---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/14/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:05 AM - flight (alex trent) 2. 07:11 AM - Re: flight (David Barth) 3. 07:57 AM - Re: Rivet pitch and edge distance (Scott Laughlin) 4. 09:40 AM - Re: flight (Larry McFarland) 5. 10:02 AM - zodiac instruction (Bob Miller) 6. 12:04 PM - Re: Has Anyone Financed a Zenith? (Gordon Duke) 7. 12:26 PM - Re: Rivet pitch and edge distance (DEGlass1@aol.com) 8. 01:08 PM - Re: Selling engine and parts (Cleone Markwell) 9. 02:03 PM - rivet spacing (Robert Schoenberger) 10. 02:48 PM - Re: Selling engine and parts (Johann) 11. 02:49 PM - Redesigned 701? (KSHOAPS) 12. 03:11 PM - Re: Rivet Pitch (ray.stlaurent@vsea.com) 13. 03:13 PM - strobe Access cover (Jack Russell) 14. 07:34 PM - Posting (Dave & Darlene) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:11 AM PST US From: "alex trent" Subject: Zenith-List: flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "alex trent" Well I finally got C-FZOF back in the air yesterday evening.. This is A CH601 that I purchased with 12 hrs in the log. Two years and a lot of work later I have made the first flight. Last night was very still although the vis was not the best. Found it extremely sensitive in pitch and rather lackadaisicle in roll however we did manage a circuit without any major incidents. I have done better landings and also worse, so all in all I guess it was a success. This is a taildragger that was involved in a ground loop wich resulted in damage to the left undercarraige. The fork and gear box had to be replaced. Also was rerigged with some slight toe out wich gives improved ground handling. alex ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:58 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Congratulations Alex. Well done! It is a great day when a damaged bird gets back into the air. David --- alex trent wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "alex trent" > > > Well I finally got C-FZOF back in the air > yesterday evening.. This is A CH601 that I > purchased with 12 hrs in the log. Two years and a > lot of work later I have made the first flight. Last > night was very still although the vis was not the > best. Found it extremely sensitive in pitch and > rather lackadaisicle in roll however we did manage a > circuit without any major incidents. I have done > better landings and also worse, so all in all I > guess it was a success. This is a taildragger that > was involved in a ground loop wich resulted in > damage to the left undercarraige. The fork and gear > box had to be replaced. Also was rerigged with some > slight toe out wich gives improved ground handling. > > alex > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:43 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet pitch and edge distance --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" "That is because as it is stretched out mine begins to form a curved line." Just a comment on the above statement.... You should never rely on the rivet fan to produce a straight line. It's only function is to provide the space between the rivets or "pitch." It's best to mark or establish your rivet location or "edge distance" at two locations (between two significant end holes), then connect with a straight line (for example along the edge). With a straight line in place, then use the fan to mark the pitch. If there is a slight curvature, just project the 'pitch" marks down or up to the straight line. In the case of long runs, usually the runs are divided up between significant end holes like wing ribs or fuselage stiffeners. I drill the end holes first, then make a line between them that is straight and at the correct edge distance. You end up with several shorter runs instead of one, long run of rivets. The results are aesthetically pleasing and close to ideal for edge spacing. Sometimes I find that an end hole (significant end hole) is a little farther or closer to the edge than I like (because it may have been drilled from the other side), so I make my next straight line so it slowly corrects for this between this hole and the next significant hole which hopefully is a little closer to ideal. If both ends need correction, I adjust the entire line, mark the pitch and drill. It's all a matter of personal preference, but for me, the rivet fan is one of the most valuable tools for saving time and improving quality. I'm building from plans-only, so I don't have "pre-drilled" holes to work with. I was introduced to the rivet fan at the ZAC rudder building school where I learned many good tricks. If anyone has specific questions on the rivet fan usage or other tips, I'd be happy to email you off-line. I'll also welcome your advice and tips if you want to email me. Happy Building, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:58 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Congratulations Alex, So pleased to hear you're flying. This has to be a great feeling and well worth the effort you've put into it all. Do fly Safe Best regards, Larry McFarland (near flight but not quite) Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex trent" Subject: Zenith-List: flight > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "alex trent" > > Well I finally got C-FZOF back in the air yesterday evening.. This is A CH601 that I purchased with 12 hrs in the log. Two years and a lot of work later I have made the first flight. Last night was very still although the vis was not the best. Found it extremely sensitive in pitch and rather lackadaisicle in roll however we did manage a circuit without any major incidents. I have done better landings and also worse, so all in all I guess it was a success. This is a taildragger that was involved in a ground loop wich resulted in damage to the left undercarraige. The fork and gear box had to be replaced. Also was rerigged with some slight toe out wich gives improved ground handling. > alex ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:33 AM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Zenith-List: zodiac instruction --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" Now that I'm at least close enough to begin fantasizing about first flight, does anyone know of any place in Canada where one can get formal instruction in a 601HD? Bob ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:23 PM PST US From: "Gordon Duke" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Has Anyone Financed a Zenith? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon Duke" Hi Phil: You did pay "interest" in the sense that you paid extra for the individual kits. There is currently a savings of $545 for the entire 701 kit. This is exactly like a financing fee. It is a hard finance problem to convert this fixed financing fee to an appropriate interest rate -- the longer you space out your purchases, the lower the apparent interest rate since the fee is fixed. However, if you buy the kits over a two year period, I will guess that this will be like a 5% loan. Not included in the above is the risk that the prices will go up. Aluminum has been increasing in cost and I am certain that Zenith is facing some cost pressure. I don't think they have raised the 701 price in two years; it may be time to expect an increase. == Gordon Duke St. Paul, MN USA 701 rudder and dreaming do not archive --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" I "financed" my kit by buying partial kits, and spacing them out. When I had the money, I bought a kit! Interest free! Phil ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:55 PM PST US From: DEGlass1@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet pitch and edge distance --> Zenith-List message posted by: DEGlass1@aol.com A tip for using the rivet fan: Rather than stretch out the fan to the point where the holes begin to trace a curve, mark every other hole in two colors. I marked the alternate holes of mine with red and blue markers. When planning my hole spacings that are larger than 20mm, I set the fan so that every other hole makes the desired distance, and mark through the correct color. For long runs, set them up in two or more equal segments. Using this method, I can drill the ends of the run on the rivet line, use a silver cleco to anchor the fan ends, drill and anchor a center hole, and just drill #40 right through the fan holes. They're holding up fine. The fan is one of the most useful tools on my hooks. David Glass XL fuse, controls, gear, with a partner building the wings and tail ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:09 PM PST US From: Cleone Markwell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Selling engine and parts --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell Where do you live? Has anything been removed from the engine? How would you suggest transporting it to East Central Illinois? I use the same engine in my Zodiac. At 09:16 PM 6/13/04, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Brough" > >I have been flying my zodiac 601 HDS now for about a year here in Arizona >and have found that my Rotax 912 80 Hp isn't powerful enough to easily >handle 115 degree heat nor the wind shears that are here. Therefore I'm >upgrading to a 912S and now have my 912UL with 92 hours on it for >sale. It's in excellent condition and I'm asking $8500. This includes >the ignition system, carbs, starter, and oil tank. I also have some other >items that I'm not using: Zenith factory cowling for the 601 >HDS $375, Zenith radiator, (the one that was to go under the >cowling) $85, and also have a GSC prop (from Zenith) 68inch with spinner >ground adjustable TT 36 hrs. $375. And a Avcomm AC-747 headset, new >still in box, $175 --Let me know if interested Dave > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:48 PM PST US From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Zenith-List: rivet spacing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" "That is because as it is stretched out mine begins to form a curved line." Scott . . . First lay out the centerline of the rivets (usually 10 mm in from the edge) and then use the rivet fan for spacing along that line which is straight. Robert Schoenberger 701 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:49 PM PST US From: "Johann" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Selling engine and parts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" Hello David, I am not sure if you got my mail or not. We have been having some trouble with the internet up here. I would like to buy the radiator you are selling. Is it the 995-697 radiator for the 912 engine that is recommended for my 701 under cowling? Best regards, Johann G. Iceland. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Brough Subject: Zenith-List: Selling engine and parts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Brough" I have been flying my zodiac 601 HDS now for about a year here in Arizona and have found that my Rotax 912 80 Hp isn't powerful enough to easily handle 115 degree heat nor the wind shears that are here. Therefore I'm upgrading to a 912S and now have my 912UL with 92 hours on it for sale. It's in excellent condition and I'm asking $8500. This includes the ignition system, carbs, starter, and oil tank. I also have some other items that I'm not using: Zenith factory cowling for the 601 HDS $375, Zenith radiator, (the one that was to go under the cowling) $85, and also have a GSC prop (from Zenith) 68inch with spinner ground adjustable TT 36 hrs. $375. And a Avcomm AC-747 headset, new still in box, $175 --Let me know if interested Dave ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:51 PM PST US From: "KSHOAPS" Subject: Zenith-List: Redesigned 701? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "KSHOAPS" There is a rumor that ZAC will be redesigning another plane besides the 601 XL that will have "maximum performance and capability possible under the new proposed FAA category". This is said to be announced as soon as the new Sport Pilot rules are finalized. I'm really anxious to start my 701 but would be greatly disappointed if a newer 1232 pound version is announced. Any ideas as to what the new one might be and any differences from the current 701? It would be nice if the empennage were the same and I could get started. Keith Wife 99% convinced; 100% to go. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rivet Pitch From: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com I too was concerned about uneven rivet pitch. I decided I needed fan but did not have one. But I was able to produce a variable spacing template for under 1 dollar. I have found it very useful and it handles curved surfaces easily too. I got some round, white, elastic cord from Wal Mart?s fabric section. After stretching the cord somewhat, I made Sharpie marks at 40 mm spacing. Typical usage: 1. Clamp the cord with a mark at one reference point. 2. With one hand, hold the appropriate mark at the other reference point (the mark that gives the spacing closest to but does not exceeding 40 mm). 3. With the free hand, tick all the intermediate marks. For the elevator skin, I could not get a clamping point. I finally realized that I could duct tape the cord so a mark was at the start of my meter stick. Then I could just lay down the stick with its start is at the first reference point. Ray Skinning my 701 tail ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:36 PM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Zenith-List: strobe Access cover --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell I am wonering if anybody placed an access cover (similar to the aileron belcrank cover) in the bottom wing tip to access the strobe power supply? Or are you all waiting for it to fail which you know it will. Jack ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:52 PM PST US From: "Dave & Darlene" Subject: Zenith-List: Posting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" Thought I might be off the list Please do not archive David Nimigon XL