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1. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: Angles ,Extrutions. (David Barth)
2. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Angles ,Extrutions. (Al Etherington)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: supplier question (Scott Laughlin)
4. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: supplier question (Bryan Martin)
5. 10:44 AM - Front wheel bearings (Mark Sherman)
6. 12:27 PM - Stratus Ignition Modules - Distributor (Andrew SanClemente)
7. 01:00 PM - Re: Stratus Ignition Modules - Distributor (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
8. 03:21 PM - Re: Airmaster constant speed props For HDS (Leo J. Corbalis)
9. 06:46 PM - Bill Mileski's fuel tank mods (Jon Croke)
10. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Angles ,Extrutions. (Dave & Darlene)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Angles ,Extrutions. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi Dave.
I made the mistake of just wanting to get going making
parts and used an entire sheet of .016 making small
parts. Now I have to get some large parts out of
sheets and have some significant small pieces of sheet
left over. I think if you buy your sheet and always
take out the largest pieces first, you will usually be
able to make your small pieces from the leftovers and
not have as much waste. I may have some .016 you can
buy cheap. I want to finish my elevator first and cut
out the rest of the skins I will need but after that I
may have a pile. If you are in a real hurry I could
probably bundle you up a few smaller pieces 16" x 4'
and send them out on the bus. I will probably be in
the area sometine in the next 6 weeks and can bring
them to Edmonton if you can wait.
David
--- Dave & Darlene <dnimigon@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene"
> <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
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> Hi All
> 'm in the process of getting together metal, etc for
> my XL. I live in Alberta, just west of Edmonton.
> I'm looking for a builder who might have some extra
> metal kicking around. I realize there are many
> different sizes of angles,sheeting that we need. I
> can access the most common, but there are some that
> can only be ordered by the 4x12 sheet. Most of the
> sheet is never needed and there seems to be much
> left over. I would be willing to pay fair price
> plus shipping. I just think this would be a lettle
> more less expensive then buying a whole sheet or a
> long length of angle only to use a small piece of
> it. It would probably only be worthwhile getting
> this from a canadian as shipping cross the border
> can get expensive. Any thoughts from the group are
> welcome.
> Dave
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Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Angles ,Extrutions. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Etherington" <aletherington@rogers.com>
Mornin' Dave:
I just sent an e-mail to Edmonton Dave, listing the materials I bought.
Are you aware that there are cutting layouts available? I'm not sure where
they originated, but I think Mark e-mailed them to me way back at the
beginning of this exercise. I found them to be pretty accurate, and
minimize the scrap. Edmonton Dave could use them, but I don't have a way to
send them to him, as the one I received has vanished.
Cheers,
Al
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Angles ,Extrutions.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi Dave.
I made the mistake of just wanting to get going making
parts and used an entire sheet of .016 making small
parts. Now I have to get some large parts out of
sheets and have some significant small pieces of sheet
left over. I think if you buy your sheet and always
take out the largest pieces first, you will usually be
able to make your small pieces from the leftovers and
not have as much waste. I may have some .016 you can
buy cheap. I want to finish my elevator first and cut
out the rest of the skins I will need but after that I
may have a pile. If you are in a real hurry I could
probably bundle you up a few smaller pieces 16" x 4'
and send them out on the bus. I will probably be in
the area sometine in the next 6 weeks and can bring
them to Edmonton if you can wait.
David
:
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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| Subject: | Re: supplier question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Kevin and John:
I have ordered from both Aircraft Spruce and Yarde Metals. The quality of
aluminum is the same. Aircraft Spruce ships the aluminum rolled up, stuffed
in a box with a bunch of foam peanuts and it comes to your front door via
UPS (The tape they use is a B!%
& to get off aluminum). Yarde ships only to
businesses and you have to go pick it up with a pickup truck because it is
on a big, flat pallet.
My order from Yarde was WAY less costly than my orders from Aircraft Spruce,
but the Yarde order was larger. Aircraft Spruce has it's place when you
need a small order and need it fast. You save money when you plan ahead and
get a large shipment from Yarde Metals.
I'm not aware of any protective film except what I've seen on the RV
websites on kit parts.
Have a good day,
Scott Laughlin
601XL/Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
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From: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
The only thing to note is that the aluminum does not come with any sort of
protective film on it like
others have remarked getting from other sources.
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| Subject: | Re: supplier question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
>
> The only thing to note is that the aluminum does not come with any sort of
> protective film on it like
> others have remarked getting from other sources.
>
I don't expect you'll see protective film on 6061 T6 sheets. Protective film
is put on 2024 Alclad sheets to protect the pure aluminum surface coating
from scratches which would negate it's corrosion protection. No 2024 sheets
are used on the Zenith planes.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Nearly done.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Front wheel bearings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman <msherman95632@yahoo.com>
The front wheel ball bearing type is more than strong
enough for the light weight aircraft. This size
bearing usually will carry a 1500# load each, and you
have two of them. The side load they will carry is
usually about 50% of that. So do you really think you
are putting a side load of 1500% on those bearings
when you land or turn a corner?
The problem is as someone else wrote earlier, there
needs to be a spacer between the two bearings to
prevent a side load from the axel bolts being to
tight.
If you don't want to fab a spacer you could just
tighten the axel bolts to about 5 inch pounds (a
little over hand tight), they aren't going anywhere,
they are safety wired.
Mark S.
CH701/912ULS
Just ordered engine and
instruments. (wallet empty now!!)
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| Subject: | Stratus Ignition Modules - Distributor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
Im having a problem with my stratus EA-81 distributor. I have traced
the problem to what most likely appears to be a module failure. Does
anyone have the part numbers for the distributor/modules etc.. from
Napa or other auto parts store so I can replace it?
Thanks
Andrew
Im having a problem with my stratus EA-81 distributor. I have traced the problem
to what most likely appears to be a module failure. Does anyone have the part
numbers for the distributor/modules etc.. from Napa or other auto parts store
so I can replace it?
Thanks
Andrew
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| Subject: | Stratus Ignition Modules - Distributor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Oh dear!
The parts you require are $287 from Napa last time I checked. Now we have
more evidence that the standard Nippon Denso ignitor chip is hideously
feeble.
When you say it's a Stratus, you really mean it's the Nippon Denso subaru
distributor correct?
If this is the case and you insist on replacing it I have the electronics
you need that I can sell you for $100...Thats what it cost me.
OR....You can take uncle Frank's advice and cut the ignitor chip off and
wire the pickup coil to a GM style ignitor chip...NAPA do a heavy duty
version called the TP 45 which is bullet proof.
Get onto "yahoogroups" and join "airsoob" and "flysoob". The wiring diagram
is in one of those group's file sections.
You need a little more cranking speed to get it to work and sometimes mine
won't start...Simple enough to switch power to the second ignition system a
couple of times while cranking and it will fire right up.
I use two of these systems wired into the same distributor cap...But that is
more work and only necessary if (when in my case) the second Stratus crank
fired system fails.
Please don't pay $300 for the same junk as you got now!
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
SanClemente
Subject: Zenith-List: Stratus Ignition Modules - Distributor
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente
--> <ansancle@townisp.com>
Im having a problem with my stratus EA-81 distributor. I have traced
the problem to what most likely appears to be a module failure. Does
anyone have the part numbers for the distributor/modules etc.. from
Napa or other auto parts store so I can replace it?
Thanks
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: Airmaster constant speed props For HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I'd go for constant speed prop as the rpm wanders up and down 100 rpm as you
bounce around in mild air. You should get 10 kts. more cruise. Get the prop
manufacturer to recommend the right size !
Leo
> I have a WOODCOMP in flight adjustable prop which can get you to the 130
mph
> IAS cruise speed if you are willing to cruise at 5500 rpm. I'm not, so I
use
> 5200 to 5300 at full throttle at 5000 ft or more. I use altitude to reduce
> manifold pr. and get reasonable EGT's with full throttle. Pulling the
> throttle back' particularly at low altitude increases the EGT spread. I
use
> WOT and 5500 for climb. I overtook and outclimbed a Cessna 150 that took
off
> ahead of me. Jack Callison is installing an AIRMASTER prop on his 601HDS
> with a JABIRAU 3300 just so he can clean my clock.
>
> Leo Corbalis
>
> Hi to all on the list, Some question for any person who has a 601 HDS and
> is using this prop set-up / verses a constant speed and in flight
adjustable
> prop. My engine is a Rotax 912UL and @ present using a Bolly Optima 3
> series ground adjustable Australian made prop set @ 16Deg pitch @ 605mm
> radius (recommended setting ) and the figures are as follows, Max take off
> RPM 5600 / cruse @ 5200 90Kts @ 500kg . My question is what could I
expect
> in top end speed @ the same RPM. I am led to believe that I should get at
> least 10kts for the same fuel consumption. Any advice from the list would
be
> welcome, as I only use my aircraft manly in long distance flights, where
> speed is my main consideration. This prop with all its advantages seems
the
> way to go with limited Horses under the bonnet. Many thanks in advance.
Norm
> Turner. CH601 HDS 335Hrs and love it. Cheers!!!!
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| Subject: | Bill Mileski's fuel tank mods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
I often wondered how to create a convenient way to disconnect those 701 fuel
tanks when removing a wing... well Bill has a nice mod that deals with this
nicely.....and more .. now on the Builder's Photo section at www.CH701.com
Thanks Bill!
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Angles ,Extrutions. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
Hi Dave.
I tell you this list has more great guys than I can count. Your deal sounds
excellent. You could throw them on the bus if that's fine with you. Just
send it freight collect. I would like to get bending here. (a little
excited more than anything.) Tired of googling over the drawings. Let me
know what you want for the metal and I'll send you a money order. Again
Thanks Dave.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barth" <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Angles ,Extrutions.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Dave.
> I made the mistake of just wanting to get going making
> parts and used an entire sheet of .016 making small
> parts. Now I have to get some large parts out of
> sheets and have some significant small pieces of sheet
> left over. I think if you buy your sheet and always
> take out the largest pieces first, you will usually be
> able to make your small pieces from the leftovers and
> not have as much waste. I may have some .016 you can
> buy cheap. I want to finish my elevator first and cut
> out the rest of the skins I will need but after that I
> may have a pile. If you are in a real hurry I could
> probably bundle you up a few smaller pieces 16" x 4'
> and send them out on the bus. I will probably be in
> the area sometine in the next 6 weeks and can bring
> them to Edmonton if you can wait.
> David
> --- Dave & Darlene <dnimigon@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene"
> > <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
> >
> > Hi All
> > 'm in the process of getting together metal, etc for
> > my XL. I live in Alberta, just west of Edmonton.
> > I'm looking for a builder who might have some extra
> > metal kicking around. I realize there are many
> > different sizes of angles,sheeting that we need. I
> > can access the most common, but there are some that
> > can only be ordered by the 4x12 sheet. Most of the
> > sheet is never needed and there seems to be much
> > left over. I would be willing to pay fair price
> > plus shipping. I just think this would be a lettle
> > more less expensive then buying a whole sheet or a
> > long length of angle only to use a small piece of
> > it. It would probably only be worthwhile getting
> > this from a canadian as shipping cross the border
> > can get expensive. Any thoughts from the group are
> > welcome.
> > Dave
> > dnimigon@telusplanet.net
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/chat
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> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
> Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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