---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/18/04: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:18 AM - Metal guage (Ralph) 2. 01:29 AM - JPX engine, anyone? (Philip A. C.) 3. 01:47 AM - CH 640 Ordered plans today... (James Schulist) 4. 03:06 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (John Mireley) 5. 04:43 AM - Auxiliary Tanks (George F May) 6. 05:22 AM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (Ray Montagne) 7. 06:30 AM - Re: [jabiruengines] (Rick) 8. 07:47 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 9. 07:52 AM - job offer (Noel & Yoshie Simmons) 10. 08:43 AM - metal caliber (Gsrth@aol.com) 11. 09:04 AM - Flasher Unit Location? (Haas Michael (IFR TT DR)) 12. 09:43 AM - dual stick option/ (T. Graziano) 13. 10:33 AM - Re: Flasher Unit Location? (Tom Faulkner) 14. 11:04 AM - The Goose has flown! (Jon Croke) 15. 11:29 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (Dan knezacek) 16. 04:41 PM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (Randy Stout) 17. 06:21 PM - Re: metal caliber (Ihab A.B. Awad) 18. 07:01 PM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (Mark Stauffer) 19. 07:13 PM - Re: metal caliber (ronnie wehba) 20. 07:53 PM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (Ray Montagne) 21. 09:04 PM - Re: JPX engine, anyone? (Duane Evans) 22. 09:05 PM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (Mark Stauffer) 23. 09:55 PM - 601XL Heavy Wing and Performance Update (Weston and Judy Walker) 24. 11:21 PM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (Ray Montagne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:15 AM PST US From: "Ralph" Subject: Zenith-List: Metal guage --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ralph" 3/16 inch root spar to AC fitting is thickest on SP 1/8 th otherwise. Ralph ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:42 AM PST US From: "Philip A. C." Subject: Zenith-List: JPX engine, anyone? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip A. C." Does anyone out there have experience with a JPX 4 strokes engine? (even if it is not on a Zenith...) Thanks Philip ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:30 AM PST US From: "James Schulist" Subject: Zenith-List: CH 640 Ordered plans today... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "James Schulist" I know you all know the feeling, but I hafta say it anyway. I ordered my set of plans for the CH 640 today!!!! Once again I will be scratchbuilding and if any of you know of an easy to implement and update website style construction log system, I would appreciate hearing about it. If any of you have votes for other scratchbuilder's sites that you like and that I could copy, I would appreciate hearing of that , as well. Afterall, why reinvent the wheel when what I want is to build an airplane? As always, Thanks in advance, James "Dave" Schulist mrlassiter@wirefreeme.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:18 AM PST US From: John Mireley Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Mireley HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1) wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > > No but check this out. LED lights combined with a great deal on a strobe > package...Very, very cool! > That's a landing light and position light combination. The landing light is not included. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:37 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Auxiliary Tanks From: "George F May" 03/18/2004 07:40:05 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George F May" All- I have a set of extended range fuel tanks that I have decided I will not be incorporating into my 601XL. Originally I thought I'd use them but recognize now that I just won't be flying that far. They are new in the Box. If interested please email me off line or call me 603-560-1324. Asking $800 or BRO George May 601XL -tail complete- starting the wings ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:41 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 3/16/04 9:28 PM, "Ray Montagne" wrote: > Has anyone else encountered this problem and if so, how did you solve > re-bending the 6B2-3 bottom longeron? > > How are you scratch builders handling this? > Thanks to all on the list who responded to my query! I do not have the alignment issue where the rear lower longerons are to have excess material trimmed aft of the HT pieces. It is strictly an issue with the 6B2-3 longerons not being bent properly. I'll just work on "tuning" the bend a bit. Thanks again! DO NOT ARCHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:59 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Zenith-List: re: [jabiruengines] --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick >hi andy, > pulled up your website again and tried your suggestion, > no luck. i can not find an option to download. > bob noffs Probably a Javascript thing... here's the link: http://www.suncoastjabiru.com/Downloads.htm Definitely worth looking at! Thanks Andy Rick ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:25 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" On the creativeair link there are three packages I belive. One of those has has a landing lights for installation in small wing tips. The Zac tips would need to be modified however to make them fit. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Mireley Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Mireley HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1) wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > --> > > No but check this out. LED lights combined with a great deal on a > strobe package...Very, very cool! > That's a landing light and position light combination. The landing light is not included. advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:36 AM PST US From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" "Rv-List@Matronics. Com" , "Rv9-List@Matronics. Com" , "Rv8-List@Matronics. Com" , , , , , Subject: Zenith-List: job offer --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" I am posting this to all the RV lists so if you get duplicates dont be upset. It is that time for me at Blue Sky Aviation to add another set of experienced hands. I am looking for someone with prior building experience, A&P would be nice, along with private pilot ticket. Must be trustworthy, hard working, reliable, and a good eye for detail. If you are or know of someone, please have him or her give me a call or drop me an email. This is a full time permanent position and is available immediately. Sincerely, Noel Simmons Blue Sky Aviation, Inc. Phone & Fax: 406-538-6574 noel@blueskyaviation.net www.blueskyaviation.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:30 AM PST US From: Gsrth@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: metal caliber --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gsrth@aol.com Dave, the aluminum listed in the plans runs from .016 to .1875 and then some angle stuff and some steel. You will need a bunch of the .016, quite a bit of the .025 and not so much of the thicker stuff. But let me warn you, you can't buy a lot of the thicker stuff and then split it to make thinner stuff. I tried to split .040 thinking I could get some cheap .016 and .024, (which is almost .025). If it would have worked I could have saved some money, but it didn't turn out so good, so just follow the plans and buy what they say. There is an estimate of materials needed on the CD they will include with your plans. Good luck and like one guy said, be sure and buy some bandaids. Garth Dawson 701 rudder plus ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:00 AM PST US From: "Haas Michael (IFR TT DR)" Subject: Zenith-List: Flasher Unit Location? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Haas Michael (IFR TT DR)" We are in the process of building a Zenith 801 and are pondering where best to locate the flasher electronic units. There seem to be two opinions. Mount the flasher electronics in the wing tips (to make the wiring from the electronics to the strobe lights short in an effort to reduce the potential for popping/interference in the intercom/radio) or mount the electronics somewhere convenient, like under the seats (so that they can be serviced easily should something fail) and then run the cables from the fuselage to the wingtips. Is there a real advantage to either setup? Where are the units located in certified airplanes? Are properly grounded/shielded cables more important than cable length? Not that it matters, but we are using AeroFlash combination position and strobe units on the wing tips (the ones Zenith sells). Thanks for the Help, Michael Haas Zenith 801 50% Complete / 50% to Go ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:40 AM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Zenith-List: dual stick option/ --> Zenith-List message posted by: "T. Graziano" Mr. Horner, Could you let us know the outcome of your discussions with Nick. I also have the dual stick option. I seem to recall reading an NTSB report on an RV (- 6 I believe) was lost during take off a few years ago because the stick got stuck under the instrument panel. Tony Graziano 60lXL # 5342. completed: tail feathers, both flaps, both ailerons. Finsihing right wing. From: "mike honer" Subject: Zenith-List: dual stick option/parking brake --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mike honer" I just finished installing the dual stick option, and thought I would pass along a few comments... 6. The ZAC foto guide makes mention that the end of the stick might have to be trimmed if a big grip is used, in order for the stick to fit under the control panel. This was a real concern to me since the stick would not not fit under the panel in any case, and would need to be shortened by some 25 mm to do so, and the average neat- looking grip ranges from 100 to 125 mm in length.... (mumble, mumble, curse under breath... "not again"!.) Well, this is probably a non-issue, since it seems that the +/- 50 mm cable travel required for the +/- 30 degrees elevator travel is easily achieved without having the stick go under the control panel. The control panel becomes the down elevator stop. I have not yet talked to Nick about this, but I am convinced that this was another gaff in the instructions. Just don't put the motor kill switch on the front of the grip. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:17 AM PST US From: "Tom Faulkner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flasher Unit Location? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" In my 801 I put flasher units in the wing tips and added an inspection port to provide access. At the suggestion of my EAA technical advisor I also added 2 other inspection ports in each wing to allow inspection of the flaperon attach brackets. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:23 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: The Goose has flown! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Just received some stunning photos of Ben Haas' newly completed 801 .. the one with a V8! Hope to hear some reports soon from Ben.... Pics are posted at www.CH701.com Congrats to Ben Jon ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:47 AM PST US From: "Dan knezacek" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" Thanks Andy, What kind of PVC pipe? Do you mean the type used for plumbing or is there something lighter? What kind of diameter? How is the pipe attached so it won't move? Did you go through the lightening holes? Thanks, Dan CH-601 EA81 soob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Stout" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" > > Dan > > I installed mine after closing the wings. Basically you just cut a hole in > the end of the wing and route the wires through a PVC pipe. Then make an > inspection cover to cover up the hole. > > Randy Stout > CH 601 HD > n282rs@sbcglobal.net > http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:10 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" > > What kind of PVC pipe? Do you mean the type used for plumbing or is there > something lighter? What kind of diameter? > > How is the pipe attached so it won't move? Did you go through the > lightening holes? I used some flexible 1/2" plastic conduit that I bought at Home Depot. You can use most anything that will protect the wire and stay put. As far as weight, you have to decide if you want to pull all the rivets in the wing or add a couple of pounds. Look around, you might be able to find something lighter. If you cut your access hole in line with the forward lightening hole on the rear rib, you can slide the pipe all the way through to the center wing. It's only attached on the ends. I made some L angles about 1" long and riveted them just under the lightening hole. Then you can use adel clamps to attach it the L's. Randy Stout CH 601 HD n282rs@sbcglobal.net http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:08 PM PST US From: "Ihab A.B. Awad" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: metal caliber --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ihab A.B. Awad" On Thursday 18 March 2004 08:43, Gsrth@aol.com wrote: > ... But let me warn you, you can't buy a lot of the thicker stuff and > then split it to make thinner stuff. I tried to split .040 thinking I > could get some cheap .016 and .024, (which is almost .025). ... I have to ask: how do you split .040 6061 sheet??? Peace, I DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:39 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" David, Thank you for posting this. I'm just about to get to that point and this little bit of information will help greatly. Another little manual flaw is when the manual says the cutoff from the aft end of the rear bottom longerons will be used as a doubler when it is way too short. It finally dawned on me tonight that maybe they actually made and sent those doublers with the kit and sure enough they did. Sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees...... Mark 601XL Working on fuselage Odenton, MD -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DEGlass1@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron --> Zenith-List message posted by: DEGlass1@aol.com Ray - This sounds like what happened to me, and I'll sheepishly describe the resolution... I successfully but with great difficulty re-formed my left bottom longeron to match the curve in the bottom skin, with the excess material extending past the front. An e-mail to Nick after that frustrating effort, and he responded very politely that the excess material is cut from the rear...and he didn't say what he must have been thinking about my intelligence. And I'll be damned if the right longeron didn't fit perfectly if fitted flush with the front of the skin. He said the photos and descriptions weren't clear, and has added a note to the 12/10/03 photo instructions revision. Bottom line: almost always, the parts fit. Just back up to the wider view if you have trouble. David 601XL partner: fuselage, gear, controls, panel Finishing the cabin area this week ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:59 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: metal caliber required 5, BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_MONKEY_DSBL) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" HUH?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ihab A.B. Awad" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: metal caliber > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ihab A.B. Awad" > > > On Thursday 18 March 2004 08:43, Gsrth@aol.com wrote: > > ... But let me warn you, you can't buy a lot of the thicker stuff and > > then split it to make thinner stuff. I tried to split .040 thinking I > > could get some cheap .016 and .024, (which is almost .025). ... > > I have to ask: how do you split .040 6061 sheet??? > > Peace, > > I > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 3/18/04 7:01 PM, "Mark Stauffer" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" > > Thank you for posting this. I'm just about to get to that point and this > little bit of information will help greatly. > I think what David missed was steps 12 and 14 on page 2 of the fuselage building sequence which states: 12. Layout 1335 mm on the centerline from the front edge of the bottom skin. With a square mark the edge of the skin: This marks the front edge of the Rear Longeron 6B2-1. 14. Cut the end of the Longeron 6b2-1 flush with the end of the end skin 6B1-3. In addition, the drawing shows Longeron 6b2-3 butting up against 6B2-1 at the 1335 mm line aft of the front end of the bottom skin and joined end to end with 6b2-2 reinforcing the joint. DO NOT ARCHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:09 PM PST US From: "Duane Evans" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: JPX engine, anyone? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Duane Evans" Philip I ordered jpx engine from Leroy with a 2 mo delivery. after 8 mos. still no engine . they were having problems at factory. I don't know if they ever solved the problems. But it is french made and I wouldn't buy any thing from them. Duane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip A. C." Subject: Zenith-List: JPX engine, anyone? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip A. C." > > Does anyone out there have experience with a JPX 4 strokes engine? (even if > it is not on a Zenith...) > > Thanks > > Philip > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:26 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" Ray, I laid my rear longerons out just as stated in the manual (exactly what you have below) Now, if I take the bottom longeron (6B2-3) and butt it up against the rear longeron at the splice (so that the excess 50mm hangs off the front of the bottom skin) then the bend of the bottom longeron does not match the way the skin is cut. BUT, if you place the bottom longeron (6B2-3) flush with the front edge of the skin the bend matches perfectly with the way the skin is cut, at least in my kit. Yes, you will have to trim off about 50mm of excess material (at the joint/splice) for the bottom longeron to butt up against the rear longeron at the 1335mm mark. In other words I believe the plans are incorrect. 6B-2, middle left, "trim longeron flush with the edge of the skin" should be "trim longeron flush to the edge of 6B2-1 at the rear bottom longeron splice" of something to that effect. Try it and see if it makes a difference. Then again the parts could be wrong, it's happened before. Regards Mark Stauffer 601XL do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ray Montagne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 3/18/04 7:01 PM, "Mark Stauffer" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" > > Thank you for posting this. I'm just about to get to that point and this > little bit of information will help greatly. > I think what David missed was steps 12 and 14 on page 2 of the fuselage building sequence which states: 12. Layout 1335 mm on the centerline from the front edge of the bottom skin. With a square mark the edge of the skin: This marks the front edge of the Rear Longeron 6B2-1. 14. Cut the end of the Longeron 6b2-1 flush with the end of the end skin 6B1-3. In addition, the drawing shows Longeron 6b2-3 butting up against 6B2-1 at the 1335 mm line aft of the front end of the bottom skin and joined end to end with 6b2-2 reinforcing the joint. DO NOT ARCHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:35 PM PST US From: "Weston and Judy Walker" Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Heavy Wing and Performance Update --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston and Judy Walker" After my 27 January first flight of my 601XL with a Jabiru 3300 and GT prop, I wrote that I had a heavy left wing. I wanted to give some update for those who offered help and for those who may face similar problems. The heart of the problem is that I made a mistake in attaching my wings/setting their incidence. I figured the only purpose for the "Aileron Deflection Template" (6-S-3) was to set the aileron deflection. Bad assumption on my part. I used my high school son's trig skills to find the measurement for setting the aileron deflection, so I didn't make the template. I got the deflection right. However, I missed that the aileron deflection template is also used to set the wing's incidence. It is so obvious now, I can't believe I missed it earlier. Anyway, I started by removing the right flap, so I could remove the AN5 bolt that attaches the rear wing channel to the 6B5-4 attach plate. I raised the back of the right wing several mm to what I thought would make them even. I drilled a new hole for the AN5 bolt about a half inch away from the old (now offset) hole. I replaced the flap and flew again. The problem was less bad, but I still couldn't trim the plane with full aileron trim. So I did the same treatment to the left wing, though moved it the opposite direction. This time I used an inclinometer to compare the incidence of the two wings. I thought I had them even. I still have a heavy left wing, but I can now trim it for hands off flight. However, I'm using almost full trim to do so. I've decided to not make further adjustments until I fly at full gross weight and see what happens. I'm also having to use almost full nose up trim. As best I can tell, my horizontal stabilizer is parallel with the top longerons. However, the problem may be in the incidence of my wings; even though they are now more evenly matched, they are probably a bit off of the design incidence. I've decided to not tackle this problem until I've flown at full aft CG. Here is a helpful idea for those who have not yet finished their XL wings/flaps. My plans (6W1, 1st 02/01) call for cutting the flap hinge pin short and safety wiring each end to keep the pin from working its way out. This is what I did. It also means that the flaps cannot be removed by pulling the hinge pin, because there is not enough clearance between the flap control tube and the inboard end of the hinge to push the pin outboard. Thus, I had to drill about 50 rivets to remove a flap. If I ever drill a flap out again, I plan to get a new hinge pin and cut it long on the outboard end. I'll put an L bend on the outboard end and find a way to safety wire it. Then I will be able to pull the pin out if I ever need access again. Here is an update on my performance numbers. Today my GPS groundspeed averaged on reciprocal headings was 109 knots. RPM was 2850, what Jabiru claims as about 75% power. OAT was about 20 deg C. Pressure altitude was 3200, for a density altitude of about 4500. A few days ago Vy (73 KIAS) produced a climb rate of 1100 feet at 2500 density altitude. The above tests were at a load of about 1150 lbs. The speed isn't quite what Zenith claims, but I didn't really believe the claim anyway. However, I will probably gain a little by getting my nose wheel pant finished and on; I already have the main gear pants on. I've flown 16.1 hours. The Jabiru hasn't missed a beat nor had a hiccup. The cooling looks like it has enough margin that it will probably handle Texas summertime temps. Fuel burn has been around 5.5-6.0 gph (mixed cruise, patterns, climb tests). Overall, I'm very pleased with the performance of my Jabiru 3300 powered XL. I can't wait to finish my 40 test hours and start taking passengers and longer flights. It's a blast to finally have my own aircraft. Weston Walker N454WA ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 3/18/04 9:04 PM, "Mark Stauffer" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" > > Ray, > > I laid my rear longerons out just as stated in the manual (exactly what you > have below) Now, if I take the bottom longeron (6B2-3) and butt it up > against the rear longeron at the splice (so that the excess 50mm hangs off > the front of the bottom skin) then the bend of the bottom longeron does not > match the way the skin is cut. BUT, if you place the bottom longeron (6B2-3) > flush with the front edge of the skin the bend matches perfectly with the > way the skin is cut, at least in my kit. Yes, you will have to trim off > about 50mm of excess material (at the joint/splice) for the bottom longeron > to butt up against the rear longeron at the 1335mm mark. > > In other words I believe the plans are incorrect. 6B-2, middle left, "trim > longeron flush with the edge of the skin" should be "trim longeron flush to > the edge of 6B2-1 at the rear bottom longeron splice" of something to that > effect. > > Try it and see if it makes a difference. Then again the parts could be > wrong, it's happened before. > > Regards > > Mark Stauffer > 601XL > > do not archive > Hi Mark, Seems your 6B2-3 is cut different than mine. There is no excess on mine. Lined up with the front skin, the rear end of 6B2-3 meets the 1335 mm line exactly but the bend is incorrect (at least on the right side) with about a 10 or 12 mm gap at the apex of the bend. I'd rather have your problem with the need to trim the piece then my problem of needing to trim the bend. My guess is we've experienced different ends of the manufacturing limits. Oh well... DO NOT ARCHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA