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1. 04:44 AM - Fire Retardent (Andrew SanClemente)
2. 05:17 AM - Re: copy from pdf files (was small 701) (ronnie wehba)
3. 06:12 AM - Spar Jig Problem (Jonathan Starke)
4. 06:34 AM - Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender (Andrew SanClemente)
5. 06:40 AM - elitist attitude (roy vickski)
6. 07:29 AM - Re: copy from pdf files (was small 701) (88tierra)
7. 09:19 AM - Re: elitist attitude (Dave Kubassek)
8. 10:30 AM - figgered it out (ronnie wehba)
9. 10:47 AM - Re: Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender pts rule name (Bryan Martin)
10. 11:18 AM - Re: Spar Jig Problem pts rule name (Bryan Martin)
11. 12:48 PM - 912 hard start when hot (Ronnie Koonce)
12. 02:52 PM - Re: Fire Retardent pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.1 HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE BODY: HTML font color is blue 0.1 HTML_FONTCOLOR_RE (Dan knezacek)
13. 02:58 PM - Re: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders (Dan knezacek)
14. 04:27 PM - Re: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders (etn industries limited)
15. 05:14 PM - Re: mixed building (Randy L. Thwing)
16. 05:22 PM - Re: mixed building (etn industries limited)
17. 05:45 PM - Re: mixed building (ronnie wehba)
18. 06:05 PM - Re: 912 hard start when hot (Jackie B. Johnson)
19. 06:46 PM - Re: 912 hard start when hot (Bryan Martin)
20. 07:38 PM - Re: Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- (Larry Martin)
21. 07:38 PM - Re: 912 hard start when hot (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
22. 08:02 PM - Re: mixed building (Scott Laughlin)
23. 08:25 PM - stick it in a cute blonde tonight! 15 (jan)
24. 10:03 PM - stick it in a cute blonde tonight! 15 (jan)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
ACS Sells a "INSPECTA-SHIELD FIRE RETARDENT PENETRANT"
"Inspecta-Shield is a durable, non-toxic, fire retardant chemical
penetrant which when cured and dried, is odorless and colorless.
Inspecta-Shield will retard flame in materials such as fabrics, poly
foam, paper, and wood"
Part Number 09-05760 $15.300
- Andrew
On Wed, 5 May 2004 19:56:28 -0400, Dan knezacek wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek"
><dknezace@bconnex.net>
>
>When I was in Canadian Tire the other day I saw a tent waterproofing
>that is
>also a fire retardant. I think it was around $12.99 per spray can.
>
>Dan
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones"
>><fjones@sympatico.ca>
>>
>>Michel,
>>
>>You can treat fabric with a spray made from water, boric acid, and
>>Borax. I It acts as a fire retardant. Not sure how good it is
>>though. I
>>found a recipe somewhere on the web using Google.
>>
>>Frank Jones
>>C-GYXQ
>>
>
>
>_-
ACS Sells a INSPECTA-SHIELD FIRE RETARDENT PENETRANT
Inspecta-Shield is a durable, non-toxic, fire retardant chemical penetrant which
when cured and dried, is odorless and colorless. Inspecta-Shield will retard
flame in materials such as fabrics, poly foam, paper, and wood
Part Number 09-05760 $15.300
- Andrew
On Wed, 5 May 2004 19:56:28 -0400, Dan knezacek wrote:
--=A0Zenith-List message posted by: Dan knezacek
dknezace@bconnex.net
When I was in Canadian Tire the other day I saw a tent waterproofing
that is
also a fire retardant.I think it was around $12.99 per spray can.
Dan
--=A0Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Jones
fjones@sympatico.ca
Michel,
You can treat fabric with a spray made from water, boric acid, and
Borax. I It acts as a fire retardant. Not sure how good it is
though. I
found a recipe somewhere on the web using Google.
Frank Jones
C-GYXQ
_-
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| Subject: | Re: copy from pdf files (was small 701) |
required 5, BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DSBL)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
well, I don't have the full version of acrobat!, cannot copy/paste.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: copy from pdf files (was small 701)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Acrobat has an optionto copy graphics. Click and hold the "T" button, or
take a look in the "Edit"
> drop down menu.
>
> ( do not archive )
>
>
> --- ronnie wehba <rwehba@wtxs.net> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message
posted by: "ronnie wehba"
> <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >
> > sorry don't know how, cannot get any thing to work, cannot copy or paste
from my pdf file??
> > anyone klnow how???
>
>
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| Subject: | Spar Jig Problem |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
Hi All,
I have a problem, with construction of the spar jig... When measuring the holes
for drilling the center ones, at 115 and 132 mm respectively (From the
Extrusion), I find that the jig holes, when inserted into the center spar, do NOT
line up. The top hole is fine, but the bottom hole is out by at least 2mm.
I have only drilled the one side (Right), and only marked and checked the left,
and it too does not line up?
Thnx for your help.
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| Subject: | Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
I have a Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender (Part# PS-211-9000) for my
Stratus EA-81. This sender needs to be threaded into "someplace". My
question is can this sender be used with this engine or do I need to
by an "inline" pressure sender?
Thanks
Andrew
I have a Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender (Part# PS-211-9000) for my Stratus EA-81.
This sender needs to be threaded into someplace. My question is can this sender
be used with this engine or do I need to by an inline pressure sender?
Thanks
Andrew
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| Subject: | elitist attitude |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
Dear Gentleman and Ladies,
In my rebuttal to Mr.Dave C. there was a measured
ammount of facetiousness, the reason for which is that
I felt one elitist attitude needed to be countered by
another. The intent was not to minimize or impugn the
dedication, abilities, or motives of fellow builders.
That said, to my Kin in the dream, let there be peace,
and quiet, except for the sound of rivets going POP by
whatever means one finds necessary to achieve the
desired result.
Roy S. 701 plans
__________________________________
http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
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| Subject: | copy from pdf files (was small 701) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "88tierra" <lnk@cis.net>
Makes a difference what version of the reader you have. Try this link to
the Adobe Support Knowledgebase article entitled "How to Extract Text and
Graphics from PDF Files Using Acrobat Reader 5.0.5" (Actually applies to any
v5.xxx) Version 6 has menu buttons to copy text or graphics. If your PC can
handle it I would recommend upgrading (free). It improves things in other
areas too.
http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/2d766.htm
Larry Kilburg in Iowa - 601XL - acquiring tools
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronnie wehba
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: copy from pdf files (was small 701)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
well, I don't have the full version of acrobat!, cannot copy/paste.
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| Subject: | Re: elitist attitude |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
And all of God's people said............................
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
davekubassek
C-FDSF XL . 0235 (25 hrs and waiting for the strip to dry up)
Do Not Archive
> Dear Gentleman and Ladies,
> In my rebuttal to Mr.Dave C. there was a measured
> ammount of facetiousness, the reason for which is that
> I felt one elitist attitude needed to be countered by
> another. The intent was not to minimize or impugn the
> dedication, abilities, or motives of fellow builders.
>
> That said, to my Kin in the dream, let there be peace,
> and quiet, except for the sound of rivets going POP by
> whatever means one finds necessary to achieve the
> desired result.
>
> Roy S. 701 plans
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
got it to work finally, but now it says my email client is incorrectly installed??
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| Subject: | Re: Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender pts rule name |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 5/7/04 9:31 AM, Andrew SanClemente at ansancle@townisp.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
>
> I have a Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender (Part# PS-211-9000) for my
> Stratus EA-81. This sender needs to be threaded into "someplace". My
> question is can this sender be used with this engine or do I need to
> by an "inline" pressure sender?
>
> Thanks
> Andrew
The threads on the sender are probably 1/8" tapered pipe threads. You should
be able to connect the sender to a tee fitting in the fuel line leading to
the crabs. I have a sender like this mounted on my firewall.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Nearly done.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Spar Jig Problem pts rule name |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 5/7/04 9:12 AM, Jonathan Starke at jonathan@entry.co.za wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a problem, with construction of the spar jig... When measuring the
> holes
> for drilling the center ones, at 115 and 132 mm respectively (From the
> Extrusion), I find that the jig holes, when inserted into the center spar, do
> NOT
> line up. The top hole is fine, but the bottom hole is out by at least 2mm.
>
> I have only drilled the one side (Right), and only marked and checked the
> left,
> and it too does not line up?
>
> Thnx for your help.
As I recall, I had a similar problem. The holes in the spar may not be
exactly where they are shown in the plans. At the factory, the three spar
sections are assembled in a jig and the holes are drilled through the
assembled parts, guaranteeing that they will match up.
I would suggest drilling just the top hole, assembling the jig in the spar
and then marking the bottom hole with either a transfer punch or a drill bit
that just fits the hole. Then you can drill the hole and it will match up. I
think I just filed the hole in the jig until I could get a bolt in it. These
holes are not too critical, the purpose of the jig is to hold the fore/aft
angle of the spar until the spar section can be riveted to the side skins
and to set the location of the rear frame. So, as long as the parts on the
jig are assembled correctly, you shouldn't have a problem adjusting the hole
in the jig a little bit. It won't affect the spar angle or rear frame
location.
I only had this problem only on one side, maybe the jig being used at the
factory has one hole slightly off location.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Nearly done.
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| Subject: | 912 hard start when hot |
pts rule name description
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@granderiver.net>
thanks Richard, Dave, Frank and Rick. Doesn't seem to be ignition related. Changed
plug gaps to .020. No help. Let me give a better description of my problem.
Engine starts fine when cool. Runs great, full power climbing as long as you
can stand it. In flight, current weather, 4000 r.p.m.. temps stabilize around
180 water and oil. If you land and shut down, will not start at all using any
combination of inputs. choke/no choke (enricher). Throttle /no throttle. cussing/praying.
boost pump/no boost. After 30 minute cool down starts fine.
If you land and let idle for 10 or so minutes, (I know this is not good for
engine, but has been part of trying to find problem) when you take off, r.p.m.
will drop off around 3500 or 4000 and engine won't make full power. sometimes
will die completely. To simulate this on ground I let idle until temps got to
around 200 oil and 225 water. Advance throttle and engine stumbles around 3500.
Doing mag check during stumble causes no change, so I'm thinking this rules
out ignition.? Boost pump causes slight but not much smoother running. Shut
off engine. Do immediate infrared temperature check of carb float bowls, get reading
of 170 F. Pull bowls of right after removing top cowl, bowls are both at
proper level. Running 92 octane mogas. Ambient temp lately in the high 70's.
I'm out of ideas and will try anything. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Fire Retardent pts rule name description |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
Andrew,
Any idea of who to call to get it?
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew SanClemente" <ansancle@townisp.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Fire Retardent pts rule name
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente
<ansancle@townisp.com>
>
> ACS Sells a "INSPECTA-SHIELD FIRE RETARDENT PENETRANT"
>
> "Inspecta-Shield is a durable, non-toxic, fire retardant chemical
> penetrant which when cured and dried, is odorless and colorless.
> Inspecta-Shield will retard flame in materials such as fabrics, poly
> foam, paper, and wood"
>
> Part Number 09-05760 $15.300
> - Andrew
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
When you do the math. $500 plans should be good for 10 hours @ $50/hour
consulting time. OK deduct $100 or so for printing and designer's royalties
and you still should get 8 hours. :-)
I bought my plans 14 years ago and Chris still had the courtesy to answer a
design question the other day, even though I've already had it flying! Now
that's service!
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "etn industries limited" <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited
<sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
>
> WITH DUE RESPECT TO RICH GUYS, DO NOT FRGT PPL LIKE US WHO ARE FORCED BY
LAWS OF THEIR LAND TO BUILD FROM PLANS AND NOT KITS,,,{MAY BE I TOO WILL
SHIFT FROM KIT TO PLANS ONLY} ,,,SURE WE ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS AND BUG THE
PPL WHOM WE PAID FOR PAPERS THEY CALLED PLANS WE CALL CONFUSION,,,,,PLEASE
PLEASE PLEASE BE GENEROUS IN UR OPINIONS ,, AFTER ALL WE BUG WHOM WE PAID
,,NOT YOU .
>
> wizard-24@juno.com wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by:
wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> > think that as a group plansbuilders are more self
> > reliant than the kit folks and hence study a
> > particular problem harder for understanding it versus
> > the guy who spent 20 g' and "expects" to get bailed
> > out cause he is having trouble reading the tape
> > measure. That is the guy who wastes time, but hey he
> > paid for it up front, right?
>
> Well, I guess one good bashing deserves another. That elitist attitude of
> yours really ruins the point that I think you were trying to make. As one
> of those kit builders you referred to, I can assure you that reading a
> tape measure poses no particular challenge to those of us this far down
> on the food chain. Plans built or kit built, we often encounter the same
> problems and I can assure you that the kit isn't insert tab "a" into slot
> "b". While we kit-guys don't have to make forming blocks and the like,
> it's often a decision based on time available, not a deficiency in
> skills.
>
> Mike Fortunato
> 601XL, from component KITs
>
> do not archive
>
>
> best regards,
> sudhir wadhwa
> Room no. 204 , no.22 ,lane 303,
> Caoyang road, Shanghai 200063
> China
> 0086-13757501606
> 13157552197
> 575- 8067856{fax}
> http://itrademarket.com/etnindustries
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
Dan,
my gf always says flying is abt crazy ppl who sell tin and crazy ppl who make it
go flying,,so no math would work here :)
Dan knezacek <dknezace@bconnex.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek"
When you do the math. $500 plans should be good for 10 hours @ $50/hour
consulting time. OK deduct $100 or so for printing and designer's royalties
and you still should get 8 hours. :-)
I bought my plans 14 years ago and Chris still had the courtesy to answer a
design question the other day, even though I've already had it flying! Now
that's service!
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "etn industries limited"
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re;flypass, cheap sh!t plansbuilders
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited
>
> WITH DUE RESPECT TO RICH GUYS, DO NOT FRGT PPL LIKE US WHO ARE FORCED BY
LAWS OF THEIR LAND TO BUILD FROM PLANS AND NOT KITS,,,{MAY BE I TOO WILL
SHIFT FROM KIT TO PLANS ONLY} ,,,SURE WE ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS AND BUG THE
PPL WHOM WE PAID FOR PAPERS THEY CALLED PLANS WE CALL CONFUSION,,,,,PLEASE
PLEASE PLEASE BE GENEROUS IN UR OPINIONS ,, AFTER ALL WE BUG WHOM WE PAID
,,NOT YOU .
>
> wizard-24@juno.com wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by:
wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> > think that as a group plansbuilders are more self
> > reliant than the kit folks and hence study a
> > particular problem harder for understanding it versus
> > the guy who spent 20 g' and "expects" to get bailed
> > out cause he is having trouble reading the tape
> > measure. That is the guy who wastes time, but hey he
> > paid for it up front, right?
>
> Well, I guess one good bashing deserves another. That elitist attitude of
> yours really ruins the point that I think you were trying to make. As one
> of those kit builders you referred to, I can assure you that reading a
> tape measure poses no particular challenge to those of us this far down
> on the food chain. Plans built or kit built, we often encounter the same
> problems and I can assure you that the kit isn't insert tab "a" into slot
> "b". While we kit-guys don't have to make forming blocks and the like,
> it's often a decision based on time available, not a deficiency in
> skills.
>
> Mike Fortunato
> 601XL, from component KITs
>
> do not archive
>
>
> best regards,
> sudhir wadhwa
> Room no. 204 , no.22 ,lane 303,
> Caoyang road, Shanghai 200063
> China
> 0086-13757501606
> 13157552197
> 575- 8067856{fax}
> http://itrademarket.com/etnindustries
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
best regards,
sudhir wadhwa
Room no. 204 , no.22 ,lane 303,
Caoyang road, Shanghai 200063
China
0086-13757501606
13157552197
575- 8067856{fax}
http://itrademarket.com/etnindustries
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| Subject: | Re: mixed building |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Hello Sud:
One of the beauties of building a Zenith Aircraft is:
1. Zenair will sell you Plans only.
2. Zenair will sell you a complete kit right down to the last rivet.
3. Zenair will sell you any individual part in between, as needed.
Well. maybe that's three beauties, you can build what you can and buy
the rest.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, 701 plans
: Zenith-List: mixed building
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited
<sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
> so is it possible that "easy" parts i build by myself and the tough ones
which i often see u guys talk abt.,,,i build from kit,,
> best regards,
> sudhir wadhwa
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| Subject: | Re: mixed building |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
yeah randy , i was kinda awre o it,, but that was my question....which parts can
we build easily with plans only?
"Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted
by: "Randy L. Thwing"
Hello Sud:
One of the beauties of building a Zenith Aircraft is:
1. Zenair will sell you Plans only.
2. Zenair will sell you a complete kit right down to the last rivet.
3. Zenair will sell you any individual part in between, as needed.
Well. maybe that's three beauties, you can build what you can and buy
the rest.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, 701 plans
: Zenith-List: mixed building
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited
> so is it possible that "easy" parts i build by myself and the tough ones
which i often see u guys talk abt.,,,i build from kit,,
> best regards,
> sudhir wadhwa
best regards,
sudhir wadhwa
Room no. 204 , no.22 ,lane 303,
Caoyang road, Shanghai 200063
China
0086-13757501606
13157552197
575- 8067856{fax}
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| Subject: | Re: mixed building |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
yup, thats why I am gonna do a 701 next, like now! all I gotta do is fly up
there from west tx and pick up a set of plans. will go in a clipped wing
pacer or a rv-4. my minimax is just too slow
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: mixed building
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
<n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
> Hello Sud:
>
> One of the beauties of building a Zenith Aircraft is:
>
> 1. Zenair will sell you Plans only.
> 2. Zenair will sell you a complete kit right down to the last rivet.
> 3. Zenair will sell you any individual part in between, as needed.
>
> Well. maybe that's three beauties, you can build what you can and buy
> the rest.
>
> Regards,
> Randy L. Thwing, 701 plans
>
>
> : Zenith-List: mixed building
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited
> <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
> > so is it possible that "easy" parts i build by myself and the tough ones
> which i often see u guys talk abt.,,,i build from kit,,
> > best regards,
> > sudhir wadhwa
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 hard start when hot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jackie B. Johnson" <zjohnson@ucnsb.net>
Sure you don't have vapor lock in gas line ?? Mine does that with mogas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@granderiver.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 912 hard start when hot
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@granderiver.net>
>
> thanks Richard, Dave, Frank and Rick. Doesn't seem to be ignition related.
Changed plug gaps to .020. No help. Let me give a better description of my
problem. Engine starts fine when cool. Runs great, full power climbing as
long as you can stand it. In flight, current weather, 4000 r.p.m.. temps
stabilize around 180 water and oil. If you land and shut down, will not
start at all using any combination of inputs. choke/no choke (enricher).
Throttle /no throttle. cussing/praying. boost pump/no boost. After 30 minute
cool down starts fine.
> If you land and let idle for 10 or so minutes, (I know this is not
good for engine, but has been part of trying to find problem) when you take
off, r.p.m. will drop off around 3500 or 4000 and engine won't make full
power. sometimes will die completely. To simulate this on ground I let idle
until temps got to around 200 oil and 225 water. Advance throttle and engine
stumbles around 3500. Doing mag check during stumble causes no change, so
I'm thinking this rules out ignition.? Boost pump causes slight but not much
smoother running. Shut off engine. Do immediate infrared temperature check
of carb float bowls, get reading of 170 F. Pull bowls of right after
removing top cowl, bowls are both at proper level. Running 92 octane mogas.
Ambient temp lately in the high 70's.
> I'm out of ideas and will try anything. Thanks.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 hard start when hot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 5/7/04 3:44 PM, Ronnie Koonce at rlk@granderiver.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@granderiver.net>
>
> thanks Richard, Dave, Frank and Rick. Doesn't seem to be ignition related.
> Changed plug gaps to .020. No help. Let me give a better description of my
> problem. Engine starts fine when cool. Runs great, full power climbing as long
> as you can stand it. In flight, current weather, 4000 r.p.m.. temps stabilize
> around 180 water and oil. If you land and shut down, will not start at all
> using any combination of inputs. choke/no choke (enricher). Throttle /no
> throttle. cussing/praying. boost pump/no boost. After 30 minute cool down
> starts fine.
> If you land and let idle for 10 or so minutes, (I know this is not good for
> engine, but has been part of trying to find problem) when you take off, r.p.m.
> will drop off around 3500 or 4000 and engine won't make full power. sometimes
> will die completely. To simulate this on ground I let idle until temps got to
> around 200 oil and 225 water. Advance throttle and engine stumbles around
> 3500. Doing mag check during stumble causes no change, so I'm thinking this
> rules out ignition.? Boost pump causes slight but not much smoother running.
> Shut off engine. Do immediate infrared temperature check of carb float bowls,
> get reading of 170 F. Pull bowls of right after removing top cowl, bowls are
> both at proper level. Running 92 octane mogas. Ambient temp lately in the high
> 70's.
> I'm out of ideas and will try anything. Thanks.
>
The lightest components of gasoline have boiling points of around 130F, the
heaviest boil at around 450F at normal atmospheric pressure. Higher octane
fuels will tend to have lower boiling points. Auto gas sold in the Winter
has a lower boiling point than gas sold in the Summer. Avgas has a higher
boiling point than auto gas i.e. 100 octane avgas has a higher boiling point
than 87 grade auto gas but lower than 80 octane avgas. Lowering the pressure
will lower the boiling points and increasing pressure will increase boiling
points. It's best to keep the pressure in the fuel lines at or above
atmospheric pressure either by gravity feed or with a fuel pump.
A partially clogged fuel filter upstream of the pump can increase the risk
of vapor lock, it's best to have the filter on the pressure side of the
pump. When fluid is flowing through a line, any restriction in the line will
cause a pressure drop downstream of the restriction. To some degree this in
unavoidable but you should try to minimize the effect. Avoid kinks, sharp
bends, etc.
Vapor lock may not be the problem but it's something to check. Another thing
is, the air in the cowling will get very hot after sitting a while. Drawing
hot air into the carbs will give a richer mixture which can cause rough
running and hard starts. You would expect this problem to clear up as soon
as you start pushing cooler outside air through the cowl.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Nearly done.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender pts rule name |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Mine uses a T-fitting with the sender in the offset one, the other two are in line.
You have to have several fittings, use a T-fitting with three 1/4" NPT female
ends, two nipples for the fuel line and your fitting will screw into the
third. That's the way I did it, works fine. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew SanClemente
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender pts rule name description
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
I have a Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender (Part# PS-211-9000) for my
Stratus EA-81. This sender needs to be threaded into "someplace". My
question is can this sender be used with this engine or do I need to
by an "inline" pressure sender?
Thanks
Andrew
I have a Mitchell Fuel Pressure Sender (Part# PS-211-9000) for my Stratus EA-81.
This sender needs to be threaded into someplace. My question is can this
sender be used with this engine or do I need to by an inline pressure sender?
Thanks
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: 912 hard start when hot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 5/7/2004 2:49:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
rlk@granderiver.net writes:
> Pull bowls of right after removing top cowl, bowls are both at proper
> level. Running 92 octane mogas. Ambient temp lately in the high 70's.
>
>
>
Just some troubleshooting ideas.
Again, what model AC is it?
Can't remember if you said that this problem just started? Prior operation
was OK?
If so, what were the last things that were adjusted, changed or disassembled?
If it is a suddenly new condition,,, look at the last things done.
Where, or is there an inline fuel filter? Is it in a hot area?
Same for the gascolater.
Try a run with the cowling off to understand temperature relationship to
problem.
Does this batch of fuel have ethenathol sp?, in it?
If it is now related to temperature inside of the cowling, as in vapor in the
fuel system, perhaps a run with 100LL would help to see if that makes it run
better.
Some fuel lines need to be routed inside of a larger tube or hose,, that has
cooling air routed thru & around the fuel line,,, as in helping it stay cooler.
Water spray on fuel lines, filter, just to see if there is an immediate
change, during stumbling ground run.
Just some ideas, problem does sound fuel related, mixture related.
Look for a temp related vacuum leak. Intake system & carb mounting.
Also, try the stumbling ground run condition with fuel tank caps loosened, to
eliminate possibility of unvented tanks.
Again, just things to help you trouble shoot the problem.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: mixed building |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Dear Sudhir:
"Easy" is subjective. What I find difficult may be easy for somebody else.
What you need is determination, some common sense a bit of patience and
maybe a little help from your friends.
Have you purchased the plans yet? If you take a look at the plans, and
study them, you will find parts you want to build right away and parts that
make you scratch your head a little before attempting. You have to invest a
lot of your time just to figure out some of the nomenclature on the drawings
especially when you are building parts.
The first thing you need to find out is if you enjoy it. I enjoy every
minute of it. If you don't enjoy it, you probably won't finish. This is a
project that will take years to complete, so take your time, do a good job
and have fun.
Best of luck with your decision,
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
----Original Message Follows----
From: etn industries limited <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: mixed building
--> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited
<sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
yeah randy , i was kinda awre o it,, but that was my question....which parts
can we build easily with plans only?
"Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com> wrote:--> Zenith-List message
posted by: "Randy L. Thwing"
Hello Sud:
One of the beauties of building a Zenith Aircraft is:
1. Zenair will sell you Plans only.
2. Zenair will sell you a complete kit right down to the last rivet.
3. Zenair will sell you any individual part in between, as needed.
Well. maybe that's three beauties, you can build what you can and buy
the rest.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, 701 plans
: Zenith-List: mixed building
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: etn industries limited
> so is it possible that "easy" parts i build by myself and the tough ones
which i often see u guys talk abt.,,,i build from kit,,
> best regards,
> sudhir wadhwa
best regards,
sudhir wadhwa
Room no. 204 , no.22 ,lane 303,
Caoyang road, Shanghai 200063
China
0086-13757501606
13157552197
575- 8067856{fax}
http://itrademarket.com/etnindustries
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jan" <lydiaxa@pobox.sk>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jan" <lydiaxa@pobox.sk>
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