Zenith-List Digest Archive

Tue 06/29/04


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:24 AM - Re: Axel Drilling and mounting (Bryan Martin)
     2. 04:43 AM - Re: Hole Finder (Michel Therrien)
     3. 05:36 AM - Re: Engine testing, Stratus Subaru (cgalley)
     4. 06:35 AM - Re: Hole Finder (Mike H)
     5. 08:02 AM - Re: Hole Finder (Chuck Deiterich)
     6. 08:41 AM - Re: Hole Finder (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
     7. 10:42 AM - Order is in! (Rculp4@aol.com)
     8. 11:26 AM - Re: Order is in! (Greg Lamoree)
     9. 12:43 PM - Re: First Flight for N601EZ (David Barth)
    10. 12:43 PM - Heavy left wing question (Michel Therrien)
    11. 02:05 PM - Re: Kitfox-List: Clutch in 582 (jareds)
    12. 04:42 PM - Re: Heavy left wing question (Larry McFarland)
    13. 06:19 PM - 601 flight instruction  (Bob Miller)
    14. 07:39 PM - Re: 601 flight instruction  (Jim)
    15. 08:19 PM - 601XL Heavy left wing (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
    16. 08:25 PM - Re: 601XL Heavy left wing (Joemotis@aol.com)
    17. 08:31 PM - Re: Heavy left wing question (Jack Russell)
    18. 08:42 PM - Re: Heavy left wing question (Joemotis@aol.com)
    19. 08:44 PM - Re: Heavy left wing question (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
    20. 09:26 PM - Re: Heavy left wing question (Jack Russell)
    21. 09:58 PM - Jabiru 3300 Install on 601 (Ray Montagne)
    22. 11:32 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Install on 601 (Rico Voss)
    23. 11:38 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Install on 601 (Ray Montagne)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:24:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Axel Drilling and mounting
    From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> on 6/28/04 5:45 PM, HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1) at frank.hinde@hp.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > <frank.hinde@hp.com> > > Eh what? Really? > > So how does one bleed the air out if the bleeder is on the bottom? > > I'm sure mine are on the top in my HDS? > > Frank > You connect a oil can filled with brake fluid to the bleeder valve with a hose and pump fluid into the bleeder valve until it comes out at the master cylinder. This pushes all the air out the top. It took me about fifteen minutes working alone to fill up my brake system. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Construction complete. Getting the paperwork in order.


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    Time: 04:43:25 AM PST US
    From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Hole Finder
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> His a "hole finder" the same as a "rivet duplicator"? I made this easilly with two strips of aluminum and one rivet. http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/ptoolsa.jpg If we want to replace a part and duplicate the same hole location on a new part, we insert the lower tab (with its grinded rivet) in the hole and the upper tab over the new part will show the exact rivet location. I used it when I replaced the rear skin on my rudder. I was able to preserve my tip and bottom ribs. Michel --- Jim Fosse <jfosse1@shawneelink.net> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" > <jfosse1@shawneelink.net> > > I've been around tools for over 60 years and thought > I knew a bit about the various ones. However, ZAC > has thrown me a curve telling me I will need a "hole > finder" to finish the wings on the 701. Can anyone > give me a source for a hole finder? Or, > alternatively, plans for making one. > > For anyone starting a project, I would suggest > adding extended length drill bits, numbers 20, 30 > and 40. They sure come in handy. > ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail


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    Time: 05:36:26 AM PST US
    From: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
    Subject: Re: Engine testing, Stratus Subaru
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> WHY?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "jennifer" <jennifer@hdip.org> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Engine testing, Stratus Subaru > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jennifer" <jennifer@hdip.org> > > > Please unsubscribe anything that ends with @hdip.org > It is urgent. > Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HINDE,FRANK > (HP-Corvallis,ex1) > To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com' > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Engine testing, Stratus Subaru > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" > --> <frank.hinde@hp.com> > > Firstly I would check your primary coil resistance...It should be aroung > 1.1 ohms. A number of coils have dropped to 0.5 ohms and this doubles > the current the chip has to switch...This will instantly blow a ND > ignitor chip...At $287 a pop that's an expensive path. > > Your ickup coil is probably just fine so you can go get a NAPA TP 45 > (about > $50) ignition module, hook it up to the PU coil and you will have an > almost bullet proof ignition system. > > In fact I put both my primary and secondary system inside the > distributor when the Stratus crank fired kit died. > > I strongly recommend you send your cylinder heads to Ram Performance for > instalation of stepped inlet valve guides. > > My 601 HDS empty weight is 683lb. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan > Martin > To: Zenith List > Subject: Zenith-List: Engine testing, Stratus Subaru > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > --> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> > > I took a couple of weeks off recently to finish the construction of my > 601XL. I=B9ve got it all assembled now and just about ready for > inspection. When I started testing the engine, I discovered that the > primary ignition system wouldn=B9t work. I isolated the problem to the > units inside the distributor, this is the Nippon Denso pickup and > control module. I had a heck of a time finding a replacement, the most > of the auto parts stores said they couldn=B9t get it any more. I checked > the local junkyards with no luck. I started searching on-line and > finally found two part numbers by referencing a 1982 Subaru 1800 > standard engine =B3module and pick-up=B2 or =B3pick-up/stator=B2 > (searching for an =B3ignition control module=B2 failed to find the right > part). The parts listed were Borg/Warner ME579 and Beck/Arnley 100258. > The picture of the Borg/Warner part looked exactly like the unit from my > engine but I found out that it was no longer available. There was no > picture of the Beck/Arnley unit but I ordered one and it worked. If > anybody is interested, I found these parts at partsamerica.com (Action > Auto) and autoparts.com. > > I have the Warp drive 73=B2 three blade prop. Mykal recommended 17 1/2 > degrees of pitch and 5000 RPM on take-off. With 17 degrees, I could only > get 4500 RPM static. When I re-pitch the prop for 15 degrees I could > still only get 4600 static. Re-reading Mykal=B9s message I realize he > didn=B9t say static RPM but said 5000 on take-off. For those using the > Subaru with this prop, does 4500 to 4600 static RPM sound right or > should I have 5000 static? > > I=B9m also wondering how heavy your airplanes were with this engine. > Zenith claims an empty weight under 700 pounds with the Jabiru or Rotax > with minimal panel. My preliminary weight was around 820. I expected it > to be on the heavy side with the heavier engine, full panel and > interior, but I was surprised at the numbers I=B9m getting. > > I=B9m getting very close to launching this sucker, just have a bunch of > paperwork to finish and a little more testing. > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > Construction complete. > Getting the paperwork in order. > do not archive. > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > == > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > == > == > == > >


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    Time: 06:35:54 AM PST US
    From: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Hole Finder
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net> Yeah, the "Yard Store" is here in wichita, ks. Very good resource center for aircraft builder! They have plenty of used tools also, making the price a little easier on the budet. I think they get some of there used tools from the local aircraft companies... Boeing, Raytheon, learjet, cessena.. Wichita, KS the aircraft capital of the World! And home of Pizza Hut! :) Michael Hilderbrand ----- Original Message ----- From: <Joemotis@aol.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hole Finder > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com > > Hi Jim > > I found these while browsing one day, does not look like it would be hard to > duplicate. > > _http://yardstore.com/tools/strap.htm_ (http://yardstore.com/tools/strap.htm) > > Joe Motis > 601XL > > Do not archive > >


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    Time: 08:02:54 AM PST US
    From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
    Subject: Re: Hole Finder
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net> Jim, Attached are two photos of my hole finder. The metal is about .018" thick and 7 " long. The top piece could be thicker as it does not fit between the two pieces to match holes. You can see two sizes of holes for A3's and A4's (could add for A5's). As the hole wallows out from use, just snip the end and start over. Chuck D. N701TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net> Subject: Zenith-List: Hole Finder > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net> > > I've been around tools for over 60 years and thought I knew a bit about the various ones. However, ZAC has thrown me a curve telling me I will need a "hole finder" to finish the wings on the 701. Can anyone give me a source for a hole finder? Or, alternatively, plans for making one. >


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    Time: 08:41:27 AM PST US
    From: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Hole Finder
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Try the YARD, 1-800-888-8991. Item13055@$6.95 is the #40 " 13056@ " " #30 " 13057@ " " #21 " 13058@ " " #10 " 13059@ " " 1/4 in " 13060@ $29.95 for the 5 pc set. Good tools, you can drill the blind, covered hole first if location is critical, edge distance or centerline, and then locate the hole on the covering skin or part. In a message dated 6/29/2004 10:03:30 AM Central Daylight Time, cfd@thegateway.net writes: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net> > > > > I've been around tools for over 60 years and thought I knew a bit about > the various ones. However, ZAC has thrown me a curve telling me I will need > a "hole finder" to finish the wings on the 701. Can anyone give me a source > for a hole finder? Or, alternatively, plans for making one. > > >


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    Time: 10:42:26 AM PST US
    From: Rculp4@aol.com
    Subject: Order is in!
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rculp4@aol.com Hey guys: Just wanted to let everyone know that we placed the order for our full XL kit today! Hopefully for pick-up mid September So there is no turning back now! Thanks for all the great information I've spounged off of this list so far, and stand by for lots of hopefully not-too-stupid questions in the coming months/years (?) Randy and Rodney Culp do not archive


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    Time: 11:26:09 AM PST US
    From: "Greg Lamoree" <zenithlist@randomminds.com>
    Subject: Re: Order is in!
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Lamoree" <zenithlist@randomminds.com> Welcome to the club... I just started myself! ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Rculp4@aol.com >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rculp4@aol.com > >Hey guys: > >Just wanted to let everyone know that we placed the order for our full XL kit today! Hopefully for pick-up mid September > >So there is no turning back now! > >Thanks for all the great information I've spounged off of this list so far, and stand by for lots of hopefully not-too-stupid questions in the coming months/years (?) > >Randy and Rodney Culp > >do not archive > > -- -------------------------- Greg Lamoree Zodiac 601 XL www.GregsPlane.com -------------------------- --


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    Time: 12:43:54 PM PST US
    From: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: First Flight for N601EZ
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com> Contratulations Larry! If your website is any indication, that will be one work of art you are flying. I can't wait to see it some day. Take care and fly safely. David do not archive ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail


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    Time: 12:43:54 PM PST US
    From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Heavy left wing question
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> Hi Group, I was wondering... it appears that many people have that "heavy left wing" problem. Those who don't, or those who fixed it... did you noticed if you have any difference in the incidence of the left wing vs the right wing? Those who had the problem, did you measure any difference in the incidence of the two wings or are they equal. When checking a second time with the protractor, I found that the incidence of left wing is a bit less than that of the right wing. I want to readjust, but I don't know if I should make them just equal or over compensate a bit. Michel ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail


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    Time: 02:05:58 PM PST US
    From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clutch in 582
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net> Don's right and i do need to drop my rpms a bit. I just did not know how to check for wear or what maintenance was required. AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > >Jared/Michel, >see below > > >jareds wrote: > > >>>Also i've adjusted my idle to around 2100 and was wondering if there is >>>a slight spin of prop due to centrifical force or whether those of you >>>that have a clutch have a motionless prop? >>> >>> >>I have never opened my C gearbox, Jared, but someone who did told me that, >>that >>clutch is the mother of all clutches, slipping only to prevent damaging the >>crankshaft if your prop hits something. I don't thing it can slip due to >>centrifugal force. But don't take my word on it, I am only a novice and a >>bad >>listener! :-) >> >>Cheers, >>Michel >> >> >> > >Jared, > You might find you don't need to set the RPM's that high for Idle >(especially with the clutch). BTW, my RPM's sneaked up to about 2200 after my >overhaul. It caused a float/landing problem and I had to move them back down. > >Michel, > Wrong Clutch...Jared has the add on clutch that prevents the prop from >turning at low RPM's. You are talking about the coned sleeve inside the C box >(I think) > >Don Smythe >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > >


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    Time: 04:42:04 PM PST US
    From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
    Subject: Re: Heavy left wing question
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Therrien" <mtherr@yahoo.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Heavy left wing question > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> > > Hi Group, > > I was wondering... it appears that many people have > that "heavy left wing" problem. Those who don't, or > those who fixed it... did you noticed if you have any > difference in the incidence of the left wing vs the > right wing? > > Those who had the problem, did you measure any > difference in the incidence of the two wings or are > they equal. > > When checking a second time with the protractor, I > found that the incidence of left wing is a bit less > than that of the right wing. I want to readjust, but > I don't know if I should make them just equal or over > compensate a bit. > > Michel Michel, Earlier in construction of the center section, I found that my support jig had warped and the wings would have been at different angles after riveting the forward upper edge of the seat section nearest the spar. The rear fuselage was riveted also at the rear spar. I had to drill out the A4s on that row clear across, cleco and re-angle the center section and then go to A5s. There was over half an inch of difference at the rear spar as checked front to back from the front spar to the rear spar. After pushing these surfaces to equal alignment, clecoing and riveting, all was remeasured several times since and they are still equal. The plane seems to be in good trim with just me in it now. Larry


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    Time: 06:19:22 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
    Subject: 601 flight instruction
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net> Having very few hours in power planes (but a number in sailplanes and hang-gliders) in the last 20 years, I'm looking for a way to get back in the groove before my first flight, which could conceivably be September or October. It appears that the only commercial place in Canada to get possible dual in a 601 is FlyPass--unfortunately they've only got an XL on hand and that will be delivered to the customer before I can get up there. It doesn't sound like they're really enthusiastic about giving dual to anybody that hasn't bought a plane from them, anyway, their main business being sales. I contacted Zenith about the issue, and they recommended FlyPass, so that was pretty much a dead end. Does anyone have any recommendations as to what airplane might be most comprable to the Zodiac 601HD, and where dual might be available in such a craft? Of course, if you know of anyone in Canada (preferably Eastern Canada) that has a private 601 that they could give dual instruction in, that would be ideal. Many thanks, Bob Miller


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    Time: 07:39:30 PM PST US
    From: Jim <aspen1150@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: 601 flight instruction
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim <aspen1150@yahoo.com> --- Bob Miller <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" > <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net> Might try the old American Yankee...... side by side two person responsive little plane. > > Having very few hours in power planes (but a number > in sailplanes and hang-gliders) in the last 20 > years, I'm looking for a way to get back in the > groove before my first flight, which could >================================= > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail


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    Time: 08:19:52 PM PST US
    From: VideoFlyer@aol.com
    Subject: 601XL Heavy left wing
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com I've been following the thread about heavy left wings on the 601XL. It seems to be a common trait on the XL. And it also comes up often enough that I wonder if it's more than just an empty right hand seat. At any rate, I have discovered something interesting and thought I would pass it along. I am building a 601XL from a kit. I have just started working on the wings. I took the center spar and the two wing spars and bolted them together and laid them out on the floor to check the dihedral. The plans call for a 5.65 degree angle from horizontal...a 10 percent dihedral. I chalked a line on the floor and proceeded to measure. It seems like my left wing has an angle of a little more than 6 degrees...and my right wing has an angle of about 5 degrees. In other words, according to my calculations, and my chalk lines on the floor, my left wing is about an inch low, and my right wing is about an inch high. The bolt holes are drilled at the factory. Has anyone else come across this problem? Are the spars drilled on a jig of some kind at the factory? Are they all this way? Or just mine? And finally, if there are other planes out there with this same error, could that contribute to a low wing during flight? I think I will leave them the way they are. I really don't want to try to redrill with larger holes. But it seems to me that these parts should be accurately aligned from the factory. Dave Harms videoflyer@aol.com


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    Time: 08:25:23 PM PST US
    From: Joemotis@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 601XL Heavy left wing
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com Just like the bottom wing skins... Joe Motis 601XL do not archive


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    Time: 08:31:30 PM PST US
    From: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Heavy left wing question
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net> When I took a ride on the demo plane at the factory Roger said that the wing was damaged at sun n fun and they just rebuilt it and he would like to test fly it first. As I waited on the ground durning his return taxi I noticed that the trim flap was all the way in the up position. I asked him about this heavy wing problem and he really didn't have much of an answer for me. Anyway, we got talking about something else and forgot about the trim. After we both went up I noticed the trim was back to netural. Jack --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Therrien" > > Hi Group, > > I was wondering... it appears that many people have > that "heavy left wing" problem. Those who don't, or > those who fixed it... did you noticed if you have any


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    Time: 08:42:10 PM PST US
    From: Joemotis@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Heavy left wing question
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com Jack Did you happen to notice what machinery ZAC was using to drill the wing spars? Was it a C.N.C. type machine? I, personally, feel that the heavy wing is due to the empty right seat but as Dave Harms post states, he found an error of 2 inches wingtip to wingtip and that might influence the problem also. I might bolt mine together, just to see if the error repeats. Joe Motis 601XL Do not archive


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    Time: 08:44:31 PM PST US
    From: VideoFlyer@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Heavy left wing question
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com Joe....let me know what you find out. I would be very interested. I don't recall seeing any CNC equipment at the ZAC factory. Dave


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    Time: 09:26:43 PM PST US
    From: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Heavy left wing question
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net> Joe: I was surprised on how antiquated the factory was. I guess I was expecting to see some big presses. Instead I found that they even build the ribs by hand just as a scratch builder would. I did check into the bottom skin jig and I saw how easy it would be to mistake. It is basically just a flat bar frame with holes which is just laid on the skins. I am did not see the wing jig but I would bet it is the same. Now for the good news. I think zenith turns out a pretty good kit at a pretty good price with the machinery they have (compared to RV's for example). Shirley did mention that they were working on getting the machinery to do match drilling. Maybe she meant they would invest in a longer drill bit to go through 2 pieces at once! Jack do not archive Joemotis@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com Jack Did you happen to notice what machinery ZAC was using to drill the wing spars? Was it a C.N.C. type machine? I, personally, feel that the heavy wing is due to the empty right seat but as Dave Harms post states, he found an error of 2 inches wingtip to wingtip and that might influence the problem also. I might bolt mine together, just to see if the error repeats. Joe Motis 601XL Do not archive j


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    Time: 09:58:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Jabiru 3300 Install on 601
    From: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net> Hello List, I=B9ve just about completed my 601-XL firewall and decided to check the engine mount . I have the Jabiru 3300 firewall forward kit from Jabiru, not the Jabiru firewall forward kit from ZAC. There are some obvious differences in how the engine mount attaches to the firewall. The current ZAC drawings show flat metal tabs that the 6B6-5 and 6B6-4 engine mount fittings bolt through. The Jabiru supplied mount has tubing where the bolts that are pre-attached to the 6B6-5 and 6B6-4 would appear to insert directly into except: 1. The bolts are not long enough, being nearly 1/4 inch shy of even protruding through the tubing. 2. The bolt o.d. Is much narrower than the tubing i.d. Which might seem to imply a bushing is required. The Jabiru installation documentation is not as extensive as the ZAC documentation (boy =AD I thought I=B9d never be saying something like that!), having virtually no description of attaching the engine mount to the firewall. Has anyone on list have this same configuration and been through this already? If so, could you please provide clarification on how you attached the engine mount to the firewall? Thank you. DO NOT ARCHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Completed Right Wing Completed Right Wing Tip Completed Left Wing Completed Right Wing Tip Completed Fuselage Under Construction NOTE: Heavy SPAM filters in place. Replies that do not include the word 'Zenith' or 'Zodiac' will be rejected and will not be viewable by me.


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    Time: 11:32:54 PM PST US
    From: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Jabiru 3300 Install on 601
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com> --- Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne > <ac6qj@earthlink.net> > I have the Jabiru 3300 firewall forward kit > from Jabiru, > 1. The bolts are not long enough, being nearly 1/4 > inch shy of even > protruding through the tubing. > 2. The bolt o.d. Is much narrower than the tubing > i.d. Which might seem to > imply a bushing is required. Ray-- You should find in the FWF kit (mine's from Pete in Wisc) that the "nuts" are long sleeves, inside-threaded, with a lip and hex-flats on one end, that reach thru the tube on the mount. These "nuts" seemed very thin to me, but that's what was sent. New question: Has anyone else drilled those nuts for safety wire?? [Fred, you there?] --Rico, XL-3300, Kansas City Slugworks West __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail


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    Time: 11:38:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Jabiru 3300 Install on 601
    From: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
    --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net> On 6/29/04 11:32 PM, "Rico Voss" <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote: > You should find in the FWF kit (mine's from Pete in > Wisc) that the "nuts" are long sleeves, > inside-threaded, with a lip and hex-flats on one end, > that reach thru the tube on the mount. > Thanks Rico! I'll dig deeper in the box but I fear that I may have to re-order them. I experienced a burglary in my garage a few months back and these may have disappeared along with my tools... DO NOT ARCHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA =========================================================================== Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Completed Right Wing Completed Right Wing Tip Completed Left Wing Completed Right Wing Tip Completed Fuselage Under Construction NOTE: Heavy SPAM filters in place. Replies that do not include the word 'Zenith' or 'Zodiac' will be rejected and will not be viewable by me. ===========================================================================




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