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1. 05:28 AM - Re: 601XL FWF weight savings with TD option? (Mitch Hines)
2. 11:13 AM - I've ofically started...(I guess) (Rick Roberts)
3. 12:51 PM - 701 dumb a** question (baileys)
4. 03:05 PM - 601 XL Inspection Hatches ()
5. 04:04 PM - Re: 601 XL Inspection Hatches (Larry McFarland)
6. 04:32 PM - Re: 601 XL Inspection Hatches (Jeffrey Davidson)
7. 08:46 PM - Re: 701 dumb a** question (Jim Fosse)
8. 08:58 PM - Re: 701 dumb a** question (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
9. 09:43 PM - Re: fuel sender in header tank question (Trevor Page)
10. 10:15 PM - Re: U.S.A Trip (Dave & Darlene)
11. 10:32 PM - Re: 601 XL Inspection Hatches (Bob Reinero)
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL FWF weight savings with TD option? |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mitch Hines <mitch@cybersector.com>
Hi Ron,
Thanks for the info. Those arguments sound like a compelling reason to get a
Tail wheel endorsement. I haven't committed to building yet, but my first
annual ( two years ago )in my 39 year old Alon Aircoupe resulted in a major
overhaul among other things and cost enough to buy the entire XL kit
including shipping....and as much as I like the 'Coupe, it is still 39 years
old and I now have way more into it than I could ever hope to get out. But I
could certainly get enough to get the XL kit and build a WW Vair conversion.
So maybe......
Good luck with your project and thanks again for the feedback,
Mitch
Mitch Hines
Alon A-2 Aircoupe
N6369V
Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical
and insignificant, if not utterly impossible.
- Simon Newcomb, 1902
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On Monday 05 July 2004 10:25 pm, Ron DeWees wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
>
> HI Mitch,
> I am building a 601 HDS TD and I have looked at the stack of nosegear parts
> that I am omitting. THere is a lot of weight and drag in the nosewheel
> assembly. I would conservatively guess 15# minimum, but the advantage
> doesn't stop there.........
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| Subject: | I've ofically started...(I guess) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Roberts <n701rr@yahoo.com>
Building a web page is harder than building a plane!
www.geocities.com/n701rr
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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| Subject: | 701 dumb a** question |
Rule breakdown below pts rule name
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
Ref Page 7-V-3 Date 03/2004
Regarding the riveting of spar tip 7V3-3 to the spar.
The illustration titled "Top View of Left Wing"
Says "6 A4 rivets 4 in web top and bottom in cap" which I understand. Then
it says "one A4 top and bottom" (in the cap and the spar tip) Since the web
doesn't extend that far isn't there a gap between the cap and the spar tip?
Wouldn't it be better to slip a 0.025" spacer in between the two parts? Am
I missing something obvious?
Thanks,
Bob B. 701 - #7-5552
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| Subject: | 601 XL Inspection Hatches |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <pstafford@attglobal.net>
I have searched the archives for guidance on access panels for the fuselage
wings, etc. and can find no definitive help. Does anyone have a design for
inspection panels and their locations that they would like to share? Has
anyone submitted a hatch design to Zenith and received approval?
Patrick M. Stafford
601XL - Fuselage 50%, vertical stabilizer 100%, horizontal stabilizer 20%
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Inspection Hatches |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Inspection Hatches
Does anyone have a design for
> inspection panels and their locations that they would like to share? >
> Patrick M. Stafford
Patrick,
You might look at my website and you'll find under wing/inspection plates
pictures of a design that I made and they work great. No complexity
either.
I did turn the edges of the .025 down to fit the hole so centering in the
hole leaves 1/2-inch overlap.
When you cut an inspection hole, use a fly-cutter after you locate the
center and
drill it. Then do the fly-cutter manually, not with a drill.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS and pictures @ www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Inspection Hatches |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Davidson" <jeffrey.davidson@earthlink.net>
Patrick,
I can tell you that I asked this question of Nick Heintz at Oshkosh one
year. His response was that ZAC did not have any specific recommendations
in this area. His advice was just to put access holes "where you needed
one". We were standing next to a 601 and he made several suggestions based
on access to the nav lights installation on that specific wing tip. And you
are right, I don't remember much discussion on this issue on the list so it
probably is one that individual builders normally decide for themselves.
The needed locations may become much more obvious when you get further into
the wings or install control, fuel, and electrical systems.
Jeff Davidson
>
> I have searched the archives for guidance on access panels for the
fuselage
> wings, etc. and can find no definitive help. Does anyone have a design
for
> inspection panels and their locations that they would like to share? Has
> anyone submitted a hatch design to Zenith and received approval?
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 dumb a** question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
I don't think you're missing anything. I had the same question and
went ahead and put a shim in. Don't know if it was the right thing to
do but I did it anyway. It just seemed like a no-brainer need.
I've noticed other instances where ZAC is content with having overlaps
like this without shimming.
Jim Fosse, Goreville, IL
----- Original Message -----
From: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 dumb a** question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
Ref Page 7-V-3 Date 03/2004
Regarding the riveting of spar tip 7V3-3 to the spar.
The illustration titled "Top View of Left Wing"
Says "6 A4 rivets 4 in web top and bottom in cap" which I understand.
Then
it says "one A4 top and bottom" (in the cap and the spar tip) Since
the web
doesn't extend that far isn't there a gap between the cap and the spar
tip?
Wouldn't it be better to slip a 0.025" spacer in between the two
parts? Am
I missing something obvious?
Thanks,
Bob B. 701 - #7-5552
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| Subject: | Re: 701 dumb a** question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 7/8/2004 2:51:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
baileys@ktis.net writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
>
>
> Ref Page 7-V-3 Date 03/2004
> Regarding the riveting of spar tip 7V3-3 to the spar.
> The illustration titled "Top View of Left Wing"
> Says "6 A4 rivets 4 in web top and bottom in cap" which I understand. Then
> it says "one A4 top and bottom" (in the cap and the spar tip) Since the web
> doesn't extend that far isn't there a gap between the cap and the spar tip?
> Wouldn't it be better to slip a 0.025" spacer in between the two parts? Am
> I missing something obvious?
> Thanks,
> Bob B. 701 - #7-5552
>
Bob, You are reading it right. I paused at that point too. The A4s pulled the
parts together nicely,, and the gap was gone.
The assy manual has guidance for the use of shims to help in the fit of
things. Usefull info several times so far.
701SP Fire wall & fuselage in work, tail done, wings 90%, engine at ready.
come visit, Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: fuel sender in header tank question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Well, I did it!
My sender is now side mounted and thanks to your little backing plate
design it worked perfectly. I do say however that I was sweating it a
bit putting the backing plate in, I didn't want to drop it inside the
tank!
Anyhow, its all good now.
Thanks!
Trev
On Jul 7, 2004, at 9:51 AM, Trevor Page wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> Thanks Scott, your circle with the cut out is is a clever little trick
> and just what I need to make a proper backing plate.
>
> I fell better about doing a side mount now!
>
> Trevor
>
> On Jul 7, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Scott Laughlin wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
>> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Hello Trevor:
>>
>> I made an internal flange from 1/8" 6061-T6 aluminum. I just cut out
>> a hole
>> with a hole saw on my drill and kept the "hole" part. (I can't
>> remember
>> what size, but it was about the same size as the top of the sending
>> unit.)
>> A small hole was cut first with a smaller hole saw to allow the
>> sending unit
>> to go through.
>>
>> Then I cut a "wedge" in the circle so it would fit in the hole I cut
>> for the
>> tank. I then carefully marked the hole locations and drilled and
>> tapped for
>> machine screws I picked up a Lowes.
>>
>> Next I Marked the holes in the tank top, and drilled slightly larger
>> holes
>> for the mounting screws. I then had to position the flange on the
>> inside
>> and glue it on place. It just has to hold long enough to get the
>> sender in
>> place and screwed.
>>
>> The sender had to be carefully modified to work correctly in the top,
>> but
>> you need to do this also if it is mounted on the side. Here' s a
>> photo of
>> the parts just before installation:
>>
>> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/3_5_03_SenderParts.JPG
>>
>> I did this twice (two wing tanks) and it was much easier the second
>> time
>> around. Here's what it looks like with the hole in the wing:
>>
>> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/5_30_04_Wingholes.JPG
>>
>> I used "liquid steel" which is sort of a shoe-goo type product from
>> Wal-Mart
>> or Lowes, then put duct tape over it to further protect against
>> chafing. I
>> had to grind down the center post and also remove one of the nuts -
>> there
>> are two on top - and I had enough clearance to not need a dome-type
>> access
>> plate. Here's what it looks like with the plate clecod in place:
>>
>> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/3_7_04_Access.JPG
>>
>> The only caution I will add is that my sending unit wasn't getting a
>> good
>> ground, so I took it all apart and welded the extension arm to the top
>> part.
>> The two parts are supposed to make contact, but there's a rubber
>> insulator
>> on my sending units that allows a little separation. I installed and
>> removed the unit in each tank several times before I got it just right
>> so it
>> would read empty and full all the way to the stops on the gauge. You
>> will
>> want to use your gauge for this test with a 12v power supply before
>> closing
>> everything up.
>>
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Scott Laughlin
>> www.cooknwithgas.com
>>
>>
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> From: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>>
>> I've purchased a fuel sender (with float) and fuel gauge similar to a
>> VDO unit but I'm worried about the gasket seal on this thing.
>>
>> I'm considering the side-mounted installation but that thin cork
>> gasket and
>> lack of an
>> internal "flange" makes me think this thing will leak.
>>
>> Trevor
>>
>> download!
>> http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/
>>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
Hi Kevin
No, I never used them as I couldn't get them to open in anything that I had
on my machine. I ended up buying a small Cad program that works fine for all
of this and am using it now. Sorry about the mix up with the e-mail thing. I
was talking to a few guys and got mixed up with who I was chatting with.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: U.S.A Trip
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
>
> Dave
>
> Dave did you use the CAD drawings I sent you to make your blocks? I never
> heard anything from you about them. Did you get them? I made a comment in
an
> earlier message that you owed me one, and you didn't seem to know what I
was
> talking about. I meant to email you again to explain but didn't.
>
> Kevin Bonds
> Nashville Tn
> Zenithair Zodiac 601XL plansbuilder; rudder complete;
> almost done with forming blocks;
> making parts for elevator
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: U.S.A Trip
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene"
> <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
> >
> > The wife and I decided it was time for a bit of a break and we're
heading
> south. We'll be heading into the USA at the bottom end of Alberta, head
down
> towards Vegas for a couple days, then head back up the coast towards
> Vancouver. This is are intended route but may change. The reason I'm
posting
> this is because I'll be in the market for picking up some metal if I can
> find out where I can grab it in short notice as we're leaving monday
night.
> It's going to be a quick trip as time is limited. I would consider buying
> off one of you builders. E-mail me off line if you have a suggestion.
> >
> > Dave (Alberta)
> > dnimigon@telusplanet.net
> > XL Plans Only
> > Rudder & Stab parts almost made
> > Wing forms done
> > Waiting on more metal
> > 99% to go
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Inspection Hatches |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Reinero" <reineros@pacbell.net>
Patrick
I have the same concerns about inspection panels for bell cranks etc. They
would be a help in doing the annual too. I have also thought about using
solid rivets were possible and the inspection panels would allow access for
bucking rivets at least on the wings
Pleas keep us posted if you hear any suggestions.
----- Original Message -----
From: <pstafford@attglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Inspection Hatches
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <pstafford@attglobal.net>
>
> I have searched the archives for guidance on access panels for the
fuselage
> wings, etc. and can find no definitive help. Does anyone have a design
for
> inspection panels and their locations that they would like to share? Has
> anyone submitted a hatch design to Zenith and received approval?
>
> Patrick M. Stafford
>
> 601XL - Fuselage 50%, vertical stabilizer 100%, horizontal stabilizer 20%
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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