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1. 05:17 AM - Re: Flypass (Randy_Culp@longmfg.com)
2. 06:11 AM - Front wheel turning/701 (Larry Martin)
3. 07:52 AM - Re: Facet pump failure (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
4. 08:09 AM - CH601HDS wheel vibration (Brandon Tucker)
5. 08:35 AM - XL Center Spar Angle (victor verdev)
6. 08:53 AM - CzechHD flps kit & spar (phillip hartig)
7. 09:22 AM - Re: Facet pump failure (Thomas F Marson)
8. 09:33 AM - Re: CzechHD flps kit & spar (Keith Ashcraft)
9. 09:57 AM - Re: Zenith in Seattle (royt.or@netzero.com)
10. 10:55 AM - pressurized engine mounts (David Barth)
11. 11:15 AM - nose skin bending. (David Barth)
12. 11:25 AM - Re: nose skin bending. (Carlos Sa)
13. 11:39 AM - Re: nose skin bending. (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
14. 11:51 AM - pneumatic riveter (Brett Hanley)
15. 11:55 AM - Re: nose skin bending. (Beckman, Rick)
16. 11:55 AM - pneumatic riveter (Brett Hanley)
17. 01:05 PM - Looking for N701US (Lowell Metz)
18. 01:21 PM - Re: nose skin bending. (Steelframe AUS)
19. 02:06 PM - Re: Looking for N701US (Lawrence Webber)
20. 02:07 PM - Re: nose skin bending. (David Barth)
21. 02:10 PM - Re: nose skin bending. (David Barth)
22. 02:18 PM - Re: pneumatic riveter (Zwyers, Jason)
23. 02:22 PM - Re: Looking for N701US (Dave Alberti)
24. 02:25 PM - Re: nose skin bending. (John Shandor)
25. 02:51 PM - Re: pneumatic riveter (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
26. 03:18 PM - Re: Looking for N701US (ronnie wehba)
27. 03:37 PM - Re: pneumatic riveter (Rick Roberts)
28. 04:25 PM - Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders (roy vickski)
29. 04:37 PM - smaller 701 (ronnie wehba)
30. 04:46 PM - small 701 (ronnie wehba)
31. 05:06 PM - Re: CzechHD flps kit & spar (Randy Stout)
32. 05:21 PM - Re: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders (wizard-24@juno.com)
33. 05:26 PM - Re: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders (Jarek M. Walter)
34. 05:28 PM - Re: copy from pdf files (was small 701) (Carlos Sa)
35. 05:37 PM - Re: Flypass (Jarek M. Walter)
36. 06:06 PM - Re: XL Center Spar Angle (DEGlass1@aol.com)
37. 06:10 PM - Re: Flypass (Murray Johnson)
38. 06:31 PM - Re: CzechHD flps kit & spar (Greg Ferris)
39. 06:51 PM - Rotax Oil Change (Frank Jones)
40. 07:13 PM - Re: HD Flaps (The Meiste's)
41. 07:38 PM - Fw: Flypass (Dave Austin)
42. 08:08 PM - Re: nose skin bending. (Cdngoose)
43. 08:43 PM - Re: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders (etn industries limited)
44. 08:55 PM - mixed building (etn industries limited)
45. 11:07 PM - Re: pressurized engine mounts (Dirk Slabbert)
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05/06/2004 08:13:25 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy_Culp@longmfg.com
First of all....THANKS for everyone who responded to my inquiry!
All of your comments were truly appreciated.
Other points I want to make before going back to "lurking": ;-)
1) I am not a plans builder.
Yes; I have only bought the plans so far, but my FEW questions to Flypass
so far have surrounded logistics type issues for ordering the full kit
through them. So yes; they have not gotten any money from me yet (I
ordered the plans from Missouri), but there is definitely a large potential
future buy sitting there for them to obtain if they show me they are
interested in my business.
2) A couple of you suggested that I should contact Zenith directly instead
of posting my concerns on this forum without finding out first if my
concerns were valid or not. Well; what can I say....I agree with you.
That was my mistake, and I'll know better in the future. My original post
should just have simply read "any comments out here about customer service
of Flypass" and I should have left it at that. Again; I apologize to the
people here on this forum, as well as to Flypass if I have indeed got the
wrong impression, and I promise to put more thought into posts in the
future.
3) Many of you spoke to the GREAT customer service that you recieve
directly from Zenith. Well....I've noticed a lot of that on this forum,
and definitely have no concerns there. In fact; my current thinking is to
go with my "gut feel" and just deal with them from now on.
Thanks again everyone!
Happy building/flying.
Randy Culp
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| Subject: | Front wheel turning/701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Yesterday, we had the engine off my 701. I noticed that with the engine mounted
it was almost impossible to turn the front wheel with the rudder petals standing
still. Without the engine weight out and the front wheel off the ground,
the rudder petals are still too hard and the front wheel turns very little.
It appears to be fighting the bungee more than the friction plates at the bottom
of the steering post. Considering how little the front wheel turns at full
petal, which is very little, I am wondering if it does any good at all to have
the front wheel steerable. Has anyone just removed the steering rods and seen
what difference it makes on the ground? The bungee will hold the wheel straight
in flight. I really think with all the rudder the 701 has and toe brakes,
there is a need to have a steerable front wheel. I would hate to have to hold
rudder very long as it is now.
Larry N1345L
Take a look, www.gyrostabs.com
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| Subject: | Facet pump failure |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Thanks for the input Jeff, however for those of us who use wing tanks with
no header we will absolutly NOT use a single pump to risk our lives on...
Will we boys and girls?....:)
In fact I and a few others use two completely independent electrical
supplies...one for each pump as well.
Incidently the 40105 pump is really not enough pressure to pump from the
tank to the carb...zero PSI on TO is a little unerving!...You want the 40106
pump for this...both tyes are usually available in any autoparts shop but
badge under a different name...numbers are the same thogh.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Small
Subject: Zenith-List: Facet pump failure
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
The Facet 40105 that is used to transfer fuel from LE tanks to header tank
failed on a short flight back to base after flying Young Eagles Last
Saturday.
We tend to treat these things as though they'll never let us down, this is
not always the case. The a/c has 165 hours and the transfer pump is usually
run about 15 to 18 minutes of each hour.
Thank heavens for a header tank.
Tailwinds Jeff
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | CH601HDS wheel vibration |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Richard,
About 15 years ago I worked for Goodyear racing.
When we sold tires at small flat-track races, the deep
wheels would not fit in the standard balancing
machine. We used a machine just like this one. $49.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=39741
Might be worth a try.
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
building wing tanks
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| Subject: | XL Center Spar Angle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev <vjvus@yahoo.com>
David- I also had to add .060 shim to the rear flange
of spar to get correct angle without over bending the
alum. base. I purchased complete kit from ZAC. Vic
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| Subject: | CzechHD flps kit & spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: phillip hartig <ncwingless@yahoo.com>
Hello All:
I was wondering if anyone had a drawing (not detailed plans) of the HD flap
kit, mechanical version. They come from the Czech factory via Florida for US entry.
Has anyone actually ordered the plans only for this mod? Also, I didnt
want to bother the guys at the factory for an exact quote, but has anyone bought
a set of un-drilled HD spars recently. If so, what was the ballpark cost?
I am thinking of Scratch building a set of HD outer wings for an HDS. Thanks
phill
ncwingless@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Facet pump failure |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Why not use them on landing and takeoff. Seems like this an obvious time y
ou would want them. Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cleone Markwell" <cleone@rr1.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Facet pump failure
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
>
> Glad that you had no trouble with it. I received 2 pumps and put them in
> paralell. Use only one at a time usually and only to get things
> started. I don't use them for take off and landing like many guys do. I
> can reach the switches easily. Perhaps not a good idea. Also, don't have
> a header tank. I don't know. Ever think there are a lot of things out
> there just ready to get us? Cleone
>
>
> At 09:56 PM 5/5/04, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
> >
> >The Facet 40105 that is used to transfer fuel from LE tanks to header
tank
> >failed on a short flight back to base after flying Young Eagles Last
Saturday.
> >
> >We tend to treat these things as though they'll never let us down, this
is
> >not always the case. The a/c has 165 hours and the transfer pump is
> >usually run about 15 to 18 minutes of each hour.
> >
> >Thank heavens for a header tank.
> >
> >Tailwinds Jeff
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CzechHD flps kit & spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Hello Phill,
I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but, you can check the
Zenith's Database Online.
Go to their web site WWW.ZENITHAIR.COM,
then above the Zodiac CH640 picture click on the Builders tab,
then either use your own Login information or use the one ZAC has issued
you.
then at that page scroll down about 1/3 of the way and click on Search
our Online Kit Parts Database
that brings up a Database Log On page and _*follow the directions*_
(hint: User ID: guest and Password: guest)
then click "View" to search the database.
Here you can do individual searches or multiple searches and check
prices of parts.
I hope this helps. Good Luck!!
Keith
CH701 (only 123% left)
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
phillip hartig wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: phillip hartig <ncwingless@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Hello All:
>
> I was wondering if anyone had a drawing (not detailed plans) of the HD flap
kit, mechanical version. They come from the Czech factory via Florida for US
entry. Has anyone actually ordered the plans only for this mod? Also, I didnt
want to bother the guys at the factory for an exact quote, but has anyone bought
a set of un-drilled HD spars recently. If so, what was the ballpark cost?
I am thinking of Scratch building a set of HD outer wings for an HDS. Thanks
phill
>
>ncwingless@yahoo.com
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith in Seattle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com
J,
My CH601HDS is based at HIO (~120nm south of SEA). I sent you an private email
with an offer for seat time and did not see a response.
Is your plane nose or tail wheel? What engine?
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 202.4hrs,
279 landings
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| Subject: | pressurized engine mounts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
hi list.
I was at a welding seminar a few weeks back and the
welder told me that when doing tube and fabric
aircraft, he would leave a hole in the tubing inside
the joints so that the entire fuselage becomes
interconnected internally. Only adds boiled linseed
oil in one spot and it makes its way around. He also
installed a fitting into tubing in the cockpit so he
could pressurize the fuselage with 5 psi or so and
left a guage there constantly showing the pressure.
If there was ever a crack in the fuse tubine he would
note the pressure drop on the guage.
I was wondering if anyone saw a problem of doing this
with my engine mount. If it was made to hold pressure
and I had a pressure guage easily visible inside the
cowel, I could check it on every preflight. I know
there have been a few cracks that were found from time
to time on the engine mounts of list members and I
felt this might be an easy way to spot problems
without taking the cowling off every preflight.
Thoughts anyone? thanks for your help.
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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| Subject: | nose skin bending. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
After much head scratching I found a simple, easy, no
(or very low) cost way to bend that 12 foot nose skin
for the XL wings. There is nothing like a simple
solution. Anyone interested? Just wanted to know
before I draw it up and add a lengthy explanation of
the process.
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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| Subject: | Re: nose skin bending. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
I'm definitely interested, presuming the process can be applied to the HD skin.
Carlos
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--- David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> After much head scratching I found a simple, easy, no
> (or very low) cost way to bend that 12 foot nose skin
> for the XL wings. There is nothing like a simple
> solution. Anyone interested? Just wanted to know
> before I draw it up and add a lengthy explanation of
> the process.
>
> David
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| Subject: | nose skin bending. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
So the baggage strap method used on the HD(S) won't work for the XL??
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Barth
Subject: Zenith-List: nose skin bending.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
After much head scratching I found a simple, easy, no
(or very low) cost way to bend that 12 foot nose skin
for the XL wings. There is nothing like a simple
solution. Anyone interested? Just wanted to know
before I draw it up and add a lengthy explanation of
the process.
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | pneumatic riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
I think my eighty nine dollar compressor and thirty
eight dollar riveter are the best tool investment I
ever made. I almost gave myself carpal tunnel syndrome
with the pneumatic riveter. Therefore, I cannot
imagine this project without them!!
Brett Hanley DC
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| Subject: | nose skin bending. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
After much head scratching I found a simple, easy, no
(or very low) cost way to bend that 12 foot nose skin
for the XL wings. There is nothing like a simple
solution. Anyone interested? Just wanted to know
before I draw it up and add a lengthy explanation of
the process.
David
You have me curious, Dave!! Do tell!!
Rick in MO
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| Subject: | pneumatic riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
I think my eighty nine dollar compressor and thirty
eight dollar riveter from Harbor Freight are the best
tool investment I ever made. With so many rivets I
almost gave myself carpal tunnel syndrome with the
pneumatic riveter. Therefore, I cannot imagine this
project without them!!
Brett Hanley DC
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| Subject: | Looking for N701US |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
List,
I had a computer crash and lost some information. I would like to get back
in touch with the owner of a CH701 N701US Serial # 7-4514
Lowell Metz
701
Venice FL.
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| Subject: | Re: nose skin bending. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steelframe AUS" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
G'Day David,
Yes I would be very intrested in your bending process.
Regards
Ron Saarinen (in Australia)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: nose skin bending.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
>
> After much head scratching I found a simple, easy, no
> (or very low) cost way to bend that 12 foot nose skin
> for the XL wings. There is nothing like a simple
> solution. Anyone interested? Just wanted to know
> before I draw it up and add a lengthy explanation of
> the process.
>
> David
>
>
> You have me curious, Dave!! Do tell!!
>
> Rick in MO
>
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Looking for N701US |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lawrence Webber" <lawrencewebber@hotmail.com>
If you contact zenithair.com they should be able to tell you who that serial number
belongs to good luck
Larry
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| Subject: | nose skin bending. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
--- "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com> wrote:
>
> You have me curious, Dave!!
> Do tell!!
>
>
> Rick in MO
>
I didn't want to have to build any sort of jig if I
could avoid it. After trimming the 12 X 4 sheet to
900 mm width, I used ratchet straps to start the
folding process while the sheet was lying on the
table. (I only have 4 of those so I supported the
edges of the material with wood slats.
Once the process was started I switched to thin
plastic packing straps. I thought with the pressure on
the skin (not now but during the actual bending) the
ratchet straps might be thick enough to mark the .025.
I used 12 of them so the spaces in between were small
and the stresses on the edges of the skin were small.
Still, I used wood slats along the length on both
edges to support the skin and spread out the forces
from the straps. (1/4" X 3" X 8' wood straps I had
around) These packing straps have wire clips that
allow you to tighten them. I tightened them
incrementally from one end to the other and back again
several times until the edges of the skin were about
an inch apart. (You could bring them right together
and hold them with duct tape I suppose and I may do
that for the next one. )
Then I laid a piece of scrap carpet(short pile - I
don't think shag would do a very nice job) on the
concrete floor along the side of the work table and
laid the skin down on it. We them tipped the table
over to upside down and laid it down on the floor and
the skin so that the nose was just back of the edge
beam of the table. I can send anyone who likes a
sketch of this if you email me off list.
Then press down on the edge of the table (my 12 foot
table is very stiff and makes an excellent brake)and
check the radius against a nose rib. Do it again until
you are satisfied. It was a very uniform bend.
You can control the radius somewhat by putting a stop
under the table edge so it can only be pressed so far
down. I would sugest a test peice if you don't want to
experiment with a 3 X 12 foot piece of expensive
sheet.
Email me off list with any questions.
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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| Subject: | Re: nose skin bending. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Scott Laughlin has generously posted photos of the
bent skin on his website.
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/DavidB/noseskin1a.jpg
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/DavidB/noseskin2a.jpg
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/DavidB/noseskin3a.jpg
Thanks Scott
Sorry next time I will take more photos of the
process.
David
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601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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| Subject: | pneumatic riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zwyers, Jason" <JZwyers@Talisentech.com>
Concerning pneumatic riveting over hand pullers...
When working on areas of light material such as the wing skins where
they attach to the ribs. After the pressure of drilling, de-burring and
pneumatic riveting the area surrounding the rivet was slightly dimpled.
It typically takes two cycles of the hand riveter to set and break the
stem. If you hand rivet these areas after the first pull before you
break the stem you can give a slight tug to pull the dimple out. Then
the final squeeze setting the rivet.
Of course the A5's attaching the skin to the spar are not affected so I
will use the pneumatic.
Have others seen this?
Jason in MO
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| Subject: | Looking for N701US |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
Here is an old message from Jon (The guy your looking for)
Match: #7 Message: #26317 From: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com> Subject:
Re: spar rivet size Date: Dec 04, 2003
Steve,
I just completed my spars and used the same oversized extrusions. I went to
the next size up (AD5-7) in order to satisfy the formula for length (not on
the top of my head at the moment). It all came out fine!
Jon
N701US
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| Subject: | Re: nose skin bending. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Shandor" <shandorj@ci.arlington.tx.us>
Very interested. Please post it!!
>>> davids601xl@yahoo.com 05/06/04 01:12PM >>>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
After much head scratching I found a simple, easy, no
(or very low) cost way to bend that 12 foot nose skin
for the XL wings. There is nothing like a simple
solution. Anyone interested? Just wanted to know
before I draw it up and add a lengthy explanation of
the process.
David
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601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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| Subject: | pneumatic riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
You can also pull the skin with the pneumatic. Simply squeeze thr trigger
very slightly and the rivet will squeeze up ever so slowly...When it gets
halfway simply apply pull to the gun..
Works a treat
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zwyers, Jason
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: pneumatic riveter
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zwyers, Jason"
--> <JZwyers@Talisentech.com>
Concerning pneumatic riveting over hand pullers...
When working on areas of light material such as the wing skins where they
attach to the ribs. After the pressure of drilling, de-burring and
pneumatic riveting the area surrounding the rivet was slightly dimpled.
It typically takes two cycles of the hand riveter to set and break the stem.
If you hand rivet these areas after the first pull before you break the stem
you can give a slight tug to pull the dimple out. Then the final squeeze
setting the rivet.
Of course the A5's attaching the skin to the spar are not affected so I will
use the pneumatic.
Have others seen this?
Jason in MO
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for N701US |
required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
try landings.com and goto the n-number database
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Webber" <lawrencewebber@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Looking for N701US
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lawrence Webber"
<lawrencewebber@hotmail.com>
>
>
> If you contact zenithair.com they should be able to tell you who that
serial number belongs to good luck
>
>
> Larry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: pneumatic riveter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Roberts <n601gr@yahoo.com>
Brett,
Hows about a part number. You've peaked my interest!
Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley
I think my eighty nine dollar compressor and thirty
eight dollar riveter from Harbor Freight are the best
tool investment I ever made. With so many rivets I
almost gave myself carpal tunnel syndrome with the
pneumatic riveter. Therefore, I cannot imagine this
project without them!!
Brett Hanley DC
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| Subject: | Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
I take exeception to the post stating that plans
builders are cheap and deserve no consideration. I
think that as a group plansbuilders are more self
reliant than the kit folks and hence study a
particular problem harder for understanding it versus
the guy who spent 20 g' and "expects" to get bailed
out cause he is having trouble reading the tape
measure. That is the guy who wastes time, but hey he
paid for it up front, right?
I spoke to Nick H twice, first at OSH 2001, I bought
my 701 plans July 2002, And spoke with Nick H again
at OSH2003 about bending the main gear, very helpful.
I "took, stole, deprived him" of 10 minutes, but, I
bought a hat. I just WISH I could get paid multiple
times for doing the work once, (read, sell plans). But
as I am a tradesman I gotta go out and do it every
day.
Am I grateful for the plans from zenith? You bet bub.
There is nothing quite like the feeling of knowing
that every cut, every bend, every hole, every rivet,
every weld, every step of this project was me
implementing an idea put to paper by Mr Heintz. I am
not assembling a big model, I am fabricating an
aircraft. There is a Huge difference and it is not
just about the time or commitment, call it attitude.
I am also self employed, and customer service is NOT
selective customer service if you hope to nurture good
will. There will always be the customer who believes
they are "entitled" and get themselves in way over
their head and "expect" to be bailed (I call them
"millionaires"). And there will always be buisnessmen
who believe that there should always be something in
it for them, regardless (I call them "millionaires"
also).
Too bad, but that's life.
Roy S. Successful CH701SP plans builder (and I hardly
bother anyone,, much)
P.S. do not archive, the post that this post rebuts
was not worth 2 cents nor archiving.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
was looking around and found a pdf file " cad dwg's " of what looks like a smaller
701 single place called the zipper? any one ever seen it. got it loaded on
my system think 9 pages. not sure if i still have the link or not, i'll put up
one pic of it on the photoshare.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
sorry don't know how, cannot get any thing to work, cannot copy or paste from my
pdf file?? anyone klnow how???
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| Subject: | CzechHD flps kit & spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Phill
I'm left wondering why you want flaps on a HD. Have you flown one? Most of
them get off the ground in a few hundred feet and descend like a rock with
power pulled back. IMHO I think there would be little to gain by using
them. I flew a C-150 once with instructor aboard. We were high on final, so
I put in all 40 degree of flaps. I had to add full power to keep from
falling out of the sky. I feel you might have a similar experience with
flaps on a HD.
This is just my opinion so get a few more before you decide.
Randy Stout - San Antonio
n282rs@earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> Hello All:
>
> I was wondering if anyone had a drawing (not detailed plans) of the HD
flap kit, mechanical version. They come from the Czech factory via Florida
for US entry. Has anyone actually ordered the plans only for this mod?
Also, I didnt want to bother the guys at the factory for an exact quote,
but has anyone bought a set of un-drilled HD spars recently. If so, what
was the ballpark cost? I am thinking of Scratch building a set of HD outer
wings for an HDS. Thanks phill
>
> ncwingless@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> think that as a group plansbuilders are more self
> reliant than the kit folks and hence study a
> particular problem harder for understanding it versus
> the guy who spent 20 g' and "expects" to get bailed
> out cause he is having trouble reading the tape
> measure. That is the guy who wastes time, but hey he
> paid for it up front, right?
Well, I guess one good bashing deserves another. That elitist attitude of
yours really ruins the point that I think you were trying to make. As one
of those kit builders you referred to, I can assure you that reading a
tape measure poses no particular challenge to those of us this far down
on the food chain. Plans built or kit built, we often encounter the same
problems and I can assure you that the kit isn't insert tab "a" into slot
"b". While we kit-guys don't have to make forming blocks and the like,
it's often a decision based on time available, not a deficiency in
skills.
Mike Fortunato
601XL, from component KITs
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| Subject: | Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
Roy,
You mentioned that you spoke to Nick H. about bending the main gear.
Have you done it yet? What's the best way of doing it? I have this solid
bar of aluminum but I'm not sure what would be the best approach.
Appreciate any comments. Regards.
Jarek
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of roy vickski
Subject: Zenith-List: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders
--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
I take exeception to the post stating that plans
builders are cheap and deserve no consideration. I
think that as a group plansbuilders are more self
reliant than the kit folks and hence study a
particular problem harder for understanding it versus
the guy who spent 20 g' and "expects" to get bailed
out cause he is having trouble reading the tape
measure. That is the guy who wastes time, but hey he
paid for it up front, right?
I spoke to Nick H twice, first at OSH 2001, I bought
my 701 plans July 2002, And spoke with Nick H again
at OSH2003 about bending the main gear, very helpful.
I "took, stole, deprived him" of 10 minutes, but, I
bought a hat. I just WISH I could get paid multiple
times for doing the work once, (read, sell plans). But
as I am a tradesman I gotta go out and do it every
day.
Am I grateful for the plans from zenith? You bet bub.
There is nothing quite like the feeling of knowing
that every cut, every bend, every hole, every rivet,
every weld, every step of this project was me
implementing an idea put to paper by Mr Heintz. I am
not assembling a big model, I am fabricating an
aircraft. There is a Huge difference and it is not
just about the time or commitment, call it attitude.
I am also self employed, and customer service is NOT
selective customer service if you hope to nurture good
will. There will always be the customer who believes
they are "entitled" and get themselves in way over
their head and "expect" to be bailed (I call them
"millionaires"). And there will always be buisnessmen
who believe that there should always be something in
it for them, regardless (I call them "millionaires"
also).
Too bad, but that's life.
Roy S. Successful CH701SP plans builder (and I hardly
bother anyone,, much)
P.S. do not archive, the post that this post rebuts
was not worth 2 cents nor archiving.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: copy from pdf files (was small 701) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Acrobat has an optionto copy graphics. Click and hold the "T" button, or take a
look in the "Edit"
drop down menu.
( do not archive )
--- ronnie wehba <rwehba@wtxs.net> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by:
"ronnie wehba"
<rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> sorry don't know how, cannot get any thing to work, cannot copy or paste from
my pdf file??
> anyone klnow how???
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
I think that Flypass is not committed to ZAC product. I based my
statement on the fact, that when I was inquiring with them about
possible purchase of CH701 kit, I was told that I would be better off
buying Italian made Savannath (copy of CH701) from them.
Jarek
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Therrien
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flypass
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I did not speak with anyone at Flypass recently
altough I sent an email a month or so ago and never
received an answer. I cannot comment on the new
management.
In the past, I got excellent service from Art Mitchell
even though I did not even buy the plans from him. I
also get excellent service from ZAC.
One thing I found disapointing with Flypass when I
purchased some fairings was that parts are shipped
from the US anyway (they don't have inventory). So,
the distributor only adds complexity in the
transaction... does not save cost and takes more time
(they have to relay the order).
Michel
do not archive
--- Frank Jones <fjones@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >My question is directed towards the Canadians on
> here and their
> >I've had some initial contact with a couple people
> at Flypass;
> >and...well....to be brutally honest - I'm not
> impressed by their level
> of >customer support so far.
> >
> >Randy Culp
> >601XL
> >912S (most likely)
> >199% to go!
>
=====
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: XL Center Spar Angle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: DEGlass1@aol.com
Thanks, Vic -
I feel better that someone else determined that to be a good fix, and the
Heintz's approved it. I too didn't want to overstress the spar flanges and cabin
floor stiffeners. With my floor at about 2 deg elevation, it takes .080 to
bring it to a natural 81 deg.
Regards,
David
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Murray Johnson <murray.j@sympatico.ca>
I bought my 701 plans from Flypass when Art Mitchell owned the company. I also
attended their rudder workshop; Art and Willie (his wife) are the most accommodating,
hard-working people you will ever meet.
Art is the sort of fellow who is "on a mission". Those who know him will understand
what I'm saying. Art wanted to do whatever he could to help boost grassroots
aviation. He spent countless hours working with little guys like me (and
girls, too), teaching us how to build aircraft well. Whenever I had a question
Art always called me back. I appreciated what Art was doing, and I helped
him out by authoring the Flypass website. Art really cared about his company
and its reputation. Most of his customers felt more like friends - ask any of
them.
The same can be said for Chris Heintz. He is well respected in the homebuilding
community and was recognized by RAA Canada for his efforts in supporting grassroots
aviation. I have contacted Chris more than once with a question and I
usually had my answer within the hour. Somehow I don't think I could get the
fax number of the designer of the Europa or any flavour of RV... but Chris is
accessible.
However, things change. Chris is going into semi-retirement and Art has turned
his attention to helping people in developing countries. Flypass has been purchased
by two investors who are apparently watching the Sport Pilot market in
the US very closely. Their focus is different, more set on selling airframes
assembled in the Czech Republic and/or their own facility in Kitchener. Plans
only builders can expect to take a back seat...
Fortunately for us, Zenith Aircraft seems to be continuing the solid support for
their designs that they have always demonstrated. I would not hesitate to purchase
from them.
By the way, I met the new owners of Flypass at the Oshawa Aviation Show last year,
and spent quite a while at their booth. Nice fellows, both of them.
Betcha they don't remember me. I know that Art Mitchell does...
Murray
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| Subject: | Re: CzechHD flps kit & spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
I agree Randy. With my HD I have never had any desire for flaps. Once you
pull the power out, the approach angle is just as steep as a Cessna 150 with
at least 30 degrees of flaps down. If you are still high, a side slip works
very nicely.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CzechHD flps kit & spar
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
>
> Phill
>
> I'm left wondering why you want flaps on a HD. Have you flown one? Most of
> them get off the ground in a few hundred feet and descend like a rock with
> power pulled back. IMHO I think there would be little to gain by using
> them. I flew a C-150 once with instructor aboard. We were high on final,
so
> I put in all 40 degree of flaps. I had to add full power to keep from
> falling out of the sky. I feel you might have a similar experience with
> flaps on a HD.
>
> This is just my opinion so get a few more before you decide.
>
> Randy Stout - San Antonio
> n282rs@earthlink.net
> www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>
>
> > Hello All:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone had a drawing (not detailed plans) of the
HD
> flap kit, mechanical version. They come from the Czech factory via Florida
> for US entry. Has anyone actually ordered the plans only for this mod?
> Also, I didnt want to bother the guys at the factory for an exact quote,
> but has anyone bought a set of un-drilled HD spars recently. If so, what
> was the ballpark cost? I am thinking of Scratch building a set of HD
outer
> wings for an HDS. Thanks phill
> >
> > ncwingless@yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax Oil Change |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
For those of you with a Rotax 912 series, you probably noticed a new
service instruction stating the Motul 5100 is no longer recommended, and
Shell Advance VSX 4 is one of the few recommended oils.
My question is does anyone in Canada know where you can buy this Shell
oil?
Frank Jones
C-GYXQ - Polishing the airframe and getting very tired
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
Once you
> pull the power out, the approach angle is just as steep as a Cessna 150
with
> at least 30 degrees of flaps down.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'd say the biggest advantage for HD flaps would be to give a little better
over the nose visibility while on final.
Kelly Meiste
601 HD
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
I wondered if you folks were aware that this sort of message is being sent.
It will kill your business in Canada.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flypass
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter"
<jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
>
> I think that Flypass is not committed to ZAC product. I based my
> statement on the fact, that when I was inquiring with them about
> possible purchase of CH701 kit, I was told that I would be better off
> buying Italian made Savannath (copy of CH701) from them.
> Jarek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
> Therrien
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flypass
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> I did not speak with anyone at Flypass recently
> altough I sent an email a month or so ago and never
> received an answer. I cannot comment on the new
> management.
>
> In the past, I got excellent service from Art Mitchell
> even though I did not even buy the plans from him. I
> also get excellent service from ZAC.
>
> One thing I found disapointing with Flypass when I
> purchased some fairings was that parts are shipped
> from the US anyway (they don't have inventory). So,
> the distributor only adds complexity in the
> transaction... does not save cost and takes more time
> (they have to relay the order).
>
> Michel
> do not archive
>
> --- Frank Jones <fjones@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >My question is directed towards the Canadians on
> > here and their
> > >I've had some initial contact with a couple people
> > at Flypass;
> > >and...well....to be brutally honest - I'm not
> > impressed by their level
> > of >customer support so far.
> > >
> > >Randy Culp
> > >601XL
> > >912S (most likely)
> > >199% to go!
> >
>
> =====
> ----------------------------
> Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
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| Subject: | nose skin bending. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
David send your solution to the list for the archives please.
Mark Townsend
601XL EJ 2.2L
Alma, Ontario
Subject: Zenith-List: nose skin bending.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
After much head scratching I found a simple, easy, no
(or very low) cost way to bend that 12 foot nose skin
for the XL wings. There is nothing like a simple
solution. Anyone interested? Just wanted to know
before I draw it up and add a lengthy explanation of
the process.
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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| Subject: | Re: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
WITH DUE RESPECT TO RICH GUYS, DO NOT FRGT PPL LIKE US WHO ARE FORCED BY LAWS OF
THEIR LAND TO BUILD FROM PLANS AND NOT KITS,,,{MAY BE I TOO WILL SHIFT FROM
KIT TO PLANS ONLY} ,,,SURE WE ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS AND BUG THE PPL WHOM WE PAID
FOR PAPERS THEY CALLED PLANS WE CALL CONFUSION,,,,,PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BE
GENEROUS IN UR OPINIONS ,, AFTER ALL WE BUG WHOM WE PAID ,,NOT YOU .
wizard-24@juno.com wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> think that as a group plansbuilders are more self
> reliant than the kit folks and hence study a
> particular problem harder for understanding it versus
> the guy who spent 20 g' and "expects" to get bailed
> out cause he is having trouble reading the tape
> measure. That is the guy who wastes time, but hey he
> paid for it up front, right?
Well, I guess one good bashing deserves another. That elitist attitude of
yours really ruins the point that I think you were trying to make. As one
of those kit builders you referred to, I can assure you that reading a
tape measure poses no particular challenge to those of us this far down
on the food chain. Plans built or kit built, we often encounter the same
problems and I can assure you that the kit isn't insert tab "a" into slot
"b". While we kit-guys don't have to make forming blocks and the like,
it's often a decision based on time available, not a deficiency in
skills.
Mike Fortunato
601XL, from component KITs
do not archive
best regards,
sudhir wadhwa
Room no. 204 , no.22 ,lane 303,
Caoyang road, Shanghai 200063
China
0086-13757501606
13157552197
575- 8067856{fax}
http://itrademarket.com/etnindustries
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
dear friends,,
as you know i'm building in china where duty on kit is trouble,, and idea of building
from "plan only" seems scary to me ,
so is it possible that "easy" parts i build by myself and the tough ones which
i often see u guys talk abt.,,,i build from kit,, so in a way saving some duty
costs, not compromising on quality as well.
If u can give me list of parts i can easily {like very easily} build myself , i
can have a try to do it,,?
best regards,
sudhir wadhwa
Room no. 204 , no.22 ,lane 303,
Caoyang road, Shanghai 200063
China
0086-13757501606
13157552197
575- 8067856{fax}
http://itrademarket.com/etnindustries
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| Subject: | Re: pressurized engine mounts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Sometimes the fittings, gauge springs a leak by itself, causes major havoc in flight,
now you want to do an outlanding all for nothing.
Apart from this it's an exellent idea!
Dirk.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Barth
To: Zenith List
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 7:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: pressurized engine mounts
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
hi list.
I was at a welding seminar a few weeks back and the
welder told me that when doing tube and fabric
aircraft, he would leave a hole in the tubing inside
the joints so that the entire fuselage becomes
interconnected internally. Only adds boiled linseed
oil in one spot and it makes its way around. He also
installed a fitting into tubing in the cockpit so he
could pressurize the fuselage with 5 psi or so and
left a guage there constantly showing the pressure.
If there was ever a crack in the fuse tubine he would
note the pressure drop on the guage.
I was wondering if anyone saw a problem of doing this
with my engine mount. If it was made to hold pressure
and I had a pressure guage easily visible inside the
cowel, I could check it on every preflight. I know
there have been a few cracks that were found from time
to time on the engine mounts of list members and I
felt this might be an easy way to spot problems
without taking the cowling off every preflight.
Thoughts anyone? thanks for your help.
David
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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