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1. 05:44 AM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (Philip A. C.)
2. 06:51 AM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (Larry Martin)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: Brake fluid ???? (Leo Gates)
4. 08:04 AM - Re: 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount (victor verdev)
5. 08:29 AM - Re: Brake fluid ???? (Joemotis@aol.com)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (Leo J. Corbalis)
7. 09:39 AM - ATF (The Meiste's)
8. 11:39 AM - Re: Brake fluid ???? (Jack Russell)
9. 11:46 AM - Re: 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount (jnbolding1)
10. 12:23 PM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
11. 02:45 PM - Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) (Cory Emberson)
12. 03:24 PM - Re: Brake fluid ???? (Benford2@aol.com)
13. 06:29 PM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (Larry Martin)
14. 06:47 PM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (Larry Martin)
15. 08:42 PM - Unplanned hole in 601 skin (Tommy Clark)
16. 10:05 PM - Engine mount bolt torque values (Jeff Paden)
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| Subject: | Re: 6-port fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip A. C." <paclimited@hotmail.com>
If you return the fuel to the feed line, you'll increase vapor-lock
problems. The fuel will be heated during its trip in the engine compartment,
while if it is returned to the tanks it has time to cool.
Am going to run a return line on a carb engine because high OAT (am living
in Africa), and auto gas = vapor lock. I choked as well on Andair's prices,
but after considering all other available solutions, I've decided to go for
it: only one selector to worry with, reduced risks of "oops... switched to
the wrong tank..." comments when you suddenly realize that you are leaving a
contrail of fuel overflowing from the vent. All the complications and
possible mistakes associated with more selectors are not worth saving a
couple of hundred bucks, in my opinion...
Philip
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| Subject: | Re: 6-port fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Have you got a diagram or drawing about the "T"? You only have one return
line, but two feed lines to the selector. Or are you talking about making a
loop to the engine side (output side) of the fuel selector?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
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> The instructions that came with my fuel injection system says that you can
> simply put a T on the fuel selector so that the bypass fuel is linked to
the
> feed line from the fuel selector. I don't know if this will help you, but
> that is the way I am going to plumb my fuel injection system.
>
> Jeff Paden
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> >I am kind of choking on the huge pricetag associated
> >with the Andair and other aviation 6-port fuel tank
> >selector valves I have managed to find. We are
> >running fuel injection so returning the feul to the
> >same tank it came from is important and the simplest
> >way will be with a 6-port fuel selector valve.
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| Subject: | Re: Brake fluid ???? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
My 2 cents: An Archive search today brought up 105 messages about this
subject with answers all over the water front.
Several replies from posters, I deeply respect, suggested ATF Dexron
III. Their experience was 5 - 6 years with no problems. (Names omitted
because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings).
Why ATF? It's cheap, readily available, red (you can see it), won't eat
your paint and works.
One poster said not to use ATF because it was not readily available at
airports you may stop at. Well, I plan on carrying a Qt. with me along
with some engine oil. I have a Rotax 912 and am using Castrol Superbike
oil - not readily available at airports either.
I have had ATF in my brakes for 9 months now - no problems. Not flying,
as my wings are not yet attached. However, taxi tests last month to
check brakes and just for fun, showed the brakes working fine.
Leo Gates
N601Z, Just about there.
Benford2@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
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>What style fluid are you guys using in the matco brakes. Regular auto stuff,
>silicone, red aviation stuff????
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>Thanks in advance
> ben haas n891bh
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| Subject: | Re: 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev <vjvus@yahoo.com>
Thanks Brett for replying. I'll call you.
Thanks Vic
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> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev
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> > I'm looking for A 0-235 Lyc. Dynafocal engine
> mount
> > for A 601XL. Or if someone will build one from ZAC
> > print. Please contact Vic at vjvus@yahoo.com
> > Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Brake fluid ???? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Greetings listers,
Thanks to all on parking brake post. Looking at in the catolog right now.
Joe Motis
601 XL
working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: 6-port fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Just a suggestion, get a motorcycle oil cooler. It just a 1/2 in. copper U
shaped tube with fins and return the fuel back to the engine. This will cool
the gas and simplify the plumbing. Has anyone tried something like this?
Leo Corbalis
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> I have had ATF in my brakes for 9 months now - no problems. Not flying,
> as my wings are not yet attached. However, taxi tests last month to
> check brakes and just for fun, showed the brakes working fine.
>
> Leo Gates
> N601Z, Just about there.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Leo (and others),
The ATF will work just fine. I've been using it for almost 2 years now and
have 225+ landings (many with heavy braking) and haven't had any problems or
leaks.
Kelly
601 HD
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| Subject: | Re: Brake fluid ???? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Joe: I got the mat pv1 valve from chief for 99.95. Might be cheaper elsewhere but
I don't think so. Jack
see Chiefaircraft.com
Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Greetings listers,
Thanks to all on parking brake post. Looking at in the catolog right now.
Joe Motis
601 XL
working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: victor verdev <vjvus@yahoo.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev <vjvus@yahoo.com>
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>I'm looking for A 0-235 Lyc. Dynafocal engine mount
>for A 601XL. Or if someone will build one from ZAC
>print. Please contact Vic at vjvus@yahoo.com
>Thanks
Vic After checking with my next door neighbor who is an IA and looking it up in
the catalog, found that 235thru 0-360 are the same ring, I will build your
mount for $275 plus shipping. If you wish me to do it send $50 which is non refundable,
when I finish the mount I'll send it to you and if you like it you
can send the balance. Just started a Legal Eagle fuselage so it might be 4-6
weeks delivery. Thanks for your interest. John
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| Subject: | Re: 6-port fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
One alternative to a 6-port valve is to pipe the return fuel to a T on the inlet
side of the pump. One disadvantage of this method is that the fuel gets heated
on its trip through the fuel pump to the engine and back so you'll pe piping
heated fuel to the inlet to your pump which may lead to vapor lock problems.
Running the return fuel through a small oil cooler might eliminate this risk
as someone has suggested.
Another possibility is to use two 3-port valves, one for supply and one for return
and rember to switch them at the same time. You could tie them together with
a linkage so both switch together if you want to eliminate the risk of forgetting.
Or you could find a fuel valve for an older model Ford pickup with dual tanks and fuel injection. I see a few of these up for bid on E-bay (www.ebaymotors.com).
Bryan Martin
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| Subject: | Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hello Zenith builders and pilots!
First, thank you for your wonderful response to my request for examples of terrific
panels - I expect that a Zenith will be included in the June 2004 issue.
I am writing another article for Kitplanes magazine that will feature builders
who have distinctive interiors and/or exteriors.
My deadline is rather short, so if you could email me as soon as possible, hopefully
by Tuesday, that will give me enough time to put it together.
Here are some of the criteria I'm looking for:
Interiors that are (one or any combination):
1. creative
2. inexpensive
3. very comfortable
4. lightweight
5. generally cool and different
6. distinctive in some way.
Exteriors that are:
1.. stunningly attractive
2.. original design
3.. historically accurate
4.. distinctive in some way
Other things to keep in mind:
1. How you came to design your interior/exterior (How you got your idea)
2. The reasons why you did it as you did
3. What benefits you had in mind
4. Any unexpected benefits (and/or pitfalls) there were
5. What you learned
6. How many hours you've flown with it (if completed)
7. How much of the work did you do yourself?
8. Did you have any professional assistance? How much?
9. The equipment and tools you used
10. How much time it took to build and install
11. The cost of building it.
12. Would you do it again the same way? Why?
Here are the photo requirements for Kitplanes: Photos must be 300 dpi at a size
large enough to use in the magazine, which is usually at least 3 x 3 inches.
If an image is 300 dpi at 1 x 1 inch, it won't be big enough to do any good. Hard
copy photos are good, too.
Thanks so much - I really appreciate your help!
best regards,
Cory Emberson
Hayward, CA [KHWD]
510.599.4409
cory@lightspeededit.com
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| Subject: | Re: Brake fluid ???? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 3/13/2004 8:07:41 AM Mountain Standard Time,
cfd@thegateway.net writes:
>
> My Matco directions said to use red aviation brake fluid.
> Chuck D.
> N701TX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Benford2@aol.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Brake fluid ????
>
Thanks guys. I did see that in their web site and filled my system from the
bottom up. Works great thr first time. I did use good silicone fluid. probably
should have used Google first...
Ben Haas.
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| Subject: | Re: 6-port fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
I asked my Subaru expert about the "T" arrangement. He said it is not a
good idea, for the same reasons already mentioned. He also said that a six
port selector was available from J.C. Whitney for $54.00 that worked well.
It's used on pickups and Rvs with aux tanks. I've had two trucks with dual
tanks with those type of selectors and never had a problem. I had one of
them for 15 years.
----- Original Message -----
From: <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
>
> One alternative to a 6-port valve is to pipe the return fuel to a T on the
inlet side of the pump. One disadvantage of this method is that the fuel
gets heated on its trip through the fuel pump to the engine and back so
you'll pe piping heated fuel to the inlet to your pump which may lead to
vapor lock problems. Running the return fuel through a small oil cooler
might eliminate this risk as someone has suggested.
>
> Another possibility is to use two 3-port valves, one for supply and one
for return and rember to switch them at the same time. You could tie them
together with a linkage so both switch together if you want to eliminate the
risk of forgetting.
>
> Or you could find a fuel valve for an older model Ford pickup with dual
tanks and fuel injection. I see a few of these up for bid on E-bay
(www.ebaymotors.com).
>
> Bryan Martin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 6-port fuel selector valve |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Here's the site for the Whitney 6 port fuel selector.
http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId1103&catalogId=10101&langId=-1&storeId=10101
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
>
> One alternative to a 6-port valve is to pipe the return fuel to a T on the
inlet side of the pump. One disadvantage of this method is that the fuel
gets heated on its trip through the fuel pump to the engine and back so
you'll pe piping heated fuel to the inlet to your pump which may lead to
vapor lock problems. Running the return fuel through a small oil cooler
might eliminate this risk as someone has suggested.
>
> Another possibility is to use two 3-port valves, one for supply and one
for return and rember to switch them at the same time. You could tie them
together with a linkage so both switch together if you want to eliminate the
risk of forgetting.
>
> Or you could find a fuel valve for an older model Ford pickup with dual
tanks and fuel injection. I see a few of these up for bid on E-bay
(www.ebaymotors.com).
>
> Bryan Martin
>
>
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| Subject: | Unplanned hole in 601 skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Clark" <tclark955@charter.net>
Hi group,
My name is Tommy Clark, I've just started a 601XL. While working the elevator,
I was trying to "tweak" the flange on the elevator skin with a smooth pair of
pliers, and pulled a hole in the skin, approximately 1/8-3/16 "L" shaped tear
in the flange, near the bend. What should I do? Is my skin trashed or is it
an issue? I would appreciate any input from you guys that has been there.
Thanks for your input,
Tommy Clark
601XL
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| Subject: | Engine mount bolt torque values |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Does anyone here have any idea of where I an find information on the torque
that I should use for the bolts that hold the engine to the dynafocal engine
mount? I don't want to crush my rubber mounts, but I want to make sure that
my engine is firmly bolted to the aircraft.
The engine is a Lycoming IO-540, the mounts are Barry mounts and the bolts
are AN8 bolts.
Any help will be appreciated.
Jeff Paden
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