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1. 05:12 AM - Re: top mounted fuel senders on the 601XL (Mark Stauffer)
2. 06:04 AM - Leveling 701 Cage (RURUNY@aol.com)
3. 07:07 AM - re, 701 cage (roy vickski)
4. 07:22 AM - Re: CH-701 Gross Weight? (Mike Sinclair)
5. 09:26 AM - Pocket FMS (Carlos Sa)
6. 09:31 AM - Newsletter (Bryan Martin)
7. 10:46 AM - Re: re, 701 cage (Jimmy Parker)
8. 10:53 AM - [ Ray Montagne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
9. 11:03 AM - [ Dave Alberti ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
10. 03:47 PM - Re: re, 701 cage (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
11. 03:53 PM - Re: 912 hard start when hot (Lee Thomas)
12. 04:27 PM - test (Lee Thomas)
13. 05:23 PM - Re: Flaperon control on 701 (Jeff Reuschle)
14. 06:00 PM - Make your own Fuel sender covers (Jim Frisby)
15. 06:48 PM - Re: Newsletter (The Meiste's)
16. 07:03 PM - Re: Leveling 701 Cage (Larry Martin)
17. 07:46 PM - Re: Newsletter (Pwalsh4539@aol.com)
18. 07:57 PM - 601 HD for sale(again) (Pwalsh4539@aol.com)
19. 11:11 PM - Re: Flaperon control on 701 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
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| Subject: | top mounted fuel senders on the 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
What about fabricating one with fiberglass? It would be non-structural
right?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
wizard-24@juno.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: top mounted fuel senders on the 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
That might work if they're not too big --- where does one get those?
On Fri, 21 May 2004 18:54:55 -0400 "Jeff Reuschle"
<jreuschle@mindspring.com> writes:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle"
> <jreuschle@mindspring.com>
>
> Mike,
>
> I suppose the slightly domed standard inspection cover won't work?
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| Subject: | Leveling 701 Cage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Jim,
If you did not drill and cleco the cabin frame to the cabin side I would say
you could move it up and down to make adjustments. Put a level on the rear
fuse at the gussets and make sure it is level, use the same level in the same
orientation on the cabin frame at the fwd wing attachments.Using the level
determine your up or down adjustments. If you did not drill and cleco these you
might be able to raise one side or trim off the other side slightly and lower it.
Make sure the cabin frame front to back (rear wing attach to front attach is
level with the level reference stated in the drawings. I could not get this
level reference perfect as top of the fuselage is curved on top and the side. I
can not tell you if it is critical if the tube rests properly on the cabin
frame extrusion(L), that you can give a quick call to nick or sebastion. Mine do,
but I did have to trim the tubes to get the front -back and side - side level
good. I found my different levels gave slightly different readings, so I stuck
with one level that made all readings consistant. I worked on this for days
thinking out all possibilities of making this work before drilling the first
holes. good luck.
Brian
701
Long Island
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
If the down tubes are not the same length could be one
reason, but having the tube contact the L I dont
believe is critical. In flight the cabin "hangs" on
the rivets holding the cabin frame tube to the cabin
side.
If the front wing mount is not level cross ways ( at
right angle to the aircraft centerline) in relation to
the rear wing mount the wing incidence will be
different left to right which is to be avoided.
If you have already drilled the holes through the
cabin side into the down tubes and you find you wont
be able to compensate for the difference safely when
you drill the wing attachments then the only solution
would be to cut out the tube and splice a new one in.
Proven techniques for this procedure are well
documented in aircraft repair manuals.
Good luck.
Roy Szarafinski
Michigan USA
701 plans
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 Gross Weight? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Mark and any other listers than can provide insight
I would be interested in how these numbers can be worked. Also I have included
the text of an email that I sent to Nick at Zenith asking somewhat the same
question. All replies are appreciated, and hopefully will be something that I
can understand, and be able to explain to the DAR. He's already wanting me to
calculate moment of individual components. This weight and balance stuff is
starting to give me a headache (not to mention the other place that gets
pained).
Mark Sherman wrote:
> My older set of plans have a gross weight of 960#.
> You can fly with the old style of 701 at 1100 gross
> but you will have to drop your G's down to +3.5 and
> -2. You can do the math to get it exact.
Nick
Got a bit of a conundrum here, weighed my plane finally and empty
weight comes in at 620. I weigh 190, and with 20 gallons of fuel at 120
lbs. it come to a total of 930. That would mean I can only carry a 30
lb. passenger to stay under the 960 lb. design limit. That allows me to
carry either my dog or my one young niece. Your demonstrator aircraft
was built pre-SP. What is your gross weight shown on your data plate? I
would suspect that when I took a flight with Roger back on June 2nd of
1999 (the day I picked up my kit) that we were considerably heavier than
960. And if it is 1100 how did you get to that number without extensive
structural modification? Even with just the 6 gallons in the header tank
I would only be able to carry someone that weighs 110 lbs or less. I
don't know all that many people that will be able to fit that category.
Seems to be a bit of a shame to have a two seat airplane that can carry
only one. Really don't want to get busted on a ramp check. Did receive a
reply on the builders list that stated:
"My older set of plans have a gross weight of 960#.
You can fly with the old style of 701 at 1100 gross
but you will have to drop your G's down to +3.5 and
-2. You can do the math to get it exact."
Is it legal to engrave 1100 on the data plate? And if so, what kind of
math needs to be done to back this up? Since I intend to be pretty much
of a fair weather flier only when carrying passengers the 1100 number
would work for me if it is do-able. Just need to get past the inspection
point first.
Thanks
Mike Sinclair
Augusta Kansas
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, all
The following note was posted on the Aeroelectric list.
I believe many on this list will be interested.
I downloaded the "donation-ware" and played with it on the PC - looks quite interesting.
If you decide to download it, be sure to read Help (easy reading and to the point)
and avoid some
frustration.
Carlos
____________________________________
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Joa Harrison <flyasuperseven@yahoo.com>
Has anyone tried PocketFMS (www.pocketfms.com) ?
It looks like a *great* idea. Provide a very low cost moving map software package
and then have a
community of users that continually update it with local waypoints and airport
info. Just what
the owner-built community needs.
If enough people contributed maybe we could get the developers to create artificial
horizon (GPS
based only) shareware too.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Has anybody received the Zenith Newsletter since the Jan/Feb issue? I Don=B9t
recall receiving any since then. I=B9ve been out of town so much the past few
months, I hadn=B9t noticed the disruption.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Nearly done.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: re, 701 cage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jimmy Parker <jwestie1@juno.com>
Thanks for the suggestions:
I raised the left tube about 3mm; and, everything leveled up.
Since I have already drilled the cabin side and tubing, couldn't I
"sleeve" a tube on the inside; or for that matter, on the outside; and,
make it rest on the "L"?
Jim
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| Subject: | [ Ray Montagne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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| Subject: | [ Dave Alberti ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | Re: re, 701 cage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 5/22/2004 12:47:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
jwestie1@juno.com writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jimmy Parker <jwestie1@juno.com>
>
> Thanks for the suggestions:
>
> I raised the left tube about 3mm; and, everything leveled up.
>
> Since I have already drilled the cabin side and tubing, couldn't I
> "sleeve" a tube on the inside; or for that matter, on the outside; and,
> make it rest on the "L"?
>
> Jim
>
>
Why not ask ZAC if a shim under the tube end is OK,,, and additional rivets
between the existing holes?
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| Subject: | Re: 912 hard start when hot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lee Thomas" <cltvet@mail.ocis.net>
test
----- Original Message -----
From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 912 hard start when hot
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Incidently you can test this theory...
>
> Take a funnel and a 1/4 rubber hose. When hot and you know it won't
> start...full off the supply hose to the electric pump and plug it with a
> bolt or something from te tank.
>
> Connect your rubber hose and funnel....pour gas into the funnel and turn
on
> the electric pump...I bet it primes and stops clicking as normal...the
> engine will then fire instantly.......Be careful with all that petrol
> sloshing about!!!
> FRank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> McLachlan
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 hard start when hot
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan"
> --> <richard@rodsley.net>
>
> So the English Summer has arrived, and now we have this problem too.
> CH601HDS with Rotax 912ULS running on 100LL Avgas. Mechanical fuel pump
and
> electric pump in parallel. In line filters on the tank side of each pump.
> Electric pump normally only used for starting. No fuel vapour return line
> (yet). Carbs recently set up and balanced by Rotax dealer. Plugs set to 20
> thou.
>
> Cold start is instant. Outside ambient maybe 65 -70 deg F. Engine runs
> perfectly in flight. Shut down for 20 minutes and it starts with no
problem.
> However if we shut down and leave aircraft either in hangar or outside for
> 2-3 hours, starting becomes almost impossible. All combinations of
throttle,
> choke, scavenge it, etc etc. Eventually when you think the battery is
going
> to give in it just about coughs into life. One noticeable point is that
when
> it is in this condition, if you switch on the electric fuel pump it buzzes
> awy to itself, whereas normally it just clicks once and stops. Presumably
> this means it is either pumping air or vapour or is shifting a lot of
> liquid.
>
> Any ideas guys?
>
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@granderiver.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 912 hard start when hot
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Koonce"
> > --> <rlk@granderiver.net>
> >
> > thanks Richard, Dave, Frank and Rick. Doesn't seem to be ignition
> > related.
> Changed plug gaps to .020. No help. Let me give a better description of my
> problem. Engine starts fine when cool. Runs great, full power climbing as
> long as you can stand it. In flight, current weather, 4000 r.p.m.. temps
> stabilize around 180 water and oil. If you land and shut down, will not
> start at all using any combination of inputs. choke/no choke (enricher).
> Throttle /no throttle. cussing/praying. boost pump/no boost. After 30
minute
> cool down starts fine.
> > If you land and let idle for 10 or so minutes, (I know this is not
> good for engine, but has been part of trying to find problem) when you
take
> off, r.p.m. will drop off around 3500 or 4000 and engine won't make full
> power. sometimes will die completely. To simulate this on ground I let
idle
> until temps got to around 200 oil and 225 water. Advance throttle and
engine
> stumbles around 3500. Doing mag check during stumble causes no change, so
> I'm thinking this rules out ignition.? Boost pump causes slight but not
much
> smoother running. Shut off engine. Do immediate infrared temperature check
> of carb float bowls, get reading of 170 F. Pull bowls of right after
> removing top cowl, bowls are both at proper level. Running 92 octane
mogas.
> Ambient temp lately in the high 70's.
> > I'm out of ideas and will try anything. Thanks.
> >
> >
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lee Thomas" <cltvet@mail.ocis.net>
test for transmission only
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon control on 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle" <jreuschle@mindspring.com>
Johann,
I have attached two pictures of my flap control and two pictures of drawings
for my flap control. I hope the drawings are readable. Otherwise I can FAX
them to you .
My control also has a stop at 0 degrees which can be folded back for a
cruise setting of negative flaps. You can see it in the pictures but I
haven't a drawing of it.
Also, on my 5/8 inch tubing I have a larger 3/4 tube around the top because
I ran short of the 5/8 inch tubing. Note that the underside of the flap
control tube is notched to fit over the .090 inch steel plate which is
welded to the 5/8 control arm tubing. Yo may have to adjust this to allow
full movement.
All steel plate & tubing is 4130.
I hope this is helpful. If you have any questions let me know
Jeff Reuschle
CH701JR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flaperon control on 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
>
>
> Hello Jeff.
>
> Thank you very much for your reply. Yes, I would very much like a picture
of
> you setup. I can not reply to your address "jreuschle@mindspring.com"
> Something to do with my server. So I must reply to the list for this one.
> Sorry list members.
>
> Look forward to see your setup.
>
> Best regards,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Reuschle
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flaperon control on 701
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle"
> <jreuschle@mindspring.com>
>
> Johann,
>
> My 701 has a different system for the flaperons. I have a handle that
pivots
> foreward to deploy the flaperons. It slides along a vertical plate which
is
> mounted to the cabin floor. This plate or sheet has notches in it for
> various degrees setting. The locking part of the handle is spring loaded
> such that if you lift up on it with two fingers, you release the handle
and
> can slide the handle foreward or backwards to the next notch of flaps and
> then release the locking portion..
>
> I could send you a digital picture if that would help.
>
> Jeff Reuschle
> NCH701JR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Flaperon control on 701
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
> >
> > Hello list members
> >
> > I would like to ask you 701 builders if anyone has used the bungy cord
> > method for the flaperon control handle.
> > If so, how do you like it? Does it hold the handle down properly?
> > Have you used any other method with the original flaperon handle bar?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Johann G.
> > Iceland.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Make your own Fuel sender covers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
It's easy to make these domed covers, just take a piece of 2" thick wood,
attatch it to a headstock on a wood lathe, use gouge to make a dome just the
size you need, maybe 3/8" deep, sand it very smooth.
Then make a ring of plywood, cut the center a little bigger in diameter than
the dome, cut the outside big enough to clear the 20mm flange you will want
on your cover, plus room for some wood screws.
Then cut out a circle of soft aluminum sheet, 3003, or 2024 T0 work fine, a
fellow builder I told about this used 6061T6 in .025 and said it worked too.
cut the part 20mm or so bigger than the dome, for riveting to the wing.
Center the aluminum circle over the dished out wood, place the ring over it
and screw the ring down hard to clamp the aluminum.
Then just take a rubber hammer and beat the aluminum into the dish. On my
CH801, they came out perfect, I pooled about 1/8" of JB-Weld in the dome as
a dielectric.
Jim Frisby
N801ZA
"Finished" and "Flying"
> Greetings listers
> After a lot of thought, I have decided to mount the senders on top of
>the
> tank. My reasons for this are twofold; the first one is if it leaks I
>won't lose
> a half of tank of fuel,and secondly, the sensor will be replaceable
>without
> having to tear the wing apart to remove the fuel tank. As for the
>clearance
> problem, I am going to rivet on a slightly domed circular access cover.
>I have
> already modified the sending unit and it just barely will clear but I
>feel the
> domed cover will be a bit of extra insurance. Has anyone run across a
>domed
> cover like this anywhere? Thanks
> Joe Motis
> 601 XL
>
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
Has anybody received the Zenith Newsletter since the Jan/Feb issue?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bryan,
About a month ago I received issue #141 (March / April).
Kelly
Do not achieve
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| Subject: | Re: Leveling 701 Cage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Jimmy, what is a little? If you are talking about 1/4" or so, forget it. If more
then you need to fix it best you can. It appears to me that there is a lot
of fudge factor with the 701 as long as you don't get silly.
Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmy Parker
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:01 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Leveling 701 Cage
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jimmy Parker <jwestie1@juno.com>
Hi list.
I'm new to the list; and, new to building.
I've purchased an "almost completed" 701.
Here's my problem:
I leveled both fuselages; but, after drilling and clecoing per the plans,
I noticed
on the right side the front is a little low.
I don't know how I got off; but, it is.
Now, the question:
How do I fix it; or, does it need fixing?
I can pull up the front tube to get it level; but then the tube is not
resting on the "L" angle on the side.
Help! I'm not doing anything else until I hear from experienced
builders.
Jim
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Pwalsh4539@aol.com
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| Subject: | 601 HD for sale(again) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Pwalsh4539@aol.com
Well, I am going to actively try to sell my 601 HD/Rotax912. I had mentioned
it a while back on the list, but now it is time to sell as I just do not fly
much anymore.
Built in 1997 and has approx 200 hours TT. No mods. Vfr equipped,garmin gps,
icom panel mount radio.
Asking $20,000.00 neg. or trade for RV (as in travel trailer) of equal
value. I would consider selling parts as well. She flies great, there is no rush
to
sell, I just hate for my plane to sit too long.
For more details contact off-list at PWalsh4539@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon control on 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello Jeff.
You will need to send the pictures to me directly instead for the list. If you
would please send them to this address: johann@gi.is or if you want everyone
to receive the pictures, you need to send them to Matt as a photoshare.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
Iceland
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle"
> <jreuschle@mindspring.com>
>
> Johann,
>
> I have attached two pictures of my flap control and two pictures of drawings
> for my flap control. I hope the drawings are readable. Otherwise I can FAX
> them to you .
>
> My control also has a stop at 0 degrees which can be folded back for a
> cruise setting of negative flaps. You can see it in the pictures but I
> haven't a drawing of it.
>
> Also, on my 5/8 inch tubing I have a larger 3/4 tube around the top because
> I ran short of the 5/8 inch tubing. Note that the underside of the flap
> control tube is notched to fit over the .090 inch steel plate which is
> welded to the 5/8 control arm tubing. Yo may have to adjust this to allow
> full movement.
>
> All steel plate & tubing is 4130.
>
> I hope this is helpful. If you have any questions let me know
>
> Jeff Reuschle
> CH701JR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flaperon control on 701
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
> >
> >
> > Hello Jeff.
> >
> > Thank you very much for your reply. Yes, I would very much like a picture
> of
> > you setup. I can not reply to your address "jreuschle@mindspring.com"
> > Something to do with my server. So I must reply to the list for this one.
> > Sorry list members.
> >
> > Look forward to see your setup.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Johann G.
> > Iceland.
> > Do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Reuschle
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flaperon control on 701
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle"
> > <jreuschle@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Johann,
> >
> > My 701 has a different system for the flaperons. I have a handle that
> pivots
> > foreward to deploy the flaperons. It slides along a vertical plate which
> is
> > mounted to the cabin floor. This plate or sheet has notches in it for
> > various degrees setting. The locking part of the handle is spring loaded
> > such that if you lift up on it with two fingers, you release the handle
> and
> > can slide the handle foreward or backwards to the next notch of flaps and
> > then release the locking portion..
> >
> > I could send you a digital picture if that would help.
> >
> > Jeff Reuschle
> > NCH701JR
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Flaperon control on 701
> >
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
> > >
> > > Hello list members
> > >
> > > I would like to ask you 701 builders if anyone has used the bungy cord
> > > method for the flaperon control handle.
> > > If so, how do you like it? Does it hold the handle down properly?
> > > Have you used any other method with the original flaperon handle bar?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Johann G.
> > > Iceland.
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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