---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/14/04: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - My own 701 project continues (Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com) 2. 06:00 AM - Re: Rudder cemtering and pressures (Carl Bertrand) 3. 06:26 AM - Re: Test Pilot (John M. Goodings) 4. 08:05 AM - Re: Rudder cemtering and pressures (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 5. 09:25 AM - Re: Rudder cemtering and pressures (Jon Croke) 6. 11:00 AM - FW: Front strut. (Beckman, Rick) 7. 01:08 PM - Re: FW: Front strut. (Robin Gould) 8. 01:18 PM - Re: FW: Front strut. (Andrew SanClemente) 9. 02:27 PM - Re: FW: Front strut. () 10. 03:46 PM - Re: FW: Front strut. (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 11. 07:36 PM - Re: Front strut. (Jim and Lucy) 12. 08:00 PM - Stinky fiberglass tricks (Jim and Lucy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:16 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: My own 701 project continues From: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com 04/14/2004 02:37:32 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jari.Kaija@pkcgroup.com At last! I have enough time to continue with my own plane project... www.project-ch701.net -Jari ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:08 AM PST US From: "Carl Bertrand" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" Bob Happy to. Carl Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Eli" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Eli" > > > Carl, > > Do you mind if I join in and send you my $5 also? I'm curious to see how > your design works, since I've decided to modify my nose gear also. > > Bob Eli > CH701 > > Do Not Archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bertrand > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" > > I know the feeling Walt. I got tired so I modified my nose gear so I can > disengage the nose wheel steering once airborne. I've used it for 3 years, > works like a charm. You got to remember to reengage before landing. If your > interested send me a self addressed envelope and $5 to cover the costs to > make-up a rough drawing and print a couple of pics to send you. I've > given-up on email; too much spam and virus. > My address is: > C. Bertrand > 1824 Thistleleaf Cr > Ottawa On > K1C5W4 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walt Cannon" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Walt Cannon" > > > > All, > > > > I know this topic has been brought up before, but here I go again. I have > > about 15 hours on my CH701 and love every aspect of the handling qualities > > except the feel of the rudder in the air. Pitch and roll inputs are nice, > > smooth, and linear through the stick. But I find the rudder to have a > > miserable feel in the air. There seems to be just enough binding in the > > system coupled with the "V" shaped notch to center the landing gear that I > > find it almost impossible to initiate and roll out of a nice smoothly > > coordinated turn. > > > > Has anyone dealt with this issue in a way you found effective? I thought I > > would just fly awhile to see it I had fit things to tightly and it would > > loosen up a bit. I have also applied some grease to the strut, bearing and > > riding surface of the "V" notch, but this seems to have little effect. > > > > It is not terrible, but I know others must have found a way to deal with > > this to give it the same nice feel as the other controls. > > > > Walt Cannon > > N701WD > > Seattle WA > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:18 AM PST US From: "John M. Goodings" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Test Pilot --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" This is the approach we used for the first flight of our 601HD with Rotax 912S engine on October 5, 2003. ("We" refers to my son and myself; we built the aircraft together.) It still makes good sense to me. We used a test-pilot friend who had built the same aircraft and flown it the previous year. (He also happens to be an airline pilot with 25,000 hours!) My son went with him for the first 1/2 hour; then I went with him for the second 1/2 hour. (OF COURSE we both wanted the first 1/2 hour. One defers to one's children!) This is perfectly legal in Canada provided the co-pilot is a licensed pilot. To my mind, this method provided extra safety. The person in the left seat was an extremely competent pilot on type. The person in the right seat was extremely familiar with that particular aircraft and all its instruments, etc. That morning was truly enjoyable and very memorable. Just afterwards, my wife and brother cracked out the champagne right there on the apron. Splendid! It's supposed to be fun. John and Peter Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD, 912S, Toronto/Waterloo, Canada. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:04 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" You just know sooner or later your going to forget to re-engage it....Beware! Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Eli Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Eli" --> Carl, Do you mind if I join in and send you my $5 also? I'm curious to see how your design works, since I've decided to modify my nose gear also. Bob Eli CH701 Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bertrand Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Carl Bertrand" I know the feeling Walt. I got tired so I modified my nose gear so I can disengage the nose wheel steering once airborne. I've used it for 3 years, works like a charm. You got to remember to reengage before landing. If your interested send me a self addressed envelope and $5 to cover the costs to make-up a rough drawing and print a couple of pics to send you. I've given-up on email; too much spam and virus. My address is: C. Bertrand 1824 Thistleleaf Cr Ottawa On K1C5W4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Cannon" Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Walt Cannon" > --> > > All, > > I know this topic has been brought up before, but here I go again. I > have about 15 hours on my CH701 and love every aspect of the handling > qualities except the feel of the rudder in the air. Pitch and roll > inputs are nice, smooth, and linear through the stick. But I find the > rudder to have a miserable feel in the air. There seems to be just > enough binding in the system coupled with the "V" shaped notch to > center the landing gear that I find it almost impossible to initiate > and roll out of a nice smoothly coordinated turn. > > Has anyone dealt with this issue in a way you found effective? I > thought I would just fly awhile to see it I had fit things to tightly > and it would loosen up a bit. I have also applied some grease to the > strut, bearing and riding surface of the "V" notch, but this seems to > have little effect. > > It is not terrible, but I know others must have found a way to deal > with this to give it the same nice feel as the other controls. > > Walt Cannon > N701WD > Seattle WA > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:56 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" FYI regarding this rudder 701 thing... As I rebuild my ship, I noticed that after I ordered the new bungee cord and built the firewall per new plans, the tension of the fork with the wheel off the ground is VERY light plus my delrin bearings mean that the pedal movement is as smooth as silk! There would be no reason to disconnect the wheel for my setup as you would not be able to tell that the wheel is there. I noticed that it's the weak tension of the unloaded bungee that makes it so nice compared to my original ship, which I agree was tight. I also noticed that the location of the bungee pin has moved from earlier 701 plans - helping to reduce the tension. SO, all I am saying is that MAYBE just reducing the bungee cord tension in the unloaded position may solve this problem. Just a thought, your mileage may vary... Leaving for Sun n Fun tomorrow, will take some photos! Jon > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > > You just know sooner or later your going to forget to re-engage > it....Beware! > > Frank > Do not archive > > > > > All, > > > > I know this topic has been brought up before, but here I go again. I > > have about 15 hours on my CH701 and love every aspect of the handling > > qualities except the feel of the rudder in the air. Pitch and roll > > inputs are nice, smooth, and linear through the stick. But I find the > > rudder to have a miserable feel in the air. There seems to be just > > enough binding in the system coupled with the "V" shaped notch to > > center the landing gear that I find it almost impossible to initiate > > and roll out of a nice smoothly coordinated turn. > > > > Has anyone dealt with this issue in a way you found effective? I > > thought I would just fly awhile to see it I had fit things to tightly > > and it would loosen up a bit. I have also applied some grease to the > > strut, bearing and riding surface of the "V" notch, but this seems to > > have little effect. > > > > It is not terrible, but I know others must have found a way to deal > > with this to give it the same nice feel as the other controls. > > > > Walt Cannon > > N701WD > > Seattle WA > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:38 AM PST US From: "Beckman, Rick" Subject: Zenith-List: FW: Front strut. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" > > Good Morning, > I have a very simple question. I'm building the XL and I am > at the point of installing the front gear. I would like to know what > others have used on the strut tube, if anything, other than cleaning and > polishing. To me, the metal needs some protection to keep it from > rusting. Paint will add some to the diameter and will scuff some, riding > up and down through the > bearings. I want to keep it as simple as I can and, yet, make > it nice looking and keep it that way. Ideas? > > > Thanks, Rick. > > www.sharbo.us/thebird > > Do NOT archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:43 PM PST US From: Robin Gould Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FW: Front strut. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robin Gould Rick, Look up "hard chrome" in the Archive, you will see a lot of discussion on surface treatments of struts tubes. Robin G. Beckman, Rick wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" > > > > >> >> Good Morning, >> I have a very simple question. I'm building the XL and I am >>at the point of installing the front gear. I would like to know what >>others have used on the strut tube, if anything, other than cleaning and >>polishing. To me, the metal needs some protection to keep it from >>rusting. Paint will add some to the diameter and will scuff some, riding >>up and down through the >> bearings. I want to keep it as simple as I can and, yet, make >>it nice looking and keep it that way. Ideas? >> >> >>Thanks, Rick. >> >>www.sharbo.us/thebird >> >> Do NOT archive >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:25 PM PST US From: Andrew SanClemente Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FW: Front strut. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente Many of us have hard-chromed the gear legs, nice appearance and won't rust. Search the archives for "chrome" and you should find some more info. I can't remember the name of the company many of us used as I had mine done a couple years back. -Andrew DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >>Good Morning, >>I have a very simple question. I'm building the XL and I >>am >>at the point of installing the front gear. I would like to know >>what >>others have used on the strut tube, if anything, other than >>cleaning and >>polishing. To me, the metal needs some protection to keep >>it from >>rusting. Paint will add some to the diameter and will scuff some, >>riding >>up and down through the >>bearings. I want to keep it as simple as I can and, yet, >>make >>it nice looking and keep it that way. Ideas? Many of us have hard-chromed the gear legs, nice appearance and won't rust. Search the archives for chrome and you should find some more info. I can't remember the name of the company many of us used as I had mine done a couple years back. -Andrew DO NOT ARCHIVE Good Morning, I have a very simple question. I'm building the XL and I am at the point of installing the front gear. I would like to know what others have used on the strut tube, if anything, other than cleaning and polishing. To me, the metal needs some protection to keep it from rusting. Paint will add some to the diameter and will scuff some, riding up and down through the bearings. I want to keep it as simple as I can and, yet, make it nice looking and keep it that way. Ideas? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:24 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: FW: Front strut. From: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Many of us, reluctant to trust the plating was done in such a fashion to prevent hydrogen embrittlement of the steel gear tubes, chose to prime and paint the gear legs and keep them lubricated w/ lithium grease. 470 hours on my 601 HDS with no real issues. IMHO, priming and painting is a lot simpler, and certainly cheaper, than plating. GGP ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:55 PM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: FW: Front strut. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Less weight too...This is the way I went for the same reasons. Frank 320 hours Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george.pinneo@ngc.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: FW: Front strut. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Many of us, reluctant to trust the plating was done in such a fashion to prevent hydrogen embrittlement of the steel gear tubes, chose to prime and paint the gear legs and keep them lubricated w/ lithium grease. 470 hours on my 601 HDS with no real issues. IMHO, priming and painting is a lot simpler, and certainly cheaper, than plating. GGP advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:40 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Front strut. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy Black greese. At 12:54 PM 4/14/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > > Good Morning, > > I have a very simple question. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:45 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Zenith-List: Stinky fiberglass tricks --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy Hey did you know that a plastic Easter egg makes a good mold for the cowl bump for a Subaru engine. Sort of a nice teardrop shape if you cut it in half the long ways. How do those glasair guys put up with that stuff day after day. The best part about this fiberglass business is that I will be through with it soon. Jim Pollard