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1. 12:05 AM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (wizard-24@juno.com)
2. 07:40 AM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (DEGlass1@aol.com)
3. 08:45 AM - Lewis and Clark Trail Flight (Stanley Challgren)
4. 09:07 AM - Joggling z-angles over the Longeron (caspainhower@aep.com)
5. 09:22 AM - Aircraft Lighting... (Bima, Martin)
6. 10:10 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
7. 11:47 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (Dan knezacek)
8. 12:00 PM - Re: Joggling z-angles over the Longeron (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
9. 12:22 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (strobes) (Carlos Sa)
10. 12:47 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (strobes) (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
11. 01:03 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
12. 01:12 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
13. 01:47 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
14. 02:16 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (Bill Cardell)
15. 02:48 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
16. 06:00 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (Randy Stout)
17. 07:14 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
18. 10:16 PM - Re: Metal guage (Dave Covert)
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> One of my longerons wasn't quite the right shape either. It wasn't
> too hard to adjust the bend to fit.
I agree with Bryan -- I had to do the same thing. I used a bench vise and
gradually modified the bend to fit.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: DEGlass1@aol.com
Ray -
This sounds like what happened to me, and I'll sheepishly describe the resolution...
I successfully but with great difficulty re-formed my left bottom longeron to match
the curve in the bottom skin, with the excess material extending past the
front. An e-mail to Nick after that frustrating effort, and he responded very
politely that the excess material is cut from the rear...and he didn't say what
he must have been thinking about my intelligence. And I'll be damned if the
right longeron didn't fit perfectly if fitted flush with the front of the skin.
He said the photos and descriptions weren't clear, and has added a note to the
12/10/03 photo instructions revision.
Bottom line: almost always, the parts fit. Just back up to the wider view if you
have trouble.
David
601XL partner: fuselage, gear, controls, panel
Finishing the cabin area this week
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| Subject: | Lewis and Clark Trail Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
Listers:
I am planning a flight to follow the Lewis and Clark Trail from its
beginning near St. Louis to its terminus on the Pacific coast. The
flight will be in two stages; the first to coincide with their St.
Louis departure on 14 May and ending in Mandan, ND where they camped
the first winter. The second stage will be from Mandan to the Pacific
coast and that is planned for next year. I anticipate 2-3 flights per
day of about two hours each. I expect about 6-8 days for the 1600 mile
trip which will include visits to some of the Lewis and Clark memorial
sites along the way.
If anyone needs information on what is planned I would suggest Lewis &
Clark by Air written by Bob and Mike Webster. They flew an Aircam,
which has a 60-80 mph cruise speed, at low altitude along the Lewis and
Clark trail. Their flight took 70 hours in the air with one brother
flying while the other took pictures. Their photos in the book and
the accompanying CD capture the beauty of the Lewis and Clark Trail.
More info on their book may be found at www.LewisAndClarkByAir.com
where it can be purchased for $35. Undaunted Courage, Stephen
Ambrose's book on Lewis and Clark, as well as Julie Fanselow's book,
Traveling the Lewis and =C7lark Trail, may also be consulted.
I plan to take a lot of pictures along the way so will need a copilot,
photographer, or both to accompany me. Anyone building a 601 and
planning on using the Jabiru 3300 would benefit greatly. More than one
person could fill the role if a relief along the route can be effected.
Anyone interested in accompanying me in my aircraft or in their own may
contact me at my email address: >challgren@mac.com<
Stan Challgren
303-674-6910
Zodiac 601 HDS/Jabiru 3300
150 hours
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| Subject: | Joggling z-angles over the Longeron |
03/17/2004 12:07:27 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Just when I thought all the kit parts were pre-joggled! I am just starting
on the fusilage. How is the joggle properly formed for the 'Z' angles
6B1-7 and 6B5-2 over longeron 6B2-3?
Craig S.
N601XS, 601XL, 0-235 lyc, tail and wings done!
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| Subject: | Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Hello All,
What are the specs for the anti-collision light in the US/Canada
(assuming that they are the same).
What I have so far is ...
RED, WHITE, or RED/WHITE
30 degrees above and below horizontal
360 degrees around
Does anyone know what intensity is required?
Thanks
Martin Bima
Winnipeg, Canada
STOL-Vair
22% airframe complete
Working on right wing
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| Subject: | Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
No but check this out. LED lights combined with a great deal on a strobe
package...Very, very cool!
Very reasonable cost, especially as the aeroflash stuff that ZAC has ben
pedling has shown to be less than reliable...Not a big deal to replace
capacitors providing you do it yourself, very bloody expensive if you send
the power supplies back for "service".
This is what I'm going for on my RV project. You will have to fashion some
kind of housing...Think of this, the first time your light lens rolls off
your wing and smashes, you'll wish you had done this...I know I did...:)
http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm
Frank
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Subject: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Hello All,
What are the specs for the anti-collision light in the US/Canada (assuming
that they are the same).
What I have so far is ...
RED, WHITE, or RED/WHITE
30 degrees above and below horizontal
360 degrees around
Does anyone know what intensity is required?
Thanks
Martin Bima
Winnipeg, Canada
STOL-Vair
22% airframe complete
Working on right wing
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
SkySports has some interesting strobe light kits at very reasonable prices
(Kuntzleman Smart Strobe)
Does anyone have any idea of how reliable they are?
http://www.airstuff.com/
How would one install lighting in a wing that is already closed up? Someone
once told me that the wires would have to be inserted into a plastic tube
and run through the lightening holes in the ribs.
Is there any better way without drilling out the rivets?
Dan Knezacek
CH-601 HD
Phone: 705-722-7316
Cell: 705-796-0020
Fax: 705-722-1095
www.drdino.com
www.monolithic.com
www.zenithair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Joggling z-angles over the Longeron |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
You can cut a step in the end of a piece of 2 by 4 and hammer the Z angle into
the step with a soft-faced hammer or just overhang the Z angle off the end of
a board and hammer it into shape. It's not too critical.
Bryan
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>
>
> How is the joggle properly formed for the 'Z' angles
> 6B1-7 and 6B5-2 over longeron 6B2-3?
>
> Craig S.
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Lighting... (strobes) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Dan
It would seem the unit you refer to was designed for ultralights.
The ones used in GA are more powerful (20 - 40 joules compared to 8).
There is a lengthy discussion on strobes in the RV list, and probably on this list
as well. You
might want to search the archives.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
> SkySports has some interesting strobe light kits at very reasonable prices
> (Kuntzleman Smart Strobe)
>
> Does anyone have any idea of how reliable they are?
>
> http://www.airstuff.com/
>
> How would one install lighting in a wing that is already closed up? Someone
> once told me that the wires would have to be inserted into a plastic tube
> and run through the lightening holes in the ribs.
>
> Is there any better way without drilling out the rivets?
>
> Dan Knezacek
>
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Lighting... (strobes) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
http://creativair.com/
This is the link I meant to send with cool lighting packages
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... (strobes)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Dan
It would seem the unit you refer to was designed for ultralights. The ones
used in GA are more powerful (20 - 40 joules compared to 8). There is a
lengthy discussion on strobes in the RV list, and probably on this list as
well. You might want to search the archives.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
> SkySports has some interesting strobe light kits at very reasonable
> prices (Kuntzleman Smart Strobe)
>
> Does anyone have any idea of how reliable they are?
>
> http://www.airstuff.com/
>
> How would one install lighting in a wing that is already closed up?
> Someone once told me that the wires would have to be inserted into a
> plastic tube and run through the lightening holes in the ribs.
>
> Is there any better way without drilling out the rivets?
>
> Dan Knezacek
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
PART 23AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: NORMAL, UTILITY, ACROBATIC, AND COMMUTER CATEGORY
AIRPLANES
Subpart FEquipment
Lights
23.1401 Anticollision light system.
The link to the rule:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=fed879ef32296371a3e39a2cc7d34243&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.9.6.102.34&idno=14
These are the current U. S. requirements. If your aircraft was certified at an
earlier date, the regulations in effect at that time will apply.
Get a copy of the Aircraft Spruce and Specialty catalog. Just before the section
of the catalog where strobe light systems are listed is a very good description
of the anti-collision light requirements including the requirements for aircraft
certified at various times in the past. I don't know if the Canadian regulations
are the same but, since the FAA has been adopting ICAO rules more and
more in recent years, it's likely the Canadian rules are similar.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
>
> Hello All,
>
> What are the specs for the anti-collision light in the US/Canada
> (assuming that they are the same).
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
These will take care of the position light requirement but you still have to have
anti-collision lights (strobes) in addition to these, either the Aeroflash
units or some other brand. LEDs are not bright enough to satisfy this requirement
as far as I know, they need to put out 10 times as much light in every direction.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> No but check this out. LED lights combined with a great deal on a strobe
> package...Very, very cool!
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
One other thought having built my plane.....Get your wingtip lights and
landing lights (if wing mounted) early or at least know where your wires
need to run. I waited too long and had partially buttoned up wings waiting
for the strobe system so I knew where I could mount everything etc.
Frank
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| Subject: | Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
That's the situation I'm in. Bought a partially completed kit, came with the
strobes and everything, but he had already completely closed up the wings.
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
http://flyinprotege.com
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From: HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1) [mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com]
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
One other thought having built my plane.....Get your wingtip lights and
landing lights (if wing mounted) early or at least know where your wires
need to run. I waited too long and had partially buttoned up wings waiting
for the strobe system so I knew where I could mount everything etc.
Frank
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| Subject: | Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Not true, these are high output LEDs and never need changing. In fact they
are brighter than "normal" position lights.
Check the creative air link that does a complete landing, strobe and LED Nav
light kit. Pretty good for the price.
The issue with the Zod is you would need to fab a lense cover arrangement.
Frank
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
These will take care of the position light requirement but you still have to
have anti-collision lights (strobes) in addition to these, either the
Aeroflash units or some other brand. LEDs are not bright enough to satisfy
this requirement as far as I know, they need to put out 10 times as much
light in every direction.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> No but check this out. LED lights combined with a great deal on a
> strobe package...Very, very cool!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
Dan
I installed mine after closing the wings. Basically you just cut a hole in
the end of the wing and route the wires through a PVC pipe. Then make an
inspection cover to cover up the hole.
Randy Stout
CH 601 HD
n282rs@sbcglobal.net
http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
> How would one install lighting in a wing that is already closed up?
Someone
> once told me that the wires would have to be inserted into a plastic tube
> and run through the lightening holes in the ribs.
>
> Is there any better way without drilling out the rivets?
>
> Dan Knezacek
> CH-601 HD
> Phone: 705-722-7316
> Cell: 705-796-0020
> Fax: 705-722-1095
> www.drdino.com
> www.monolithic.com
> www.zenithair.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Your first post referred to the Killacycle site which only lists nav light kits.
I didn't see the link to the creativair site which has the strobes. I meant
that LEDs aren't bright enough to replace strobe lights, they are plenty bright
enough to replace standard nav lights.
Bryan Martin
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Not true, these are high output LEDs and never need changing. In fact they
> are brighter than "normal" position lights.
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Covert" <dave@thecoverts.com>
I am still waiting on my set of 701 plans... but while I wait, can anyone
tell me what the thickest guage of aluminum on the 701 is? and where it goes
(spar? ribs? seat pan?) What guage is most of the aluminum?
Dave
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