and about 2700 RPM at WOT in level flight. I'm
just now starting to see the 2900's after 10 hours. I was hoping for WOT RPM's
in the 3100 to 3200 RPM range. Maybe once I get 50 or 60 hours on her it'll go
up a couple hundred RPM.
No exact numbers to give you on fuel burn yet, but it's been running close to
5 GPH. I've been varying the throttle settings too much during the first 10
hours to really get any meaningful numbers.
That XL should really haul butt with all that horsepower and it's skinnier
wing!
Rick P.
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Bob Miller wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
>
> Holy Moly, to my knowledge nobody's gotten those figures in real life.
> Outstanding, Rick! Even with the 3300, those figures are terrific. Have
> you done anything you can think of that would improve the performance?
> Congratulations,
> Bob
I pretty much just followed the blueprints. No fairings or anything yet, but
they'll be coming soon. It'd be nice to get the full 135 MPH max speed like the
website shows :)
I *did* follow 2 rules when building:
1) every small change will add 100 hours to your build time.
2) anything that you want to add to the airplane should be tossed into the air
first. If it falls back down to the earth on it's own, don't use it. It's too heavy
to put in your airplane.
Rick P.
still grinnin'
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac/Jabiru update/questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
"HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> I'm having a hard time buying this....Sure there maybe minor differences
> between individual zodiacs but that kind of difference is huge. Its got 10
> miles and hour on my HDS.
I had trouble believing the ASI at first myself. I knew she FELT fast, but I'm
usually
skeptical of the advertised numbers on company websites. The next day I put the
GPS on the
panel and went flying again. It was a dead calm morning and I made a couple different
runs
going both ways with the same results: at ~2500 RPM I was indicating 110 MPH and
the GPS
showed 110 MPH. Lemme see if I can find the pics... ah, here's one:
http://www.lightflyers.com/cruise3.jpg
>
>
> Have you done a three way run and calibrated with you GPS or is this from
> the ASI? Where is the static port for the ASI if this is the case.
I built the pitot mast shown in the Bingelli book with the "piccilo tube" static
port just
above the pitot tube. It's mounted under the left wing just outboard of the leading
edge
tanks.
>
>
> Zenith use the static port inside the cabin on their demonstrators, which
> runs at lower pressure than ambient and artificially raises the indicated
> speed.
Yeah, that's the "easy way", but it does put the staic source in a bit of a low-pressure
area.
Frank, how much does your HDS weigh, and what engine are you using?
I'm thinking about building a set of HDS wing panels later on. This project is
just about
done and I still want to BUILD something :)
Rick P.
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required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
Thanks for the offer, but i was just looking at the info book i got for the
701,, and saw the history, and was wanting to look at his single place A/C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Lucy" <jpollard@mnsi.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch mini-z
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
>
> At 10:27 AM 3/7/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >
> >anyone know of a website about the early models such as the ch-50
> >mini-z,ch 100 mono-z ect?
>
>
> I got some old zenith sales literature I can scan and send to you if
> that is the type of info you could use.
>
>
> Jim Pollard
> ch601hds
> putting tank in second wing
>
>
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