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1. 03:45 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Lowell Metz)
2. 03:47 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Thilo Kind)
3. 04:17 AM - Re: Sun'N'Fun (caspainhower@aep.com)
4. 04:52 AM - Re: Corvair (Dave Kubassek)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: Integrity of this List (Dave Austin)
6. 06:10 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Jeff Page)
7. 06:28 AM - Re: Integrity of this List (SUN-N-FUN ATTENDEE LIST) (Scott Laughlin)
8. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Corvair (Sean C.Caranna)
9. 06:55 AM - Re: disconnect switch (Bob Miller)
10. 07:50 AM - Re: Integrity of this List (SUN-N-FUN ATTENDEE LIST) (Robert Schoenberger)
11. 08:03 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (nhulin)
12. 08:42 AM - ch701 elevator trim questions (ray.stlaurent@vsea.com)
13. 09:08 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Brenton Battles)
14. 09:24 AM - Sun'n Fun Attendee List (Scott Laughlin)
15. 09:42 AM - snf (John)
16. 10:39 AM - Main contactor (Leo J. Corbalis)
17. 12:25 PM - Cadd Drawings (Dave & Darlene)
18. 12:32 PM - Re: Cadd Drawings (tongaloa)
19. 01:47 PM - Zodiac Subaru cowling and engine mount for sale (Paul Hartl)
20. 06:04 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Mark Stauffer)
21. 06:36 PM - Re: ch701 elevator trim questions (Chesterman Family)
22. 09:33 PM - construction order (john butterfield)
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Attendees |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer"
<mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
>
> > Fellow Builders:
> >
> > I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend
> Sun N
> >
> > Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name
and
> the
> >
> > days you plan to attend.
> >
> > I'll Start:
> >
> > Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday
> > Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2 Friday.
> > Jon Croke - Friday & Saturday
> > Jim Olson - Fly in 601HDS camp most of week, in the main campground
> > Fred Hulen - Fly in weather permitting
> > Robin Gould - Friday, Saturday and Sunday
> > Larry McFarland-Wednesday and Thursday
> > Mark Stauffer - Tuesday thru Friday (all weather permitting)
> Lowell Metz - Sunday 11th thru Monday19th
>
> Do not archive
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Attendees |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi folks,
I will fly into Philadelphia on the 13th and drive down to Lakeland - should
be there on the 15th. Will stay until Saturday. Hope to see lots of Zodiacs.
Later
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Fellow Builders:
>
> I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend Sun
N
> Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and
the
> days you plan to attend.
>
> I'll Start:
>
> Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday
>
>
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uly 24, 2002) at04/07/2004 07:16:26 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
<I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend Sun
N
<Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and
the
<days you plan to attend.
<I'll Start:
<Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday
I plan to attend Friday or possibly Saturday.
Craig S.
N601XS
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
The other reason i went Lycoming was not because of "Rich" but quite the
opposite"Cheap".
When i was looking at about 30,000.00 Canadian Funds, to go with a 912
rotax, and about the same for a Jabiru.
I found a high time 0235Lyc.for 5000.00 and had it 0 timed and now have a
Brand New Engine for around 15000.00 Can.Funds.
For a Real Aircraft engine.
Call me Old fashion or what ever but i guess i run a little cement in my
head when it comes to snowmobile and car engine conversions etc.....No
Offense
dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean C. Caranna" <carannas@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Sean C. Caranna"
<carannas@bellsouth.net>
>
> Dave,
>
> I'm all for saving money! I guess if I were a rich man I would just go
buy
> a Lycoming and be done with it. Have you tried
> http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Integrity of this List |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Could I in my humble position, make a suggestion that everyone on the list
try to keep the Subject related to the msg text.
Also, if you use the list to get together at Sun-n-Fun, great, but please
use the "do not archive"
This is a great list, with a lot of useful info exchanges.
do not archive
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Attendees |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeff Page <orrem31@yahoo.com>
Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday
Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2
Friday.
Jon Croke - Friday & Saturday
Jim Olson - Fly in 601HDS camp most of week, in the
main campground
Fred Hulen - Fly in weather permitting
Robin Gould - Friday, Saturday and Sunday
Larry McFarland - Wednesday and Thursday
Mark Stauffer - Tuesday thru Friday (all weather
permitting)
Lowell Metz - Sunday 11th thru Monday19th
Craig S. - Friday or possibly Saturday
Bill Cribb - Thursday through Saturday
Brett Ray - I'll be there the whole time. (booth #58
in the ultralights)
Thilo Kind - Thursday through Saturday
Tom Faulkner - Thursday & Friday
Jeff Page - Saturday
__________________________________
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
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| Subject: | Re: Integrity of this List (SUN-N-FUN ATTENDEE LIST) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Dave:
So I take it you will not be there? :) This is my first time going - I've
had to watch everyone discuss this is the past knowing I would not be there,
so I know how you feel.
Guys, keep the notes coming with the dates you plan to attend, and feel
free to send them to me off-list if you wish. I'm making a list and will
post it with a big "DO NOT ARCHIVE" before the end of the week.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
..............................DO NOT
ARCHIVE..............................
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Sean C.Caranna" <carannas@bellsouth.net>
Well if any of us "really" wanted to save money we would never have taken up flying
:)
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| Subject: | Re: disconnect switch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Zed,
Many thanks for the help. Looks like one of these could be mounted thru the
firewall and operated with a choke cable, thus saving some money while
freeing up some amperage for better use. That's what I'm going to try,
anyway.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: <ZSMITH3rd@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: disconnect switch
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
>
> Gentlemen: Those desiring a healthy battery disconnect might visit
> www.colehersee.com
> The Pt.No. 75908 switch is the obvious choice, addition of the "lockout
> device" listed on one of their sheets is a good extra.
> Lots of PDF downloads available.
> Cole Hersee is the source of the previously-mentioned Caterpillar battery
> switch. The Cat part number for the Cat version is 7N718 which is listed
on
> e-bay for about US$40. This is the switch with the "Cat key" (which is
NOT the
> key shown in Cole Hersee web site).
> do not archive
> Zed Smith/701/R912/9x.xx%
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Integrity of this List (SUN-N-FUN ATTENDEE LIST) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
If I understand the DO NOT ARCHIVE procedure, each separate massage AND
REPLY will be archived unless these three words are included in the message
or reply. To build up a list and then at the end of a week means that all
the intermediate messages and replies during the buildup are archived. Hap
Schoenberger 701 do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Integrity of this List (SUN-N-FUN ATTENDEE LIST)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Dave:
>
> So I take it you will not be there? :) This is my first time going -
I've
> had to watch everyone discuss this is the past knowing I would not be
there,
> so I know how you feel.
>
> Guys, keep the notes coming with the dates you plan to attend, and feel
> free to send them to me off-list if you wish. I'm making a list and will
> post it with a big "DO NOT ARCHIVE" before the end of the week.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
> ...............................DO NOT
> ARCHIVE..............................
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Attendees |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
I'll be there all week. ...neil
Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday
Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2Friday.
Jon Croke - Friday & Saturday
Jim Olson - Fly in 601HDS camp most of week, in the
main campground
Fred Hulen - Fly in weather permitting
Robin Gould - Friday, Saturday and Sunday
Larry McFarland - Wednesday and Thursday
Mark Stauffer - Tuesday thru Friday (all weather
permitting)
Lowell Metz - Sunday 11th thru Monday19th
Craig S. - Friday or possibly Saturday
Bill Cribb - Thursday through Saturday
Brett Ray - I'll be there the whole time. (booth #58
in the ultralights)
Thilo Kind - Thursday through Saturday
Tom Faulkner - Thursday & Friday
Jeff Page - Saturday
Neil Hulin - All week, camping
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| Subject: | ch701 elevator trim questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com
I am a newbie about to order a 701 tail kit and have some elevator trim
questions.
Is the trim capable of trimming for approach speeds with flaps down, at
least for the first notch of flaps? The more general question would be is
what is the hands-off speed with flaps down (both settings) and trim full
down trim?
The only trim type available seems to be the RAC (MAC) electric trim.
Have other types that have been used successfully on the 701 (e.g. manual,
spring )? I saw in an old notice mention the availability of a manual
trim.
If the consensus is that the RAC is the way to go, I'll just order the
trim with the tail kit.
Thanks.
Ray
About to stop stalling and start STOLling
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Attendees |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
I'll be there for the full week, but not in my own airplane. Working
in the Sheet Metal Shop. Got lucky, getting a request to fly the
factory demo XL to SNF.
Brent Battles
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| Subject: | Sun'n Fun Attendee List |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Fellow Builders:
Thanks for all the replies from Sun'n Fun attendees. I have posted a list
of attendees sorted by day of attendance and first names here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/SunNFun.jpg
You might want to print this and bring it with you to the event. I'll
update the list on my website if I receive any more emails concerning
attendance.
I'll email my cell phone number to anybody that would like to meet up on
Tuesday or Wednesday.
You might find me taking photos of the 601XL/Corvair that William Wynne is
bringing to the ZAC booth. He has made an interesting cowl for this
airplane that can be seen here:
http://www.flycorvair.com/601.html
Take care,
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
*****DO NOT ARCHIVE*****
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Scott, I plan on being there on Tuesday and Wednesday in order to catch both Chris
with Zenith and William Wynne for the Corvair conversion.
John Lifer
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I checked my contactor from aircraft spruce, 18 ohms. This will require 780 ma.
or.78amps., continueous. An alternative arrangement can be made where the starter
contactor connects directly to the battery. All Electronics has an automotive
ice cube relay (shape and size) that can easily handle all your power needs
and it has a mounting tab.The resistance is 81 ohms which takes only 180 ma
or .18 amps to run continueously. The NC (normally closed) contacts are rated
at 30 amps. The NO (normally open) contacts are rated at 40 amps when you apply
power and close them.
I use one in paralell with the starter contactor coil to disconnect power from
everything but the start switch. My electronics max out at less than 10 amps.,
well within the limits of the NC contacts. This disconnects all the radios etc.
from power while the engine is cranking (putting all kinds of spikes on the
line) which will make them last much longer.
I alos use one to power my autopilot servo because the AP switch is tiny and will
burn out.
www.allelectronics.com cat # RLY-631 $2.25. They are so cheap because the diode inside is bad. You will have to add an external diode to suppress the spike generated when any relay (inductor) is switched OFF. I recommend 1N400, yes the voltage rating seems more than needed but my experience is the extra $.03 is more than worth it. You can solder it to the base of the coil pins and not interfere with the relay socket CAT # SRLY-2 $2.00 which is worth it. or you can use push on sockets to each pin.
One more caveat, never mount any relay with the moving arm axis of rotation (hinge)
paralell to the engine crankshaft. This relay, don't mount it with the pins
pointing fore or aft. I learned that lesson flying RC models in 1954.
Leo Corbalis
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
I seem to remember seeing someone who had CADD drawings of the ribs etc. for the
601 XL. Does anyone remember where these are located.
Dave
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Cadd Drawings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: tongaloa <tongaloa@alltel.net>
Please elt me know if you get response.
The only guy I've run into with them did not care to share them.
do not archive
-t
Dave & Darlene wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
>
>I seem to remember seeing someone who had CADD drawings of the ribs etc. for the
601 XL. Does anyone remember where these are located.
>Dave
>
>601XL
>
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| Subject: | Zodiac Subaru cowling and engine mount for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox-internet.com>
I have a ZAC-made Zodiac engine mount and cowling for a Stratus Subaru EA-81 that
is taking
up space in my garage. Zac gets $450 each for these (last time I checked), but
you can have
both the cowling and engine mount from me for $400. Perfect condition, never been
used. These
may work for other EA-81 configurations, too, but you'd want to check. Email
me directly off the
list if you're interested.
Paul
Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300
Tail, rear fuse, wings completed;fuselage nearly complete
Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl
email: paulhartl@cox-internet.com or paul_hartl@communityschool.org
Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
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| Subject: | Sun N Fun Attendees |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
Outstanding Brent!! I look forward to seeing you again!
Mark
Mark Stauffer
601XL Tail finished, working on fuselage
Odenton, MD
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brenton
Battles
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles
<brentbattles@charter.net>
I'll be there for the full week, but not in my own airplane. Working
in the Sheet Metal Shop. Got lucky, getting a request to fly the
factory demo XL to SNF.
Brent Battles
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| Subject: | Re: ch701 elevator trim questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Chesterman Family <chesterman@on.aibn.com>
order the one with the kit. I use mine at the beginning of each flight. the
standard tab is not large enough to allow hands off flap use but so what. with
flaps you will be on the ground in about 3 seconds ( slight exageration)
unless you have a 200' strip you really won't use the flaps
dave c 701
>
>
> Is the trim capable of trimming for approach speeds with flaps down, at
> least for the first notch of flaps? The more general question would be is
> what is the hands-off speed with flaps down (both settings) and trim full
> down trim?
>
> The only trim type available seems to be the RAC (MAC) electric trim.
> Have other types that have been used successfully on the 701 (e.g. manual,
> spring )? I saw in an old notice mention the availability of a manual
> trim.
>
> If the consensus is that the RAC is the way to go, I'll just order the
> trim with the tail kit.
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| Subject: | construction order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
Hi all,
I am about to order my first kit section and am
curious as to the order i should order the different
sections of the kit. I am going to build the Zodiac XL
and use WW's corvair engine plan.
I am pretty sure I will be able to construct the ac,
so it is not critical that i start with the rudder to
see if i will enjoy the process. however, it seems
pretty low cost to do the rudder as its price is
deducted from the tail kit.
I am thinking that it may be smart to order the plans
and CD and study it for a little while before i start
building. In any event, after the tail section, what
order would you suggest as to the rest of the plane.
my initial thought is to do the fuse first and the
wings and other parts after. Just don't have any idea
or preference. What are your views.
John butterfield
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