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1. 12:27 AM - Re: metal caliber (Ralph)
2. 02:10 AM - Re: JPX engine, anyone? (Philip A. C.)
3. 04:27 AM - Re: metal caliber (jnbolding1)
4. 04:42 AM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (caspainhower@aep.com)
5. 04:53 AM - Metal splitting (Gsrth@aol.com)
6. 05:41 AM - Re: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (Mark Stauffer)
7. 06:01 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (Scott Laughlin)
8. 06:49 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (PVC tube) (Carlos Sa)
9. 07:11 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (Dan knezacek)
10. 07:12 AM - Re: Aircraft Lighting... (PVC tube) (Scott Laughlin)
11. 02:00 PM - Re: Metal splitting (Flydog1966@aol.com)
12. 02:11 PM - Re: 601XL Heavy Wing and Performance Update (Flydog1966@aol.com)
13. 02:44 PM - Re: Metal splitting (Boss)
14. 05:09 PM - Metal Splitting 101....... (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com)
15. 05:19 PM - Re:Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron (Bob Carlson)
16. 05:30 PM - Re: Metal Splitting 101....... (Ihab A.B. Awad)
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| Subject: | Re: metal caliber |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ralph" <llewellyn@tinet.ie>
Dave
In My opinion Zenith underestimated the amount of .025 by at least 1 sheet I
bought 2 extra sheets.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: JPX engine, anyone? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip A. C." <paclimited@hotmail.com>
Duane,
I've got a mail from JPX yesterday, telling me that they've discontinued the
75HP and 90HP engines. I think that pretty much answers my own first post...
Philip
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| Subject: | Re: metal caliber |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>On Thursday 18 March 2004 08:43, Gsrth@aol.com wrote:
>> ... But let me warn you, you can't buy a lot of the thicker stuff and
>> then split it to make thinner stuff. I tried to split .040 thinking I
>> could get some cheap .016 and .024, (which is almost .025). ...
>
>I have to ask: how do you split .040 6061 sheet???
VERY Carefully my friend, VERY carefully LOW&SLOW John
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| Subject: | Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron |
03/19/2004 07:42:16 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Mark,
I have a fairly recent version of the photo manual. It took a bit to
figure out but the piece that is cut off is used as a shim on top of the
rear longeron to make up for the difference in thickness.
Craig S.
N601XS
>Another little manual flaw is when the manual says the cutoff from the aft
>end of the rear bottom longerons will be used as a doubler when it is way
>too short. It finally dawned on me tonight that maybe they actually made
and
>sent those doublers with the kit and sure enough they did. Sometimes I
can't
>see the forest for the trees......
>Mark
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gsrth@aol.com
I have to ask: how do you split .040 6061 sheet???
Peace
Thats the problem I haven't solved yet. I think maybe I need to get it
hotter.
Garth
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| Subject: | Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
Son of a gun! Thank you for pointing that out, it all makes sense now. I
would have probably completely missed that.
Mark Stauffer
601XL Tail finished, working on fuselage
Odenton, MD
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Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Mark,
I have a fairly recent version of the photo manual. It took a bit to
figure out but the piece that is cut off is used as a shim on top of the
rear longeron to make up for the difference in thickness.
Craig S.
N601XS
>Another little manual flaw is when the manual says the cutoff from the aft
>end of the rear bottom longerons will be used as a doubler when it is way
>too short. It finally dawned on me tonight that maybe they actually made
and
>sent those doublers with the kit and sure enough they did. Sometimes I
can't
>see the forest for the trees......
>Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Dan:
Here's what I did:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/3_1_04_SomePlumbing.JPG
It's thin-wall, 1/2" pvc. I attached it with a .025" bracket and a few
rivets. It's elevated so that it can't flex and touch the ribs. I used a
Unibit to drill the holes. One of the steps was real close to the OD of the
PVC, but a little too small so I used a round file to open the hole ever so
slightly for a tight fit. I used a little JB weld on each end to make sure
it wouldn't come loose. I can send you some close-up photos if you want.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
Thanks Andy,
What kind of PVC pipe? Do you mean the type used for plumbing or is there
something lighter? What kind of diameter?
How is the pipe attached so it won't move? Did you go through the
lightening holes?
Thanks,
Dan
CH-601 EA81 soob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Dan
>
> I installed mine after closing the wings. Basically you just cut a hole
in
> the end of the wing and route the wires through a PVC pipe. Then make an
> inspection cover to cover up the hole.
>
> Randy Stout
> CH 601 HD
> n282rs@sbcglobal.net
> http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Lighting... (PVC tube) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Scott
Any possibility that, with vibration, the .025" bracket will cut into the pipe?
Carlos
do not archive
> Here's what I did:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/3_1_04_SomePlumbing.JPG
>
> It's thin-wall, 1/2" pvc. I attached it with a .025" bracket and a few
> rivets. It's elevated so that it can't flex and touch the ribs. I used a
> Unibit to drill the holes. One of the steps was real close to the OD of the
> PVC, but a little too small so I used a round file to open the hole ever so
> slightly for a tight fit. I used a little JB weld on each end to make sure
> it wouldn't come loose. I can send you some close-up photos if you want.
>
> Scott Laughlin
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Lighting... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
Thanks Scott,
That would be really appreciated.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Dan:
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/3_1_04_SomePlumbing.JPG
>
> It's thin-wall, 1/2" pvc. I attached it with a .025" bracket and a few
> rivets. It's elevated so that it can't flex and touch the ribs. I used a
> Unibit to drill the holes. One of the steps was real close to the OD of
the
> PVC, but a little too small so I used a round file to open the hole ever
so
> slightly for a tight fit. I used a little JB weld on each end to make
sure
> it wouldn't come loose. I can send you some close-up photos if you want.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting...
> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:29:32 -0500
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
>
> Thanks Andy,
>
> What kind of PVC pipe? Do you mean the type used for plumbing or is there
> something lighter? What kind of diameter?
>
> How is the pipe attached so it won't move? Did you go through the
> lightening holes?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
> CH-601 EA81 soob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting...
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > I installed mine after closing the wings. Basically you just cut a hole
> in
> > the end of the wing and route the wires through a PVC pipe. Then make
an
> > inspection cover to cover up the hole.
> >
> > Randy Stout
> > CH 601 HD
> > n282rs@sbcglobal.net
> > http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21/index.html
> >
>
>
> Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Lighting... (PVC tube) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Carlos:
Good point, but I don't think so. I suppose the .025" ribs will cut
throught the soft rubber grommets eventually too. PVC is pretty strong and
it's a tight fit, so there won't be any shaking of the PVC inside the hole.
Thanks for the comments.
Scott.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aircraft Lighting... (PVC tube)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Scott
Any possibility that, with vibration, the .025" bracket will cut into the
pipe?
Carlos
do not archive
> Here's what I did:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/3_1_04_SomePlumbing.JPG
>
> It's thin-wall, 1/2" pvc. I attached it with a .025" bracket and a few
> rivets. It's elevated so that it can't flex and touch the ribs. I used
a
> Unibit to drill the holes. One of the steps was real close to the OD of
the
> PVC, but a little too small so I used a round file to open the hole ever
so
> slightly for a tight fit. I used a little JB weld on each end to make
sure
> it wouldn't come loose. I can send you some close-up photos if you want.
>
> Scott Laughlin
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| Subject: | Re: Metal splitting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
In a message dated 3/19/04 7:54:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, Gsrth@aol.com
writes:
<< I have to ask: how do you split .040 6061 sheet???
Peace
Thats the problem I haven't solved yet. I think maybe I need to get
it
hotter.
Garth >>
I had no luck making it hotter. I finally got good results by using good
sharp
tools.
Philandering Phil
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Heavy Wing and Performance Update |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
In a message dated 3/19/04 12:56:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
westonjudy@earthlink.net writes:
<< so I could remove the AN5
bolt that attaches the rear wing channel to the 6B5-4 attach plate. I
raised the back of the right wing several mm to what I thought would
make them even. I drilled a new hole for the AN5 bolt about a half inch
away from the old (now offset) hole. I replaced the flap and flew >>
Carefull now. If I'm not mistaken(and often am) you need 3X that
holes diameter, between the center of it, and the old hole. 5/16th X 3= 15/16"
Pretty close to 1 inch. This bolt holds your wing on?
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Metal splitting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Boss" <bossone@cox.net>
Now try to split it so that it is .o16 on one end and .040 on the other
----- Original Message -----
From: <Flydog1966@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Metal splitting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/19/04 7:54:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, Gsrth@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << I have to ask: how do you split .040 6061 sheet???
>
> Peace
>
> Thats the problem I haven't solved yet. I think maybe I need to
get
> it
> hotter.
> Garth >>
>
> I had no luck making it hotter. I finally got good results by using
good
> sharp
> tools.
> Philandering Phil
>
>
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| Subject: | Metal Splitting 101....... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
In order to clear the air concerning the "metal splitting" posts,
and all seriousness aside, the complete instructions are listed
for all those unfortunates who missed, or ignored, them last time.
Firstly, one should procure sufficient 6061-T6.
Secondly, one should engage a helper who can be trusted to keep his mouth
shut.
Finally, one should have a large open workspace.
Lengthwise is considered to be the conventional angle of attack.
The process works well IF it is done under controlled conditions in the
Northern hemisphere, west of the 75th meridian.
One should securely attach a complete covering of duck tape to BOTH sides of
the metal, then, with an assistant holding the tape on the intended "thin"
side, pull sharply on the tape stuck to the other side.
This will produce four sides with very little middle in between.
Be sure to spot-check your work with an accurate micrometer. Some filing may
be required around the edges. Excess sticky stuff may be removed with WD-40.
Wear ear plugs, safety goggles and thick mittens, as translucent aluminum is
somewhat unstable below 50,000 feet in a nitrogen-rich atmosphere.
Reserve kind remarks for later.
And a note for whoever it was that suggested the metal roller from Harbor
Freight:
Thanks, I got one, and it was on sale as you mentioned. I had begun to
worry, it had been five weeks since I ordered it, and then one day the mail carrier
waltzed in carrying a 61-pound (yes SIXTY-ONE pounds) package. Nearly
weighed as much as she did. Harbor Freight has apparently researched the U.S.
Postal Service regulations very well. The Postage was US$3.58 as a "bulk mail"
item.
Zed Smith
701/R912/90%/etc
do not archive, not never!!
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| Subject: | Re:Bending 601XL 6B2-3 Bottom Longeron |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Carlson" <a300cpt@bellsouth.net>
To those interested in avoiding this problem use the longerons to mark the
bottom skin before you cut it. The distance will not be always be a
perfect 10 mm but it will be very close. I used this method and ended up
cutting off a little in the front and the majority in the back. The skin is
a perfect fit on the longeron. As a general rule I read the ZAC instuctions
with an eye for doing things in a slightly different order to avoid these
problems.
Bob Carlson
lower fuselage skin done ,
wings and tail done
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| Subject: | Re: Metal Splitting 101....... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ihab A.B. Awad" <ihab@ahc.umn.edu>
On Friday 19 March 2004 17:08, ZSMITH3rd@aol.com wrote:
> In order to clear the air concerning the "metal splitting" posts,
> and all seriousness aside, the complete instructions are listed
> for all those unfortunates who missed, or ignored, them last time.
Will you all cut it out!! You folks are doing a ** lousy ** job of convincing
my wife that homebuilt aviation is a safe family hobby. I need to find a
different gang. (Do RV-ers also split their aluminum, I wonder? Or do they
limit themselves to shaving rivets?) Peace,
Ihab
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