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1. 04:38 AM - My own 701 project continues (Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: Rudder cemtering and pressures (Carl Bertrand)
3. 06:26 AM - Re: Test Pilot (John M. Goodings)
4. 08:05 AM - Re: Rudder cemtering and pressures (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
5. 09:25 AM - Re: Rudder cemtering and pressures (Jon Croke)
6. 11:00 AM - FW: Front strut. (Beckman, Rick)
7. 01:08 PM - Re: FW: Front strut. (Robin Gould)
8. 01:18 PM - Re: FW: Front strut. (Andrew SanClemente)
9. 02:27 PM - Re: FW: Front strut. ()
10. 03:46 PM - Re: FW: Front strut. (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
11. 07:36 PM - Re: Front strut. (Jim and Lucy)
12. 08:00 PM - Stinky fiberglass tricks (Jim and Lucy)
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| Subject: | My own 701 project continues |
04/14/2004 02:37:32 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com
At last! I have enough time to continue with my own plane project...
www.project-ch701.net
-Jari
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder cemtering and pressures |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" <cgbrt@mondenet.com>
Bob
Happy to.
Carl
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Eli" <robert.eli@adelphia.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Eli" <robert.eli@adelphia.net>
>
>
> Carl,
>
> Do you mind if I join in and send you my $5 also? I'm curious to see how
> your design works, since I've decided to modify my nose gear also.
>
> Bob Eli
> CH701
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bertrand
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" <cgbrt@mondenet.com>
>
> I know the feeling Walt. I got tired so I modified my nose gear so I can
> disengage the nose wheel steering once airborne. I've used it for 3 years,
> works like a charm. You got to remember to reengage before landing. If
your
> interested send me a self addressed envelope and $5 to cover the costs to
> make-up a rough drawing and print a couple of pics to send you. I've
> given-up on email; too much spam and virus.
> My address is:
> C. Bertrand
> 1824 Thistleleaf Cr
> Ottawa On
> K1C5W4
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walt Cannon" <grnlake@earthlink.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Walt Cannon" <grnlake@earthlink.net>
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I know this topic has been brought up before, but here I go again. I
have
> > about 15 hours on my CH701 and love every aspect of the handling
qualities
> > except the feel of the rudder in the air. Pitch and roll inputs are
nice,
> > smooth, and linear through the stick. But I find the rudder to have a
> > miserable feel in the air. There seems to be just enough binding in the
> > system coupled with the "V" shaped notch to center the landing gear that
I
> > find it almost impossible to initiate and roll out of a nice smoothly
> > coordinated turn.
> >
> > Has anyone dealt with this issue in a way you found effective? I thought
I
> > would just fly awhile to see it I had fit things to tightly and it would
> > loosen up a bit. I have also applied some grease to the strut, bearing
and
> > riding surface of the "V" notch, but this seems to have little effect.
> >
> > It is not terrible, but I know others must have found a way to deal with
> > this to give it the same nice feel as the other controls.
> >
> > Walt Cannon
> > N701WD
> > Seattle WA
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
This is the approach we used for the first flight of our 601HD with Rotax
912S engine on October 5, 2003. ("We" refers to my son and myself; we
built the aircraft together.) It still makes good sense to me. We used a
test-pilot friend who had built the same aircraft and flown it the
previous year. (He also happens to be an airline pilot with 25,000
hours!) My son went with him for the first 1/2 hour; then I went with him
for the second 1/2 hour. (OF COURSE we both wanted the first 1/2 hour.
One defers to one's children!) This is perfectly legal in Canada provided
the co-pilot is a licensed pilot. To my mind, this method provided extra
safety. The person in the left seat was an extremely competent pilot on
type. The person in the right seat was extremely familiar with that
particular aircraft and all its instruments, etc. That morning was truly
enjoyable and very memorable. Just afterwards, my wife and brother
cracked out the champagne right there on the apron. Splendid! It's
supposed to be fun.
John and Peter Goodings,
C-FGPJ, CH601HD, 912S, Toronto/Waterloo, Canada.
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| Subject: | Rudder cemtering and pressures |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
You just know sooner or later your going to forget to re-engage
it....Beware!
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Eli
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Eli"
--> <robert.eli@adelphia.net>
Carl,
Do you mind if I join in and send you my $5 also? I'm curious to see how
your design works, since I've decided to modify my nose gear also.
Bob Eli
CH701
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bertrand
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" <cgbrt@mondenet.com>
I know the feeling Walt. I got tired so I modified my nose gear so I can
disengage the nose wheel steering once airborne. I've used it for 3 years,
works like a charm. You got to remember to reengage before landing. If your
interested send me a self addressed envelope and $5 to cover the costs to
make-up a rough drawing and print a couple of pics to send you. I've
given-up on email; too much spam and virus. My address is: C. Bertrand 1824
Thistleleaf Cr Ottawa On K1C5W4
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Cannon" <grnlake@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Walt Cannon"
> --> <grnlake@earthlink.net>
>
> All,
>
> I know this topic has been brought up before, but here I go again. I
> have about 15 hours on my CH701 and love every aspect of the handling
> qualities except the feel of the rudder in the air. Pitch and roll
> inputs are nice, smooth, and linear through the stick. But I find the
> rudder to have a miserable feel in the air. There seems to be just
> enough binding in the system coupled with the "V" shaped notch to
> center the landing gear that I find it almost impossible to initiate
> and roll out of a nice smoothly coordinated turn.
>
> Has anyone dealt with this issue in a way you found effective? I
> thought I would just fly awhile to see it I had fit things to tightly
> and it would loosen up a bit. I have also applied some grease to the
> strut, bearing and riding surface of the "V" notch, but this seems to
> have little effect.
>
> It is not terrible, but I know others must have found a way to deal
> with this to give it the same nice feel as the other controls.
>
> Walt Cannon
> N701WD
> Seattle WA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder cemtering and pressures |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
FYI regarding this rudder 701 thing...
As I rebuild my ship, I noticed that after I ordered the new bungee cord and
built the firewall per new plans, the tension of the fork with the wheel off
the ground is VERY light plus my delrin bearings mean that the pedal
movement is as smooth as silk! There would be no reason to disconnect the
wheel for my setup as you would not be able to tell that the wheel is there.
I noticed that it's the weak tension of the unloaded bungee that makes it so
nice compared to my original ship, which I agree was tight. I also noticed
that the location of the bungee pin has moved from earlier 701 plans -
helping to reduce the tension. SO, all I am saying is that MAYBE just
reducing the bungee cord tension in the unloaded position may solve this
problem.
Just a thought, your mileage may vary...
Leaving for Sun n Fun tomorrow, will take some photos!
Jon
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> You just know sooner or later your going to forget to re-engage
> it....Beware!
>
> Frank
>
Do not archive
>
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I know this topic has been brought up before, but here I go again. I
> > have about 15 hours on my CH701 and love every aspect of the handling
> > qualities except the feel of the rudder in the air. Pitch and roll
> > inputs are nice, smooth, and linear through the stick. But I find the
> > rudder to have a miserable feel in the air. There seems to be just
> > enough binding in the system coupled with the "V" shaped notch to
> > center the landing gear that I find it almost impossible to initiate
> > and roll out of a nice smoothly coordinated turn.
> >
> > Has anyone dealt with this issue in a way you found effective? I
> > thought I would just fly awhile to see it I had fit things to tightly
> > and it would loosen up a bit. I have also applied some grease to the
> > strut, bearing and riding surface of the "V" notch, but this seems to
> > have little effect.
> >
> > It is not terrible, but I know others must have found a way to deal
> > with this to give it the same nice feel as the other controls.
> >
> > Walt Cannon
> > N701WD
> > Seattle WA
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | FW: Front strut. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
> Good Morning,
> I have a very simple question. I'm building the XL and I am
> at the point of installing the front gear. I would like to know what
> others have used on the strut tube, if anything, other than cleaning and
> polishing. To me, the metal needs some protection to keep it from
> rusting. Paint will add some to the diameter and will scuff some, riding
> up and down through the
> bearings. I want to keep it as simple as I can and, yet, make
> it nice looking and keep it that way. Ideas?
>
>
> Thanks, Rick.
>
> www.sharbo.us/thebird
>
> Do NOT archive
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Front strut. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robin Gould <rgould1@ix.netcom.com>
Rick,
Look up "hard chrome" in the Archive, you will see a lot of discussion
on surface treatments of
struts tubes.
Robin G.
Beckman, Rick wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Good Morning,
>> I have a very simple question. I'm building the XL and I am
>>at the point of installing the front gear. I would like to know what
>>others have used on the strut tube, if anything, other than cleaning and
>>polishing. To me, the metal needs some protection to keep it from
>>rusting. Paint will add some to the diameter and will scuff some, riding
>>up and down through the
>> bearings. I want to keep it as simple as I can and, yet, make
>>it nice looking and keep it that way. Ideas?
>>
>>
>>Thanks, Rick.
>>
>>www.sharbo.us/thebird
>>
>> Do NOT archive
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Front strut. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
Many of us have hard-chromed the gear legs, nice appearance and won't
rust. Search the archives for "chrome" and you should find some more
info. I can't remember the name of the company many of us used as I
had mine done a couple years back.
-Andrew
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>>
>>Good Morning,
>>I have a very simple question. I'm building the XL and I
>>am
>>at the point of installing the front gear. I would like to know
>>what
>>others have used on the strut tube, if anything, other than
>>cleaning and
>>polishing. To me, the metal needs some protection to keep
>>it from
>>rusting. Paint will add some to the diameter and will scuff some,
>>riding
>>up and down through the
>>bearings. I want to keep it as simple as I can and, yet,
>>make
>>it nice looking and keep it that way. Ideas?
Many of us have hard-chromed the gear legs, nice appearance and won't rust. Search
the archives for chrome and you should find some more info. I can't remember
the name of the company many of us used as I had mine done a couple years
back.
-Andrew
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Good Morning,
I have a very simple question. I'm building the XL and I
am
at the point of installing the front gear. I would like to know
what
others have used on the strut tube, if anything, other than
cleaning and
polishing. To me, the metal needs some protection to keep
it from
rusting. Paint will add some to the diameter and will scuff some,
riding
up and down through the
bearings. I want to keep it as simple as I can and, yet,
make
it nice looking and keep it that way. Ideas?
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| Subject: | FW: Front strut. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
Many of us, reluctant to trust the plating was done in such a fashion to prevent
hydrogen embrittlement of the steel gear tubes, chose to prime and paint the
gear legs and keep them lubricated w/ lithium grease. 470 hours on my 601 HDS
with no real issues. IMHO, priming and painting is a lot simpler, and certainly
cheaper, than plating.
GGP
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| Subject: | FW: Front strut. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Less weight too...This is the way I went for the same reasons.
Frank 320 hours
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
george.pinneo@ngc.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: FW: Front strut.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
Many of us, reluctant to trust the plating was done in such a fashion to
prevent hydrogen embrittlement of the steel gear tubes, chose to prime and
paint the gear legs and keep them lubricated w/ lithium grease. 470 hours on
my 601 HDS with no real issues. IMHO, priming and painting is a lot simpler,
and certainly cheaper, than plating.
GGP
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| Subject: | Re: Front strut. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
Black greese.
At 12:54 PM 4/14/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > Good Morning,
> > I have a very simple question.
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| Subject: | Stinky fiberglass tricks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
Hey did you know that a plastic Easter egg
makes a good mold for the cowl bump for a
Subaru engine. Sort of a nice teardrop shape
if you cut it in half the long ways. How
do those glasair guys put up with that
stuff day after day. The best part about
this fiberglass business is that I will
be through with it soon.
Jim Pollard
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