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1. 04:51 AM - HAND RIVETER/ VS/ PNEUMATIC RIVETER (Thomas F Marson)
2. 05:53 AM - Flypass (Rculp4@aol.com)
3. 06:24 AM - Hand Riveters (Phil Raker)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: 912 hard starting when hot (Dave Austin)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: Flypass (Ed Kramer)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Hand Riveters (Larry McFarland)
7. 07:13 AM - Re: Flypass (Lawrence Webber)
8. 07:50 AM - XL Center Spar angle (DEGlass1@aol.com)
9. 08:02 AM - 701 Dual Stick (Jim Fosse)
10. 08:03 AM - Re: Harbor Freight Riveter (Garrou, Douglas)
11. 09:46 AM - Re: HAND RIVETER/ VS/ PNEUMATIC RIVETER/Vs Electric (Carlos Sa)
12. 10:05 AM - Re: Flypass (Benford2@aol.com)
13. 10:20 AM - Re: XL Center Spar angle (wizard-24@juno.com)
14. 12:48 PM - CH601HDS wheel vibration (Richard McLachlan)
15. 12:52 PM - Re: 912 hard starting when hot (Richard McLachlan)
16. 01:19 PM - Re: CH601HDS wheel vibration (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
17. 03:20 PM - Re: Flypass (Frank Jones)
18. 03:22 PM - Re: Seats for 601 (Frank Jones)
19. 04:25 PM - Re: CH601HDS wheel vibration (Joemotis@aol.com)
20. 04:39 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 05/03/04 (W.R. \)
21. 04:44 PM - Re: Flypass (Chesterman Family)
22. 04:59 PM - Re: Seats for 601 (Dan knezacek)
23. 05:33 PM - Re: CH601HDS wheel vibration (Larry McFarland)
24. 07:29 PM - Re: Flypass (Michel Therrien)
25. 07:50 PM - Re: CH601HDS wheel vibration (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
26. 07:51 PM - Re: CH601HDS wheel vibration (Thomas F Marson)
27. 07:58 PM - Facet pump failure (Jeff Small)
28. 07:58 PM - Re: XL Center Spar angle (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
29. 08:33 PM - Re: Facet pump failure (Cleone Markwell)
30. 09:17 PM - Re: Flypass (Jim and Lucy)
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| Subject: | HAND RIVETER/ VS/ PNEUMATIC RIVETER |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
I believe the pneumatic riveter will make a more consistent rivet joint
that not only looks m ore uniform it will be stronger. The hand riveter
when setting Stainless /Steel rivets is unavoidably twisted because of the
really great forces it takes to squeeze the handles.
I think most of those who have used both hand and pneumatic setting will
confirm the amount of twist you put into the handles of a hand squeeezer.
Tom Marson
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rculp4@aol.com
Greetings everyone:
Long time lurker - first time poster.
We got the 601XL plans last week, and there's no looking back now!
My question is directed towards the Canadians on here and their experiences with
Zenith's Canadian Distributor at the Waterloo, Ontario Airport - "Flypass"
I've had some initial contact with a couple people at Flypass; and...well....to
be brutally honest - I'm not impressed by their level of customer support so
far.
To be fair to them; so far I'm mostly talking about "response to email" type concerns,
and maybe that isn't their strong point; but in general I'm getting the
impression that they are extremely busy building their own planes for sale then
providing any level of "customer support" that I'm looking for from a kit
distributor.
Really....I'm not looking for much!....just less than 2 weeks response time on
emails?
Another example: I have been told that they just cancelled ALL future rudder workshops
due to people dropping out and Flypass getting stuck with the rudder
kits. Okay, I guess I can understand that, maybe, but I'm not sure why they just
didn't ask for payment up front. This seems to indicate that they really
aren't interested in doing the workshops at all, and this is an excuse. But they
are also telling me that I would have to wait 60 days for the rudder kit?
(what happenned to all those ones that they have got "stuck with?)
Again, to be fair; I haven't confirmed that lead time with Missouri yet....but
it seems VERY odd to me that Zenith wouldn't have dozens of the 601 rudder kits
on the shelves ready to send to eager new buyers like myself.
My understanding also is that Zenith will let us ship directly to Canada without
using Flypass...which just seems odd to me. (ie: side-stepping their own distributor???)
Anyway:
Before we decide that Flypass isn't an organization that we want to deal with;
I'm looking for any comments that you guys may have.
Thank you VERY MUCH in advance for your responses!
Randy Culp
601XL
912S (most likely)
199% to go!
p.s. If there are any builders/flyers of Zodiacs on here from SW Ontario or the
northern Detroit area - I'd love to talk with you about your project and/or
stop by to help you out, or go for a flight!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
Call us what you like, but there are apparently quite a few of us who have
built the planes entirely with hand riveters, with no problems. The only rivet
pulling tool I've used is the one sent by ZAC, a Blue Point (Snap-On). It has
worked very well and caused no apparent problems with stress/strain on the
arm/wrist/hand. Of course, I haven't been trying to build the plane in 7 days
(or 1 year), either. This building process is getting old - I want to go fly
this thing.
Phil Raker N556P
HDS/Stratus ~85% complete, probably 98% of riveting done
> Call you "repetitive strain injury" more like...Your nuts...:)
> well, all I can say is that I pity anyone trying to build an airplane
> with a manual riveter!
> Every rivet on mine is hand pulled with a cheapie manual riveter. Just call
> me Popeye.
__________________________________
http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
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| Subject: | Re: 912 hard starting when hot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Ronnie,
Is that a 912? If so, your plug gaps are probably greater than 20 thou.
Been there..
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
>Before we decide that Flypass isn't an organization that we want to deal
with; I'm looking for >any comments that you guys may have.
Randy,
I was a customer of the previous owners of Flypass, their service
was excellent.
As a customer of Flypass just before the new owners took over I was
surprised they never tried to contact me to continue service. The service I
get from Zenith in Mexico, MO is great.
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701
edair701@adelphia.net
Build Status:
Completed: Rudder, Left wing, Right wing.
Working On: Flaperons 50%
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveters |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Hand Riveters
> Call us what you like, but there are apparently quite a few of us who have
> built the planes entirely with hand riveters, with no problems.
>
> > well, all I can say is that I pity anyone trying to build an airplane
> > with a manual riveter!
>
I agree with Phil. I had a power riveter, but spent too much time redoing
and reloading.
After the first day of use, it was placed on the shelf where it has sat
until now.
I've worn out 3 manual riveters and have made two sets of dies for the
heads.
There's an accuracy and feel that goes with manually pulling rivets that
helps you to know
if the seat, alignment, and compression are equal to whats needed for a good
appearance.
I'd make a good deal on an unused air riveter if anyone needs one.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS (99.9% done)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lawrence Webber" <lawrencewebber@hotmail.com>
Hello to all from Rhode Island. to answer your questions about flypass, why not
just ask zenith directly???? as a tool supplier , when i have a problem with
any distributor i get it resolved to prevent any situation from getting out of
hand, as well as eliminating letters that cast ability questions. Zenith has
been nothing short of a good company to do business with. good luck in resolving
your apprehensions. a 601xl builder
LarryFrom: Rculp4@aol.com Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Flypass Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 08:49:12 -0400
-- Zenith-List message posted by: Rculp4@aol.com Greetings everyone: Long
time lurker - first time poster. We got the 601XL plans last week, and there's
no looking back now! My question is directed towards the Canadians on here
and their experiences with Zenith's Canadian Distributor at the Waterloo, Ontario
Airport - "Flypass" I've had some initial contact with a couple people
at Flypass; and...well....to be brutally honest - I'm not impressed by their level
of customer support so far. To be fair to them; so far I'm mostly talking
about "response to email" type concerns, and maybe that isn't their strong point;
but in general I'm getting the impression that they are extremely busy building
their own planes for sale then provid
ing any level of "customer support" that I'm looking for from a kit distributor.
Really....I'm not looking for much!....just less than 2 weeks response time
on emails? Another example: I have been told that they just cancelled ALL future
rudder workshops due to people dropping out and Flypass getting stuck with
the rudder kits. Okay, I guess I can understand that, maybe, but I'm not sure
why they just didn't ask for payment up front. This seems to indicate that they
really aren't interested in doing the workshops at all, and this is an excuse.
But they are also telling me that I would have to wait 60 days for the rudder
kit? (what happenned to all those ones that they have got "stuck with?)
Again, to be fair; I haven't confirmed that lead time with Missouri yet....but
it seems VERY odd to me that Zenith wouldn't have dozens of the 601 rudder kits
on the shelves ready to send to eager new buyers like myself. My understanding
also is that Zenith
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| Subject: | XL Center Spar angle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: DEGlass1@aol.com
In preparing the layout for the spar cutouts in the front side fuse skins , I discovered
that my center spar sits at 83 degrees off level, instead of the required
81 degrees. Shimming the rear flange with a full-width strip of .080 brings
it to 81 deg. As drilled and mounted, the spar flanges sit nicely on the
cabin floor.
Both Nick and Designer Chris at ZAC say it's OK to shim, but they (and I) have
concerns about why it's needed.
Everything's square and plumb, the upper longerons and gear channel are level,
firewall's at the correct angle...
Did anyone else have this issue? What might I have missed? And does this foreshadow
a problem with the wing spars?
Thanks for any experience you can share.
David Glass
XL Fuse, controls, and gear
Forest, VA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
I guess I should address this question to Larry Martin, so will do so. Is there
a possibility of obtaining the details for the dual stick? It certainly has
my interest.
Jim Fosse
701-Rudder & Firewall complete, working on horiz. stab.
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
PLEASE KEEP SENDING ME S%#T!
AND SEND ME THE GOOD STUFF TOO! IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME!!
Doug Garrou, Project 801
www.garrou.com
definitely do not archive
----- Original Message -----
Time: 11:44:38 AM PST US
From: "Corey Davis" <Corey__14@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Harbor Freight Riveter
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Corey Davis" <Corey__14@hotmail.com>
QUIT SENDING ME SHIT!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: HAND RIVETER/ VS/ PNEUMATIC RIVETER/Vs Electric |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
I find it difficult to control the hand riveter when setting the A5s (position,
kickback when the
stem snaps).
I've been using an attachment to my cordless drill that works well for me.
The power rivetter allows me to concentrate in correctly positioning the rivet
while the tool
applies the brute force.
Here's a couple of links to the tool:
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.asp?Product_ID=SB110
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/main.htm (be sure to scroll down)
My 2 cents...
Carlos
> I believe the pneumatic riveter will make a more consistent rivet joint
> that not only looks m ore uniform it will be stronger. The hand riveter
> when setting Stainless /Steel rivets is unavoidably twisted because of the
> really great forces it takes to squeeze the handles.
>
> I think most of those who have used both hand and pneumatic setting will
> confirm the amount of twist you put into the handles of a hand squeeezer.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 5/5/2004 7:50:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
edair701@adelphia.net writes:
> The service I
> get from Zenith in Mexico, MO is great.
>
I secong that !!!!! Go straight to Nick or Roger in Mo. They are really great
people to do business with. In this day of con artists and scams it is
wonderful to work with Zenith and to see their comittment to a finished product
the
sold the kit for.
Ben Haas N801BH do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: XL Center Spar angle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
It's been a while since I was at that stage, but I recall that the bottom
of the forward fuse should have a slight upward angle which will affect
the net angle at which your spar will sit. I'm not sure that the 2 degree
difference is anything to be that concerned about, because once the wings
are mounted there's some flex and the incidence can be corrected before
installing the rear attachment bolt. But if it's a concern, then I would
check the bottom angle to see if that's where the problem is. Or, simply
shim as ZAC ok'd.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
> In preparing the layout for the spar cutouts in the front side fuse
> skins , I discovered that my center spar sits at 83 degrees off
> level, instead of the required 81 degrees. Shimming the rear flange
> with a full-width strip of .080 brings it to 81 deg. As drilled and
> mounted, the spar flanges sit nicely on the cabin floor.
> Both Nick and Designer Chris at ZAC say it's OK to shim, but they
> (and I) have concerns about why it's needed.
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| Subject: | CH601HDS wheel vibration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
Since renewing the main wheel tyres on our 601HDS, we are getting severe
vibration just as we approach take off speed and immediately after touch
down. We inadvertently replaced the tyres with slightly narrower ones and
wonder if this is the cause. It seems that you cannot balance the wheels
statically and dynamically like those on a car as the kit in most tyre shops
won't go that small, so we cannot check whether out of balance is the
problem.
This problem never happened with the old tyres, so other than buying another
set of new ones exactly the same size as the old, we are not sure of what to
try to cure it.
Has anybody else had the same problem?
Richard McLachlan
CH601/R22
landing site details at www.rodsley.net
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| Subject: | Re: 912 hard starting when hot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
Yes, I agree. We had exactly the same, reduced the gaps to 20 thou and the
problem went away.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 hard starting when hot
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> Ronnie,
> Is that a 912? If so, your plug gaps are probably greater than 20 thou.
> Been there..
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
>
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| Subject: | CH601HDS wheel vibration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Mine vibrate too but its not so bad so I don't worry about it.. It could be
that your tyres are "out of round"...I.e it lifts the plane up and down as
the wheel rotates,....Had a spam can that did that once.
You can check by mounting a fixed pointer next to the tread with the wheel
jacked off the ground and rotate the wheel slowly. If it is you could try to
reseat the tyre on the bead or send it back.
As to balance, put a mark with a felt tip pen on the sidewall of each
tyre...Spin the tyre and see if the mark stops in the same place each
time....If it does its out of balance.
You can then add a small stick on weight at the top of the wheel after it
stops, keep doing this until the tyres stops in random positions. You might
have to loosen the wheel spindle to reduce bearing drag befor eyou do this.
It won't be perfect but it might get you close enough
Frank
HDS 322 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
McLachlan
Subject: Zenith-List: CH601HDS wheel vibration
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan"
--> <richard@rodsley.net>
Since renewing the main wheel tyres on our 601HDS, we are getting severe
vibration just as we approach take off speed and immediately after touch
down. We inadvertently replaced the tyres with slightly narrower ones and
wonder if this is the cause. It seems that you cannot balance the wheels
statically and dynamically like those on a car as the kit in most tyre shops
won't go that small, so we cannot check whether out of balance is the
problem.
This problem never happened with the old tyres, so other than buying another
set of new ones exactly the same size as the old, we are not sure of what to
try to cure it.
Has anybody else had the same problem?
Richard McLachlan
CH601/R22
landing site details at www.rodsley.net
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Randy,
I bought my kit from the previous owners of Flypass and was very happy
with Art's service. As I progressed through building I began to rely
more on Zenith for direct customer support. I found dealing with both to
be timely. I have no experience with the current owners of Flypass, but
in my experience you can get by fine by dealing directly with Zenith.
Frank Jones
Ottawa
C-GYXQ
>My question is directed towards the Canadians on here and their
>I've had some initial contact with a couple people at Flypass;
>and...well....to be brutally honest - I'm not impressed by their level
of >customer support so far.
>
>Randy Culp
>601XL
>912S (most likely)
>199% to go!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Michel,
You can treat fabric with a spray made from water, boric acid, and
Borax. I It acts as a fire retardant. Not sure how good it is though. I
found a recipe somewhere on the web using Google.
Frank Jones
C-GYXQ
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| Subject: | Re: CH601HDS wheel vibration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Any motorcycle shop that sells tires should be able to balance them for you.
Joe Motis
601 XL
Left and right wing skeletons ready to rivet
Flaps completed
Ailerons completed
Working on aileron trim tab
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 05/03/04 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "W.R. \"Gig\" Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
I thought the Stratomaster seemed like a great idea too. Then I e-mailed
them and found out that
it would not show fuel seperatly for each tank.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
I recently ordered the new heated pitot tube for the Dynon, I will be
ordering the rest of the system in the next month or so. I have been
looking at the Stratomaster Ultra "X" for engine monitoring and backup ASI,
VSI and Alt. Just wondering if anyone else is using or has experience with
the Stratomaster?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Chesterman Family <chesterman@on.aibn.com>
having bought my kit from flypass in 96 i can say i got fine service but as a business
owner myself i have often wondered why cheap plans builders should expect
hrs of advice via phone, fax or email for the measly sum they paid for the
plans. You must remember that your passion is a hobby but for the guys who put
groceries on their tables helping us homebuilders, there just is dick all for
profit selling a set of $400 plans and then answering questions for next 5
years. So i would say this. if you bought plans only, then expect no
service and be thankfull for whatever you get. If you bought a $20000 kit than
you have helped someone buy some groceries and you should expect some "time" from
the seller .
Also if i was paying them $50/hr to build my plane i sure would not want them talking
to you on my time.
There is lots of help on this list to help but if you kept calling them at work
for free advice they would likely be short as well.
Since this subject comes up over and over
please archive
Dave C
successfull 701 builder from 49%
my two cents worth
> We got the 601XL plans last week, and there's no looking back now!
>
> My question is directed towards the Canadians on here and their experiences with
Zenith's Canadian Distributor at the Waterloo, Ontario Airport - "Flypass"
>
> I've had some initial contact with a couple people at Flypass; and...well....to
be brutally honest - I'm not impressed by their level of customer support so
far.
> To be fair to them; so far I'm mostly talking about "response to email" type
concerns, and maybe that isn't their strong point; but in general I'm getting
the impression that they are extremely busy building their own planes for sale
then providing any level of "customer support" that I'm looking for from a kit
distributor.
> Really....I'm not looking
>
> Ra============================
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
When I was in Canadian Tire the other day I saw a tent waterproofing that is
also a fire retardant. I think it was around $12.99 per spray can.
Dan
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
>
> Michel,
>
> You can treat fabric with a spray made from water, boric acid, and
> Borax. I It acts as a fire retardant. Not sure how good it is though. I
> found a recipe somewhere on the web using Google.
>
> Frank Jones
> C-GYXQ
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH601HDS wheel vibration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH601HDS wheel vibration
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan"
<richard@rodsley.net>
>
> Since renewing the main wheel tyres on our 601HDS, we are getting severe
> vibration just as we approach take off speed and immediately after touch
> down. We inadvertently replaced the tyres with slightly narrower ones >
Richard McLachlan
>
> CH601/R22
Richard,
I've used the Michelin "S-83" tires with tubes that are a little narrower
than the wheel barrow tires. They are rated at 375 lbs and are a bit
more streamlined and used on motorscooters. 3.5 x 8.0 Havn't heard
about anyone having vibes with these yet.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS @ www.macsmachine.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I did not speak with anyone at Flypass recently
altough I sent an email a month or so ago and never
received an answer. I cannot comment on the new
management.
In the past, I got excellent service from Art Mitchell
even though I did not even buy the plans from him. I
also get excellent service from ZAC.
One thing I found disapointing with Flypass when I
purchased some fairings was that parts are shipped
from the US anyway (they don't have inventory). So,
the distributor only adds complexity in the
transaction... does not save cost and takes more time
(they have to relay the order).
Michel
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--- Frank Jones <fjones@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >My question is directed towards the Canadians on
> here and their
> >I've had some initial contact with a couple people
> at Flypass;
> >and...well....to be brutally honest - I'm not
> impressed by their level
> of >customer support so far.
> >
> >Randy Culp
> >601XL
> >912S (most likely)
> >199% to go!
>
=====
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
__________________________________
http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
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| Subject: | CH601HDS wheel vibration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Usually, the tires and the tubes will each have some residual imbalance. As I recall
the heavy side is marked on aircraft tires and tubes so that you can mount
the tires with the heavy point on the tire opposite the heavy point on the
tube. You may have your tubes and tires mounted with the residual imbalances on
the same side. You could try to dissasemble the wheels and remount the tires
180 degrees around the tube from where they are now. Or try to determine where
the heavy spot on the tubes and tires are seperately and remount them with these
spots opposite each other.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan"
> --> <richard@rodsley.net>
>
> Since renewing the main wheel tyres on our 601HDS, we are getting severe
> vibration just as we approach take off speed and immediately after touch
> down. We inadvertently replaced the tyres with slightly narrower ones and
> wonder if this is the cause. It seems that you cannot balance the wheels
> statically and dynamically like those on a car as the kit in most tyre shops
> won't go that small, so we cannot check whether out of balance is the
> problem.
>
> This problem never happened with the old tyres, so other than buying another
> set of new ones exactly the same size as the old, we are not sure of what to
> try to cure it.
>
> Has anybody else had the same problem?
>
> Richard McLachlan
>
> CH601/R22
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH601HDS wheel vibration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
ABSOLUTLY, YOUR TIRES ARE OUT OF BALANCE. You need to either do them
statically or dynamically. I understand go-cart racing shops can handle it.
Other wise you can do cut and try method making an on the plane spinner. By
process of elimination you can do it this way but it frequently takes a long
time.
I have done it many times but it is tedious.
Tom M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH601HDS wheel vibration
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan"
<richard@rodsley.net>
>
> Since renewing the main wheel tyres on our 601HDS, we are getting severe
> vibration just as we approach take off speed and immediately after touch
> down. We inadvertently replaced the tyres with slightly narrower ones and
> wonder if this is the cause. It seems that you cannot balance the wheels
> statically and dynamically like those on a car as the kit in most tyre
shops
> won't go that small, so we cannot check whether out of balance is the
> problem.
>
> This problem never happened with the old tyres, so other than buying
another
> set of new ones exactly the same size as the old, we are not sure of what
to
> try to cure it.
>
> Has anybody else had the same problem?
>
> Richard McLachlan
>
> CH601/R22
>
> landing site details at www.rodsley.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Facet pump failure |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 5 May 2004 22:56:40 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
The Facet 40105 that is used to transfer fuel from LE tanks to header tank failed
on a short flight back to base after flying Young Eagles Last Saturday.
We tend to treat these things as though they'll never let us down, this is not
always the case. The a/c has 165 hours and the transfer pump is usually run about
15 to 18 minutes of each hour.
Thank heavens for a header tank.
Tailwinds Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: XL Center Spar angle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Until you rivet the spar section to the forward side skins, it can be flexed forward
and back a few degrees. You use the spar jigs to set the proper angle as
you mark the spar location on the side skins. Install the right jig to mark the
left forward side skin and vice versa. Cut inside the lines and trim gradually
until you can install both jigs with the side skins in place then do your
final marking and trimming and drill and cleco.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: DEGlass1@aol.com
>
> In preparing the layout for the spar cutouts in the front side fuse skins , I
> discovered that my center spar sits at 83 degrees off level, instead of the
> required 81 degrees. Shimming the rear flange with a full-width strip of .080
> brings it to 81 deg. As drilled and mounted, the spar flanges sit nicely on
the
> cabin floor.
> Both Nick and Designer Chris at ZAC say it's OK to shim, but they (and I) have
> concerns about why it's needed.
> Everything's square and plumb, the upper longerons and gear channel are level,
> firewall's at the correct angle...
> Did anyone else have this issue? What might I have missed? And does this
> foreshadow a problem with the wing spars?
>
> Thanks for any experience you can share.
>
> David Glass
> XL Fuse, controls, and gear
> Forest, VA
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Facet pump failure |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Glad that you had no trouble with it. I received 2 pumps and put them in
paralell. Use only one at a time usually and only to get things
started. I don't use them for take off and landing like many guys do. I
can reach the switches easily. Perhaps not a good idea. Also, don't have
a header tank. I don't know. Ever think there are a lot of things out
there just ready to get us? Cleone
At 09:56 PM 5/5/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>
>The Facet 40105 that is used to transfer fuel from LE tanks to header tank
>failed on a short flight back to base after flying Young Eagles Last Saturday.
>
>We tend to treat these things as though they'll never let us down, this is
>not always the case. The a/c has 165 hours and the transfer pump is
>usually run about 15 to 18 minutes of each hour.
>
>Thank heavens for a header tank.
>
>Tailwinds Jeff
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
At 08:49 AM 5/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Randy Culp
>601XL
>912S (most likely)
>199% to go!
>
>p.s. If there are any builders/flyers of Zodiacs on here from SW Ontario
>or the northern Detroit area - I'd love to talk with you about your
>project and/or stop by to help you out, or go for a flight!
I am in that area
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont.
Its only on the really good maps.
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