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1. 06:11 AM - Introductions, Thank you, and Web site Complement (zenithlist)
2. 06:30 AM - Re: Introductions, Thank you, and Web site Complement (Larry McFarland)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: Rotax 912 UL (Larry McFarland)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: Working with steel (Scott Laughlin)
5. 07:09 AM - Backup Stratus Ignition (Andrew SanClemente)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 06/21/04 (Moser Construction)
7. 07:48 AM - Instrument Panel lip (Larry Martin)
8. 08:06 AM - Re: Another Zodiac in the Air (royt.or@netzero.com)
9. 08:15 AM - Re: Another 633Z tale, or glad that I had that CO monitor. (royt.or@netzero.com)
10. 08:36 AM - Re: Rotax 912 UL ()
11. 08:40 AM - Re: Instrument Panel lip (Tom Faulkner)
12. 08:51 AM - Re: Instrument Panel lip (Kevin W Bonds)
13. 09:02 AM - Re: Rotax 912 UL (Leo J. Corbalis)
14. 09:57 AM - Re: Working with steel (Carlos Sa)
15. 12:01 PM - Re: Backup Stratus Ignition (Bryan Martin)
16. 01:11 PM - Engine testing, Stratus Subaru (Bryan Martin)
17. 01:48 PM - Re: Instrument Panel lip (Chuck Deiterich)
18. 05:37 PM - N701TD (the taildragger) Flies! (Mike Sinclair)
19. 05:54 PM - Re: N701TD (the taildragger) Flies! (Michel Therrien)
20. 06:04 PM - Re: Instrument Panel lip (Hal Rozema)
21. 06:08 PM - Re: N701TD (the taildragger) Flies! (Larry McFarland)
22. 06:23 PM - Re: Instrument Panel lip (Frank Jones)
23. 07:30 PM - First-time Zodiac 601 builder questions? (Trevor Page)
24. 07:36 PM - Re: Instrument Panel lip (Clyde D. Ehlers)
25. 08:09 PM - Re: First-time Zodiac 601 builder questions? (Cdngoose)
26. 08:14 PM - Re: N701TD (the taildragger) Flies! (Benford2@aol.com)
27. 09:34 PM - Re: Introductions, Thank you, and Web site Complement (Mike H)
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| Subject: | Introductions, Thank you, and Web site Complement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "zenithlist" <zenithlist@randomminds.com>
Ok, I guess I've been lurking for long enough, time to introduce my self.
My name is Greg Lamoree and I've been lurking on this site for the last several
months.
I'm building a 601 XL, completed the rudder and took delivery of the 900lb killer
box a couple of weeks ago. I've now started on the horizontal stabalizer.
I want to thank everyone on the list for their help so far (even though you didn't
know you were helping). By reading this forum I've been able to learn alot!
Recent conversations about rivet edge distance and a conversation a while back
about the Dual vs Y stick, were of particular interest and help.
I also wanted to complement Gig on a very nice web site.
I hope that in the future I can be of help as much as everyone here has helped
me so far.
Thanks again!
--------------------------
Greg Lamoree
Zodiac 601 XL
www.GregsPlane.com
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions, Thank you, and Web site Complement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> My name is Greg Lamoree and I've been lurking on this site for the last
several months.
> I hope that in the future I can be of help as much as everyone here has
helped me so far.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> --------------------------
> Greg Lamoree
> Zodiac 601 XL
> www.GregsPlane.com
> --------------------------
Welcome Greg,
Hope to hear from you as you progress. This group has a good history
in answering both my "duh" questions to the most difficult. Nothing is
obvious
to the person asking, so look over the archives and don't be reluctant to
ask.
Good luck,
Larry C. McFarland - 601HDS @ www.macsmachine.com
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 UL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Cleone,
What is the module you refer to?
Larry McFarland
I found that it would not run on one of the modules. It had 257
> trouble free hours before I started the inspection. It is an experience
> just removing the modules. I sent them to Sebring for a check out. Also
> they are EXPENSIVE! . Has anyone had this happen before?
> Cleone
> In Casey, Illinois
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| Subject: | Working with steel |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Hi Carlos:
Last summer I built an 8' sheet brake. I had to cut some 1/2" thick x 6"
wide steel. I managed to make one cut with a 12" metal cutting blade on my
miter saw, but it was a long process. I took the rest of the parts to a fab
shop where they promptly cut through it with their large band saw. You
should do this. Bring it somewhere and have them cut it and give them a
tip. If you go at lunch, maybe the guys in the shop will do it for you for
a few dollars or for some lunch.
Intricate cuts will have to be torch cut, plasma cut, milled or some other
method. I would also farm this out if you don't have a torch or a band saw.
Anything over about 1/8" in steel becomes a real problem. I have a band saw
that will do thin steel. For rough cuts, I also have a sawzall (a large,
reciprocating saw) that will cut through thicker material, but it isn't
pretty. I won't use the miter saw again because it is hard on it.
Good luck with your project.
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
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From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Is there a specific type of blade I could use?
Any suggestions, ideas, tips?
Thanks in advance
Carlos
Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN Family Travel
Guide! http://dollar.msn.com
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| Subject: | Backup Stratus Ignition |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <duck@townisp.com>
Yes,
Im still fighting with this so I have more questions for the group.
Unfortunately Im still not getting any spark from my backup ignition
even though I just received and tried a new magnetic pickup from
stratus. I know my coils are good and I know I have power going to
the Ignition box. I want to double-check that I have this wired
properly.
Ignition Box Red to Coil Positive - Coil Positive to 12V+
Ignition Box Black to Coil Negative
Pickup plugged into Box, only goes one way.
Is there anything wrong with this? Ive tested the backup ignition
with both coils with no luck (Ive run the engine off both coils using
the distributor so I know they are both good). This is my final
"engine problem" before I can move on, thanks to all and I apologize
for the steady stream of ignition related questions.
Thanks
Andy
601HDS Stratus
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Subject: Zenith-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 06/21/04
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> 1. 04:48 AM - Solid Rivets (Chris Weber)
> 2. 06:09 AM - 601XL Fuselage Riveting ()
> 3. 06:40 AM - Re: Another Zodiac in the Air (Larry McFarland)
> 4. 06:47 AM - Re: 601XL Fuselage Riveting (Larry McFarland)
> 5. 07:01 AM - Landing Gear Axels - Drilling ()
> 6. 08:37 AM - Re: Another Zodiac in the Air ()
> 7. 10:25 AM - Re: Another Zodiac in the Air (Beckman, Rick)
> 8. 01:14 PM - 601 XL project for sale (james dankovich)
> 9. 02:44 PM - Re: Landing Gear Axels - Drilling (Jack Russell)
> 10. 04:06 PM - Larry Martin with another 701 innovation! (Jon Croke)
> 11. 08:31 PM - Rotax 912 UL (Cleone Markwell)
> 12. 09:22 PM - Re: Landing Gear Axels - Drilling (Brett)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> Time: 04:48:14 AM PST US
> From: "Chris Weber" <chrisoz@gmx.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Solid Rivets
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Weber" <chrisoz@gmx.net>
>
> Hello Carlos,
>
> Larry is right, setting the solid rivets with a hammer is very
> straightforward and realy easy. I just did the main spar and both wing
spars
> for my HD today, and it took me about 4 hours of diligent and carefull
work.
> If you do it carefully and rivet by rivet, it is no problem at all. Try it
> out on some scrap bits first, but use the same thickness extrusion, and
the
> same length of rivet as for the spar.
> You will have riveted your spar long before you have built your squeezer!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris from Oz
>
>
> > I'm putting together a tool to squeeze the solid rivets on the 601HD
wing
> spar.
> >
> > Over the many months of building the 601 from plans I have acquired the
> skills
> > to work with
> > aluminium, but I haven't worked with steel before.
> >
> > Any suggestions, ideas, tips?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Carlos
> > CH601HD
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
> Time: 06:09:46 AM PST US
> From: <tgrazian@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuselage Riveting
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <tgrazian@bellsouth.net>
>
> Gig,
> I had the same concern and asked Zenith. Below is my question and the
reply from
> Mr Nick Heintz. I did rivet this structure and now have moved it from the
> work bench to saw horses. Beware the two front vertical L angles. They
may have
> to be trimmed for the baggage floor. I might have to remove some rivets
later,
> but have not seen anything in forward looking that appears to have a major
> impact.
>
> Tony Graziano: Working on fuselage- Wings, flaps, ailerons, tail feathers
complete.
> 60lXL with aux tanks, strobes, baggage lockers, sticks and 600x6 tires.
>
> 2.It appears from the assembly guides that the entire fuselage is
> drilled and clecoed except for the rear bottom skin and longerons,
> which are called for to be riveted. I cannot find mention in the
> guides of riveting the rest of the fuselage.
>
> Question: Do you have any recommendations as to riveting the fuselage
> structural members or do you recommend waiting until finishing
> everything from tail to firewall before taking the structure apart for
> deburring and priming before riveting. It would appear to be safe to
> take apart the rear fuselage (through 6-B-4) and riveting the that
> structure-but, I am not sure.
>
> I am afraid I going to run out of clecoes.
>
> (Reply from Mr. Heintz)
> It is ok to rivet the rear fuselage as shown on page 3 of 4 section 6-B-4
of the
> photo assembly guide.
>
> Time: 10:50:40 AM PST US
> From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuselage Riveting
>
>
> I'm on 6B-10, the mating the forward Fuse floor sections and, with the
> exception of riveting the bottom rear fuselage and the firewall, I have
yet to
> see any instructions to rivet any of the parts of the rear fuselage
together.
>
> Im going to runout Clecos before to long.
>
> For photos of where I am visit my web build site at
> www.peoamerica.net/N601WR.
>
> Gig
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
> Time: 06:40:58 AM PST US
> From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Another Zodiac in the Air
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "j.breit" <j.breit@comcast.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Another Zodiac in the Air
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "j.breit" <j.breit@comcast.net>
> >
> > Maiden flight of CH601HDS yesterday about 6 AM at Paine Field in
Everett,
> WA (N826JB). Started building in May of 1999. Stratus Subaru engine. Also
> flew today. Amazed at the climb rate of this airplane/engine.
> >
>
> Congratulations Mr Breit.
>
> Very pleased to hear of your success.
>
> You'll have to fill us in on the aircraft's performance when you can.
>
> Fly Safe!
>
> Larry McFarland
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
> Time: 06:47:06 AM PST US
> From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuselage Riveting
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>
> >
> > I am afraid I going to run out of clecoes.
> >
> > Im going to runout Clecos before to long.
> >
> > For photos of where I am visit my web build site at
> > www.peoamerica.net/N601WR.
> >
> > Gig
> >
>
> GIG,
> Spread your clecos out to cross points, end points and mid-points and
you'll
> find they will still support
> twice the area you have on that plane.
>
> Nice site, by the way.
>
> Larry McFarland
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 07:01:26 AM PST US
> From: <tgrazian@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Landing Gear Axels - Drilling
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <tgrazian@bellsouth.net>
>
> To pick up the landing gear axel bolt pattern and drill straight holes in
the 3/4"
> thick spring gear of the XL, my thoughts are to drill the hole pattern in
> a piece of thick steel plate to use as a drill guide. Since I also am
installing
> 600x6 tires/wheels all around, the nose gear fork is from a 80l which is
also
> pretty thick material, I will probably also make a drill guide to drill
holes
> in the nose gear leg flange and the fork.
> Has any one used this method or a better/same easier method? My concern
is that
> since the spring gear and nose fork is so thick, any hole angle from
normal
> would result in a pretty good bending moment at the attach bolt heads.
>
> Tony Graziano 601XL Ser 5342
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
> Time: 08:37:30 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Another Zodiac in the Air
> From: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
>
> Congratulations!
> Do not archive
>
> GGP
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 10:25:19 AM PST US
> From: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Another Zodiac in the Air
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
>
> Another Zodiac in the Air
>
>
> Maiden flight of CH601HDS yesterday about 6 AM at Paine Field in Everett,
WA
> (N826JB). Started building in May of 1999. Stratus Subaru engine. Also
flew
> today. Amazed at the climb rate of this airplane/engine.
>
>
> HEEEEEY!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Always good to
> hear of another bird
> leaving the nest!!
>
> Rick Beckman XL
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
>
> Time: 01:14:08 PM PST US
> From: james dankovich <jdankochiro@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL project for sale
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: james dankovich <jdankochiro@yahoo.com>
>
> With deep regret, I realize there is no way I have the time to finish my
80% complete
> 601 XL with Corvair engine ready ( almost ) for assembly with nearly all
> WW parts... please contact me offline if you are interested...$18,500
firm...
> love and used the matronics pages!!!
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
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>
> Time: 02:44:40 PM PST US
> From: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing Gear Axels - Drilling
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Tony: I was all concerned with drilling the holes straight until I made a
guide
> out of a peice of wood with some steel bushings. I drilled the holes
straight.
> see page 3 of the link below. Jack
> http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn3.html
>
> tgrazian@bellsouth.net wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
> To pick up the landing gear axel bolt pattern and drill straight holes in
the 3/4"
> thick spring gear of the XL, my thoughts are to drill the hole pattern in
> a piece of thick steel plate to use as a drill guide.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
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>
>
> Time: 04:06:58 PM PST US
> From: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Larry Martin with another 701 innovation!
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
> Larry Martin's Sub 701 has a cowl design that is rather interesting.....!
>
> You know where: www.CH701.com and click on the front picture for more
of
> his work.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jon
>
> N701US starting to look like a plane again!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
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>
>
> Time: 08:31:33 PM PST US
> From: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax 912 UL
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
>
> Dear Listers,
> My CH601 HD went through an extensive Inspection of Condition and
> then I found that it would not run on one of the modules. It had 257
> trouble free hours before I started the inspection. It is an experience
> just removing the modules. I sent them to Sebring for a check out. Also
> they are EXPENSIVE! I have never heard of anyone having trouble with one
> before. Being retired and not wealthy this is quite a set-back here. I
> have been fortunate to get this far, but now time is fleeting by and no
> flying. Hopefully, only one will be bad. Has anyone had this happen
before?
> Cleone
> In Casey, Illinois
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
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>
> Time: 09:22:33 PM PST US
> From: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing Gear Axels - Drilling
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> I just got a 9" long drill bit clamped the axel on to the gear leg and
> drilled it. Drill one hole put in a bolt then another and so on. It
> will work fine.
>
> Brett
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel lip |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Can someone tell me where it find the edging for the lip/sunguard over the instrument
panel? Don't think it makes a difference, but it is for a 701. I believe
it's like a door edging for a car, but I want something bigger. Thanks, Larry
N1345L
See Ya, Larry Martin
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| Subject: | RE: Another Zodiac in the Air |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" <royt.or@netzero.com>
Joe,
Congratulation on your first flight of N826JB. Keep us informed as you complete
your testing.
Regards,
Roy
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| Subject: | Re: Another 633Z tale, or glad that I had that CO monitor. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" <royt.or@netzero.com>
Joe - Glad you were able to land saftely then make it home.
Another CO monitor to consider is the CO Experts Model 2004 from AeroMedix.com. See http://www.aeromedix.com/index.php?_siteid=aeromedix&action=sku&sku=coex&_sessid=a1646f3199a5a7969d2a16bdeda1d7de This url has additional links with more information about CO detectors.
( I have one of these in N601RT. It is VERY sensitive. My hangar typically has
~10ppm. I wish it was smaller. I'm not affiliated with the company, etc....)
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 230hrs,
320 landings
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
Yeah; I replaced one but still have a mag drop of 300 rpm when I do the mag inspection.
I've replaced all the automotive style connectors in the ground wires
but have not been able to find why I have the mag drop. In desperation, just
before I flew from Corona CA to OSH, I took off and learned I could still climb
on the bad side. I've been flying ever since! Someday, maybe I'll let a
trained Rotax guy figure it out. 601 HDS 640 hours.
GGP
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel lip |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
You can get it from Zenith.
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel lip |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
Larry
I don't know if this would interest you but. . .Tony bingelis has an
iteresting description in his book "Sport Plane Construction Techniques" of
how to make that instrument panel "lip'" or glareshield. He uses a piece of
PVC pipe cut and split and covered with thin foam and vynil (working from
memory here). Thought it might give you an idea.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville Tn
Zenithair Zodiac 601XL plansbuilder; rudder complete;
almost done with forming blocks;
making parts for elevator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel lip
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
>
> Can someone tell me where it find the edging for the lip/sunguard over the
instrument panel? Don't think it makes a difference, but it is for a 701.
I believe it's like a door edging for a car, but I want something bigger.
Thanks, Larry N1345L
>
>
> See Ya, Larry Martin
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 UL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>I hope you tested the modules by switching the power leads. I found the
stranded wire broke, giving a very intermittent failure at first. As more
strands broke it got worse. The break was in the lead from the alternator
right at the connector. If you swapped modules and the malfunction did'nt
move, then its either a coil or a sensor. I bought a second hand module from
California Power Systems for about half price and then found the trouble in
the trigger coil assembly.
Happy Hunting
Leo Corbalis
Dear Listers,
> My CH601 HD went through an extensive Inspection of Condition and
> then I found that it would not run on one of the modules. It had 257
> trouble free hours before I started the inspection. It is an experience
> just removing the modules. I sent them to Sebring for a check out. Also
> they are EXPENSIVE! I have never heard of anyone having trouble with one
> before. Being retired and not wealthy this is quite a set-back here. I
> have been fortunate to get this far, but now time is fleeting by and no
> flying. Hopefully, only one will be bad. Has anyone had this happen
before?
> Cleone
> In Casey, Illinois
>
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| Subject: | Working with steel |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, Scott
The more I read your (and others) note, the more I realize I underestimated this
little project.
I did cut 1/8" steel to make fluting pliers, and that wasn't too bad.
However, one quarter inch is another story altogether.
I guess I'll just pratice a little more with the sledge hammer before tackling
the spar.
Best regards, and thanks for the input
Carlos
--- Scott Laughlin <cookwithgas@hotmail.com> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted
by: "Scott
Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Carlos:
>
> Last summer I built an 8' sheet brake. I had to cut some 1/2" thick x 6"
> wide steel. I managed to make one cut with a 12" metal cutting blade on my
> miter saw, but it was a long process. I took the rest of the parts to a fab
> shop where they promptly cut through it with their large band saw. You
> should do this. Bring it somewhere and have them cut it and give them a
> tip. If you go at lunch, maybe the guys in the shop will do it for you for
> a few dollars or for some lunch.
>
> Intricate cuts will have to be torch cut, plasma cut, milled or some other
> method. I would also farm this out if you don't have a torch or a band saw.
>
> Anything over about 1/8" in steel becomes a real problem. I have a band saw
> that will do thin steel. For rough cuts, I also have a sawzall (a large,
> reciprocating saw) that will cut through thicker material, but it isn't
> pretty. I won't use the miter saw again because it is hard on it.
>
> Good luck with your project.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Is there a specific type of blade I could use?
>
> Any suggestions, ideas, tips?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carlos
>
> Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN Family Travel
> Guide! http://dollar.msn.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Backup Stratus Ignition |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 6/22/04 10:06 AM, Andrew SanClemente at duck@townisp.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <duck@townisp.com>
>
>
> Ignition Box Red to Coil Positive - Coil Positive to 12V+
> Ignition Box Black to Coil Negative
>
> Pickup plugged into Box, only goes one way.
>
> Thanks
> Andy
> 601HDS Stratus
>
That's the way mine is wired and it works.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Getting the paperwork in order.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Engine testing, Stratus Subaru |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I took a couple of weeks off recently to finish the construction of my
601XL. I=B9ve got it all assembled now and just about ready for inspection.
When I started testing the engine, I discovered that the primary ignition
system wouldn=B9t work. I isolated the problem to the units inside the
distributor, this is the Nippon Denso pickup and control module. I had a
heck of a time finding a replacement, the most of the auto parts stores said
they couldn=B9t get it any more. I checked the local junkyards with no luck. I
started searching on-line and finally found two part numbers by referencing
a 1982 Subaru 1800 standard engine =B3module and pick-up=B2 or =B3pick-up/stator=B2
(searching for an =B3ignition control module=B2 failed to find the right part).
The parts listed were Borg/Warner ME579 and Beck/Arnley 100258. The picture
of the Borg/Warner part looked exactly like the unit from my engine but I
found out that it was no longer available. There was no picture of the
Beck/Arnley unit but I ordered one and it worked. If anybody is interested,
I found these parts at partsamerica.com (Action Auto) and autoparts.com.
I have the Warp drive 73=B2 three blade prop. Mykal recommended 17 1/2 degrees
of pitch and 5000 RPM on take-off. With 17 degrees, I could only get 4500
RPM static. When I re-pitch the prop for 15 degrees I could still only get
4600 static. Re-reading Mykal=B9s message I realize he didn=B9t say static RPM
but said 5000 on take-off. For those using the Subaru with this prop, does
4500 to 4600 static RPM sound right or should I have 5000 static?
I=B9m also wondering how heavy your airplanes were with this engine. Zenith
claims an empty weight under 700 pounds with the Jabiru or Rotax with
minimal panel. My preliminary weight was around 820. I expected it to be on
the heavy side with the heavier engine, full panel and interior, but I was
surprised at the numbers I=B9m getting.
I=B9m getting very close to launching this sucker, just have a bunch of
paperwork to finish and a little more testing.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Getting the paperwork in order.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel lip |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
I used a peice of split fuel line.
Stays in place without gluing.
Chuck D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel lip
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
>
> Can someone tell me where it find the edging for the lip/sunguard over the
instrument panel? Don't think it makes a difference, but it is for a 701.
I believe it's like a door edging for a car, but I want something bigger.
Thanks, Larry N1345L
>
>
> See Ya, Larry Martin
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | N701TD (the taildragger) Flies! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
First flights today. About a dozen landings on two different grass strips, one
paved runway, and then my own little short narrow grass strip. The only really
wild off runway excursion was off the paved strip, and it wasn't too bad. Lots
of room between the two lights this time. Gotta get used to this rudder, doesn't
quite have the effectiveness at the real low speeds of a 701 full flare 3 point
touchdown. Will definitely have to learn to stay ahead of it, and not sure what
the cross wind limits are, but probably not much. The ones I had today were
probably about 5-6 kts. Most runways I will be able to land into the wind
anyway, as short as this thing stops. Quite a bit different from the Super
Decathalon I've been flying for the past week. Finesse will come. Had the doors
off so top speed in level flight only got to around 80. Will check against the
gps on one of the next flights though. Start the flare about 40 and it sits down
nice and soft. Will play with slips again when I put the doors back on. Like
sitting in a wind tunnel with em off. Just too darn hot to sit in that green
house today. Only 38.3 hours to go before I can break my 25 mile limit. Lookout
Oshkosh, here I come!
Mike Sinclair N701TD
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: N701TD (the taildragger) Flies! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Wow, this is great! Congragulation!
Michel who is gettting pretty close.
--- Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair
> <mike.sinclair@att.net>
>
> First flights today. About a dozen landings on two
> different grass strips, one
> paved runway, and then my own little short narrow
> grass strip. The only really
=====
----------------------------
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http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel lip |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
hose or tubing slit and glued
Larry Martin wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
>
>Can someone tell me where it find the edging for the lip/sunguard over the instrument
panel? Don't think it makes a difference, but it is for a 701. I believe
it's like a door edging for a car, but I want something bigger. Thanks,
Larry N1345L
>
>
>See Ya, Larry Martin
>
>
>---
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N701TD (the taildragger) Flies! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: N701TD (the taildragger) Flies!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
>
> First flights today. About a dozen landings on two different grass strips,
one
> paved runway, and then my own little short narrow grass strip. Only 38.3
hours to go before I can break my 25 mile limit. Lookout
> Oshkosh, here I come!
>
> Mike Sinclair N701TD
>
> Do Not Archive
Congratulatons Mike! The experience of flying your own construction
is a real hoot! Pleased to see so many birds leaving the nest.
Do Fly safe!
Larry McFarland - 601HDS beginning taxi runs
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel lip |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
I like the Tony Bingelis design. It was easy to make. Rubber tubing
(3/4" or so as I recall), some foam, some aluminum, and some cover
material. It will help save your head if you ever hit the panel hard.
Frank Jones
C-GYXQ
>
> Can someone tell me where it find the edging for the lip/sunguard over
the
instrument panel? Don't think it makes a difference, but it is for a
701.
I believe it's like a door edging for a car, but I want something
bigger.
Thanks, Larry N1345L
>
>
> See Ya, Larry Martin
>
>
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| Subject: | First-time Zodiac 601 builder questions? |
pts rule name description
---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Hi folks, I just took delivery of a 601 project that the previous owner
decided to not finish (his loss, my gain!)
Anyhow, a few things I wanted to ask the list:
1. The kit doesn't have any seat belts. I was thinking of going to an
auto wreckers and picking up something out of a small car to use. My
questions is, has anyone else done this? The baggage compartment floor
is complete but clecoed and I thought now is the time to cut a slot in
the floor to pass the ratchet anchor through it and bolt it to the
fuselage bulkhead. Any thoughts on this? Advisable? While on the
subject of wreckers, correct me if I'm wrong but it looks as if the
forward opening canopy of the XL (I need to build a canopy for mine)
latch looks suspiciously like a car door catch. If this is the case
might as well pick that up too?
2. For some reason the the small bolts around the main landing gear on
either side don't have the nuts put on. How difficult is it to remove
the plate to install those? Do I have to drop the landing gear out to
do this? The bungies are huge and in the way big time.
3. Has anyone made an engine mount for the 912 from scratch using the
drawings? I have a couple of friends who are master welders and I was
thinking of getting them to make it up.
4. One wing does not have the leading edge skin installed yet. Perfect
time to install a landing light. Any drawings out there for making a
bracket?
I'll have more questions soon but these I saw right away and wanted to
fix them before I really start going.
Trevor Page
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel lip |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde D. Ehlers" <clydes-shop@bizdialup.com>
Hi: Lesters
I am using 1:1/2 Pipe Rape it is black and is splice on one
side to let it be installed and other sizes if needed to suit
it is soled except for the size of Pipe it covers.
Clyde # CH -25
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| Subject: | First-time Zodiac 601 builder questions? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
1. The kit doesn't have any seat belts. I was thinking of going to an
auto wreckers and picking up something out of a small car to use. My
questions is, has anyone else done this? The baggage compartment floor
is complete but clecoed and I thought now is the time to cut a slot in
the floor to pass the ratchet anchor through it and bolt it to the
fuselage bulkhead. Any thoughts on this? Advisable?
Trevor, the only problem you will face is that your inspector ( Jamie
Alexander) will want to see that your seatbelt will release while under
weight, as in an inverted situation. You will have to prove this to him
if you use an automotive belt.
While on the
subject of wreckers, correct me if I'm wrong but it looks as if the
forward opening canopy of the XL (I need to build a canopy for mine)
latch looks suspiciously like a car door catch. If this is the case
might as well pick that up too?
You will find the latch mech from the plans is available at Spa-Naur on
Victoria st in Kitchener. Use the same part #.
3. Has anyone made an engine mount for the 912 from scratch using the
drawings? I have a couple of friends who are master welders and I was
thinking of getting them to make it up.
Tom Mills has made many of those mounts; you may wish to talk to him
directly.
4. One wing does not have the leading edge skin installed yet. Perfect
time to install a landing light. Any drawings out there for making a
bracket?
Yup, drop up for a visit and I can set you up.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: N701TD (the taildragger) Flies! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
Congrats !!!!!!!
Ben Haas N801BH do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions, Thank you, and Web site Complement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
Thanks for the posting. Nice web site! I just had demo flight at zenith 1
week ago and will attend the rudder workshop in Sept. Can't wait to get
started!
Michael Hilderbrand
----- Original Message -----
From: "zenithlist" <zenithlist@randomminds.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Introductions, Thank you, and Web site Complement
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "zenithlist"
<zenithlist@randomminds.com>
>
> Ok, I guess I've been lurking for long enough, time to introduce my self.
>
> My name is Greg Lamoree and I've been lurking on this site for the last
several months.
>
> I'm building a 601 XL, completed the rudder and took delivery of the 900lb
killer box a couple of weeks ago. I've now started on the horizontal
stabalizer.
>
> I want to thank everyone on the list for their help so far (even though
you didn't know you were helping). By reading this forum I've been able to
learn alot!
>
> Recent conversations about rivet edge distance and a conversation a while
back about the Dual vs Y stick, were of particular interest and help.
>
> I also wanted to complement Gig on a very nice web site.
>
> I hope that in the future I can be of help as much as everyone here has
helped me so far.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> --------------------------
> Greg Lamoree
> Zodiac 601 XL
> www.GregsPlane.com
> --------------------------
>
>
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