---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/13/04: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:44 AM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (Philip A. C.) 2. 06:51 AM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (Larry Martin) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: Brake fluid ???? (Leo Gates) 4. 08:04 AM - Re: 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount (victor verdev) 5. 08:29 AM - Re: Brake fluid ???? (Joemotis@aol.com) 6. 09:01 AM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (Leo J. Corbalis) 7. 09:39 AM - ATF (The Meiste's) 8. 11:39 AM - Re: Brake fluid ???? (Jack Russell) 9. 11:46 AM - Re: 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount (jnbolding1) 10. 12:23 PM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 11. 02:45 PM - Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) (Cory Emberson) 12. 03:24 PM - Re: Brake fluid ???? (Benford2@aol.com) 13. 06:29 PM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (Larry Martin) 14. 06:47 PM - Re: 6-port fuel selector valve (Larry Martin) 15. 08:42 PM - Unplanned hole in 601 skin (Tommy Clark) 16. 10:05 PM - Engine mount bolt torque values (Jeff Paden) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:34 AM PST US From: "Philip A. C." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip A. C." If you return the fuel to the feed line, you'll increase vapor-lock problems. The fuel will be heated during its trip in the engine compartment, while if it is returned to the tanks it has time to cool. Am going to run a return line on a carb engine because high OAT (am living in Africa), and auto gas = vapor lock. I choked as well on Andair's prices, but after considering all other available solutions, I've decided to go for it: only one selector to worry with, reduced risks of "oops... switched to the wrong tank..." comments when you suddenly realize that you are leaving a contrail of fuel overflowing from the vent. All the complications and possible mistakes associated with more selectors are not worth saving a couple of hundred bucks, in my opinion... Philip ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:48 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Have you got a diagram or drawing about the "T"? You only have one return line, but two feed lines to the selector. Or are you talking about making a loop to the engine side (output side) of the fuel selector? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Paden" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" > > The instructions that came with my fuel injection system says that you can > simply put a T on the fuel selector so that the bypass fuel is linked to the > feed line from the fuel selector. I don't know if this will help you, but > that is the way I am going to plumb my fuel injection system. > > Jeff Paden > > > >I am kind of choking on the huge pricetag associated > >with the Andair and other aviation 6-port fuel tank > >selector valves I have managed to find. We are > >running fuel injection so returning the feul to the > >same tank it came from is important and the simplest > >way will be with a 6-port fuel selector valve. > > --- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:39 AM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake fluid ???? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates My 2 cents: An Archive search today brought up 105 messages about this subject with answers all over the water front. Several replies from posters, I deeply respect, suggested ATF Dexron III. Their experience was 5 - 6 years with no problems. (Names omitted because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings). Why ATF? It's cheap, readily available, red (you can see it), won't eat your paint and works. One poster said not to use ATF because it was not readily available at airports you may stop at. Well, I plan on carrying a Qt. with me along with some engine oil. I have a Rotax 912 and am using Castrol Superbike oil - not readily available at airports either. I have had ATF in my brakes for 9 months now - no problems. Not flying, as my wings are not yet attached. However, taxi tests last month to check brakes and just for fun, showed the brakes working fine. Leo Gates N601Z, Just about there. Benford2@aol.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com > >What style fluid are you guys using in the matco brakes. Regular auto stuff, >silicone, red aviation stuff???? > >Thanks in advance > ben haas n891bh > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:58 AM PST US From: victor verdev Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount --> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev Thanks Brett for replying. I'll call you. Thanks Vic --- Brett Ray wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" > > > I can build you one. If you still need it e-mail me > or give me a call. > Brett@hog-air.com or 1-888-782-7676 > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev > > > > > I'm looking for A 0-235 Lyc. Dynafocal engine > mount > > for A 601XL. Or if someone will build one from ZAC > > print. Please contact Vic at vjvus@yahoo.com > > Thanks > > > > > > __________________________________ > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > _- > ======================================================================= > > > _- > ======================================================================= > > > _- > ======================================================================= > > > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Thanks > Brett Ray > owner Hog Air > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:41 AM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake fluid ???? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com Greetings listers, Thanks to all on parking brake post. Looking at in the catolog right now. Joe Motis 601 XL working on wings Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:12 AM PST US From: "Leo J. Corbalis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" Just a suggestion, get a motorcycle oil cooler. It just a 1/2 in. copper U shaped tube with fins and return the fuel back to the engine. This will cool the gas and simplify the plumbing. Has anyone tried something like this? Leo Corbalis ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:35 AM PST US From: "The Meiste's" Subject: Zenith-List: ATF --> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" > I have had ATF in my brakes for 9 months now - no problems. Not flying, > as my wings are not yet attached. However, taxi tests last month to > check brakes and just for fun, showed the brakes working fine. > > Leo Gates > N601Z, Just about there. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Leo (and others), The ATF will work just fine. I've been using it for almost 2 years now and have 225+ landings (many with heavy braking) and haven't had any problems or leaks. Kelly 601 HD ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:09 AM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake fluid ???? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell Joe: I got the mat pv1 valve from chief for 99.95. Might be cheaper elsewhere but I don't think so. Jack see Chiefaircraft.com Joemotis@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com Greetings listers, Thanks to all on parking brake post. Looking at in the catolog right now. Joe Motis 601 XL working on wings Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:56 AM PST US From: "jnbolding1" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 0-235 Lycoming Engine Mount --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: victor verdev >--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev > >I'm looking for A 0-235 Lyc. Dynafocal engine mount >for A 601XL. Or if someone will build one from ZAC >print. Please contact Vic at vjvus@yahoo.com >Thanks Vic After checking with my next door neighbor who is an IA and looking it up in the catalog, found that 235thru 0-360 are the same ring, I will build your mount for $275 plus shipping. If you wish me to do it send $50 which is non refundable, when I finish the mount I'll send it to you and if you like it you can send the balance. Just started a Legal Eagle fuselage so it might be 4-6 weeks delivery. Thanks for your interest. John ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:17 PM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net One alternative to a 6-port valve is to pipe the return fuel to a T on the inlet side of the pump. One disadvantage of this method is that the fuel gets heated on its trip through the fuel pump to the engine and back so you'll pe piping heated fuel to the inlet to your pump which may lead to vapor lock problems. Running the return fuel through a small oil cooler might eliminate this risk as someone has suggested. Another possibility is to use two 3-port valves, one for supply and one for return and rember to switch them at the same time. You could tie them together with a linkage so both switch together if you want to eliminate the risk of forgetting. Or you could find a fuel valve for an older model Ford pickup with dual tanks and fuel injection. I see a few of these up for bid on E-bay (www.ebaymotors.com). Bryan Martin ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:33 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: Zenith-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Hello Zenith builders and pilots! First, thank you for your wonderful response to my request for examples of terrific panels - I expect that a Zenith will be included in the June 2004 issue. I am writing another article for Kitplanes magazine that will feature builders who have distinctive interiors and/or exteriors. My deadline is rather short, so if you could email me as soon as possible, hopefully by Tuesday, that will give me enough time to put it together. Here are some of the criteria I'm looking for: Interiors that are (one or any combination): 1. creative 2. inexpensive 3. very comfortable 4. lightweight 5. generally cool and different 6. distinctive in some way. Exteriors that are: 1.. stunningly attractive 2.. original design 3.. historically accurate 4.. distinctive in some way Other things to keep in mind: 1. How you came to design your interior/exterior (How you got your idea) 2. The reasons why you did it as you did 3. What benefits you had in mind 4. Any unexpected benefits (and/or pitfalls) there were 5. What you learned 6. How many hours you've flown with it (if completed) 7. How much of the work did you do yourself? 8. Did you have any professional assistance? How much? 9. The equipment and tools you used 10. How much time it took to build and install 11. The cost of building it. 12. Would you do it again the same way? Why? Here are the photo requirements for Kitplanes: Photos must be 300 dpi at a size large enough to use in the magazine, which is usually at least 3 x 3 inches. If an image is 300 dpi at 1 x 1 inch, it won't be big enough to do any good. Hard copy photos are good, too. Thanks so much - I really appreciate your help! best regards, Cory Emberson Hayward, CA [KHWD] 510.599.4409 cory@lightspeededit.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:00 PM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Brake fluid ???? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 3/13/2004 8:07:41 AM Mountain Standard Time, cfd@thegateway.net writes: > > My Matco directions said to use red aviation brake fluid. > Chuck D. > N701TX > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Brake fluid ???? > Thanks guys. I did see that in their web site and filled my system from the bottom up. Works great thr first time. I did use good silicone fluid. probably should have used Google first... Ben Haas. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:19 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" I asked my Subaru expert about the "T" arrangement. He said it is not a good idea, for the same reasons already mentioned. He also said that a six port selector was available from J.C. Whitney for $54.00 that worked well. It's used on pickups and Rvs with aux tanks. I've had two trucks with dual tanks with those type of selectors and never had a problem. I had one of them for 15 years. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve > --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net > > One alternative to a 6-port valve is to pipe the return fuel to a T on the inlet side of the pump. One disadvantage of this method is that the fuel gets heated on its trip through the fuel pump to the engine and back so you'll pe piping heated fuel to the inlet to your pump which may lead to vapor lock problems. Running the return fuel through a small oil cooler might eliminate this risk as someone has suggested. > > Another possibility is to use two 3-port valves, one for supply and one for return and rember to switch them at the same time. You could tie them together with a linkage so both switch together if you want to eliminate the risk of forgetting. > > Or you could find a fuel valve for an older model Ford pickup with dual tanks and fuel injection. I see a few of these up for bid on E-bay (www.ebaymotors.com). > > Bryan Martin > > --- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:25 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Here's the site for the Whitney 6 port fuel selector. http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId1103&catalogId=10101&langId=-1&storeId=10101 Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6-port fuel selector valve > --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net > > One alternative to a 6-port valve is to pipe the return fuel to a T on the inlet side of the pump. One disadvantage of this method is that the fuel gets heated on its trip through the fuel pump to the engine and back so you'll pe piping heated fuel to the inlet to your pump which may lead to vapor lock problems. Running the return fuel through a small oil cooler might eliminate this risk as someone has suggested. > > Another possibility is to use two 3-port valves, one for supply and one for return and rember to switch them at the same time. You could tie them together with a linkage so both switch together if you want to eliminate the risk of forgetting. > > Or you could find a fuel valve for an older model Ford pickup with dual tanks and fuel injection. I see a few of these up for bid on E-bay (www.ebaymotors.com). > > Bryan Martin > > --- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:00 PM PST US From: "Tommy Clark" Subject: Zenith-List: Unplanned hole in 601 skin --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Clark" Hi group, My name is Tommy Clark, I've just started a 601XL. While working the elevator, I was trying to "tweak" the flange on the elevator skin with a smooth pair of pliers, and pulled a hole in the skin, approximately 1/8-3/16 "L" shaped tear in the flange, near the bend. What should I do? Is my skin trashed or is it an issue? I would appreciate any input from you guys that has been there. Thanks for your input, Tommy Clark 601XL ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:10 PM PST US From: "Jeff Paden" Subject: Zenith-List: Engine mount bolt torque values --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" Does anyone here have any idea of where I an find information on the torque that I should use for the bolts that hold the engine to the dynafocal engine mount? I don't want to crush my rubber mounts, but I want to make sure that my engine is firmly bolted to the aircraft. The engine is a Lycoming IO-540, the mounts are Barry mounts and the bolts are AN8 bolts. Any help will be appreciated. Jeff Paden