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1. 05:00 AM - Navel Jelly and 4130 (Keith Ashcraft)
2. 06:24 AM - Correct on web site. (Larry Martin)
3. 06:29 AM - Re: Navel Jelly and 41300.1 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: HTML title contains no text (jnbolding1)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Another First Flight (Larry McFarland)
5. 07:02 AM - 601 fuse skins (The Minearts)
6. 08:11 AM - Re: 601 fuse skins (Jack Russell)
7. 09:36 AM - Re: 601 fuse skins (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
8. 10:01 AM - Re: 601 fuse skins (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
9. 11:16 AM - Re: Navel Jelly and 4130 0.1 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: HTML title contains no text (Bill Howerton)
10. 11:42 AM - forming blocks ()
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| Subject: | Navel Jelly and 4130 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Zenith builders,
I know that there is not a lot of 4130 steel in the 701 and 601, but I
am asking upon your guy's expertise. I have acquired a Sidewinder steel
fuselage, to build as my second plane ( the 701 being the first). It has
surface rust on it, and I have been doing a lot of scrubing with
scotch-brite pads. I have heard about trying not to use a metal-on-metal
type of scrubber/cleanser. What do you think about using Navel Jelly on
the frame, and then clean it off, and finish up with say 120-200 grit
sandpaper? I then want to get a coat of some type of cheap paint that
will help keep the rust down while I store it outside and finish my
CH701. Is Rust-O-lieum (sp?) any good to help prevent rust for a few
months out in the dry 30% humity air in Colorado?
Thanks guys!!
Keith
CH701
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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| Subject: | Correct on web site. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Correction on my web site. I left out the "ch". The correct address is www.angelfire.com/un/ch701.
Larry N1345L
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| Subject: | Re: Navel Jelly and 41300.1 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
What do you think about using Navel Jelly on
>the frame, and then clean it off, and finish up with say 120-200 grit
>sandpaper? I then want to get a coat of some type of cheap paint that
>will help keep the rust down while I store it outside and finish my
>CH701. Is Rust-O-lieum (sp?) any good to help prevent rust for a few
>months out in the dry 30% humity air in Colorado?
Instead of all that trouble why not coat it with LPS3 put it on blocks to keep
it off the ground and throw a cover over it, wooks for me on the gufl coast so
should be fine where you are . LOW&Slow John
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Congratulations Jeff,
The transition from building to flying is an exciting time.
and it is worth it.
Fly safe.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Reuschle" <jreuschle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Another First Flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle"
<jreuschle@mindspring.com>
>
> Another bird has flown the Coop. N701JR took to the air today and climbed
like a homesick angel.
>
> Chris Heintz designs a sweet plane. Outside of a heavy left wing (a common
trait) , she flew well. I think that 40 hours in a small box will get a
little old since both my EAA chapters here are out of my area but I'll get
through it.
>
> Thanks for all the good ideas and advice I've gleaned from all on the
list. Keep pulling those rivets, it's worth it!
>
> Tailwinds,
>
> Jeff Reuschle
> N701JR
> 912ULS
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts" <smineart@kdsi.net>
I see what you mean about the manual becoming more and more vague as one progresses.
I can't find how to locate the foreward side skins, i.e. how much to overlap
over the aft ones. It seems like there is plenty of excess length but still
feel uncertain. Anyone have recommendations?
Steve M.
601XL, tail & wings done, mid fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: 601 fuse skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Steve: I don't think that the overlap matters since you will have to trim the skin
anyway. Just make sure that you have it flush with the top longerons and enough
extending past the firewall to trim to specs. Eventually you will trim the
rear to a 20mm overlap to keep your 10mm rivet edge. Jack Russell
The Minearts <smineart@kdsi.net> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The
Minearts"
I see what you mean about the manual becoming more and more vague as one progresses.
I can't find how to locate the foreward side skins, i.e. how much to overlap
over the aft ones. It seems like there is plenty of excess length but still
feel uncertain. Anyone have recommendations?
Steve M.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 fuse skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
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N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Waiting on the paperwork.
do not archive
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts"
>
> I see what you mean about the manual becoming more and more vague as one
> progresses. I can't find how to locate the foreward side skins, i.e. how much
> to overlap over the aft ones. It seems like there is plenty of excess length
> but still feel uncertain. Anyone have recommendations?
> Steve M.
> 601XL, tail & wings done, mid fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 fuse skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
You need to trim the side skins at both ends anyway. Just leave enough at the back
to trim for a 20mm overlap with the rear skins. Leave most of the excess hanging
past the firewall, you need a wide flange there to attach the cowling.
The overhang past the firewall needs to be wide enough to get your Dzeus fasteners
in with acceptable edge clearance an still narrow enough to be able to remove
the cowl without removing the propeller. Another thing that is a bit unclear
in the plans is that there will be a large triangular shaped overlap of the
side skins with the cabin floor skin.
--
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Waiting on the paperwork.
do not archive
> -------------- Original message --------------
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> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts"
> >
> > I see what you mean about the manual becoming more and more vague as one
> > progresses. I can't find how to locate the foreward side skins, i.e. how much
> > to overlap over the aft ones. It seems like there is plenty of excess length
> > but still feel uncertain. Anyone have recommendations?
> > Steve M.
> > 601XL, tail & wings done, mid fuselage
You need to trim the side skins at both ends anyway. Just leave enough at the back
to trim for a 20mm overlap with the rear skins. Leave most of the excess hanging
past the firewall, you need a wide flange there to attach the cowling.
The overhang past the firewall needs to be wide enough to get your Dzeus fasteners
in with acceptable edge clearance an still narrow enough to be able to remove
the cowl without removing the propeller. Another thing that is a bit unclear
in the plans is that there will be a large triangular shaped overlap of the
side skins with the cabin floor skin.
--
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Waiting on the paperwork.
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts"
I see what you mean about the manual becoming more and more vague as one
progresses. I can't find how to locate the foreward side skins, i.e. how much
to overlap over the aft ones. It seems like there is plenty of excess length
but still feel uncertain. Anyone have recommendations?
Steve M.
601XL, tail wings done, mid fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Navel Jelly and 4130 0.1 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Keith,
I also live in Colorado, and I have made a point of painting each of
my steel parts with Rust-Oleum (sp?) before putting them out in my storage
box outside, and I'll tell you, I have yet to see any corrosion on any of
them.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Ashcraft" <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Navel Jelly and 4130 0.1 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: HTML
title contains no text
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
>
>
> Zenith builders,
> I know that there is not a lot of 4130 steel in the 701 and 601, but I
> am asking upon your guy's expertise. I have acquired a Sidewinder steel
> fuselage, to build as my second plane ( the 701 being the first). It has
> surface rust on it, and I have been doing a lot of scrubing with
> scotch-brite pads. I have heard about trying not to use a metal-on-metal
> type of scrubber/cleanser. What do you think about using Navel Jelly on
> the frame, and then clean it off, and finish up with say 120-200 grit
> sandpaper? I then want to get a coat of some type of cheap paint that
> will help keep the rust down while I store it outside and finish my
> CH701. Is Rust-O-lieum (sp?) any good to help prevent rust for a few
> months out in the dry 30% humity air in Colorado?
>
> Thanks guys!!
>
> Keith
> CH701
> N 38.9947
> W 105.1305
> Alt. 9,100'
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Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 13:38:57 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
Having decided (with great trepidation) to try plans-building my 601XL fuselage,
I was wondering if anybody has a firewall forming block they would like to sell,
rent, loan out, give away, or otherwise dispose of? I'd like to make my firewall
of SS. Ray Huffman of Prairie Village KS (He's not on the net, but just
this side of final inspection) built one for his HD, and I'd like to emulate
his.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL, Corvair power
Tail, wings done, taking deeeeeep breath before
starting fuselage.
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