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1. 05:39 AM - Re: Zodiac XL Components for sale (David Eckhart)
2. 06:21 AM - Zenith-List Digest: 37 prop links for propeller manufacturers - good list - (Philip Condon)
3. 06:44 AM - Re: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru? (Rick)
4. 08:47 AM - Re: fuel tank offset for 601 (Bob Miller)
5. 09:23 AM - Re: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru? (Thomas F Marson)
6. 09:27 AM - Re: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru? (Brett)
7. 09:32 AM - 701 engine offset (Dirk Slabbert)
8. 09:44 AM - Re: fuel tank offset for 601 ()
9. 10:00 AM - Re: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru? (Leo J. Corbalis)
10. 10:35 AM - Re: fuel tank offset for 601 (Bob Miller)
11. 10:46 AM - An idea I thought I might share (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
12. 10:48 AM - 701 wing tanks ()
13. 11:09 AM - Re: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru? (Rick)
14. 11:09 AM - Anyone in the UK using a VP prop? (Richard McLachlan)
15. 11:31 AM - Re: An idea I thought I might share (Bill Cardell)
16. 11:41 AM - Re: fuel tank offset for 601 (Ron DeWees)
17. 11:41 AM - Re: fuel tank offset for 601 (Ron DeWees)
18. 07:01 PM - Re: Zodiac XL (xl)
19. 07:01 PM - eight days till Lock Haven (Jeff Small)
20. 07:24 PM - Re: fuel tank offset for 601 (Dave Austin)
21. 08:20 PM - Re: 701 engine offset (Chuck Deiterich)
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| Subject: | Zodiac XL Components for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Eckhart" <david.eckhart@leggett.com>
Tail Kit, Wing kit, fuel kit, and nav/strobe kit. Tail and one wing done. Will
accept reasonable offer.
Thanks, David Eckhart david.eckhart@leggett.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac XL Components for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
All you have are the wing and tail kits? Or is it a whole kit?
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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| Subject: | Zenith-List Digest: 37 prop links for propeller manufacturers |
- good list -
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
http://www.dulfu.dk/linkdir/results.asp?view=Gruppe&Gruppe=18
Web site for lots 'o propeller manufacturers. Nice to have data like this in
one place
http://www.dulfu.dk/linkdir/results.asp?view=Gruppe&Gruppe=18
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Tom, what diameter prop are you using on your 601?
Seems like the 72" prop you're recommending wouldn't have much ground
clearance.?
Rick P.
Jabiru 3300 w/ 64" Sensenich (and loving it)
Thomas F Marson wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
>
> Peter, you will get lots of opinions. Here is my take and it may surprise
> you
>
> Jab 3300, Lots of guys report overheating problems, all do not.
> Many report it wont put out the advertised 120 hp many say they estimate
> 105-110 at best.
> Must swing a small diameter prop because blades go sonic. Max about 64 to 66
> inches. Ok but need lots of pitch, ok but then you need a fast airplane for
> it to perform well. 601 is not fast enough airframe for it to work well.
> Need a plane of about 150 mph or more for optimum.
>
> 6cyl smooth sure
>
> Reliability?---- lots more experience with the 912 and 912S by far than the
> Jab 3300.
>
> geared drive of the 912S lets you swing a 70 to 72 inch ground adjustable
> best for takeoff and climb on airframe like the 601 XL
>
> Your statement of Dedicated aircraft engine as a plus for Jab 3300 implies
> this is a plus-------- How can it be a plus when they are still having
> teething problems and there are relatively few of them out yet. AND-- isnt
> the Rotax 912S a dedicated aircraft engine.
>
> Based on prop diameter alone and the size of the 601 airframe the 912S is by
> far the better choice.
>
> Next question---------- what about the Continentals or Lycomings?
>
> tom
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru?
>
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
>>
>> Apologies if this topic has been done to death before.
>>
>> I'm just about to start the build of an XL in the UK
>> and want to decide on the engine. Being the UK its much
>> easier to to get approval with a standard engine rather
>> than a conversion so I'm limited to the Rotax and
>> Jabiru.
>>
>> The pros and cons as I see them are:
>>
>> Rotax
>> Pro:
>> Overall cost
>> Fuel consumption
>> Cons:
>> Reliability?
>>
>> Jabiru
>> Pro:
>> Dedicated Aircraft engine
>> Ease of installation
>> Additional power
>> Con:
>> Difficult to prop to make use of power
>> Fuel consumption
>>
>>
>> I would really appreciate feedback from those who have
>> been there before including real world performance
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank offset for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
George,
Many thanks for the detailed description. Jeff Small sent me some photos of
his setup, which sounds basically like yours, but his didn't have the
helpful written description. So now I think it's covered!
Sounds like yours is completely isolated from the metal airframe, is that
right? Does this mean you don't need to ground the tank????
Also, I'm supposing you have a vent out the fuel cap?
Thanks again,
Bob Miller
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel tank offset for 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Bob:
>
> I had the same problem with the 8 gallon fuselage tank on my 601HD. I made
a
> 50 by 20mm angle, the same length as 6-F-8-1 and rivetted it to 6-F-8-1,
> with the 20mm flange facing down. That made a sort of shelf for the tank
to
> rest on. I added three triangular support brackets under the shelf, one in
> the center and one on each side. The free edge of each bracket has a
> stiffening flange.They are fastened to the shelf and the firewall. There
is
> an .025 angle rivetted to the shelf, flange facing up, to position the
> bottom end of the fuel tank. This angle lies on top of the tank support
> straps as they cross the shelf, and is the same length as the shelf.
>
> At the same width as the tank I rivetted vertical channel-shaped members
to
> space the tank away from the firewall. These channels are made from two
> overlapping angles, rivetted together. The width of each channel is the
same
> as the distance from the firewall to the "flange-up" angle on the shelf,
and
> they extend up from the shelf to the flange on the firewall. If you find
> that the tank doesn't want to fit quite parallel to the firewall you can
> taper the channels as necessary as you rivet them together.
>
> I made two short straps with end fittings like the 6-F-16-5 tank support
> straps, and rivetted one to each of the vertical channels. An extruded
> aluminum angle a couple of inches longer than the tank is wide is bolted
to
> the short straps, holding the tank snug against the vertical channels and
> the upward facing angle on the shelf. That way, the neck of the tank
doesn't
> touch the edge of the hole in the top skin. The angle also stiffens the
back
> side of the tank.
>
> All the added parts were bent up from .025 sheet. All surfaces that touch
> the tank are padded with 1/8 inch cork that I bought at a craft store.
>
> I hope this gives you some ideas you can use.
>
> George
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: fuel tank offset for 601
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
> <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
> >
> > I'm close to ready to mount the gas tank, but am a little nervous about
> >
> > The plans say to set the fuel tank off one-half inch from the firewall,
> but my tank is made such that to have the fuel filler above the cowling
I'll
> have to tilt it to about one and one-half inches from firewall. This
means
> the tank will be resting only on the straps, and this set up looks kinda
> flimsy to hold up a full tank weighing almost 130 pounds.
> >
> > Has anybody provided extra support for the tank? And if so, howdja do
it?
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Hi Rick, I dont have a 601 but follow this web. I have build several
planes (3) and was considering the 601 XL.
Zenith certainly has the experience and can tell you what size they are
running.
I have just passed on to you my thoughts based on experience as well as
comments overheard in the Homebuilder community.
tom Marson in Wisconsin USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
>
> Tom, what diameter prop are you using on your 601?
> Seems like the 72" prop you're recommending wouldn't have much ground
> clearance.?
>
> Rick P.
> Jabiru 3300 w/ 64" Sensenich (and loving it)
>
>
> Thomas F Marson wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson"
<tmarson@pressenter.com>
> >
> > Peter, you will get lots of opinions. Here is my take and it may
surprise
> > you
> >
> > Jab 3300, Lots of guys report overheating problems, all do not.
> > Many report it wont put out the advertised 120 hp many say they
estimate
> > 105-110 at best.
> > Must swing a small diameter prop because blades go sonic. Max about 64
to 66
> > inches. Ok but need lots of pitch, ok but then you need a fast airplane
for
> > it to perform well. 601 is not fast enough airframe for it to work
well.
> > Need a plane of about 150 mph or more for optimum.
> >
> > 6cyl smooth sure
> >
> > Reliability?---- lots more experience with the 912 and 912S by far than
the
> > Jab 3300.
> >
> > geared drive of the 912S lets you swing a 70 to 72 inch ground
adjustable
> > best for takeoff and climb on airframe like the 601 XL
> >
> > Your statement of Dedicated aircraft engine as a plus for Jab 3300
implies
> > this is a plus-------- How can it be a plus when they are still having
> > teething problems and there are relatively few of them out yet. AND--
isnt
> > the Rotax 912S a dedicated aircraft engine.
> >
> > Based on prop diameter alone and the size of the 601 airframe the 912S
is by
> > far the better choice.
> >
> > Next question---------- what about the Continentals or Lycomings?
> >
> > tom
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru?
> >
> >
> >
> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
> >>
> >> Apologies if this topic has been done to death before.
> >>
> >> I'm just about to start the build of an XL in the UK
> >> and want to decide on the engine. Being the UK its much
> >> easier to to get approval with a standard engine rather
> >> than a conversion so I'm limited to the Rotax and
> >> Jabiru.
> >>
> >> The pros and cons as I see them are:
> >>
> >> Rotax
> >> Pro:
> >> Overall cost
> >> Fuel consumption
> >> Cons:
> >> Reliability?
> >>
> >> Jabiru
> >> Pro:
> >> Dedicated Aircraft engine
> >> Ease of installation
> >> Additional power
> >> Con:
> >> Difficult to prop to make use of power
> >> Fuel consumption
> >>
> >>
> >> I would really appreciate feedback from those who have
> >> been there before including real world performance
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
I myself don't think 80 HP is enough. And I don't think Zenith
recommends 80 any more for the XL. It will work but I put in the 80 HP
Harley and I am now putting in the 110 HP. If that tells you anything.
It flew ok but all my flying up till now was in cool or cold weather.
All I could get for speed was 100 to 110 mph cruise. (without wheel
pants) Take off 700 feet climb around 600 fpm a little more a little
less just depends. I have had it to 8000 ft. but at that height the
climb was slow and air speed droped to about 90. If I were you I would
go with at least 100 HP. And save your self some regrets. Its better
to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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| Subject: | 701 engine offset |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Has anyone measured the off set for the 912 on the 701?
Both horizontal and vertical if any ?
Thanks,
Dirk.
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| Subject: | fuel tank offset for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
I'd ground all tanks, always!
GGP
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
The prop story is a work in progress involving both WOODCOMP and GSC. When I
know whats happening I will report all.
Leo>
> Hi Leo,
>
> I saw your prop back on a week ago and noticed it is back off again. How
> are things going with the prop?
>
> Ray
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank offset for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Thanks, there's no mention of it in the manual, which in fact seems to imply
isolation.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: fuel tank offset for 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
>
> I'd ground all tanks, always!
>
> GGP
>
>
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| Subject: | An idea I thought I might share |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Here is an idea for you that came from Ron at Ram performance...Its one I'm
going back to retrofit on my plane as we speak.
If you have larger valves installed in your Stratus your mixture will be
weak when you get the engine running again and the mid range and main jets
will need to be changed, using the plug colour as a guide....Let me tell you
this takes a lot of time and plug colour takes experience to read. So as an
alternative I am doing this....
I purchased a Mixture guage that is run from a O2 sensor. I havent used it
yet but a friend of mine tried mine on his motorcycle and said it worked
great.
The only problem is you need some way of inserting the O2 probe in the
exhaust....You could stuff it up the tailpipe but that restricts the exhaust
which alters the mixture and it might not get hot enough. I would'nt fly
with it that way either...:)
What you really want is to take your exhaust pipes to a muffler shop and
weld on an O2 sensor bung in each pipe in a place that allows you to screw
in the O2 sensor. The bungs are about $5 each.
The thread is a spark plug thread so you can get a couple of cheap plugs,
bust out the ceramic and weld up the hole (I bet there is a special plug you
can get for them too).
The guage is about $30 from summit racing and the O2 sensor was $23 from my
local autoparts store. You could permanently mount the guage in your panel
if you want. I probably won't do that because once the jets are sized it
should not be needed. plus the O2 sensor won't tolerate AVgas.
The good thing is that you will be able to check your mixture very quickly
and dial in your jet sizes in a very timely manner...You can even fly it and
see how well your Bings adjust for altitude.
For $70 or so it will save you a ton of time and you will know that your
mixture is set perfectly through the rev range.
I'm picking up my bungs this afternoon so this week should tell how good my
plug colour reading expertise is....:)
Frank
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <petes15515@msn.com>
Probably a really obvious answer to this one, but what is the significance
of the rolled bead shown on 7-V-11 of the 701 10 gallon gas tank plans ?. Is
it there to provide a support for the ends when they are welded or does it
provide rigidity or what ?? Any insight, as always would be appriciated.
Peter. 701, 10% there....
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Thomas F Marson wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
>
> Hi Rick, I dont have a 601 but follow this web. I have build several
> planes (3) and was considering the 601 XL.
>
> Zenith certainly has the experience and can tell you what size they are
> running.
>
> I have just passed on to you my thoughts based on experience as well as
> comments overheard in the Homebuilder community.
Ooops... sorry, I thought you'd actaully tried the big prop on a Zodie.
I was wondering how you managed to keep from dinging the prop with only
a couple inches of ground clearance. ;)
Rick P.
>
> tom Marson in Wisconsin USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru?
>
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>>
>>
>> Tom, what diameter prop are you using on your 601?
>> Seems like the 72" prop you're recommending wouldn't have much ground
>> clearance.?
>>
>> Rick P.
>> Jabiru 3300 w/ 64" Sensenich (and loving it)
>>
>>
>> Thomas F Marson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson"
>>
> <tmarson@pressenter.com>
>
>>> Peter, you will get lots of opinions. Here is my take and it may
>>
> surprise
>
>>> you
>>>
>>> Jab 3300, Lots of guys report overheating problems, all do not.
>>> Many report it wont put out the advertised 120 hp many say they
>>
> estimate
>
>>> 105-110 at best.
>>> Must swing a small diameter prop because blades go sonic. Max about 64
>>
> to 66
>
>>> inches. Ok but need lots of pitch, ok but then you need a fast airplane
>>
> for
>
>>> it to perform well. 601 is not fast enough airframe for it to work
>>
> well.
>
>>> Need a plane of about 150 mph or more for optimum.
>>>
>>> 6cyl smooth sure
>>>
>>> Reliability?---- lots more experience with the 912 and 912S by far than
>>
> the
>
>>> Jab 3300.
>>>
>>> geared drive of the 912S lets you swing a 70 to 72 inch ground
>>
> adjustable
>
>>> best for takeoff and climb on airframe like the 601 XL
>>>
>>> Your statement of Dedicated aircraft engine as a plus for Jab 3300
>>
> implies
>
>>> this is a plus-------- How can it be a plus when they are still having
>>> teething problems and there are relatively few of them out yet. AND--
>>
> isnt
>
>>> the Rotax 912S a dedicated aircraft engine.
>>>
>>> Based on prop diameter alone and the size of the 601 airframe the 912S
>>
> is by
>
>>> far the better choice.
>>>
>>> Next question---------- what about the Continentals or Lycomings?
>>>
>>> tom
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
>>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Engine Choice - Rotax or Jabiru?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
>>>>
>>>> Apologies if this topic has been done to death before.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just about to start the build of an XL in the UK
>>>> and want to decide on the engine. Being the UK its much
>>>> easier to to get approval with a standard engine rather
>>>> than a conversion so I'm limited to the Rotax and
>>>> Jabiru.
>>>>
>>>> The pros and cons as I see them are:
>>>>
>>>> Rotax
>>>> Pro:
>>>> Overall cost
>>>> Fuel consumption
>>>> Cons:
>>>> Reliability?
>>>>
>>>> Jabiru
>>>> Pro:
>>>> Dedicated Aircraft engine
>>>> Ease of installation
>>>> Additional power
>>>> Con:
>>>> Difficult to prop to make use of power
>>>> Fuel consumption
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would really appreciate feedback from those who have
>>>> been there before including real world performance
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Anyone in the UK using a VP prop? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
The title says it. I have been following the thread on VP props and am
impresssed by the reported results. I would like to consider fitting one to
our CH601HDS but would like to talk to anyone in the UK who has done so and
has successfully negotiated the minefield that is the PFA mod approval
system. We have been trying to get a fuel vapour return line approved for 7
months now with no success yet.
Richard McLachlan
CH601/R22
landing site details at www.rodsley.net
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| Subject: | An idea I thought I might share |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
Another good reason to use the bung and not stick it in the tailpipe is it
needs to reference fresh air, so doesn't work well just stuffed in the
tailpipe. And the bung plugs are readily available. Good solution.
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
http://flyinprotege.com
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank offset for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Bob,
It is confusing. You should shoot for mechanical isolation so nothing rubs
against the aluminum tank and chaffs a hole in it or creates a spark but you
definitely want it electrically grounded to prevent static charge buildup.
My tank has a capacative fuel sensor and uses the tank for ground. It HAS
to be grounded.
Good luck
Ron
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel tank offset for 601
> Thanks, there's no mention of it in the manual, which in fact seems to
imply
> isolation.
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: fuel tank offset for 601
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
> >
> > I'd ground all tanks, always!
> >
> > GGP
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank offset for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel tank offset for 601
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
<drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
>
> Thanks, there's no mention of it in the manual, which in fact seems to
imply
> isolation.
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: fuel tank offset for 601
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
> >
> > I'd ground all tanks, always!
> >
> > GGP
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
Mike,
I started building my CH601XL mid May 2004 and was ready for the
airworthyness inspection Dec 9 2004. I didn't have it until April 9
because of an FAA paperwork glitch. I completed my 40 hour flight
testing last Friday and flew my first passenger last Saturday.
It took me 1077.5 hours to build 633Z.
I may be able to do it in 800 hours now.
I built 633Z in a 10' x 20' tent in my side yard.
I fit the wings in my front yard with no room to spare.
I cruise at 120 mph at 2600 rpm with a Jabiru 3300 (at about 5 gph).
It will go 140 mph at full throttle. I expect to pick up about 10
mph when I install the wheel pants. It climbs at ~1000 fpm @ 80 mph
with just me in it and at ~600 fpm at gross weight at sea level.
I have a wood prop 64x49. I took a friend up today, it was about 80
degrees F and I would not want a smaller engine.
The plane does steep turns like it was built for them.
It is an *excellent* kit. It went together smoothly for me.
I was a carpenter in an earlier life.....
I had a few rough spots but nothing major.
The instructions for the rudder are very complete.
The instructions for the wings were very helpful.
The instructions get sparser as you go. By the time you get to
the canopy they show you pictures of the finished product.
So I had to feel my way through. The canopy took me about 3 weeks
(about 1/8 of the total build time). Sometimes the sequence isn't
clear - for example I had to drill out the stringers to install the
seat belts. And if I riveted the seat bottoms when I thought the
instructions said to I would have had to take them out to do something
else. I had to think a bit when I installed the baggage floor and
riveted the longerons. I did it differently (as in sequence, that is)
than the instructions recommended.
I got the firewall forward kit from Zenith and the engine wasn't hard
to install. I don't particularly like the cables. But I stayed almost
stock so that I could get the plane flying. I do work on my own car
(a 1971 Volvo 144S).
Questions to Zenith usually got a stock response. Essentially you are
building the plane. I asked Roger - the guy at Zenith who gives the
demo rides and flies the demo to air shows - if there are any gotcha's
I should know about. He said everyone has their own. Zenith does respond
and gives advice but you have to figure it out. I like the Zenith outfit!
But I am the builder. And they don't tell you how to use tools.
That said I think that Zenith is very supportive of the home builder.
But they can't hold your hand. They have a good kit and the finished
product flies well. Roger does know lots about flying and his planes.
And he does share.
The matronics Zenith-List is a good place to browse.
It helped me to see what others went through.
Joe
N633Z @ BFI
44 hours
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Mike H wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
>
> Hi group. I am ne w to this list and trying to find answers about the
zodiac xl. Mainly s imple questions like the average buiding time,
realistic cruise ( wi th what engine?), what are pros and cons about the
construction / manual / company support / difficulty building... etc.
And, is there anyone th at lives near the Wichita, KS area that is in the
building process or fini shed. I would like to see one in person. My only
experience building is the Challenger II with fabric covering. Thanks!!
> Mike H
>
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| Subject: | eight days till Lock Haven |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:02:36 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Sentimental Journey at LHV runs June 16 through 19. So far four 601's will be
there weather permitting:
An HDS/912, HDS/0-200, HD/Franklin (4 cyl!), and HDS/3300. An HDS/Stratus might
be in attendance for a day.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank offset for 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
IMHO, the best way is to have a stainless wire running from a grounding post
(imbedded in the top of the tank) to the bottom of the tank (inside) to
bleed off any static in the fuel. The post of course should be connected to
the airframe at the nearest convenient point.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine offset |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
ZAC told me three degrees right thrust and between 0 and 1 degree down for
my Jabiru 2200, should be same for Rotax 912.
I used 1/2 down.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 engine offset
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
<dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>
> Has anyone measured the off set for the 912 on the 701?
> Both horizontal and vertical if any ?
>
> Thanks,
> Dirk.
>
>
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