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1. 12:22 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:34 AM - 601 Flight Instruction (Bob Miller)
3. 04:01 AM - Norm Turner (Bob Miller)
4. 05:17 AM - Re: Fuel sender for header tank (Randy Stout)
5. 05:56 AM - Re: Thrust on engine (baileys)
6. 06:27 AM - Re: Thrust on engine (Thomas F Marson)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: Thrust on engine (Thomas F Marson)
8. 06:27 AM - Re: Thrust on engine (Thomas F Marson)
9. 06:31 AM - Re: Thrust on engine (Thomas F Marson)
10. 07:41 AM - WigWag Lighting, How-to (Larry Martin)
11. 10:12 AM - Re: Do I still need my workbench? (Bryan Martin)
12. 10:46 AM - Re: Stratus Oil Filter (Bryan Martin)
13. 12:56 PM - Re: Thrust on engine (Paul Moore)
14. 01:16 PM - Re: Stratus Oil Filter (Paul Moore)
15. 02:06 PM - N633Z will be on display at the EAA tent at the Arlington Airshow!!! (xl)
16. 04:06 PM - Just yesterday.... (Jon Croke)
17. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: A bit more on heavy left wing problem (Michel Therrien)
18. 05:24 PM - Looking for Bob Stewart (Cdngoose)
19. 06:40 PM - New pictures on web site. (Michel Therrien)
20. 09:56 PM - Re: WigWag Lighting, How-to (Winston Ellis)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
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| Subject: | 601 Flight Instruction |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Thanks again, everybody, for your input on instruction. Our buddy Norm Taylor
in Australia suggested the flight sim, says it was very helpful when he was preparing
for his first flight. Anybody know how to get the Zodiac module, and
which version of Flight Simulator is best with it?
Below is the exchange with the outfit in Georgia, which sounds very promising.
Again, their link is http://www.philsflying.com/contact.html
Yes, the two planes are extremely similar in their flight characteristics. I haven't
flown the HD personally, but I did build and fly an HDS.
We are certainly happy to get you some Alarus time. We have 4 of these wonderful
planes in our fleet. Three are in Atlanta, and the other near Augusta. I
would also recommend that you participate in the EAA Flight Advisor program.
This program helps you make an assessment of best course of action toward a successful
first flight in your homebuilt.
Best Regards,
Phil Polstra
From: Bob Miller [mailto:drmiller@cvillepsychology.net]
Subject: flight instruction
Hi,
I'm preparing for the first flight of the Zenith 601HD I"m building, and understand
the Alarus flies much like it. Do you agree, and if so can I get instruction
through your operation?
Thanks,
Bob Miller
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
In my last posting on flight instruction, I somehow put Norm Turner's last name
as Taylor. Out of respect for him, I want to make the correction. This is a
guy who thinks nothing of jumping in his 601 and making 1500+ km flights over
some of the most inhospitable territory in the world. He's also the guy who
put all of our high bandwidth speculation to the test by actually covering his
aileron gaps with tape and making flight tests, reporting significant improvements
in performance. He's the last guy I'd want to dis. Sorry, Norm, if you're
reading this, and thanks again for your contributions.
Bob
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| Subject: | Fuel sender for header tank |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Trevor
Check out www.cruzpro.com I have one of the fuel gauges on my header. You
can program alarms for low fuel. It works with most senders. Boat shops
will have compatible senders.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations regarding a fuel gauge/sender for
> the 16gal header tank in my 601HD?
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust on engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
What is the RPM range and what prop are you using? Just curious. Thanks,
Bob B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Thrust on engine
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> I just did some thrust testing on my XL with the 80hp and the 110 hp
> Harley motor. I was happy with both motors and thought they did very
> well. But I was wanting to know what some of you are getting on your
> motors.
> The 80hp. was 320 to 330 lbs of thrust.
> The 110hp was 410 lbs at a climb setting on the prop. and 390 lbs on
> the cruise setting.
> We tested a KR2 with a 100hp Cont. and he was getting 290 lbs.
> I would really like to know what the 912 has.
>
> Thanks
> Brett Ray
> www.hog-air.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust on engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Thrust on engine
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> I just did some thrust testing on my XL with the 80hp and the 110 hp
> Harley motor. I was happy with both motors and thought they did very
> well. But I was wanting to know what some of you are getting on your
> motors.
> The 80hp. was 320 to 330 lbs of thrust.
> The 110hp was 410 lbs at a climb setting on the prop. and 390 lbs on
> the cruise setting.
> We tested a KR2 with a 100hp Cont. and he was getting 290 lbs.
> I would really like to know what the 912 has.
>
> Thanks
> Brett Ray
> www.hog-air.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust on engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Thrust on engine
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> I just did some thrust testing on my XL with the 80hp and the 110 hp
> Harley motor. I was happy with both motors and thought they did very
> well. But I was wanting to know what some of you are getting on your
> motors.
> The 80hp. was 320 to 330 lbs of thrust.
> The 110hp was 410 lbs at a climb setting on the prop. and 390 lbs on
> the cruise setting.
> We tested a KR2 with a 100hp Cont. and he was getting 290 lbs.
> I would really like to know what the 912 has.
>
> Thanks
> Brett Ray
> www.hog-air.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust on engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Thrust on engine
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> I just did some thrust testing on my XL with the 80hp and the 110 hp
> Harley motor. I was happy with both motors and thought they did very
> well. But I was wanting to know what some of you are getting on your
> motors.
> The 80hp. was 320 to 330 lbs of thrust.
> The 110hp was 410 lbs at a climb setting on the prop. and 390 lbs on
> the cruise setting.
> We tested a KR2 with a 100hp Cont. and he was getting 290 lbs.
> I would really like to know what the 912 has.
>
> Thanks
> Brett Ray
> www.hog-air.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust on engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
General rule of thumb is 4 lb of thrust per horsepower. I get 375 lb on a
Cont 85, Warp Drive 2 blade prop of 70 diameter. The blade pitch is set for
2400 rpm static.
YOu will find actual static thrust will vary a lot depending on wind at test
site. Any head wind will reduce the thrust as will a side wind. Visualize
100 mph head wind (of course theoritical) and thrust would be near zero.
So for best results test with zero or little wind.
Tom Marson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Thrust on engine
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> I just did some thrust testing on my XL with the 80hp and the 110 hp
> Harley motor. I was happy with both motors and thought they did very
> well. But I was wanting to know what some of you are getting on your
> motors.
> The 80hp. was 320 to 330 lbs of thrust.
> The 110hp was 410 lbs at a climb setting on the prop. and 390 lbs on
> the cruise setting.
> We tested a KR2 with a 100hp Cont. and he was getting 290 lbs.
> I would really like to know what the 912 has.
>
> Thanks
> Brett Ray
> www.hog-air.com
>
>
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| Subject: | WigWag Lighting, How-to |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
I added a new page to my site on how to wire WigWag Lighting. I thought some of
the list might want to install it. I try to add a page a day to my site, so
many of them still don't work.
http://www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/wigwag.html
See Ya, Larry N1345L
Take a look at my site. www.angelfire.com/un/701
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| Subject: | Re: Do I still need my workbench? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 7/1/04 8:46 PM, Gig Giacona at wr.giacona@cox-internet.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
>
> I'm at 6-B-11 of the construction manual. It says to "lower the fuselage off
> the bench... " I don't have room to have both the bench and the fuselage on
> the lower saw horses and it will not be convenant to move it out and back
> more than once.
>
> Tail's done, Wings Done.
>
> So my question is "Am I done with the bench?"
>
> GigG
> www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> ---
>
Once you get the main sections of the fuselage done and assembled, you won't
need that big bench anymore. You can get by with a small bench up against a
wall.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Getting the paperwork in order.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus Oil Filter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 7/1/04 4:38 PM, Paul Moore at pmoore505@msn.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
>
> Larry, I am not familiar with the Stratus oil filter setup but am running a
> Subaru EA-71 on a 7/8 Tiger Moth replica, so if they use the standard Sub
> setup, this should apply. Look closely at the large supply of oil filters
> at the parts store and you will notice there are only two basic types when
> referring to the 'mounting' hole and gasket - a larger threaded hole with a
>>
>
> Paul
> 601 XL New Mexico
The problem people are facing with the Stratus EA81 oil filter setup is that
there is very little clearance between the oil filter and the engine mount.
Any filter longer than about 2 1/2 inches will not fit.
I just ordered several of the Wix 51065 filters for my engine but what they
actually sent me were Wix 57035. This filter is the same size as the 51065.
The only difference I could find is that the internal structure is
different. This filter seems to be more readily available than the 51065,
maybe it's the the "improved" version that replaced the 51065 that Wix no
longer makes.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Getting the paperwork in order.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust on engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
Brett, how are you measuring thrust? Spring scale to a fence post or is it
more complicated than that? BTW, nice engines! I imagine the HD engine's
high torque curve helps with the thrust, eh?
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus Oil Filter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
Understood Bryan. Once the threaded hole and gasket surfaces match up,
simply pick out a filter that physically meets the needs of the available
space. I have a spin on filter on my '57 Harley that fits onto a dune buggy
spin-on adapter (generic, not Harley specific) that is only 1 3/4" in
diameter and about 2" in length. I have no idea what it was originally
designed to fit, but is a standard Fram filter.
Paul
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| Subject: | N633Z will be on display at the EAA tent at the Arlington |
Airshow!!!
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
Hi again group!!!
I'm excited! EAA asked Zenith to display a Zodiac CH601XL at their main
tent at the Flyin and Zenith chose N633Z! It's hard for me to believe it.
I can't be at AWO Wed, Thu or Fri but I hope the weather lets me get the
plane there on Tuesday. I plan to be there Sat + Sun. Hope to see some of
my fellow Zodiac builders.
I hope to have my building video running on a portable DVD player.
One frame a minute played back at 15 frames/second. The plane gets
built in about 40 minutes. I also have a nice set of building photos.
Cheers, Joe Edwards
N633Z @ BFI
64 hours
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| Subject: | Just yesterday.... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Just yesterday I noticed that www.Ch601.org has added a LOT of new
additions....
very impressive and useful even if you are building something other than a
601! (tools, tips, engines and even an instrument panel builder!)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: A bit more on heavy left wing problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hi gang!
Yesterday, I went back to the airport, measured the
incidence of both wings.. I had a noticeable
difference and as a result, I lowered the left wing
rear Z by 5/32.
To do this, I detached the wing from the centerwing.
Replaced the part 6V7-7 (rear Z splice plate, outboard
wing section). I drilled the new one with the 1/4"
hole 5/32 higher, making sure to account for the 6.5
degree diheral of the wing. Drilling out the rivets
from the back and from inside the wing through the
lightening holes was quite "fun".
After re-installing the wing, I replaced the front
attachment plate 6V8-4.
The plane flew today for nearly 3 hours. The pilot
said he can now balance the aircraft using the aileron
trim at its nearly full deflection (much better than
last week). While he recommends waiting to test with
a "passenger load" before touching anything, I feel
like making some more corrections by raising the right
wing rear Z. I'd like this plane to fly without any
trim input.
Michel
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Looking for Bob Stewart |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Sorry for this post to the list.
But could BOB STEWART please E-Mail me directly, I have lost your
E-Mail address and I would like to ask you a few questions on the
carburetor you made for your 701.
Please reply to 601xl@sympatico.ca
Sorry again List for this personal post.
Do not archive
Mark Townsend
601XL EJ 2.2L
Alma, Ontario
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | New pictures on web site. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hi Group, I added a series of new hi-res pictures on
my web site (today's flights).
Michel
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: WigWag Lighting, How-to |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Winston Ellis <w1mdi@cox-internet.com>
Larry
Where are you putting your landing lights?
Winston Ellis
CH701/Suzuki
Larry Martin wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
>
> I added a new page to my site on how to wire WigWag Lighting.
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