---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/19/04: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:28 AM - Re: 701 Storage Compartments (Ashcraft, Keith -AES) 2. 03:48 AM - Re: Steering rod boot pt. nos. at Yamaha Snomobile (Andrew SanClemente) 3. 06:39 AM - Re: Rudder cemtering and pressures (J Davis) 4. 07:07 AM - Heater Core (Larry Martin) 5. 10:53 AM - Fw: Anyone at Sun-N-Fun (Kevin W Bonds) 6. 11:01 AM - Sorry about last post (Kevin W Bonds) 7. 11:07 AM - Seat belts (Steve Freeman) 8. 11:46 AM - Skyshop vs Zenith 701at Sun n Fun (MElrod3732@aol.com) 9. 11:52 AM - Fw: Piano hinge (Kevin W Bonds) 10. 12:36 PM - Re: Fw: Piano hinge (Carlos Sa) 11. 01:07 PM - Re: Seat belts (Leo Gates) 12. 01:28 PM - Re: Fw: Piano hinge (wizard-24@juno.com) 13. 01:31 PM - Re: Skyshop vs Zenith 701at Sun n Fun (Scott Laughlin) 14. 03:03 PM - Re: Seat belts (Larry McFarland) 15. 03:49 PM - Re: N801ZA Flies (Scott and Valeree Stout) 16. 04:10 PM - Larry Martin's Sub 701 (Jon Croke) 17. 05:35 PM - Re: Test Pilot (Chesterman Family) 18. 07:31 PM - Suzuki Engine Conversion, CH701 (Jim Fosse) 19. 08:15 PM - Re: nose wheel control rods (Fred Sanford) 20. 08:22 PM - Re: Suzuki Engine Conversion, CH701 (Bill Cardell) 21. 08:29 PM - Re: Seat belts (Thomas F Marson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 Storage Compartments From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" FILETIME=[1DAF13B0:01C425E8] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 Storage Compartments From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Howdy Chuck, How are things going down in Texas. Jon had mentioned this in his new site about some creative "experimental" items people have built into their planes. (like wing lockers) go to www.ch701.com builders photos Steve Johnston and look at his wing lockers. or the direct web-site http://kolbpilot.com/ch701/Steve_Mods.htm Keith N 38.4497 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' (waiting for the ground to thaw, so I can pour cement for my shop!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chuck Deiterich Cc:=09 Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Storage Compartments --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" Listers, The 701 has an open baggage area behind the seats but not any closed-in storage. I put a map compartment in the right side of my panel to hold maps, the POHB, etc. I wish I had more space. There is a hole in the right seat front (the same hole on the left side is where the flap handle comes through). Before riveting the seat bottom, a .016 box could be fitted behind the hole to hold small things like flash light, extra oil (if put into a clean brake fluid bottle), tie down ropes, etc. I wish I had thought of this before I finished, I may try to retrofit one. Something to consider before riveting the seats. Chuck D. 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If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Industries, Inc. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT Industries accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:08 AM PST US From: Andrew SanClemente Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Steering rod boot pt. nos. at Yamaha Snomobile --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente http://www.xtremepowersports.com/index.html You can order the parts from this web site, the instructions below apply to finding the part once you are in the 2000 VMAX 700 DeLuxe parts list. Cost about $70 with shipping. - Andrew >--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com > >The rubber boots in question to seal the steering rods and keep your >feet >from freezing are at: > >http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/categories.asp?lid6&lcsno > >Click on the "ONLINE PARTS CATALOG" box on the left...... >Check the year 2000, Model VX700DXD VMAX 700 DeLuxe (elec start) >Under "Frame" in the online parts catalog for this model the fiche >will >appear, Item 28 & 29 are shown, once for the left side, once for the >right side. >Parts are identical, same part number L & R. >28 is the "COVER" (the BOOT) (part number 8CR-2198F-00-00) >29 is the "PLATE" (stamped metal ring) (part number 8CR-2195E-00-00) >The plate fits over the large end of the boot and rivets to the >firewall. > http://www.xtremepowersports.com/index.html You can order the parts from this web site, the instructions below apply to finding the part once you are in the 2000 VMAX 700 DeLuxe parts list. Cost about $70 with shipping. - Andrew --=A0Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com The rubber boots in question to seal the steering rods and keep your feet from freezing are at: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/categories.asp?lid6lcsno Click on the ONLINE PARTS CATALOG box on the left...... Check the year 2000, Model VX700DXDVMAX 700 DeLuxe (elec start) Under Frame in the online parts catalog for this model the fiche will appear, Item 2829 are shown, once for the left side, once for the right side. Parts are identical, same part number LR. 28 is the COVER (the BOOT) (part number 8CR-2198F-00-00) 29 is the PLATE (stamped metal ring) (part number 8CR-2195E-00-00) The plate fits over the large end of the boot and rivets to the firewall. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:25 AM PST US From: J Davis Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder cemtering and pressures --> Zenith-List message posted by: J Davis > I did order the part number bungee from the new plans... but you got me > wondering... I'll have to double check and try to verify that it is correct! > I always thought the original design was WAY too hard... and am hoping this > softer design would make things nicer....but, you got me wondering now.....! > I just finished the same firewall mods. The new re-inforced bungee hole location takes a shorter bungee (8"), p/n 1090, but it is rated at 750 lbs, as opposed to the original 10" 9010HD, rated at 475. Seems to me that that would increase pressure on the nose gear stop, all else being equal... Since I have a relatively light 582, I decided to ignore the new re-inforced holes and go back to the original 300mm hole location and original longer, weaker bungee. -- Regards, J. flying: Zenair STOL CH701/582 C-IGGY , > 240 hrs. building: Sonex #325, engine probably Jabiru 3300/6/120hp | J. Davis, M.Sc. (comp_sci) | UNIX consultant | | SysMgr, research programmer | email: jd@uwo.ca | | Lawson Health Research Inst.| voice: (519) 646 6100 x64166 | | London, Ontario | fax: (519) 646 6399 | | Canada | lriweb.sjhc.london.on.ca/~jd | If you spend any time administering Windows NT, you're far too familiar with the Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) ... - "MSDN Flash" email newsletter ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:17 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Zenith-List: Heater Core --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" For some time I have been pondering as to which heater core to use in my 701 with a Subaru setup. I accidentally found what may be perfect for the setup. I have a 95 Subaru Legacy behind my shop. I took the engine out a while back to use in a gyro. The other day I happened to look inside and saw the heater. I removed the core and was very pleasantly surprised. The core is all aluminum, I put in on a postal scale and it weighs 1.25 lbs, is approximately 8" X 8" X 1", the inlet and outlet are 5/8" OD. The part I really like about it is that both the inlet and outlet tubes are attached to the top of the core via separate plates with four screws systemically placed. Which means you can easily move the tubes to any position to fit your needs or make new ones with out having to weld to the core. Just thought I would pass it along FYI. A second thought on heater cores while I'm at it. A few days ago someone asked about the sizes of the inlet and outlet tubes as to which size was for inlet vs which for outlet. Someone else replied the it really didn't matter that if you wanted more heat put the smaller of the two as the outlet. Well I have to respectfully disagree. If you use the smaller tube as the return, you are building up pressure in the heater core. And, you don't want that. The liquid should not be restricted any more than possible at the core. The outlet is always the same size or larger for a reason. Remember you have 180+ degree water not too far from the jewels and the electrically system. If the core springs a leak, you want it to run out on the floor, not create a high pressure spray. Larry Take a look, www.gyrostabs.com --- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:47 AM PST US From: "Kevin W Bonds" Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Anyone at Sun-N-Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" Anyone at Sun-N-Fun that can ask CH or someone else from ZAC a Question. I need to speek to you off list. I don't want to pose the Question here until I get an answer. I don't want to cause an uproar without all the facts. Kevin Bonds Nashville Tn Zenithair Zodiac 601XL plansbuilder; rudder complete; almost done with forming blocks; making parts for elevator ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:00 AM PST US From: "Kevin W Bonds" Subject: Zenith-List: Sorry about last post --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" Ignore that last email. It was supposed to go out last week. I've been having trouble with my email. Kevin ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:19 AM PST US From: "Steve Freeman" Subject: Zenith-List: Seat belts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Freeman" Hey Everybody, I am installing the seat belts in my 601HDS and I have a question that defies my conventional wisdom. The planse call for AN4-5A bolts to be used. This would indicate to me to use a nylock washer of corresponding size. However, it seems to me that the seat balt attachment harnesses should be able to "float" around the connecting bolt. Am I wrong in this assumption? Should I use a nylock nut and torque it down tight making it so the harnesses don't move around the bolt? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve Freeman ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:58 AM PST US From: MElrod3732@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Skyshop vs Zenith 701at Sun n Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com Did anyone else notice at Sun n Fun, how much nicer the interior of the Skyshop CH701s (both the planes on wheels and amphib floats) were then the Zenith 701display model? In addition to having better carpeting and instrument panels, the Skyshop planes had nice touches like having the headphone jacks above the rear storage area preventing the cords from getting in the way and a very neatly installed fuel selector in the same area. The Skyshop 701s just had a more "professionally looking" feel to the interior. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:36 AM PST US From: "Kevin W Bonds" Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Piano hinge --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" I'm trying to order my piano hinges for the elevator/stab assembly and need some help. The plans call for MS20257. Do you guys suggest the MS20257p which is aluminum (grade?) or MS20257c which is SS? Also do I have to order the pin separately? Kevin Bonds Nashville Tn Zenithair Zodiac 601XL plansbuilder; rudder complete; almost done with forming blocks; making parts for elevator Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:46 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Piano hinge --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Kevin, I am using aluminum hinges. The pin comes with it by default. Carlos (CH601HD, plans) --- Kevin W Bonds wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" > > I'm trying to order my piano hinges for the elevator/stab assembly and need some help. The plans > call for MS20257. Do you guys suggest the MS20257p which is aluminum (grade?) or MS20257c which > is SS? Also do I have to order the pin separately? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:40 PM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat belts --> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates Steve Freeman wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Freeman" > >Hey Everybody, > >I am installing the seat belts in my 601HDS and I have a question that defies my conventional wisdom. The planse call for AN4-5A bolts to be used. Should I use a nylock nut and torque it down tight making it so the harnesses don't move around the bolt? > > > Mine are torqed down. I see no reason for them to move, if positioned correctly. Leo Gates ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Piano hinge From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > I'm trying to order my piano hinges for the elevator/stab assembly > and need some help. The plans call for MS20257. Do you guys suggest > the MS20257p which is aluminum (grade?) or MS20257c which is SS? > Also do I have to order the pin separately? I think the pin usually comes with the hinge. Just be sure you use the one that has a stainless steel pin instead of the AL pin. There's something mentioned on ZAC's web site about this. Mike Fortunato 601XL ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:33 PM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Skyshop vs Zenith 701at Sun n Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" I noticed. I also noticed how superbly fabricated the Czech Republic 601XL was in front of the EAA booth. It was the all-white 601XL if you happened to notice. Very nice airplane with fantastic attention to detail. Those skyshop floats were beautiful! I was drooling all over them (or was that the rain?) Anyway it shows what can happen if you take your time and pay attention to detail. ----Original Message Follows---- From: MElrod3732@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Skyshop vs Zenith 701at Sun n Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com Did anyone else notice at Sun n Fun, how much nicer the interior of the Skyshop CH701s (both the planes on wheels and amphib floats) were then the Zenith 701display model? In addition to having better carpeting and instrument panels, the Skyshop planes had nice touches like having the headphone jacks above the rear storage area preventing the cords from getting in the way and a very neatly installed fuel selector in the same area. The Skyshop 701s just had a more "professionally looking" feel to the interior. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:09 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat belts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: Seat belts > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Freeman" However, it seems to me that the seat balt attachment harnesses should be able to "float" around the connecting bolt. > Steve Freeman I used the same hardware and found the seat belts should be at least rotational. My shoulder harnesses are rigid to keep them oriented correctly to the stress. The seat belts will be adjusted to fit several angles and would probably be best tensioned to the correct angle when buckled. Larry ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:14 PM PST US From: Scott and Valeree Stout Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N801ZA Flies --> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott and Valeree Stout Congrats Jim!!!!!! What did the weight and balance come in at?????? Regards, Scott http://home.att.net/~the_stouts_zenith_801/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:41 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Larry Martin's Sub 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" For 701 builders -- this is a big deal! Check out Larry Martin's Subaru engine on his 701.. looks mighty nice! Home page of www.CH701.com (picture of the week!) Super! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:21 PM PST US From: Chesterman Family Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Test Pilot --> Zenith-List message posted by: Chesterman Family before you all get mixed up further. there are 3 different ways to register light planes in canada and each catagory carries a different set of rules. the most confusing is when registered as a homebuilt but has a gross weight under 1200 lbs which lets an ultralight instructor give lessons and a private pilot carry passengers dave chesterman Frank Jones wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" > > Peter, > > I believe if you check the restrictions on the C of A you find that > there is an exception if there are two on board for purposes of dual > instruction. Presumably the PIC would need to have an instructor rating > and it would be legal to have 2 aboard. At least as far as I know. > > Frank Jones > Ottawa > C-GYXQ > > >As far as I know, having two aboard isn't legal in Canada. I > specifically > >asked Transport Canada if it were possible, or if they'd make an > exception, > >but the answer was no on both counts, at least from the person I spoke > too. > >This was about 5 years ago when my dad's 601 got flying. (I haven't > >followed this thread, but understand that the US rules can be and have > been > >interpreted more liberally.) > > > >Peter Chapman > >601 HDS C-GZDC > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:43 PM PST US From: "Jim Fosse" Subject: Zenith-List: Suzuki Engine Conversion, CH701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" I've been looking at the 1300CC Suzuki conversion and it seems to have merit, e.g., electronic ignition, fuel injection, turbo charge compatible, 100 to 120 h.p. and 168 lbs. The one thing I'm concerned about is lack of dual ignition. Should this be a show stopper? I know that current state of the art systems are very reliable but I still have that uneasy feeling about a single ignition system. Comments would be appreciated. Jim Fosse Goreville, Illinois CH701/Rudder completed/Kit Received ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:53 PM PST US From: Fred Sanford Subject: Re: Zenith-List: nose wheel control rods --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Sanford Dan: Don't know how long a NOMEX boot will last, but seems very flexible, and have seen no brittle splinters. Sort of like a heavy denim. Another company - Giant Leap Rocketry- has KEVLAR cloth and thread....... . Fred Sanford waiting for 701 kit Ca. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:33 PM PST US From: Bill Cardell Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Suzuki Engine Conversion, CH701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell Jim, Who makes that one? Is it car based or the Hayabusa bike engine? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Fosse [mailto:jfosse1@shawneelink.net] Subject: Zenith-List: Suzuki Engine Conversion, CH701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" I've been looking at the 1300CC Suzuki conversion and it seems to have merit, e.g., electronic ignition, fuel injection, turbo charge compatible, 100 to 120 h.p. and 168 lbs. The one thing I'm concerned about is lack of dual ignition. Should this be a show stopper? I know that current state of the art systems are very reliable but I still have that uneasy feeling about a single ignition system. Comments would be appreciated. Jim Fosse Goreville, Illinois CH701/Rudder completed/Kit Received advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:57 PM PST US From: "Thomas F Marson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat belts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" They should float. Tom Marson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Freeman" Subject: Zenith-List: Seat belts > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Freeman" > > Hey Everybody, > > I am installing the seat belts in my 601HDS and I have a question that defies my conventional wisdom. The planse call for AN4-5A bolts to be used. This would indicate to me to use a nylock washer of corresponding size. However, it seems to me that the seat balt attachment harnesses should be able to "float" around the connecting bolt. Am I wrong in this assumption? Should I use a nylock nut and torque it down tight making it so the harnesses don't move around the bolt? > > Any advice would be appreciated. >