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1. 12:47 AM - Re: Harbor Freight Riveter (Leo Gates)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Ray Allen Trim indicator (Larry Martin)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Ray Allen Trim indicator ()
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Ray Allen Trim indicator (Ray Montagne)
5. 06:30 AM - Re: Ray Allen Trim indicator (Jeff Small)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: Seats for 601 (Michel Therrien)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: Harbor Freight Riveter (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
8. 08:55 AM - 701 Dual Stick photo (Jon Croke)
9. 10:12 AM - Re: Ray Allen Trim indicator (wizard-24@juno.com)
10. 10:12 AM - Re: Harbor Freight Riveter (wizard-24@juno.com)
11. 11:16 AM - Re: Harbor Freight Riveter (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
12. 11:21 AM - New Zenair CH 640 builder (Stephen Adams)
13. 11:44 AM - Re: New Zenair CH 640 builder (Corey Davis)
14. 11:44 AM - Re: Harbor Freight Riveter (Corey Davis)
15. 11:56 AM - Re: New Zenair CH 640 builder (Bill Steer)
16. 02:53 PM - Re: New Zenair CH 640 builder (Steve Freeman)
17. 03:03 PM - Re: 701 Dual Stick photo (John W. Tarabocchia)
18. 05:38 PM - Re: Seats for 601 (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
19. 06:23 PM - 601 seats (Brett)
20. 07:16 PM - 912 hard starting when hot (Ronnie Koonce)
21. 07:47 PM - Re: Harbor Freight Riveter (Greg Ferris)
22. 07:53 PM - Re: Seats for 601 (Greg Ferris)
23. 07:54 PM - Re: New Zenair CH 640 builder (Greg Ferris)
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
I have both, pneumatic and hand riveters. I used the hand riveter only
in places not accessible to the pneumatic one. I have mild arthritis in
my hands - pneumatic worked great. I also have three young
grandchildren. No way could they hand pull a rivet. They all
successfully helped grandpa build his airplane with the pneumatic one.
Leo Gates
N601Z
Lance Gingell wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
>all I can say is that I pity anyone trying to build an
>airplane with a manual riveter!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Trim indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Ray Allen is swapping mine out. Real nice people. Larry N1345L
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Gingell
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Ray Allen Trim indicator
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
When I got my 601XL tail kit from Zenith, the included elevator trim
indicator was the Ray Allen RP2 - the needle indicator. I know that the
demo XL has the RP3 LED indicator.
(http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/indsens.html)
What have other folks got in their kits? RP2 or RP3 (LED).
Anyone flying these? Which would you recommend?
I personally think I like the RP3 LED indicator best, and I was going to
ask ZAC or Ray Allen if I could swap out my sealed up RP2.
Any thoughts appreciated.
..lance
N601LG Rudder + Tail complete.
Wings on order (still), Fuse kit on order.
San Rafael, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Trim indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <kkinney@fuse.net>
>What have other folks got in their kits? RP2 or RP3 (LED).
>Anyone flying these? Which would you recommend?
I ordered my elevator & aileron trim kits at different times, so I got one of each.
I sent an email to the Ray Allen folks explaining the situation and that
I'd like the indicators to match.
They gave me my choice of which to replace and did it with no fuss whatsoever.
I did include a copy of their email to help the process.
On a semi-related note, LED's do wash out in the daylight. Which is why I plan
to put my trim indicators near the glare shield, though probably not in my eye
line while flying.
As far as I can tell, the indicators are most useful on setting trim for takeoff.
While in flight, the indicators are irrelevant as stick pressures dictates
trim usage.
Just my 2 cents worth, (actual value may be far less)
Kevin Kinney
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Trim indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 5/4/04 6:00 AM, "kkinney@fuse.net" <kkinney@fuse.net> wrote:
> As far as I can tell, the indicators are most useful on setting trim for
> takeoff. While in flight, the indicators are irrelevant as stick pressures
> dictates trim usage.
Right on!
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Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Trim indicator |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:28:34 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>Mine came with the meter movement and I'm staying with it. LED's can be
difficult to see in direct sunlight...
>On a semi-related note, LED's do wash out in the daylight.
The bright yellowish LEDs of the MAC/Ray Allen indicators do not wash out or become
difficult to see as the one I have on the panel will attest.
Or maybe I've flown the last 165 hours on cloudy days.
jeff do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
For the FAA, I don't know.
For the seats, I went to Canadian Tire and purchased
some neutral color lawn chair cushions that were of a
good dimension (they are beige). There is an opening
in the back where I inserted a 3/16 plywood. My
mother in law moditifed the cushion so they fit better
(follow the shape of the fuselage cut with the
centerwing).
Total cost.... 60$CDN + our great 15.5% tax. Of
course, there are more fancy ways of doing this.
One of my friend mentioned that the tissue is not fire
resistant... probable. However, I feel that the
minute there is enough heat to ignite whatever is
under my butt in that cockpit, I'll be already in a
very bad shape! Is there a treatment we can apply to
tissue to make it fire retardant?
Michel
--- Doug Mattson <dougmattson@isp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson"
> <dougmattson@isp.com>
>
> What did you 601 builders use to make the seat
> frames for covering out of?
>
> Also when I applied for registration I sent copies
> of the invoice. The FAA
> replied that was unacceptable and insists on a bill
> of sale.
>
> How does this work? I don't have one.
>
=====
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Harbor Freight Riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
There are about 200 rivets or so on the HD(s) models that have to be done by
hand....Oh yes did I get an appreciation for my iar riveter after my hand
was dropping off!
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance Gingell
Subject: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Riveter
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
--> <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
I bought a hand riveter from Harbor Freight this weeked...for $6.99!
I tried the custom heads from the pnematic riveter that I bought from ZAC on
it, and they fitted perfectly. A bargain for those hard to reach places.
I tried it out...just to see what 'quiet' manual riveting was like...well,
all I can say is that I pity anyone trying to build an airplane with a
manual riveter!
Cheers.
..lance
N601LG Rudder + Tail complete.
Wings on order (still), Fuse kit on order.
San Rafael, CA
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | 701 Dual Stick photo |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Well Larry Martin has done it again...
Look at his dual stick 701 setup at www.CH701.com
Pretty innovative....!
Thanks....!
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Trim indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> What have other folks got in their kits? RP2 or RP3 (LED).
> Anyone flying these? Which would you recommend?
My kit came with the RP3 (LED) version.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> well, all I can say is that I pity anyone trying to build an airplane
with a manual riveter!
Every rivet on mine is hand pulled with a cheapie manual riveter. Just
call me Popeye.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Harbor Freight Riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Call you "repetitive strain injury" more like...Your nuts...:)
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
wizard-24@juno.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Riveter
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> well, all I can say is that I pity anyone trying to build an airplane
with a manual riveter!
Every rivet on mine is hand pulled with a cheapie manual riveter. Just call
me Popeye.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | New Zenair CH 640 builder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stephen Adams <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Hello. I began the tail kit for the CH640 on April
1st. The rudder is complete, and the stabilator will
be done this week. I ordered the remainder of the kit
as a quickbuild and I wondered if anyone else out
there is working on a quickbuild kit. If so, have you
been satisfied with the quality of their construction
and the kit in general? Thanks.
__________________________________
http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
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| Subject: | Re: New Zenair CH 640 builder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Corey Davis" <Corey__14@hotmail.com>
QUIT SENDING ME SHIT!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Adams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: New Zenair CH 640 builder
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stephen Adams
<dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello. I began the tail kit for the CH640 on April
> 1st. The rudder is complete, and the stabilator will
> be done this week. I ordered the remainder of the kit
> as a quickbuild and I wondered if anyone else out
> there is working on a quickbuild kit. If so, have you
> been satisfied with the quality of their construction
> and the kit in general? Thanks.
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Corey Davis" <Corey__14@hotmail.com>
QUIT SENDING ME SHIT!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Riveter
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Call you "repetitive strain injury" more like...Your nuts...:)
>
> Frank
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> wizard-24@juno.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Riveter
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> > well, all I can say is that I pity anyone trying to build an airplane
> with a manual riveter!
>
> Every rivet on mine is hand pulled with a cheapie manual riveter. Just
call
> me Popeye.
>
> Mike Fortunato
> 601XL
>
> do not archive
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Zenair CH 640 builder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
You may want to unsubscribe from the list, rather than yell obscenities at
the rest of us. Try the unsubscribe link at the bottom.
Bill
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Corey Davis" <Corey__14@hotmail.com>
>
> QUIT SENDING ME SHIT!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: New Zenair CH 640 builder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Freeman" <stefree@qwest.net>
I Agree...what a weenie!
Steve
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Zenair CH 640 builder
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
>
> You may want to unsubscribe from the list, rather than yell obscenities at
> the rest of us. Try the unsubscribe link at the bottom.
>
> Bill
>
> Do not archive
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Corey Davis" <Corey__14@hotmail.com>
> >
> > QUIT SENDING ME SHIT!!!!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Dual Stick photo |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John W. Tarabocchia" <tarabocchia@peoplepc.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
> Well Larry Martin has done it again...
>
> Look at his dual stick 701 setup at www.CH701.com
>
> Pretty innovative....!
>
> Thanks....!
>
> do not archive
I just can't see having it any other way. Once you go stick you can't go
back. Very natural way to fly.
Nice job......!
Johnny Tarabocchia
601 HDS
N6042T
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Contact Zenith and tell them you need the Bill Of Sale for the FAA and they will
send you the official form required by the FAA.
My seat backs are made of thin plywood (3/16" I think). I attached a peice of aluminum
angle to to them and bent it to fit over the top edge of the baggage shelf
frame. They just sit there held in place by the weight of the seat cushion
and occupant. The shoulder harness passes through a notch cut in the upper outside
corner. My seats are each a one piece cushion made of three layers of confor-foam
covered with upholstery. They have a couple of Velcro strips sewn in
to hold them in place in the seat pan.
Bryan Martin
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" <dougmattson@isp.com>
>
> What did you 601 builders use to make the seat frames for covering out of?
>
> Also when I applied for registration I sent copies of the invoice. The FAA
> replied that was unacceptable and insists on a bill of sale.
>
> How does this work? I don't have one.
>
> Doug Mattson
>
> 601XL
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
I made them out of thin plastic. I cut the shape then laid them across
a large pipe. I put them out in the sun with weight on them to get
the curve I needed. Light and easy to form.
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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| Subject: | 912 hard starting when hot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@granderiver.net>
No other problems on 701. 175 hours so far. If we land and shut down for 10 to
15 minutes, engine is very hard to start, refusing to at all sometimes. After
a cool down of 30 mins or so, no problem. I took great pains to avoid potential
vapor locks when routing my fuel lines. All have fire sleeves and avoid the
exhaust. no loops. Any ideas? At all? Could fuel be percolating out of the carb
bowls? My water and oil temps have been normal. Ambient day temps here have
been 90 or so. What temp does gasoline boil at? Using mogas. Any ideas appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
Don't get too cocky there lance with that riveter :) I bought one from
there too, and it worked for about 100 rivets. I pulled most of mine with a
hand rivet puller. I was proud of the day that my forearms outlasted the
torsion spring in the riveter. Even with the spring gone, I managed to
squeeze the remaining few.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Riveter
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
> I bought a hand riveter from Harbor Freight this weeked...for $6.99!
>
> I tried the custom heads from the pnematic riveter that I bought from
> ZAC on it, and they fitted perfectly. A bargain for those hard to reach
> places.
>
> I tried it out...just to see what 'quiet' manual riveting was
> like...well, all I can say is that I pity anyone trying to build an
> airplane with a manual riveter!
>
> Cheers.
>
> ..lance
> N601LG Rudder + Tail complete.
> Wings on order (still), Fuse kit on order.
> San Rafael, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
I used 1/4" plywood for the backs. For the seat pans, I cut a blank of
fiberboard to size, then soaked it in my kids little pool so it became
pliable. I stuck it in the seats with weight on top of it to hold it firmly
to the seat pans, and let it dry. After it was dry, the boards kept that
shape, and I upolstered them.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Mattson" <dougmattson@isp.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Seats for 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" <dougmattson@isp.com>
>
> What did you 601 builders use to make the seat frames for covering out of?
>
> Also when I applied for registration I sent copies of the invoice. The FAA
> replied that was unacceptable and insists on a bill of sale.
>
> How does this work? I don't have one.
>
> Doug Mattson
>
> 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: New Zenair CH 640 builder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
It appears our list administrator needs to add a bit of chlorine to our gene
pool :)
Greg
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Freeman" <stefree@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Zenair CH 640 builder
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Freeman" <stefree@qwest.net>
>
> I Agree...what a weenie!
>
> Steve
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Zenair CH 640 builder
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
> >
> > You may want to unsubscribe from the list, rather than yell obscenities
at
> > the rest of us. Try the unsubscribe link at the bottom.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Corey Davis"
<Corey__14@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > QUIT SENDING ME SHIT!!!!!
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