---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/17/04: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:05 AM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (wizard-24@juno.com) 2. 07:40 AM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (DEGlass1@aol.com) 3. 08:45 AM - Lewis and Clark Trail Flight (Stanley Challgren) 4. 09:07 AM - Joggling z-angles over the Longeron (caspainhower@aep.com) 5. 09:22 AM - Aircraft Lighting... (Bima, Martin) 6. 10:10 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 7. 11:47 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (Dan knezacek) 8. 12:00 PM - Re: Joggling z-angles over the Longeron (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 9. 12:22 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (strobes) (Carlos Sa) 10. 12:47 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (strobes) (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 11. 01:03 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 12. 01:12 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 13. 01:47 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 14. 02:16 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (Bill Cardell) 15. 02:48 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 16. 06:00 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (Randy Stout) 17. 07:14 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 18. 10:16 PM - Re: Metal guage (Dave Covert) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > One of my longerons wasn't quite the right shape either. It wasn't > too hard to adjust the bend to fit. I agree with Bryan -- I had to do the same thing. I used a bench vise and gradually modified the bend to fit. Mike Fortunato 601XL ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:03 AM PST US From: DEGlass1@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron --> Zenith-List message posted by: DEGlass1@aol.com Ray - This sounds like what happened to me, and I'll sheepishly describe the resolution... I successfully but with great difficulty re-formed my left bottom longeron to match the curve in the bottom skin, with the excess material extending past the front. An e-mail to Nick after that frustrating effort, and he responded very politely that the excess material is cut from the rear...and he didn't say what he must have been thinking about my intelligence. And I'll be damned if the right longeron didn't fit perfectly if fitted flush with the front of the skin. He said the photos and descriptions weren't clear, and has added a note to the 12/10/03 photo instructions revision. Bottom line: almost always, the parts fit. Just back up to the wider view if you have trouble. David 601XL partner: fuselage, gear, controls, panel Finishing the cabin area this week ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Lewis and Clark Trail Flight From: Stanley Challgren --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren Listers: I am planning a flight to follow the Lewis and Clark Trail from its beginning near St. Louis to its terminus on the Pacific coast. The flight will be in two stages; the first to coincide with their St. Louis departure on 14 May and ending in Mandan, ND where they camped the first winter. The second stage will be from Mandan to the Pacific coast and that is planned for next year. I anticipate 2-3 flights per day of about two hours each. I expect about 6-8 days for the 1600 mile trip which will include visits to some of the Lewis and Clark memorial sites along the way. If anyone needs information on what is planned I would suggest Lewis & Clark by Air written by Bob and Mike Webster. They flew an Aircam, which has a 60-80 mph cruise speed, at low altitude along the Lewis and Clark trail. Their flight took 70 hours in the air with one brother flying while the other took pictures. Their photos in the book and the accompanying CD capture the beauty of the Lewis and Clark Trail. More info on their book may be found at www.LewisAndClarkByAir.com where it can be purchased for $35. Undaunted Courage, Stephen Ambrose's book on Lewis and Clark, as well as Julie Fanselow's book, Traveling the Lewis and =C7lark Trail, may also be consulted. I plan to take a lot of pictures along the way so will need a copilot, photographer, or both to accompany me. Anyone building a 601 and planning on using the Jabiru 3300 would benefit greatly. More than one person could fill the role if a relief along the route can be effected. Anyone interested in accompanying me in my aircraft or in their own may contact me at my email address: >challgren@mac.com< Stan Challgren 303-674-6910 Zodiac 601 HDS/Jabiru 3300 150 hours ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:40 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Joggling z-angles over the Longeron From: caspainhower@aep.com 03/17/2004 12:07:27 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com Just when I thought all the kit parts were pre-joggled! I am just starting on the fusilage. How is the joggle properly formed for the 'Z' angles 6B1-7 and 6B5-2 over longeron 6B2-3? Craig S. N601XS, 601XL, 0-235 lyc, tail and wings done! This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... From: "Bima, Martin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" Hello All, What are the specs for the anti-collision light in the US/Canada (assuming that they are the same). What I have so far is ... RED, WHITE, or RED/WHITE 30 degrees above and below horizontal 360 degrees around Does anyone know what intensity is required? Thanks Martin Bima Winnipeg, Canada STOL-Vair 22% airframe complete Working on right wing ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:17 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" No but check this out. LED lights combined with a great deal on a strobe package...Very, very cool! Very reasonable cost, especially as the aeroflash stuff that ZAC has ben pedling has shown to be less than reliable...Not a big deal to replace capacitors providing you do it yourself, very bloody expensive if you send the power supplies back for "service". This is what I'm going for on my RV project. You will have to fashion some kind of housing...Think of this, the first time your light lens rolls off your wing and smashes, you'll wish you had done this...I know I did...:) http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bima, Martin Subject: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" Hello All, What are the specs for the anti-collision light in the US/Canada (assuming that they are the same). What I have so far is ... RED, WHITE, or RED/WHITE 30 degrees above and below horizontal 360 degrees around Does anyone know what intensity is required? Thanks Martin Bima Winnipeg, Canada STOL-Vair 22% airframe complete Working on right wing advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:51 AM PST US From: "Dan knezacek" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" SkySports has some interesting strobe light kits at very reasonable prices (Kuntzleman Smart Strobe) Does anyone have any idea of how reliable they are? http://www.airstuff.com/ How would one install lighting in a wing that is already closed up? Someone once told me that the wires would have to be inserted into a plastic tube and run through the lightening holes in the ribs. Is there any better way without drilling out the rivets? Dan Knezacek CH-601 HD Phone: 705-722-7316 Cell: 705-796-0020 Fax: 705-722-1095 www.drdino.com www.monolithic.com www.zenithair.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Joggling z-angles over the Longeron --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net You can cut a step in the end of a piece of 2 by 4 and hammer the Z angle into the step with a soft-faced hammer or just overhang the Z angle off the end of a board and hammer it into shape. It's not too critical. Bryan > --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com > > > How is the joggle properly formed for the 'Z' angles > 6B1-7 and 6B5-2 over longeron 6B2-3? > > Craig S. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:31 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... (strobes) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Hi, Dan It would seem the unit you refer to was designed for ultralights. The ones used in GA are more powerful (20 - 40 joules compared to 8). There is a lengthy discussion on strobes in the RV list, and probably on this list as well. You might want to search the archives. Carlos CH601-HD, plans > SkySports has some interesting strobe light kits at very reasonable prices > (Kuntzleman Smart Strobe) > > Does anyone have any idea of how reliable they are? > > http://www.airstuff.com/ > > How would one install lighting in a wing that is already closed up? Someone > once told me that the wires would have to be inserted into a plastic tube > and run through the lightening holes in the ribs. > > Is there any better way without drilling out the rivets? > > Dan Knezacek > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:17 PM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... (strobes) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" http://creativair.com/ This is the link I meant to send with cool lighting packages Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... (strobes) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Hi, Dan It would seem the unit you refer to was designed for ultralights. The ones used in GA are more powerful (20 - 40 joules compared to 8). There is a lengthy discussion on strobes in the RV list, and probably on this list as well. You might want to search the archives. Carlos CH601-HD, plans > SkySports has some interesting strobe light kits at very reasonable > prices (Kuntzleman Smart Strobe) > > Does anyone have any idea of how reliable they are? > > http://www.airstuff.com/ > > How would one install lighting in a wing that is already closed up? > Someone once told me that the wires would have to be inserted into a > plastic tube and run through the lightening holes in the ribs. > > Is there any better way without drilling out the rivets? > > Dan Knezacek > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:20 PM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Title 14: Aeronautics and Space PART 23AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: NORMAL, UTILITY, ACROBATIC, AND COMMUTER CATEGORY AIRPLANES Subpart FEquipment Lights 23.1401 Anticollision light system. The link to the rule: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=fed879ef32296371a3e39a2cc7d34243&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.9.6.102.34&idno=14 These are the current U. S. requirements. If your aircraft was certified at an earlier date, the regulations in effect at that time will apply. Get a copy of the Aircraft Spruce and Specialty catalog. Just before the section of the catalog where strobe light systems are listed is a very good description of the anti-collision light requirements including the requirements for aircraft certified at various times in the past. I don't know if the Canadian regulations are the same but, since the FAA has been adopting ICAO rules more and more in recent years, it's likely the Canadian rules are similar. Bryan Martin > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" > > Hello All, > > What are the specs for the anti-collision light in the US/Canada > (assuming that they are the same). > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:56 PM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net These will take care of the position light requirement but you still have to have anti-collision lights (strobes) in addition to these, either the Aeroflash units or some other brand. LEDs are not bright enough to satisfy this requirement as far as I know, they need to put out 10 times as much light in every direction. Bryan Martin > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > > > No but check this out. LED lights combined with a great deal on a strobe > package...Very, very cool! > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:13 PM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" One other thought having built my plane.....Get your wingtip lights and landing lights (if wing mounted) early or at least know where your wires need to run. I waited too long and had partially buttoned up wings waiting for the strobe system so I knew where I could mount everything etc. Frank ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:17 PM PST US From: Bill Cardell Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell That's the situation I'm in. Bought a partially completed kit, came with the strobes and everything, but he had already completely closed up the wings. Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad) bill@flyinmiata.com Flyin' Miata 1-800-359-6957 (sales only) 970-242-3800 (tech support) http://flyinmiata.com http://flyinprotege.com -----Original Message----- From: HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1) [mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com] Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" One other thought having built my plane.....Get your wingtip lights and landing lights (if wing mounted) early or at least know where your wires need to run. I waited too long and had partially buttoned up wings waiting for the strobe system so I knew where I could mount everything etc. Frank ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:36 PM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Not true, these are high output LEDs and never need changing. In fact they are brighter than "normal" position lights. Check the creative air link that does a complete landing, strobe and LED Nav light kit. Pretty good for the price. The issue with the Zod is you would need to fab a lense cover arrangement. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net These will take care of the position light requirement but you still have to have anti-collision lights (strobes) in addition to these, either the Aeroflash units or some other brand. LEDs are not bright enough to satisfy this requirement as far as I know, they need to put out 10 times as much light in every direction. Bryan Martin > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > > > No but check this out. LED lights combined with a great deal on a > strobe package...Very, very cool! > advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:56 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" Dan I installed mine after closing the wings. Basically you just cut a hole in the end of the wing and route the wires through a PVC pipe. Then make an inspection cover to cover up the hole. Randy Stout CH 601 HD n282rs@sbcglobal.net http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" > How would one install lighting in a wing that is already closed up? Someone > once told me that the wires would have to be inserted into a plastic tube > and run through the lightening holes in the ribs. > > Is there any better way without drilling out the rivets? > > Dan Knezacek > CH-601 HD > Phone: 705-722-7316 > Cell: 705-796-0020 > Fax: 705-722-1095 > www.drdino.com > www.monolithic.com > www.zenithair.com > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:52 PM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Your first post referred to the Killacycle site which only lists nav light kits. I didn't see the link to the creativair site which has the strobes. I meant that LEDs aren't bright enough to replace strobe lights, they are plenty bright enough to replace standard nav lights. Bryan Martin do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > > > Not true, these are high output LEDs and never need changing. In fact they > are brighter than "normal" position lights. > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:05 PM PST US From: "Dave Covert" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Metal guage --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Covert" I am still waiting on my set of 701 plans... but while I wait, can anyone tell me what the thickest guage of aluminum on the 701 is? and where it goes (spar? ribs? seat pan?) What guage is most of the aluminum? Dave I've stopped 4,636 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/