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1. 03:24 AM - Re: Axel Drilling and mounting (Bryan Martin)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: Hole Finder (Michel Therrien)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: Engine testing, Stratus Subaru (cgalley)
4. 06:35 AM - Re: Hole Finder (Mike H)
5. 08:02 AM - Re: Hole Finder (Chuck Deiterich)
6. 08:41 AM - Re: Hole Finder (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
7. 10:42 AM - Order is in! (Rculp4@aol.com)
8. 11:26 AM - Re: Order is in! (Greg Lamoree)
9. 12:43 PM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (David Barth)
10. 12:43 PM - Heavy left wing question (Michel Therrien)
11. 02:05 PM - Re: Kitfox-List: Clutch in 582 (jareds)
12. 04:42 PM - Re: Heavy left wing question (Larry McFarland)
13. 06:19 PM - 601 flight instruction (Bob Miller)
14. 07:39 PM - Re: 601 flight instruction (Jim)
15. 08:19 PM - 601XL Heavy left wing (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
16. 08:25 PM - Re: 601XL Heavy left wing (Joemotis@aol.com)
17. 08:31 PM - Re: Heavy left wing question (Jack Russell)
18. 08:42 PM - Re: Heavy left wing question (Joemotis@aol.com)
19. 08:44 PM - Re: Heavy left wing question (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
20. 09:26 PM - Re: Heavy left wing question (Jack Russell)
21. 09:58 PM - Jabiru 3300 Install on 601 (Ray Montagne)
22. 11:32 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Install on 601 (Rico Voss)
23. 11:38 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Install on 601 (Ray Montagne)
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Subject: | Re: Axel Drilling and mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 6/28/04 5:45 PM, HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1) at frank.hinde@hp.com
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Eh what? Really?
>
> So how does one bleed the air out if the bleeder is on the bottom?
>
> I'm sure mine are on the top in my HDS?
>
> Frank
>
You connect a oil can filled with brake fluid to the bleeder valve with a
hose and pump fluid into the bleeder valve until it comes out at the master
cylinder. This pushes all the air out the top. It took me about fifteen
minutes working alone to fill up my brake system.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Getting the paperwork in order.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
His a "hole finder" the same as a "rivet duplicator"?
I made this easilly with two strips of aluminum and
one rivet.
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/ptoolsa.jpg
If we want to replace a part and duplicate the same
hole location on a new part, we insert the lower tab
(with its grinded rivet) in the hole and the upper tab
over the new part will show the exact rivet location.
I used it when I replaced the rear skin on my rudder.
I was able to preserve my tip and bottom ribs.
Michel
--- Jim Fosse <jfosse1@shawneelink.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse"
> <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
>
> I've been around tools for over 60 years and thought
> I knew a bit about the various ones. However, ZAC
> has thrown me a curve telling me I will need a "hole
> finder" to finish the wings on the 701. Can anyone
> give me a source for a hole finder? Or,
> alternatively, plans for making one.
>
> For anyone starting a project, I would suggest
> adding extended length drill bits, numbers 20, 30
> and 40. They sure come in handy.
>
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http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
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Subject: | Re: Engine testing, Stratus Subaru |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
WHY??
----- Original Message -----
From: "jennifer" <jennifer@hdip.org>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Engine testing, Stratus Subaru
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jennifer" <jennifer@hdip.org>
>
>
> Please unsubscribe anything that ends with @hdip.org
> It is urgent.
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HINDE,FRANK
> (HP-Corvallis,ex1)
> To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Engine testing, Stratus Subaru
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> --> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Firstly I would check your primary coil resistance...It should be aroung
> 1.1 ohms. A number of coils have dropped to 0.5 ohms and this doubles
> the current the chip has to switch...This will instantly blow a ND
> ignitor chip...At $287 a pop that's an expensive path.
>
> Your ickup coil is probably just fine so you can go get a NAPA TP 45
> (about
> $50) ignition module, hook it up to the PU coil and you will have an
> almost bullet proof ignition system.
>
> In fact I put both my primary and secondary system inside the
> distributor when the Stratus crank fired kit died.
>
> I strongly recommend you send your cylinder heads to Ram Performance for
> instalation of stepped inlet valve guides.
>
> My 601 HDS empty weight is 683lb.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Martin
> To: Zenith List
> Subject: Zenith-List: Engine testing, Stratus Subaru
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
> --> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> I took a couple of weeks off recently to finish the construction of my
> 601XL. I=B9ve got it all assembled now and just about ready for
> inspection. When I started testing the engine, I discovered that the
> primary ignition system wouldn=B9t work. I isolated the problem to the
> units inside the distributor, this is the Nippon Denso pickup and
> control module. I had a heck of a time finding a replacement, the most
> of the auto parts stores said they couldn=B9t get it any more. I checked
> the local junkyards with no luck. I started searching on-line and
> finally found two part numbers by referencing a 1982 Subaru 1800
> standard engine =B3module and pick-up=B2 or =B3pick-up/stator=B2
> (searching for an =B3ignition control module=B2 failed to find the right
> part). The parts listed were Borg/Warner ME579 and Beck/Arnley 100258.
> The picture of the Borg/Warner part looked exactly like the unit from my
> engine but I found out that it was no longer available. There was no
> picture of the Beck/Arnley unit but I ordered one and it worked. If
> anybody is interested, I found these parts at partsamerica.com (Action
> Auto) and autoparts.com.
>
> I have the Warp drive 73=B2 three blade prop. Mykal recommended 17 1/2
> degrees of pitch and 5000 RPM on take-off. With 17 degrees, I could only
> get 4500 RPM static. When I re-pitch the prop for 15 degrees I could
> still only get 4600 static. Re-reading Mykal=B9s message I realize he
> didn=B9t say static RPM but said 5000 on take-off. For those using the
> Subaru with this prop, does 4500 to 4600 static RPM sound right or
> should I have 5000 static?
>
> I=B9m also wondering how heavy your airplanes were with this engine.
> Zenith claims an empty weight under 700 pounds with the Jabiru or Rotax
> with minimal panel. My preliminary weight was around 820. I expected it
> to be on the heavy side with the heavier engine, full panel and
> interior, but I was surprised at the numbers I=B9m getting.
>
> I=B9m getting very close to launching this sucker, just have a bunch of
> paperwork to finish and a little more testing.
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> Construction complete.
> Getting the paperwork in order.
> do not archive.
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
> ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
Yeah, the "Yard Store" is here in wichita, ks. Very good resource center
for aircraft builder! They have plenty of used tools also, making the price
a little easier on the budet. I think they get some of there used tools from
the local aircraft companies... Boeing, Raytheon, learjet, cessena..
Wichita, KS the aircraft capital of the World! And home of Pizza Hut! :)
Michael Hilderbrand
----- Original Message -----
From: <Joemotis@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hole Finder
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I found these while browsing one day, does not look like it would be hard
to
> duplicate.
>
> _http://yardstore.com/tools/strap.htm_
(http://yardstore.com/tools/strap.htm)
>
> Joe Motis
> 601XL
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Jim,
Attached are two photos of my hole finder. The metal is about .018" thick
and 7 " long. The top piece could be thicker as it does not fit between the
two pieces to match holes. You can see two sizes of holes for A3's and A4's
(could add for A5's). As the hole wallows out from use, just snip the end
and start over.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Hole Finder
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
>
> I've been around tools for over 60 years and thought I knew a bit about
the various ones. However, ZAC has thrown me a curve telling me I will need
a "hole finder" to finish the wings on the 701. Can anyone give me a source
for a hole finder? Or, alternatively, plans for making one.
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
Try the YARD, 1-800-888-8991.
Item13055@$6.95 is the #40
" 13056@ " " #30
" 13057@ " " #21
" 13058@ " " #10
" 13059@ " " 1/4 in
" 13060@ $29.95 for the 5 pc set.
Good tools, you can drill the blind, covered hole first if location is
critical, edge distance or centerline, and then locate the hole on the covering
skin
or part.
In a message dated 6/29/2004 10:03:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
cfd@thegateway.net writes:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
> >
> > I've been around tools for over 60 years and thought I knew a bit about
> the various ones. However, ZAC has thrown me a curve telling me I will need
> a "hole finder" to finish the wings on the 701. Can anyone give me a source
> for a hole finder? Or, alternatively, plans for making one.
> >
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rculp4@aol.com
Hey guys:
Just wanted to let everyone know that we placed the order for our full XL kit today!
Hopefully for pick-up mid September
So there is no turning back now!
Thanks for all the great information I've spounged off of this list so far, and
stand by for lots of hopefully not-too-stupid questions in the coming months/years
(?)
Randy and Rodney Culp
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Order is in! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Lamoree" <zenithlist@randomminds.com>
Welcome to the club... I just started myself!
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Rculp4@aol.com
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rculp4@aol.com
>
>Hey guys:
>
>Just wanted to let everyone know that we placed the order for our full XL kit
today! Hopefully for pick-up mid September
>
>So there is no turning back now!
>
>Thanks for all the great information I've spounged off of this list so far, and
stand by for lots of hopefully not-too-stupid questions in the coming months/years
(?)
>
>Randy and Rodney Culp
>
>do not archive
>
>
--
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Greg Lamoree
Zodiac 601 XL
www.GregsPlane.com
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Subject: | Re: First Flight for N601EZ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Contratulations Larry! If your website is any
indication, that will be one work of art you are
flying. I can't wait to see it some day. Take care
and fly safely.
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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Subject: | Heavy left wing question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hi Group,
I was wondering... it appears that many people have
that "heavy left wing" problem. Those who don't, or
those who fixed it... did you noticed if you have any
difference in the incidence of the left wing vs the
right wing?
Those who had the problem, did you measure any
difference in the incidence of the two wings or are
they equal.
When checking a second time with the protractor, I
found that the incidence of left wing is a bit less
than that of the right wing. I want to readjust, but
I don't know if I should make them just equal or over
compensate a bit.
Michel
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
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Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List: Clutch in 582 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Don's right and i do need to drop my rpms a bit.
I just did not know how to check for wear or what maintenance was required.
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>Jared/Michel,
>see below
>
>
>jareds wrote:
>
>
>>>Also i've adjusted my idle to around 2100 and was wondering if there is
>>>a slight spin of prop due to centrifical force or whether those of you
>>>that have a clutch have a motionless prop?
>>>
>>>
>>I have never opened my C gearbox, Jared, but someone who did told me that,
>>that
>>clutch is the mother of all clutches, slipping only to prevent damaging the
>>crankshaft if your prop hits something. I don't thing it can slip due to
>>centrifugal force. But don't take my word on it, I am only a novice and a
>>bad
>>listener! :-)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Michel
>>
>>
>>
>
>Jared,
> You might find you don't need to set the RPM's that high for Idle
>(especially with the clutch). BTW, my RPM's sneaked up to about 2200 after my
>overhaul. It caused a float/landing problem and I had to move them back down.
>
>Michel,
> Wrong Clutch...Jared has the add on clutch that prevents the prop from
>turning at low RPM's. You are talking about the coned sleeve inside the C box
>(I think)
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Therrien" <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I was wondering... it appears that many people have
> that "heavy left wing" problem. Those who don't, or
> those who fixed it... did you noticed if you have any
> difference in the incidence of the left wing vs the
> right wing?
>
> Those who had the problem, did you measure any
> difference in the incidence of the two wings or are
> they equal.
>
> When checking a second time with the protractor, I
> found that the incidence of left wing is a bit less
> than that of the right wing. I want to readjust, but
> I don't know if I should make them just equal or over
> compensate a bit.
>
> Michel
Michel,
Earlier in construction of the center section, I found that my support jig
had warped and
the wings would have been at different angles after riveting the forward
upper edge of the
seat section nearest the spar. The rear fuselage was riveted also at the
rear spar. I had to drill out
the A4s on that row clear across, cleco and re-angle the center section and
then go to A5s. There
was over half an inch of difference at the rear spar as checked front to
back from the front spar to
the rear spar.
After pushing these surfaces to equal alignment, clecoing and riveting, all
was remeasured several times since and they are still equal. The plane
seems to be in good trim with just me in it now.
Larry
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Subject: | 601 flight instruction |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Having very few hours in power planes (but a number in sailplanes and hang-gliders)
in the last 20 years, I'm looking for a way to get back in the groove before
my first flight, which could conceivably be September or October. It appears
that the only commercial place in Canada to get possible dual in a 601 is
FlyPass--unfortunately they've only got an XL on hand and that will be delivered
to the customer before I can get up there. It doesn't sound like they're really
enthusiastic about giving dual to anybody that hasn't bought a plane from
them, anyway, their main business being sales. I contacted Zenith about the
issue, and they recommended FlyPass, so that was pretty much a dead end.
Does anyone have any recommendations as to what airplane might be most comprable
to the Zodiac 601HD, and where dual might be available in such a craft?
Of course, if you know of anyone in Canada (preferably Eastern Canada) that has
a private 601 that they could give dual instruction in, that would be ideal.
Many thanks,
Bob Miller
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Subject: | Re: 601 flight instruction |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim <aspen1150@yahoo.com>
--- Bob Miller <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
> <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Might try the old American Yankee...... side by side
two person responsive little plane.
>
> Having very few hours in power planes (but a number
> in sailplanes and hang-gliders) in the last 20
> years, I'm looking for a way to get back in the
> groove before my first flight, which could
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Subject: | 601XL Heavy left wing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
I've been following the thread about heavy left wings on the 601XL. It seems
to be a common trait on the XL. And it also comes up often enough that I
wonder if it's more than just an empty right hand seat. At any rate, I have
discovered something interesting and thought I would pass it along.
I am building a 601XL from a kit. I have just started working on the wings.
I took the center spar and the two wing spars and bolted them together and
laid them out on the floor to check the dihedral. The plans call for a 5.65
degree angle from horizontal...a 10 percent dihedral. I chalked a line on the
floor and proceeded to measure. It seems like my left wing has an angle of a
little more than 6 degrees...and my right wing has an angle of about 5 degrees.
In other words, according to my calculations, and my chalk lines on the
floor, my left wing is about an inch low, and my right wing is about an inch high.
The bolt holes are drilled at the factory. Has anyone else come across this
problem? Are the spars drilled on a jig of some kind at the factory? Are
they all this way? Or just mine? And finally, if there are other planes out
there with this same error, could that contribute to a low wing during flight?
I think I will leave them the way they are. I really don't want to try to
redrill with larger holes. But it seems to me that these parts should be
accurately aligned from the factory.
Dave Harms
videoflyer@aol.com
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Subject: | Re: 601XL Heavy left wing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Just like the bottom wing skins...
Joe Motis
601XL
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
When I took a ride on the demo plane at the factory Roger said that the wing was
damaged at sun n fun and they just rebuilt it and he would like to test fly
it first. As I waited on the ground durning his return taxi I noticed that the
trim flap was all the way in the up position. I asked him about this heavy wing
problem and he really didn't have much of an answer for me. Anyway, we got
talking about something else and forgot about the trim. After we both went up
I noticed the trim was back to netural. Jack
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Therrien"
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I was wondering... it appears that many people have
> that "heavy left wing" problem. Those who don't, or
> those who fixed it... did you noticed if you have any
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Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Jack
Did you happen to notice what machinery ZAC was using to drill the wing
spars?
Was it a C.N.C. type machine? I, personally, feel that the heavy wing is due
to the empty right seat but as Dave Harms post states, he found an error of
2 inches wingtip to wingtip and that might influence the problem also. I
might bolt mine together, just to see if the error repeats.
Joe Motis
601XL
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
Joe....let me know what you find out. I would be very interested. I don't
recall seeing any CNC equipment at the ZAC factory.
Dave
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Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Joe: I was surprised on how antiquated the factory was. I guess I was expecting
to see some big presses. Instead I found that they even build the ribs by hand
just as a scratch builder would. I did check into the bottom skin jig and I
saw how easy it would be to mistake. It is basically just a flat bar frame with
holes which is just laid on the skins. I am did not see the wing jig but I would
bet it is the same. Now for the good news. I think zenith turns out a pretty
good kit at a pretty good price with the machinery they have (compared to
RV's for example).
Shirley did mention that they were working on getting the machinery to do match
drilling. Maybe she meant they would invest in a longer drill bit to go through
2 pieces at once! Jack
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Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Jack
Did you happen to notice what machinery ZAC was using to drill the wing
spars?
Was it a C.N.C. type machine? I, personally, feel that the heavy wing is due
to the empty right seat but as Dave Harms post states, he found an error of
2 inches wingtip to wingtip and that might influence the problem also. I
might bolt mine together, just to see if the error repeats.
Joe Motis
601XL
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Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Install on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
Hello List,
I=B9ve just about completed my 601-XL firewall and decided to check the engine
mount . I have the Jabiru 3300 firewall forward kit from Jabiru, not the
Jabiru firewall forward kit from ZAC. There are some obvious differences in
how the engine mount attaches to the firewall. The current ZAC drawings
show flat metal tabs that the 6B6-5 and 6B6-4 engine mount fittings bolt
through. The Jabiru supplied mount has tubing where the bolts that are
pre-attached to the 6B6-5 and 6B6-4 would appear to insert directly into
except:
1. The bolts are not long enough, being nearly 1/4 inch shy of even
protruding through the tubing.
2. The bolt o.d. Is much narrower than the tubing i.d. Which might seem to
imply a bushing is required.
The Jabiru installation documentation is not as extensive as the ZAC
documentation (boy =AD I thought I=B9d never be saying something like that!),
having virtually no description of attaching the engine mount to the
firewall.
Has anyone on list have this same configuration and been through this
already? If so, could you please provide clarification on how you attached
the engine mount to the firewall?
Thank you.
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Cupertino, CA
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL
Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Install on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
--- Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne
> <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
> I have the Jabiru 3300 firewall forward kit
> from Jabiru,
> 1. The bolts are not long enough, being nearly 1/4
> inch shy of even
> protruding through the tubing.
> 2. The bolt o.d. Is much narrower than the tubing
> i.d. Which might seem to
> imply a bushing is required.
Ray--
You should find in the FWF kit (mine's from Pete in
Wisc) that the "nuts" are long sleeves,
inside-threaded, with a lip and hex-flats on one end,
that reach thru the tube on the mount.
These "nuts" seemed very thin to me, but that's what
was sent.
New question:
Has anyone else drilled those nuts for safety wire??
[Fred, you there?]
--Rico, XL-3300, Kansas City Slugworks West
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Install on 601 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 6/29/04 11:32 PM, "Rico Voss" <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You should find in the FWF kit (mine's from Pete in
> Wisc) that the "nuts" are long sleeves,
> inside-threaded, with a lip and hex-flats on one end,
> that reach thru the tube on the mount.
>
Thanks Rico! I'll dig deeper in the box but I fear that I may have to
re-order them. I experienced a burglary in my garage a few months back and
these may have disappeared along with my tools...
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Cupertino, CA
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Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Fuselage Under Construction
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