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1. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Wheel Fairings and L angles (Larry Martin)
2. 06:58 AM - 601XL Build Order (Lance Gingell)
3. 07:25 AM - 701 rear root doubler (RURUNY@aol.com)
4. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Re: 601XL Build Order (Joemotis@aol.com)
5. 10:01 AM - First Flight for N601EZ (Larry McFarland)
6. 10:30 AM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (Bob Simle)
7. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: Re: 601XL Build Order (Dave & Darlene)
8. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Re: 601XL Build Order (Joemotis@aol.com)
9. 11:35 AM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (Larry McFarland)
10. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Re: 601XL Build Order (Rick)
11. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Re: 601XL Build Order (Joemotis@aol.com)
12. 02:13 PM - 601HD wing filet question (Trevor Page)
13. 02:35 PM - Re: 601HD wing filet question (Joemotis@aol.com)
14. 03:04 PM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (cgalley)
15. 03:12 PM - Re: 601HD wing filet question (Bryan Martin)
16. 03:34 PM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (Larry McFarland)
17. 03:50 PM - Re: 601HD wing filet question (wizard-24@juno.com)
18. 03:56 PM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (Al Young)
19. 04:22 PM - Re: 601HD wing filet question (Bryan Martin)
20. 05:20 PM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (Benford2@aol.com)
21. 05:25 PM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (Larry McFarland)
22. 05:40 PM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (Joemotis@aol.com)
23. 06:15 PM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (Larry McFarland)
24. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: Re: 601XL Build Order (Rick)
25. 06:54 PM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (Larry McFarland)
26. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: Re: 601XL Build Order (Joemotis@aol.com)
27. 11:10 PM - Stratus Oil Filter (j.breit)
28. 11:15 PM - Stratst Oil Filter (j.breit)
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Fairings and L angles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
They will all have to be worked where the two halves are seamed together. But
the rest of the pant should be relatively imperfection free. If it's not then
it's just sorry workmanship. Anything less is just plain unacceptable. Send
it back, it you don't then the problem will not get better. They have to know
that we will not accept sorry workmanship.
Larry N1345L
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From: nhulin
To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:07 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wheel Fairings and L angles
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
On: Fri Jun 25 - 6:16 PM Greg Lamoree (zenithlist@randomminds.com) wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Lamoree"
<zenithlist@randomminds.com>
> When I unpacked the wheel fairings from my kit, I noticed that
> they seemed VERY rough. In fact, the two halves of each
> don't seem to line up very well, and it will take quite a bit
> of some kind of filler to make a nice looking / smooth
> fairing.
Greg,
I sent mine back and got another set that are slightly more acceptable but
still look like they'll need days of work to clean up. I may yet just return
them and buy some from VANS or Spruce.
Tailwinds, ...neil
601XL/Corvair
Fuselage and stuff
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| Subject: | 601XL Build Order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
My wings/fuse kit finally arrived, and I'm trying to figure out
how/whether to make the 12' crate into my new bench (old one was the
tail kit crate, so its only 9' x 3').
Ray, You mentioned storing your wings in the crate "After completing
each wing, I was able to construct a shelf in the original crate and
slide the completed wing back into the crate. They protrude from the
crate at the wing root but for the most part are out of the way...".
This sounds like a great plan for me - do you have a picture of this
somewhere?
On the workbench, I've seen one builder out there (I forget who - the
guy with the multicoloured bench) who used the 12' crate as a workbench,
but needed to stiffen up the top. I'd like to leave the bench intact (to
store wings/skins etc.) and use the top to build on. Has anyone else
successfully done this? Any pictures/tips?
Cheers,
..lance
601XL Tail complete, wings/fuse just arrived.
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| Subject: | 701 rear root doubler |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
I looked over the plan sheets 7-V-4 and 7-V-6 and the completed wing
skeleton on my workbench.
If you look carefully at the plans the 247mm is measured from the center of
rib 1 to the center of the root rib. This is also where the inboardmost set of
A5 holes is located as shown on 7V4-3 as 58mm from its inboard end.
Now look at the 295mm measurement on 7-V-6. It shows the measurement from
the inboard
side of rib 1 to the end of the heavy channel. If you place the rear root
doubler flush against the 295mm long heavy rear channel the inboard rivets will
be 58mm from the inboard end locating the center of the root rib. Now
measure the center of rib 1 to the center of root rib and you will get 247mm.
At first when I was looking at this for you,I was taking both measurements
from the same place and was worried for a second that I had screwed it up.
Subtract 295-247=48 You think inboard rivets for root rib should be
48mm from end.
leaving that 10 mm overhang of the
doubler.
Since the rib flanges are aproximately 20 mm the center of the rib would add
another 10 mm to the 295 measurement. 295+10 =305mm
Then 305-247=58mm
Brian
Long Island
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| Subject: | Re: Re: 601XL Build Order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
In a message dated 6/26/2004 9:53:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
nhulin@hotmail.com writes:
About the only thing I thought was missing is the cut out in the
Cable Control Box sides, but that isn't hard to work out for yourself.
This is one of my points exactly in you words.
Missing? Did these plans go through plan check? And if the did, who signed
off on them with something missing???
"On the "Zodiac XL Photo Assembly
Guides" page, follow the link to "Drawing Updates". You will find in PDF
form, textual summaries of the changes that have been applied to the
drawings"
This is on a link on my toolbar and I read it at least once a week and the
last 6 mistakes that I have found were not there.
"All in all it is very hard to fault the quality of the drawings, photo
manuals, and the supplied parts. Ask around your EAA chapter to get a
sampling of the quality of other vendors documentation."
I disagree completely here. The quality of the photo guides for the dual
stick mods is is about a 1 on the 10 scale and I have seen better from China
in
directions to assemble your BBQ. I am halfway through the wings for the XL
and have found 5 mistakes on the prints. I am also working from the latest set
and the CD for the photo guide. And I dont need a sampling of others
documentation. What I am dealing with is ZAC.
"Instead of moaning to other builders, help everyone out when you eventually
find a real error by accurately documenting it and drop an email to the
factory."
Moaning? because the latest information from the factory is wrong and I have
to post to a list to see how others dealt with it? That's frustration, pure
and simple. Also I do contact the factory when I find mistakes. Phone or e
mail.
Joe Motis
601XL
34 years of reading prints for a living
Do not archive
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| Subject: | First Flight for N601EZ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
First Flight of N601EZ
(and a short one at that)
June 27 My concerned research had been asking, what do EGTs read at and above 4000-rpms,
when all else goes normal. The visibility was clear, the sky was overcast.
Temps neared 70 and there was no wind, so within 20-minutes I was at the
airport and the plane was moved out on the ramp. I requested a First Flight
Clearance on runway 5 and stated that I would either linger above the tower and
pattern, or return directly and land dependant upon info from my Engine Information
System. Tower clearance to 5 was given and I moved out and accelerated
quickly to a lift-off and proceeded to climb at 4500-4900 rpm. Passing over the
end of the runway at 600-feet, the EIS light came on and EGT temps climbed
to 1550-degrees F at 5000 rpm, which is well above the 1400-EGT limit, so I reduced
throttle to 3500-rpm and requested an immediate clearance to land on 27.
Tower cleared the approach, so I rolled the plane into a tight right turn and
descended at 2000-rpm to a very good landing and rollout. Ground cleared me at
the intersection to take runway 23 back to the hangars. The answer to my EGT
question was answered. None of the other temps were outside limits but the EGT
temps need attention. The plane is a pure joy to fly. It's so precise and totally
in-trim. The view is terrific and when the EGT problem sorts out, the 40-hours
are going to go quickly.
Thanks to you all for providing information that made this construction experience
possible and for providing answers to my questions along the way. I'm sure
there'll be more.
Thanks again Kelly for the preflight experience that made this first flight a safe
one.
Larry C. McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | First Flight for N601EZ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Simle" <bob@eeworks.com>
Congrats Larry,
I have been hitting your website daily anticipating your first flight. Your
an inspiration to many of us builders. Hope your able to fly it to Mexico
for open hanger day in August.
-Bob Simle 801 builder
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight for N601EZ
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
First Flight of N601EZ
(and a short one at that)
June 27 My concerned research had been asking, what do EGTs read at and
above 4000-rpms, when all else goes normal. The visibility was clear, the
sky was overcast. Temps neared 70 and there was no wind, so within
20-minutes I was at the airport and the plane was moved out on the ramp. I
requested a First Flight Clearance on runway 5 and stated that I would
either linger above the tower and pattern, or return directly and land
dependant upon info from my Engine Information System. Tower clearance to 5
was given and I moved out and accelerated quickly to a lift-off and
proceeded to climb at 4500-4900 rpm. Passing over the end of the runway at
600-feet, the EIS light came on and EGT temps climbed to 1550-degrees F at
5000 rpm, which is well above the 1400-EGT limit, so I reduced throttle to
3500-rpm and requested an immediate clearance to land on 27. Tower cleared
the approach, so I rolled the plane into a tight right turn and descended at
2000-rpm to a very good landing and ro!
llout. Ground cleared me at the intersection to take runway 23 back to the
hangars. The answer to my EGT question was answered. None of the other temps
were outside limits but the EGT temps need attention. The plane is a pure
joy to fly. It's so precise and totally in-trim. The view is terrific and
when the EGT problem sorts out, the 40-hours are going to go quickly.
Thanks to you all for providing information that made this construction
experience possible and for providing answers to my questions along the
way. I'm sure there'll be more.
Thanks again Kelly for the preflight experience that made this first flight
a safe one.
Larry C. McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Re: 601XL Build Order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
Hi Joe
Seems your having a problem with the drawings, photo guides. You are
probably a very confident builder and are having lots of fun with the build.
I myself am scratch building and love the challenge. I realize no one is
perfect and we all make mistakes. Zac I'm sure knows of these issues and is
probably dealing with them as time allows. Chris probably has a lot on his
mind but his commitment to his builders goes way beyond what we see and
hear. I'm sure if you approached him on your issues he would resolve them
for you. As a scratch builder we are bound to run into snags but that is
part of the fun of it all. When we solve them it gives us a feeling of
accomplishment and a really good feeling inside that we did it. The list
offers many advantages over a phone in support as we can draw from other
builders that have run into these issues and have found ways around them and
have solved them. I'm only to happy to use the list as I'm no expert and
need that helping hand once in awhile. Please accept the plans and photo's
as they are and have fun with your build as the long term goal is to get
that plane in the iar one day and enjoy what we've build on our own. You've
probably read of builders first flights. I can only imagine the excitement
that they must be having. I can hardly wait for that day to come for me and
my wife to enjoy the fruits of our labour and love. And to say to fellow
fliers, we built this ourselves. What a way to live.
Dave (Alberta)
601XL
99% to go
----- Original Message -----
From: <Joemotis@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re: 601XL Build Order
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 6/26/2004 9:53:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> nhulin@hotmail.com writes:
>
> About the only thing I thought was missing is the cut out in the
> Cable Control Box sides, but that isn't hard to work out for yourself.
>
>
> This is one of my points exactly in you words.
> Missing? Did these plans go through plan check? And if the did, who signed
> off on them with something missing???
>
> "On the "Zodiac XL Photo Assembly
> Guides" page, follow the link to "Drawing Updates". You will find in PDF
> form, textual summaries of the changes that have been applied to the
> drawings"
>
> This is on a link on my toolbar and I read it at least once a week and the
> last 6 mistakes that I have found were not there.
>
>
> "All in all it is very hard to fault the quality of the drawings, photo
> manuals, and the supplied parts. Ask around your EAA chapter to get a
> sampling of the quality of other vendors documentation."
>
> I disagree completely here. The quality of the photo guides for the dual
> stick mods is is about a 1 on the 10 scale and I have seen better from
China in
> directions to assemble your BBQ. I am halfway through the wings for the
XL
> and have found 5 mistakes on the prints. I am also working from the
latest set
> and the CD for the photo guide. And I dont need a sampling of others
> documentation. What I am dealing with is ZAC.
>
> "Instead of moaning to other builders, help everyone out when you
eventually
> find a real error by accurately documenting it and drop an email to the
> factory."
>
> Moaning? because the latest information from the factory is wrong and I
have
> to post to a list to see how others dealt with it? That's frustration,
pure
> and simple. Also I do contact the factory when I find mistakes. Phone or e
> mail.
>
> Joe Motis
> 601XL
> 34 years of reading prints for a living
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: 601XL Build Order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Hi Dave
I am not having a problem per se, just venting a little frustration over
things that I feel should have been taken care of before the prints or photo
guides were released. I like ZAC and believe in the product and can work around
the errors and omissisons, my point is that they (for the most part) could
have been taken care of with a better plans check before release.
And Shirley is one of the best customer service reps that I have ever dealt
with. It just seems to me, considering the high quality of the kit they should
strive to do a liitle better in the documentation arena.
Cheers
Joe Motis
601XL
Still waiting for the repacement bottom wing skins
after they sent me the top replacement wing skins
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight for N601EZ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Bob,
I'd be pleased to be able to fly there this year as well, but that might
be cutting it a little close. I intend to be there in any case.
Thanks,
Larry
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Simle" <bob@eeworks.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First Flight for N601EZ
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Simle" <bob@eeworks.com>
>
>
> Congrats Larry,
> I have been hitting your website daily anticipating your first flight.
Your
> an inspiration to many of us builders. Hope your able to fly it to Mexico
> for open hanger day in August.
>
> -Bob Simle 801 builder
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: 601XL Build Order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Joe, I've been building airplanes for 35 years and haven't found one yet
that didn't have a few discrepancies in the drawings. At Lockheed and
Northrop there's a huge staff that does nothing but drawing updates and
changes. They spend millions of dollars keeping up with changes and
fixing past mistakes, but there's STILL discrepancies here and there.
Sometimes you just have to look at the big picture and make adjustments
accordingly.
Rick P.
CH601HD
Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 6/26/2004 9:53:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> nhulin@hotmail.com writes:
>
> About the only thing I thought was missing is the cut out in the
> Cable Control Box sides, but that isn't hard to work out for yourself.
>
>
> This is one of my points exactly in you words.
> Missing? Did these plans go through plan check? And if the did, who signed
> off on them with something missing???
>
> "On the "Zodiac XL Photo Assembly
> Guides" page, follow the link to "Drawing Updates". You will find in PDF
> form, textual summaries of the changes that have been applied to the
> drawings"
>
> This is on a link on my toolbar and I read it at least once a week and the
> last 6 mistakes that I have found were not there.
>
>
> "All in all it is very hard to fault the quality of the drawings, photo
> manuals, and the supplied parts. Ask around your EAA chapter to get a
> sampling of the quality of other vendors documentation."
>
> I disagree completely here. The quality of the photo guides for the dual
> stick mods is is about a 1 on the 10 scale and I have seen better from China
in
> directions to assemble your BBQ. I am halfway through the wings for the XL
> and have found 5 mistakes on the prints. I am also working from the latest set
> and the CD for the photo guide. And I dont need a sampling of others
> documentation. What I am dealing with is ZAC.
>
> "Instead of moaning to other builders, help everyone out when you eventually
> find a real error by accurately documenting it and drop an email to the
> factory."
>
> Moaning? because the latest information from the factory is wrong and I have
> to post to a list to see how others dealt with it? That's frustration, pure
> and simple. Also I do contact the factory when I find mistakes. Phone or e
> mail.
>
> Joe Motis
> 601XL
> 34 years of reading prints for a living
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: 601XL Build Order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Hi Rick
How is this for coincidence, My Dad graduated from Northrop, taught at
Northrop and retired from Lockheed with 35 years of sevice. And, in the early
years of his career, was a draftsman. He also taught mechanical drawing at at
De
Anza College for a few years before his retirement from Lockheed. And
finally, in his last ten years before his retirement he was a mainstay in the
Lockheed Zero Defects program. So this probably has something to do with my view
of the errors etc. in the prints and photo guides that cause me frustration.
Certainly, nothing we cannot work through though. And especially with all the
great feedback that comes from you and the other contributors to this great
list.
Cheers
Joe Motis
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| Subject: | 601HD wing filet question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Seem to be making some decent progress on my 601 project. Today I made
up and installed all the control cables since those would be a pain to
install after I do the turtledeck, which is next on my list.
SO, my question today is that the wing filet seems a bit long to me. It
overlaps the center wing nose skin by 1.5 inches. In the manual is
doesn't say anything about trimming it. Should I trim it or leave it
alone? That would leave a noticeable gap between it and the nose skin.
I've looked a lot of pictures but I can't see anything close enough...
Thanks!
Trevor Page
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD wing filet question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Hi Trevor,
I am sorry that I do not know the answer to the fillet question. But
hopefully, you could answer a question for me. What did you use to crimp the cables
with? Also, are you going to tension them with, perhaps, one of those $100
tensionmeters?
Thanks
Joe Motis
601XL
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight for N601EZ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Congratulations
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight for N601EZ
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>
> First Flight of N601EZ
> (and a short one at that)
>
> June 27 My concerned research had been asking, what do EGTs read at and
above 4000-rpms, when all else goes normal. The visibility was clear, the
sky was overcast. Temps neared 70 and there was no wind, so within
20-minutes I was at the airport and the plane was moved out on the ramp. I
requested a First Flight Clearance on runway 5 and stated that I would
either linger above the tower and pattern, or return directly and land
dependant upon info from my Engine Information System. Tower clearance to 5
was given and I moved out and accelerated quickly to a lift-off and
proceeded to climb at 4500-4900 rpm. Passing over the end of the runway at
600-feet, the EIS light came on and EGT temps climbed to 1550-degrees F at
5000 rpm, which is well above the 1400-EGT limit, so I reduced throttle to
3500-rpm and requested an immediate clearance to land on 27. Tower cleared
the approach, so I rolled the plane into a tight right turn and descended at
2000-rpm to a very good landing and ro!
> llout. Ground cleared me at the intersection to take runway 23 back to the
hangars. The answer to my EGT question was answered. None of the other temps
were outside limits but the EGT temps need attention. The plane is a pure
joy to fly. It's so precise and totally in-trim. The view is terrific and
when the EGT problem sorts out, the 40-hours are going to go quickly.
>
> Thanks to you all for providing information that made this construction
experience possible and for providing answers to my questions along the
way. I'm sure there'll be more.
>
> Thanks again Kelly for the preflight experience that made this first
flight a safe one.
>
> Larry C. McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD wing filet question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 6/27/04 5:34 PM, Joemotis@aol.com at Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>
> Hi Trevor,
> I am sorry that I do not know the answer to the fillet question. But
> hopefully, you could answer a question for me. What did you use to crimp the
> cables
> with? Also, are you going to tension them with, perhaps, one of those $100
> tensionmeters?
>
> Thanks
> Joe Motis
> 601XL
You must use a Nicopress swaging tool for crimping the control cables.
Improperly crimped cable fasteners can kill you. Many EAA chapters have
these tools to loan out for the job. They are also available from Aircraft
Spruce, but they are expensive. These fittings are also used on sail boats,
so most places that do work on them may have a set you can use. I just
checked E-Bay and saw at three for sale for $40 which is a real bargain.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Getting the paperwork in order.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight for N601EZ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Thank you Cy.
The EGT temps are an issue I can work thru, so in a few days
we'll have a go at it again. Had to fly tho, perfect weather.
Must say thanks for your considerable help in getting me out to the
airport. If you need welding or machining or just help with
anything to get you airborne again, please let me know.
Would like to see your plane back in the air.
Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight for N601EZ
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Congratulations
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight for N601EZ
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
> >
> >
> > First Flight of N601EZ
> > (and a short one at that)
> >
> > June 27 My concerned research had been asking, what do EGTs read at and
> above 4000-rpms, when all else goes normal. The visibility was clear, the
> sky was overcast. Temps neared 70 and there was no wind, so within
> 20-minutes I was at the airport and the plane was moved out on the ramp. I
> requested a First Flight Clearance on runway 5 and stated that I would
> either linger above the tower and pattern, or return directly and land
> dependant upon info from my Engine Information System. Tower clearance to
5
> was given and I moved out and accelerated quickly to a lift-off and
> proceeded to climb at 4500-4900 rpm. Passing over the end of the runway at
> 600-feet, the EIS light came on and EGT temps climbed to 1550-degrees F at
> 5000 rpm, which is well above the 1400-EGT limit, so I reduced throttle to
> 3500-rpm and requested an immediate clearance to land on 27. Tower cleared
> the approach, so I rolled the plane into a tight right turn and descended
at
> 2000-rpm to a very good landing and ro!
> > llout. Ground cleared me at the intersection to take runway 23 back to
the
> hangars. The answer to my EGT question was answered. None of the other
temps
> were outside limits but the EGT temps need attention. The plane is a pure
> joy to fly. It's so precise and totally in-trim. The view is terrific and
> when the EGT problem sorts out, the 40-hours are going to go quickly.
> >
> > Thanks to you all for providing information that made this construction
> experience possible and for providing answers to my questions along the
> way. I'm sure there'll be more.
> >
> > Thanks again Kelly for the preflight experience that made this first
> flight a safe one.
> >
> > Larry C. McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> What did you use to crimp the cables with?
Joe, there's an inexpensive nicropress swaging tool (I think all the
suppliers sell them) which you can use. It's slower than some of the
bigger (more expensive) tools, but it does the job just fine. Here's the
link to the Aircraft Spruce web site:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/swagingtool.php
The one for 17 bucks works great.
> Also, are you going to tension them with, perhaps, one of those $100
> tensionmeters?
Not necessary, in my opinion. Just hand check for the proper deflection,
and you're good to go. I plan to just be sure to check them regularly.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight for N601EZ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Larry- Great work!! Congrats. I've been following your progress for the
past several years, and am very happy you have reached your goal.
Al Young
601XL- 80%
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD wing filet question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 6/27/04 6:51 PM, wizard-24@juno.com at wizard-24@juno.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
>> What did you use to crimp the cables with?
>
> Joe, there's an inexpensive nicropress swaging tool (I think all the
> suppliers sell them) which you can use. It's slower than some of the
> bigger (more expensive) tools, but it does the job just fine. Here's the
> link to the Aircraft Spruce web site:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/swagingtool.php
>
> The one for 17 bucks works great.
>
>> Also, are you going to tension them with, perhaps, one of those $100
>> tensionmeters?
>
> Not necessary, in my opinion. Just hand check for the proper deflection,
> and you're good to go. I plan to just be sure to check them regularly.
>
> Mike Fortunato
> 601XL
I forgot about those swagers. They should work fine too.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Getting the paperwork in order.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight for N601EZ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 6/27/2004 11:02:27 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
larrymc@qconline.com writes:
> accelerated quickly to a lift-off and proceeded to climb at 4500-4900 rpm.
> Passing over the end of the runway at 600-feet, the EIS light came on and EGT
> temps climbed to 1550-degrees F at 5000 rpm, which is well above the
> 1400-EGT limit, so I reduced throttle to 3500-rpm and requested an immediate
> clearance to land on 27. Tower cleared the approach, so I rolled the plane into
a
> tight right turn and descended at 2000-rpm to a very good landing and ro!
>
Tell us what engine you are running. If it is a computer controlled fuel
system then it needs to be able to richen the mixture automatically, if ya got
a
manual fuel control that should make it simple. Just feed the motor a little
more gas. I know this probably not have a direct bearing on your motor setup
but, on my 801 I am running a V-8 all aluminum Ford 347 cu .in. stroker water
cooled motor. I have a Holley 500 cfm with a McNeilly mixture block on it to
regulate the fuel flow. I am running a single EGT probe 3" past where the four
pipes merge onto the collector, which happens to the the absolute hottest
location in the exhaust system. On climb out I get 1600 f and in cruise it runs
1525f. I have been involved with racing engine R&D for years and this scared me
the first time. I have done several plug cuts, which is a way of reading the
color of the plugs accurately. It loves to run there and the plugs and piston
tops look great. The fuel burn in my 801 is really hard for even me to believe.
In cruise at 10,000 msl and 80 % power I am using 5.7 gph. I have been triple
checking this number on each fuel fill up and it appears to be fairly
correct. I know, I don't fully believe the numbers either. Let us know your whole
fuel and motor combo and maybe we can help ya. Oh yeah, Isn't that first flight
the most amazing feeling in the world?????????
Ben Haas N801BH Jackson Hole Wy.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Larry- Great work!! Congrats. I've been following your progress for the
> past several years, and am very happy you have reached your goal.
>
> Al Young
> 601XL- 80%
>
> Do not archive
Thank you Al,
I'm still in a buz at having flown. The 601s a great little plane to fly.
It's good manners and handling make one feel really safe.
Hang in there and your turn will come .......and it's worth it.
Larry
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Thanks for the enjoyment that your site has given me through the years!! And
was definitely part of the decision process for committing to Zenith
Aircraft and the 601.
Congratulations for a job seen through
And a job well done
Joe Motis
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight for N601EZ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight for N601EZ
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/27/2004 11:02:27 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> larrymc@qconline.com writes:
>
>
> > accelerated quickly to a lift-off and proceeded to climb at 4500-4900
rpm.
> > Passing over the end of the runway at 600-feet, the EIS light came on
and EGT
> > temps climbed to 1550-degrees F at 5000 rpm, which is well above the
> > 1400-EGT limit, so I reduced throttle to 3500-rpm and requested an
immediate
> > clearance to land on 27. Tower cleared the approach, so I rolled the
plane into a
> > tight right turn and descended at 2000-rpm to a very good landing and
ro!
> >
>
> Tell us what engine you are running. If it is a computer controlled fuel
> system then it needs to be able to richen the mixture automatically, if ya
got a
> manual fuel control that should make it simple. Just feed the motor a
little
> more gas. Let us know your whole
> fuel and motor combo and maybe we can help ya. Oh yeah, Isn't that first
flight
> the most amazing feeling in the world?????????
>
> Ben Haas N801BH Jackson Hole Wy.
> Ben,
This is an EA-81 Stratus with RAM Performance heads, electronic ignition,
Bing 64-3 CV type carburators and a warp drive prop set to 13 degrees. Ron
at Ram suggests the clips should be moved to
enrich the mixture. Within archives Frank suggested that he was going to
change jet sizes. Jim Weston suggested the timing should be adjusted to
enrich and even the rpm difference between ignition A and B.
This engine is an aluminum 4-cylinder Subaru with shaved heads, larger
pistons and develops 110 hp at 5400 per Stratus advertising. I've got to
order the Bing manual and study each of these elements because I'm not a
great engine-guy, just a retired designer. Oh, the EGT probes are 3-1/2"
downstream of the exhaust ports and 1400-degrees F is a max point where
1250-deg F is supposed to be optimum.
Yes, this 601HDS is a great experience. The feel is much better than the
commercial planes I've been
flying and I really feel safe in this one. It's handling seems like an
extension of my mind.
(No wonder its a slow plane).
Thanks again Ben,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS pictures at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Re: 601XL Build Order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Ahhh... the Zero Defect program, I remember it well. I was on the ZD
committee myself quite a few years ago (time goes so fast). Next time
you see your Dad ask him if a plane was ever actually built with Zero
Defects. Then ask him how many dollars were spent trying to achieve it ;)
Rick P.
Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>
> Hi Rick
>
> How is this for coincidence, My Dad graduated from Northrop, taught at
> Northrop and retired from Lockheed with 35 years of sevice. And, in the early
> years of his career, was a draftsman. He also taught mechanical drawing at
at De
> Anza College for a few years before his retirement from Lockheed. And
> finally, in his last ten years before his retirement he was a mainstay in the
> Lockheed Zero Defects program. So this probably has something to do with my
view
> of the errors etc. in the prints and photo guides that cause me frustration.
> Certainly, nothing we cannot work through though. And especially with all the
> great feedback that comes from you and the other contributors to this great
> list.
>
> Cheers
>
> Joe Motis
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Joemotis@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight for N601EZ
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>
> Thanks for the enjoyment that your site has given me through the years!!
And
> was definitely part of the decision process for committing to Zenith
> Aircraft and the 601.
>
> Congratulations for a job seen through
> And a job well done
>
> Joe Motis
>
> Do not archive
Thank you Joe,
This site isn't going anywhere for a few years, but I'm pleased you've found
it useful. The 601's a great little plane and it's going to see some real
time
when the EGTs are resolved.
Thanks again,
Larry
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
"Ahhh... the Zero Defect program, I remember it well." You've got it! I
guess my whole point on this lengthy,and sometimes humourus post is attention
to detail.
Nothing more,
nothing less.
And remember the next time that you are sittihg on the pot;
" the job is not finished until the paperwork is done"
Joe Motis
601XL
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| Subject: | Stratus Oil Filter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "j.breit" <j.breit@comcast.net>
The oil filter provided with my Stratus engine is a WIX # 51065. WIX has supposedly
superseded this filter with a longer filter that interferes with the engine
mount when mounting. The NAPA part number for this filter (which is also longer
and interferes) is 1056. Does anyone know of an equivalent filter that is
the shorter length of the original WIX filter or have another solution to the
problem?
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| Subject: | Stratst Oil Filter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "j.breit" <j.breit@comcast.net>
BlankThe oil filter provided with my Stratus engine is a WIX # 51065. The only
replacements I can find (e.g. NAPA # 1056) are longer and interfere with the engine
mount when being installed. The WIX filter has supposedly been superseded
by this longer filter. I talked to Stratus and their recommendation was a remote
filter mount. Are other Stratus owners having this problem and if so how
are they solving?
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