---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/15/04: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:11 AM - Re: strobe Access cover (Bill Reed) 2. 05:56 AM - Re: Redesigned 701? (David Barth) 3. 06:49 AM - Re: strobe Access cover (Scott Laughlin) 4. 07:00 AM - Re: Rivet pitch (Bill Nichelson) 5. 07:28 AM - You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! (Russell Johnson) 6. 07:56 AM - You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! (Russell Johnson) 7. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Rivet pitch (Bob Miller) 8. 08:59 AM - 701 Fuselage Welding (Bima, Martin) 9. 11:01 AM - Re: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! (Arthur Nation) 10. 11:05 AM - VOICE MAIL (Arthur Nation) 11. 12:16 PM - Re: 701 Fuselage Welding (qcbccgalley) 12. 03:28 PM - Re: 701 Fuselage Welding (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 13. 05:14 PM - Re: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! (Joemotis@aol.com) 14. 05:46 PM - 601XL Plans on Ebay (Joseph Kerr) 15. 06:07 PM - Re: 701 Fuselage Welding (Larry McFarland) 16. 07:25 PM - Re: 701 Fuselage Welding (Larry Martin) 17. 07:28 PM - Selling engine and parts (David Brough) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:37 AM PST US From: Bill Reed Subject: Zenith-List: Re: strobe Access cover --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Reed Jack, I cut out two access covers, one in each wing tip for the strobe power supplies. Then I mounted the power supplies on the inside of the cover. If one fails all I have to do is remove the cover, it is attached to the wing skin with rivetnuts, and the supply comes out with the cover. This is on a CH250 with thicker skins. Cheers, Bill > > Time: 03:13:36 PM PST US > From: Jack Russell > Subject: Zenith-List: strobe Access cover > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell > > I am wonering if anybody placed an access cover (similar to the > aileron belcrank > cover) in the bottom wing tip to access the strobe power supply? > Or are you > all waiting for it to fail which you know it will. Jack > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:49 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Redesigned 701? --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Keith: When I was up in Midland for a flyinn I had a tour of Chris Heintz's hangars. This is where he does his design work, makes prototypes and I think he was still doing the the 2 place certified version of the CH 604 at that site. We saw on the bench what looked to be a cessna 150 wing. When we asked him if this was for the rumoured CH 150. All we got was one of Chris's patented sly grins. I would guess that he would be looking to make a more GA version of a 2-seat high wing - non STOL - as that is one area where he has nothing in the marketplace. Just a best guess. David KSHOAPS wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "KSHOAPS" There is a rumor that ZAC will be redesigning another plane besides the 601 XL that will have "maximum performance and capability possible under the new proposed FAA category". This is said to be announced as soon as the new Sport Pilot rules are finalized. I'm really anxious to start my 701 but would be greatly disappointed if a newer 1232 pound version is announced. Any ideas as to what the new one might be and any differences from the current 701? It would be nice if the empennage were the same and I could get started. Keith Wife 99% convinced; 100% to go. David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:27 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: strobe Access cover --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Jack: I put one on my wing tip. Take a look at it here: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/4_19_04_WingTip.JPG Is this what you were asking about? Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jack Russell I am wonering if anybody placed an access cover (similar to the aileron belcrank cover) in the bottom wing tip to access the strobe power supply? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:09 AM PST US From: Bill Nichelson Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rivet pitch --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Nichelson "That is because as it is stretched out mine begins to form a curved line." I don't contribute to the list much anymore, too busy flying whenever I get a chance. But I do follow the list and decided to throw out a suggestion someone gave me years ago about rivet spacing. The "fans" that have been discussed can be a useful tool, but I found it to be more trouble than it is worth. (I borrowed one, so I was not out the expense). A far better solution for me was a $1.00 piece of elastic your wife probably has in her sewing desk. Take a piece 3-4" long by 3/8" or 1/2" wide and stretch it out so it is under some tension. Then carefully mark a 20-25mm rivet pitch with a Sharpe marker. If you need a 35mm spacing, just stretch it until you get that spacing over the required length. If you do this holding the elastic about one rivet on either end or the line you are trying to make, you can get an even spacing over the distance. It works great, makes a very straight line, spaces the rivets very evenly and best of all, it is cheep. There is also no danger of scratching the surface of the aluminum. Give it a try. Bill Nichelson Bellefontaine, Ohio USA Zodiac 601HDS - Casual Passion S/N 6-3556 - N132BN Jabiru 3300 / Prince P-Tip Prop ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:07 AM PST US From: Russell Johnson Subject: Zenith-List: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Russell Johnson Dear Customer! You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage from voicemessage.com website! You can listen your Virtual VoiceMessage at the following link: http://virt.voicemessage.com/index.listen.php2=35affv or by clicking the attached link. Send VoiceMessage! Try our new virtual VoiceMessage Empire! Best regards: SNAF.Team (R). ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:51 AM PST US From: Russell Johnson Subject: Zenith-List: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Russell Johnson Dear Customer! You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage from voicemessage.com website! You can listen your Virtual VoiceMessage at the following link: http://virt.voicemessage.com/index.listen.php2=35affv or by clicking the attached link. Send VoiceMessage! Try our new virtual VoiceMessage Empire! Best regards: SNAF.Team (R). ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:08 AM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Rivet pitch --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" Bill, I gotta say this is one of the most clever and effective solutions to a problem I've ever heard! Got any more like this? Good air to ya, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Nichelson" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rivet pitch > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Nichelson > > "That is because as it is stretched out mine begins to form a curved line." > > I don't contribute to the list much anymore, too busy flying whenever I get a chance. But I do follow the list and decided to throw out a suggestion someone gave me years ago about rivet spacing. The "fans" that have been discussed can be a useful tool, but I found it to be more trouble than it is worth. (I borrowed one, so I was not out the expense). A far better solution for me was a $1.00 piece of elastic your wife probably has in her sewing desk. Take a piece 3-4" long by 3/8" or 1/2" wide and stretch it out so it is under some tension. Then carefully mark a 20-25mm rivet pitch with a Sharpe marker. If you need a 35mm spacing, just stretch it until you get that spacing over the required length. If you do this holding the elastic about one rivet on either end or the line you are trying to make, you can get an even spacing over the distance. It works great, makes a very straight line, spaces the rivets very evenly and best of all, it is cheep. There is also no danger of sc! > ratching the surface of the aluminum. Give it a try. > > Bill Nichelson > Bellefontaine, Ohio USA > Zodiac 601HDS - Casual Passion > S/N 6-3556 - N132BN > Jabiru 3300 / Prince P-Tip Prop > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Fuselage Welding From: "Bima, Martin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" A questions for all you gas welders out there... Can I use MIG welding wire (copper coated I think???) for gas welding the 4130 parts? The wire is .035 dia AWS certified ER70 S-6 Thanks, Martin Bima Winnipeg, Canada STOL-Vair www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:33 AM PST US From: Arthur Nation Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Arthur Nation On Wednesday 31 December 1969 16:00, Russell Johnson wrote: I DON't appreciate 4 MESSAGES FROM YOU REGARDING YOUR G--d DA-MN VOICE MAIL. GET OFF MY EMAIL SITE!!! > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Russell Johnson > > Dear Customer! > > You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage from voicemessage.com website! > You can listen your Virtual VoiceMessage at the following link: > http://virt.voicemessage.com/index.listen.php2=35affv > or by clicking the attached link. > > Send VoiceMessage! Try our new virtual VoiceMessage Empire! > Best regards: SNAF.Team (R). > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:26 AM PST US From: Arthur Nation Subject: Zenith-List: VOICE MAIL --> Zenith-List message posted by: Arthur Nation I apologize to the list for the previous message sent to the wrong person. I received 4 messages to use this voice mail service. Arthur ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:34 PM PST US From: "qcbccgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Fuselage Welding --> Zenith-List message posted by: "qcbccgalley" It is better to use gas rod as it flows much better at a lower temperature. Electric rod is not as easy to use. Takes higher temps to melt completely. At least that is what my world class welder who works for me at Oshkosh says. Cy Galley - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bima, Martin" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Fuselage Welding > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" > > > A questions for all you gas welders out there... > > Can I use MIG welding wire (copper coated I think???) for gas welding > the 4130 parts? > > The wire is .035 dia AWS certified ER70 S-6 > > > Thanks, > > > Martin Bima > Winnipeg, Canada > STOL-Vair > www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:49 PM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 Fuselage Welding --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Thanks Cy, So is there a specific rod that one should use for 4130?...Would the "welding shop" be able to tell us? Frank 601 stratus with Ram heads, 325 hours -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of qcbccgalley Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Fuselage Welding --> Zenith-List message posted by: "qcbccgalley" It is better to use gas rod as it flows much better at a lower temperature. Electric rod is not as easy to use. Takes higher temps to melt completely. At least that is what my world class welder who works for me at Oshkosh says. Cy Galley - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bima, Martin" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Fuselage Welding > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" > > > A questions for all you gas welders out there... > > Can I use MIG welding wire (copper coated I think???) for gas welding > the 4130 parts? > > The wire is .035 dia AWS certified ER70 S-6 > > > Thanks, > > > Martin Bima > Winnipeg, Canada > STOL-Vair > www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:23 PM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com Ditto, voice mail dweeb!!! Joe Motis Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:17 PM PST US From: "Joseph Kerr" Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Plans on Ebay --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joseph Kerr" I am going to try my hand a butchering composites next, so, for sale on Ebay Zenith Zodiac 601XL plans. Item number #2482221898. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:15 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Fuselage Welding --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > So is there a specific rod that one should use for 4130?...Would the > "welding shop" be able to tell us? > > Frank In the gas welding process, a low alloy mild steel rod, typically 1/16" welding rod is a better choice, because it works with the flame required by the base metal, acquires the higher alloy in mixing with the 4130 and provides a means of putting material into the joint that will, or should be approximately 1-1/4 times the thickness of the tubing being welded. In welding using mild with 4130, the weld material becomes slightly stronger, the 4130 becomes slightly weaker at the joint, explaining the need for added thickness. (I'd guess that the .035 weld wire would burn and loose its ability to provide the strength of a wire that has more melt/mass.) From the Linde Oxyacetylene Handbook, Chapter 22, Aircraft welding. One of my Bibles for 30 years Larry McFarland - 601HDS > 601 stratus with Ram heads, 325 hours > > It is better to use gas rod as it flows much better at a lower temperature. > Electric rod is not as easy to use. Takes higher temps to melt completely. > At least that is what my world class welder who works for me at Oshkosh > says. > > Cy Galley - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair > Safety Programs Editor - TC > EAA Sport Pilot ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:51 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Fuselage Welding --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Bima, I guess I've been doing it wrong for a lot of years, but I use my mig welder for 4130 and have never had a problem. Or at least I don't know of any. I lied, I have screwed up a few times, but it was me, not the process. I used to gas weld until a friend convinced me to buy a mig welder. I use .030 or .035 mild steel wire at a low amp setting and slow feed with O2/argon mix. Flow or fill isn't a problem. My welds are a thick or thin as I want them. I actually think it's easier than gas welding once you get the hang of it. It takes practice. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bima, Martin To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Fuselage Welding --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" A questions for all you gas welders out there... Can I use MIG welding wire (copper coated I think???) for gas welding the 4130 parts? The wire is .035 dia AWS certified ER70 S-6 Thanks, Martin Bima Winnipeg, Canada STOL-Vair www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima --- Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 6/12/2004 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:03 PM PST US From: "David Brough" Subject: Zenith-List: Selling engine and parts Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:27:53 -0700 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Brough" Cleone, in response to your posting, I live in Phoenix AZ. If you were to purchase the engine, I would crate up the engine and send it to you by freight trucking (Yellow Freight I have found to be the best) and you would pick up the engine there in Ill. freight COD. I started last week taking the engine off my plane. It will be sold with the carbs, ignition system, starter motor and the oil tank. I will keep the exhaust system. The engine has never been involved in a accident and run perfectly. If you have other questions, let me know Dave