---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/06/04: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:11 AM - Alternator (Larry Martin) 2. 06:46 AM - Re: Pitot hose (Mike Fothergill) 3. 07:44 AM - Re: Pitot hose (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 4. 11:04 AM - Sun N Fun Attendees (Scott Laughlin) 5. 11:06 AM - Re: alternator regulators was fuel level (Trampas) 6. 12:06 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) 7. 12:17 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Jon Croke) 8. 12:24 PM - Sun-n-Fun (Tom Faulkner) 9. 01:47 PM - Sun-n-Fun (PHFD400@aol.com) 10. 02:39 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Fred or Sandy Hulen) 11. 02:51 PM - Re: Corvair (Dave & Darlene) 12. 04:45 PM - Re: Pitot hose (Jeffrey Davidson) 13. 05:22 PM - Re: Pitot hose (royt.or@netzero.com) 14. 06:06 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Robin Gould) 15. 06:42 PM - Sun N Fun Attendees (Stephen Johnston) 16. 06:52 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Larry McFarland) 17. 07:10 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Mark Stauffer) 18. 07:12 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Mark Stauffer) 19. 07:33 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (wscribb) 20. 07:52 PM - Re: Pitot hose (Jim and Lucy) 21. 08:54 PM - Re: Pitot hose (Bryan Martin) 22. 09:15 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Brett Ray) 23. 09:18 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Brett Ray) 24. 10:59 PM - Re: Corvair (Sean C. Caranna) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:41 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Zenith-List: Alternator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" For general information. I finally found the right alternator I've been looking for. It's out of a 86 Toyota Tercel, uses a serpentine belt, built in regulator, weighs 8 lbs. In case someone wants to buy one from an autoparts store, the re-builder's part number is 14843 . They are expensive, about $130 plus core. I found mine at a bone yard for $30, then had it tested at an autoparts. Take a look, www.gyrostabs.com --- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:49 AM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pitot hose --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill Hi Jim; 1/4" is certainly big enough. Even 3/16 will work which gives a slight weight saving. Mike UHS Spinners Jim and Lucy wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy > > What size pitot lines are being used > Is 1/4 inch big enough. I thought I would > get a box of tygon and run it through with > that. Would that work. > > thanks > > Jim Pollard > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:30 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pitot hose --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" 1/4 is more than adequate...If you think about it a pitot hose is not flowing any air so even a 1/16th hose would work...Unless you got water in it or tried to connect it to the 1/4" connections on the instruments that is...:) Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim and Lucy Subject: Zenith-List: Pitot hose --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy What size pitot lines are being used Is 1/4 inch big enough. I thought I would get a box of tygon and run it through with that. Would that work. thanks Jim Pollard ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:34 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Fellow Builders: I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend Sun N Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and the days you plan to attend. I'll Start: Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:04 AM PST US From: "Trampas" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: alternator regulators was fuel level --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trampas" To clear things up a bit... There are two types of alternators out there. One is the field based alternator and the second is a permanent magnet alternator. The field based alternator is regulated by changing the field current to control the magnet field in the alternator which then regulates the output voltage/current. Advantage is light weight, high current output, great efficiency. Disadvantage is that most will not work with a completely dead battery. This is the alternator used in most cars today. The permanent magnet alternators work by having permanent magnets for fields. In this case the faster you turn the alternator the more power and voltage you get from alternator. Thus you need an external regulator to regulate the power. Theses regulators are usually very inefficient and generate a lot of heat, especially at high RPMs. The permanent magnet alternators have the advantage of being simpler and will operate with a 100% dead battery. Disadvantage is weight, and usually lower output current. Also it is more common for this type of alternator to have regulator problems. Trampas www.sterntech.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:34 PM PST US From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fellow Builders: I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend Sun N Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and the days you plan to attend. I'll Start: Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2 Friday. ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:15 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Jon Croke Friday & Saturday (Scott, gonna miss ya!) > > > Fellow Builders: > > I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend Sun N > Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and the > days you plan to attend. > > I'll Start: > > Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:27 PM PST US From: "Tom Faulkner" Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-n-Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" I will be there on Thurs & Friday with Phil Hecht. We are nearing completion on an 801 with Eggenfellner Subaru H6 engine. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:53 PM PST US From: PHFD400@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-n-Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: PHFD400@aol.com I will be flying my 601HDS in this weekend park it in the homebuilt area and will be camping most of the week in the main campground. It's only a 25 minute flight from my homeport. Jim Olson Palm Harbor, FL N56BJ 230+ hours http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo37.html ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:16 PM PST US From: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" Weather permitting, I'll be there too. 1160 statue miles with a stop in Arkansas to visit friends. Fred Hulen ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:11 PM PST US From: "Dave & Darlene" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" Hi Just so you know I live in Canada where you have to pretty much double what you boys pay. I had talked to William and know what it's worht in the US. $59. He told me it was $89 US. Now I know he deserves all of it for what he's done but I work hard for my money and was just trying to cut some costs in building this XL. That's All. If I have to get it from William then I will. I just thought there might be someone out here who is done with their's Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean C. Caranna" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Sean C. Caranna" > > Dave, > > The manual is cheep, $59 on his web site at > http://www.flycorvair.com/products.html if anyone deserves to make $59 for > they're hard work it's William. I'm buying the manual next week; a friend I > work with showed me his copy, well worth the price. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:04 PM PST US From: "Jeffrey Davidson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pitot hose --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Davidson" Jim, If you are going to use tygon tubing, check the archives for "tygon tube and rubber grommets" or similar. I believe that Don Honabach posted some problems with interaction between rubber grommets and tygon. He found deterioration of the tubing where rubber grommets were used to secure the tubing. Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:28 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Pitot hose From: royt.or@netzero.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com Jim. Van's has a pitot static kit with hose for $18.50 The static ports are pop rivets with the mandrel pushed out. This had plenty of hose for my CH601HDS. see http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1081295509-272-9&browse=airframe&product=static-kit Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 179hrs Jim Pollard asked: What size pitot lines are being used Is 1/4 inch big enough. I thought I would get a box of tygon and run it through with that. Would that work. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:22 PM PST US From: Robin Gould Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robin Gould --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fellow Builders: I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend Sun N Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and the days you plan to attend. I'll Start: Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2 Friday. Jon Croke - Friday & Saturday Jim Olson - Fly in 601HDS camp most of week, in the main campground Fred Hulen - Fly in weather permitting Robin Gould - Friday, Saturday and Sunday ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:32 PM PST US From: "Stephen Johnston" Subject: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen Johnston" I will be there Thursday Friday and Saturday. Steve Johnston CH701 65% done ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:11 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Gould" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robin Gould > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > > Fellow Builders: > > I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend Sun N > > Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and the > > days you plan to attend. > > I'll Start: > > Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday > Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2 Friday. > Jon Croke - Friday & Saturday > Jim Olson - Fly in 601HDS camp most of week, in the main campground > Fred Hulen - Fly in weather permitting > Robin Gould - Friday, Saturday and Sunday > Larry McFarland-Wednesday and Thursday > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:03 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" Mark Stauffer Tuesday - Friday Mark Stauffer 601XL Tail finished, working on fuselage Odenton, MD Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Laughlin Subject: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Fellow Builders: I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend Sun N Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and the days you plan to attend. I'll Start: Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:47 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" > Fellow Builders: > > I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend Sun N > > Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and the > > days you plan to attend. > > I'll Start: > > Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday > Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2 Friday. > Jon Croke - Friday & Saturday > Jim Olson - Fly in 601HDS camp most of week, in the main campground > Fred Hulen - Fly in weather permitting > Robin Gould - Friday, Saturday and Sunday > Larry McFarland-Wednesday and Thursday > Mark Stauffer - Tuesday thru Friday (all weather permitting) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:48 PM PST US From: "wscribb" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "wscribb" Hello fellow Builders, My father and I will be making the trip down from Seattle, WA. We plan on spending Thursday through Saturday wondering around. We'll check in at the Zenith display on a regular basis. Do hope to met some of you. Bill Cribb 601XL getting closer N601WC (reserved) Fellow Builders: I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend Sun N Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and the days you plan to attend. I'll Start: Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2 Friday. ------------------------------------------------- == == == == ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:44 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pitot hose --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy At 07:40 PM 4/6/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Davidson" > > > I believe that Don Honabach posted some >problems with interaction between rubber grommets and tygon. He found >deterioration of the tubing where rubber grommets were used to secure the >tubing. > Jeff Davidson Now that you mention that I remember something about that now. Good point!! Ill have to check into that. I know there are many variants of tygon. Maybe nylon bushings will be better. I was going to use adel clamps for most of the holders but they are some kind of black rubber also. Jim ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pitot hose From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 4/6/04 10:51 PM, Jim and Lucy at jpollard@mnsi.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy > > At 07:40 PM 4/6/2004 -0400, you wrote: > Why Use Tygon? Polyethylene or Nylon will work just as well, costs less than half as much and can be found at most hardware or builder supply stores. You are only dealing with about 1 PSI. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Panel and engine installed. Nearly done. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:29 PM PST US From: "Brett Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" I'll be there the whole time. I have the test time off the Harley so I guess I will be flying it down. I will be in booth #58 in the ultralights. I hope everyone gets a chance to stop by. Brett Ray ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:00 PM PST US From: "Brett Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" I'll be there the whole time. I have the test time off the Harley so I guess I will be flying it down. I will be in booth #58 in the ultralights. I hope everyone gets a chance to stop by. Brett Ray ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:33 PM PST US From: "Sean C. Caranna" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Sean C. Caranna" Dave, I'm all for saving money! I guess if I were a rich man I would just go buy a Lycoming and be done with it. Have you tried http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft