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1. 03:36 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (Trevor Page)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: 701 & 912S throttle control (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (caspainhower@aep.com)
4. 06:24 AM - Manual aileron trim (Bob Miller)
5. 06:50 AM - Jab 3300 Octane requirement (charles.long@gm.com)
6. 07:13 AM - Cheap and good clamps... (Bima, Martin)
7. 07:21 AM - Re: Manual aileron trim (john H)
8. 08:18 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (88tierra)
9. 09:17 AM - Re: 701 & 912S throttle control (rbauer@intergate.com)
10. 10:00 AM - Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? (C P)
11. 10:26 AM - Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? ()
12. 10:42 AM - Zinc Chrmate source? (Fred Sanford)
13. 10:46 AM - Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? (Richard McLachlan)
14. 10:57 AM - Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (Bima, Martin)
15. 10:58 AM - Re: VDO sender (gary)
16. 11:04 AM - Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? (Hinde, Frank George)
17. 11:05 AM - Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? (Hinde, Frank George)
18. 11:49 AM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (Scott Laughlin)
19. 12:43 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (cgalley)
20. 12:53 PM - Photo Coverage of Burt Rutan's Space Ship & Trip into space - First home built in space (Philip Condon)
21. 01:01 PM - invitation for innovations (Foul Fitting Fuel Filler Fix) (Scott Laughlin)
22. 01:34 PM - Re: invitation for innovations (Foul Fitting Fuel Filler Fix) (Hinde, Frank George)
23. 01:36 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (Hinde, Frank George)
24. 04:37 PM - Re: Jab 3300 Octane requirement (Jeff Small)
25. 04:53 PM - Re: Jab 3300 Octane requirement (Hinde, Frank George)
26. 05:18 PM - Re: Zinc Chrmate source? (Joemotis@aol.com)
27. 06:25 PM - Re: Zinc Chrmate source? (Cdngoose)
28. 06:33 PM - Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? (Thomas F Marson)
29. 08:12 PM - 601XL wing root coordinates for cutting skins (Mark Stauffer)
30. 08:27 PM - Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? (Randy Hart)
31. 08:30 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (Randy Hart)
32. 09:02 PM - Re: Foul Fitting Fuel Filler Fix (Carlos Sa)
33. 10:15 PM - Re: 601XL wing root coordinates for cutting skins (xl)
34. 10:24 PM - Progress Report for N282RS (Randy Stout)
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| Subject: | Re: invitation for innovations |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Oh, where can I get the aileron trim info easily?
Trev
On Jul 11, 2004, at 10:25 PM, Bob Miller wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
> <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
>
> Over the years a number of people have reported innovative design mods
> for the Zodiac. One example that stands out in my mind, and that I'm
> incorporating, is the Barry Mayne's bungee system for manually
> adjusting aileron trim. Elegant, inexpensive, and failsafe (in that
> if anything breaks, there's no danger). Another is the aileron gap
> seals that Norm Turner tested and found to boost cruise and lower
> stall speed by several knots.
>
> I know some of my own ideas are a little off-the-wall, but the
> experimental part is a huge part of the interest for many of us and
> that's why I run them by the list. What other mods have people
> tried and liked, or simply heard about?
>
> Maybe we should start a fund to award to the idea voted best so far.
> I'll contribute $25 if anyone is interested.
> Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 701 & 912S throttle control |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I'm not sure what your splitter looks like but, maybe you can drill it out for
the larger size wire?
The Stratus has dual Bing carbs like the Rotax, Zenith sent me two cables and several
feet of cable tubing. Each cable had connectors on both ends, one end of
each cable had a connector that would fit into the choke lever on the carb the
other end had a different type of connector. After I installed the cable tubing
between the carbs and my splitter brackets, I cut the cables near the middle
and fed the choke cables up from the carbs through the tubes to the choke
bracket and connected them to the end of my choke cable with a cable clamp. The
cable clamps came from the local hardware store. You might be able to find them
at a bicycle shop, bikes use the same type of cables.
The throttle cables I fed through holes in a small aluminum plate and then through
the throttle bracket down the tubes to the carbs where the cut ends are attached
to the throttle levers with the cable clamps that came with the carbs.
The wire from my throttle control is fed through a hole in the center of the plate
where the two throttle cables are attached. This plate is suspended between
the firewall where the throttle control wire passes through and the bracket
where the two throttle cable tubes are attached. The plate is drilled so that
the outer holes line up with the throttle cable tubes and the center hole lines
up with the tube for the control wire. The throttle control pulls on the plate
and the plate pulls on the throttle cables.
--
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Waiting on the paperwork.
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: rbauer@intergate.com
>
> I'm having a problem trying to hook up the Aircraft Spruce (part# A-820BL0360)
> friction throttle control (similar to Cessna style) with .078 solid wire to
> connect to the carb cable splitter for the dual carbs on the 912S. The splitter
> seems to be made for a .050 or .060 wire & the trottle I have is .078 wire. Is
> there an adapter available to connect the two?
>
> (I don't want to use the ugly trottle quadrant levers, but is this the only
> option? I already have the hole in the panel for the nice push/pull throttle
> control & it's a superior control compared to the quadrants.)
>
> Also how does the crimped end of the chock cable fit down into the cable guide
> on the engine without cutting the end of the cable off? Are there ends
> available for re-crimping/silver soldering?
>
> Thanks
> Rich
>
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| Subject: | Re: invitation for innovations |
|July 24, 2002) at 07/12/2004 08:54:54 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Subject: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations
> Another is the aileron gap seals that Norm Turner tested and found to
boost
>cruise and lower stall speed by several knots.
Does anyone know what Norm used to fabricate his gap seals, or any
installion information?
Craig S.
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| Subject: | Manual aileron trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Trevor,
Out of courtesy to Barry I've emailed him a request for permission to
forward you his drawings and descriptions. As soon as I get his ok I'll
send 'em to you.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> Oh, where can I get the aileron trim info easily?
>
> Trev
>
> On Jul 11, 2004, at 10:25 PM, Bob Miller wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
> > <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
> >
> > Over the years a number of people have reported innovative design mods
> > for the Zodiac. One example that stands out in my mind, and that I'm
> > incorporating, is the Barry Mayne's bungee system for manually
> > adjusting aileron trim. Elegant, inexpensive, and failsafe (in that
> > if anything breaks, there's no danger). Another is the aileron gap
> > seals that Norm Turner tested and found to boost cruise and lower
> > stall speed by several knots.
> >
> > I know some of my own ideas are a little off-the-wall, but the
> > experimental part is a huge part of the interest for many of us and
> > that's why I run them by the list. What other mods have people
> > tried and liked, or simply heard about?
> >
> > Maybe we should start a fund to award to the idea voted best so far.
> > I'll contribute $25 if anyone is interested.
> > Bob
>
>
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| Subject: | Jab 3300 Octane requirement |
20, 2004) at 07/12/2004 09:49:22 AM,
Serialize complete at 07/12/2004 09:49:22 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
Question for you Jab 3300 guys. Have been reading the info
provided by Jab on Octane requirement. Some places it states 92 octane,
other places 95 octane. Big difference. 92 can be purchased at any gas
station, 95 is much harder to come by. Anybody have the straight scoop on
what's needed?
Thanks
Chuck Long
N601LE, 90% complete
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| Subject: | Cheap and good clamps... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Clamping tip,
Just came from Princess Auto (Canadian version of Harbor Freight) and
picked up a dozen hemostats (just like what surgeons use). They are
small, lightweight, stainless, have good clamping power and are quickly
applied/removed.
I do not work for Princess Auto.
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima
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| Subject: | Manual aileron trim |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
Hi Bob
I would also be interested in the drawings for the manual aileron trim.
Thanks
John
Do not archive
-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" drmiller@cvillepsychology.net
Trevor,
Out of courtesy to Barry I've emailed him a request for permission to
forward you his drawings and descriptions. As soon as I get his ok I'll
send 'em to you.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor Page" webmaster@upac.ca
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations
-- Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page webmaster@upac.ca
Oh, where can I get the aileron trim info easily?
Trev
On Jul 11, 2004, at 10:25 PM, Bob Miller wrote:
-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
drmiller@cvillepsychology.net
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| Subject: | invitation for innovations |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "88tierra" <lnk@cis.net>
As I am still doing lots of reading and little (no) building yet I like this
idea very much. One of the most time consuming things for me is trying to
locate all those interesting, useful ideas I saw while I was still in the
shopping stage but can no longer seem to locate now that I am preparing to
build. A single source for the best of the best ideas would help me
immensely. Well worth another $25 out of my pocket. Consider that a pledge
on my part.
Gap covers, economy enhancements, tank/inspection hole flanges, metal
cowling and wing root fairings are all items of great interest to me. Along
with all those items I don't even know I want to incorporate yet because I'm
not aware of them.
Oh, almost forgot, anything to do with rotary engines automatically will
rank high with me as well.
Just don't know if I can fairly vote until I see the end result but I would
make an honest effort. Or, I could be bribed too.
Larry
601 XL
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
--> <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Over the years a number of people have reported innovative design mods for
the Zodiac. One example that stands out in my mind, and that I'm
incorporating, is the Barry Mayne's bungee system for manually adjusting
aileron trim. Elegant, inexpensive, and failsafe (in that if anything
breaks, there's no danger). Another is the aileron gap seals that Norm
Turner tested and found to boost cruise and lower stall speed by several
knots.
I know some of my own ideas are a little off-the-wall, but the experimental
part is a huge part of the interest for many of us and that's why I run them
by the list. What other mods have people tried and liked, or simply
heard about?
Maybe we should start a fund to award to the idea voted best so far. I'll
contribute $25 if anyone is interested. Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 701 & 912S throttle control |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rbauer@intergate.com
I gotcha. We did find our box of "goodies" that came with the engine that has
all the cable end & ferrules. We were just trying to figure out how to make it
all work with the extra stuff we had. We came up with either making up our own
splitter or getting the dual cable control.
Thanks
Rich
Quoting bryanmmartin@comcast.net:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
>
> I'm not sure what your splitter looks like but, maybe you can drill it out
> for the larger size wire?
>
> The Stratus has dual Bing carbs like the Rotax, Zenith sent me two cables and
> several feet of cable tubing. Each cable had connectors on both ends, one end
> of each cable had a connector that would fit into the choke lever on the carb
> the other end had a different type of connector. After I installed the cable
> tubing between the carbs and my splitter brackets, I cut the cables near the
> middle and fed the choke cables up from the carbs through the tubes to the
> choke bracket and connected them to the end of my choke cable with a cable
> clamp. The cable clamps came from the local hardware store. You might be able
> to find them at a bicycle shop, bikes use the same type of cables.
>
> The throttle cables I fed through holes in a small aluminum plate and then
> through the throttle bracket down the tubes to the carbs where the cut ends
> are attached to the throttle levers with the cable clamps that came with the
> carbs. The wire from my throttle control is fed through a hole in the center
> of the plate where the two throttle cables are attached. This plate is
> suspended between the firewall where the throttle control wire passes through
> and the bracket where the two throttle cable tubes are attached. The plate is
> drilled so that the outer holes line up with the throttle cable tubes and the
> center hole lines up with the tube for the control wire. The throttle control
> pulls on the plate and the plate pulls on the throttle cables.
>
> --
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> Construction complete.
> Waiting on the paperwork.
> do not archive
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: rbauer@intergate.com
> >
> > I'm having a problem trying to hook up the Aircraft Spruce (part#
> A-820BL0360)
> > friction throttle control (similar to Cessna style) with .078 solid wire to
>
> > connect to the carb cable splitter for the dual carbs on the 912S. The
> splitter
> > seems to be made for a .050 or .060 wire & the trottle I have is .078 wire.
> Is
> > there an adapter available to connect the two?
> >
> > (I don't want to use the ugly trottle quadrant levers, but is this the only
>
> > option? I already have the hole in the panel for the nice push/pull
> throttle
> > control & it's a superior control compared to the quadrants.)
> >
> > Also how does the crimped end of the chock cable fit down into the cable
> guide
> > on the engine without cutting the end of the cable off? Are there ends
> > available for re-crimping/silver soldering?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Rich
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Hi,
I am trying to choose which kitplane I am going to build. With
years of flying in front of me, I hope, I want to take the long
term view that I will have other airplanes in my future. So one
criteria I have is decent resale potential.
Is there anyone out there who has actually sold a Zodiac, any
model? Do sellers, of aircraft in decent shape, typically
recover, at least, the cost of the kit and engine?
FYI, there are no Zodiac's listed in Trade-A-Plane nor are they
listed in the National Aircraft Appraiser's Association
evaluator program.
cheers,
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <gegoff2003@bellsouth.net>
There are 2 on E-bay right now. Watch them and see what they bring in.
George
>
> From: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/07/12 Mon PM 12:59:56 EDT
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's?
>
>
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| Subject: | Zinc Chrmate source? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Sanford <sonar1@cox.net>
Has anyone a source for zinc chromate primer? I got a quart from
Aircraft Spruce just before Randolph was bought out, and need another.
Apparently the people that bought them out are not going to make it. .......
Fred Sanford
Ca.
701, tail and right wing done
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| Subject: | Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
Used Zodiacs change hands here in the UK quite often. We are the third owner
of ours, and paid $36k for the complete aircraft. Another one locally
recently sold for a similar price. I believe the previous owner of our
aircraft bought it from the original builder for around $40K 3 years ago.
Hope that helps
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "C P" <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to choose which kitplane I am going to build. With
> years of flying in front of me, I hope, I want to take the long
> term view that I will have other airplanes in my future. So one
> criteria I have is decent resale potential.
>
> Is there anyone out there who has actually sold a Zodiac, any
> model? Do sellers, of aircraft in decent shape, typically
> recover, at least, the cost of the kit and engine?
>
> FYI, there are no Zodiac's listed in Trade-A-Plane nor are they
> listed in the National Aircraft Appraiser's Association
> evaluator program.
>
> cheers,
> Chuck
>
>
> __________________________________
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>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Hello,
What are you using for a thread seal/lubricant for the fuel tank
fittings?
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "gary" <FlyinK@Efortress.com>
I have an old set of senders and guages if anyone wants to buy them. the
senders aren't worth anything but the guages are still good. $30?
gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: VDO sender
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> List,
>
> There are several VDO fuel senders on the market.
> Does anyone have a part number for the one that they
> used? I will be side mounting on an LE HDS tank I
> built.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brandon Tucker
> HDS
>
>
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| Subject: | Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
No they do not....I'm thinking of selling mine in two years when the RV7
is complete.
I have seen completed HD's and HDS model for between 20k and 28k...Basic
models with a transponder will normally cost 30 to 35k to build.
Jury is still out on the XL.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C P
Subject: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Hi,
I am trying to choose which kitplane I am going to build. With years of
flying in front of me, I hope, I want to take the long term view that I
will have other airplanes in my future. So one criteria I have is decent
resale potential.
Is there anyone out there who has actually sold a Zodiac, any model? Do
sellers, of aircraft in decent shape, typically recover, at least, the
cost of the kit and engine?
FYI, there are no Zodiac's listed in Trade-A-Plane nor are they listed
in the National Aircraft Appraiser's Association evaluator program.
cheers,
Chuck
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| Subject: | Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Ha...I'm shipping mine to England then...:)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
McLachlan
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan"
--> <richard@rodsley.net>
Used Zodiacs change hands here in the UK quite often. We are the third
owner of ours, and paid $36k for the complete aircraft. Another one
locally recently sold for a similar price. I believe the previous owner
of our aircraft bought it from the original builder for around $40K 3
years ago.
Hope that helps
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "C P" <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to choose which kitplane I am going to build. With years
> of flying in front of me, I hope, I want to take the long term view
> that I will have other airplanes in my future. So one criteria I have
> is decent resale potential.
>
> Is there anyone out there who has actually sold a Zodiac, any model?
> Do sellers, of aircraft in decent shape, typically recover, at least,
> the cost of the kit and engine?
>
> FYI, there are no Zodiac's listed in Trade-A-Plane nor are they listed
> in the National Aircraft Appraiser's Association evaluator program.
>
> cheers,
> Chuck
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Teflon tape.
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Hello,
What are you using for a thread seal/lubricant for the fuel tank
fittings?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
NEVER EVER use Teflon Tape for fuel or oil systems.
You may get away with it the first time IF correctly installed. If you break
a joint and re-install the small shards of tape which do NOT dissolve will
PLUG small orifices like screens and jets and small oil passages. The
correct compound is cheap pipe dope with Teflon powder to ease the torquing
of a fitting. The very best is Loctite PST which will set up and preserve
clocking of a fitting.
NEVER USE Teflon Tape.
Cy Galley - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair
Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Teflon tape.
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
> Hello,
>
> What are you using for a thread seal/lubricant for the fuel tank
> fittings?
>
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| Subject: | Photo Coverage of Burt Rutan's Space Ship & Trip into space |
- First home built in space
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/SpaceShipOne2004/index.html
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| Subject: | invitation for innovations (Foul Fitting Fuel Filler Fix) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Bob and others:
Please accept a presentation of an idea I had after challenged with a
fowl-fitting wing tank filler hole. Let's call it the "Foul Fitting Fuel
Filler Fix."
You can see my hastily put-together list of photos here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/FillerDoor.html
Mark, please feel free to link this to "601.org" if you find it worthy.
I hope this helps someone with the same problem I had.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
What other mods have people tried and liked
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| Subject: | invitation for innovations (Foul Fitting Fuel Filler |
Fix)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Well it looks great, but I don't quite get it?
I assume the paddel swings to one side under the skin?...Where is the
actual fuel cap?
Of course my 'flush" caps stick up proud through the skin...More on one
side than the other.
Frank 601 HDS Stratus with Ram heads 335 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Laughlin
Subject: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations (Foul Fitting Fuel
Filler Fix)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
--> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Bob and others:
Please accept a presentation of an idea I had after challenged with a
fowl-fitting wing tank filler hole. Let's call it the "Foul Fitting
Fuel
Filler Fix."
You can see my hastily put-together list of photos here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/FillerDoor.html
Mark, please feel free to link this to "601.org" if you find it worthy.
I hope this helps someone with the same problem I had.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
What other mods have people tried and liked
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| Subject: | Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I have to agree. After I did use tape, I replace any joint I dismantle
carefully with cheap hardware store teflon dope that I bought for $7.
I have found shards of tape in my float bowls!!!!!!
Beware.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cgalley
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
NEVER EVER use Teflon Tape for fuel or oil systems.
You may get away with it the first time IF correctly installed. If you
break a joint and re-install the small shards of tape which do NOT
dissolve will PLUG small orifices like screens and jets and small oil
passages. The correct compound is cheap pipe dope with Teflon powder to
ease the torquing of a fitting. The very best is Loctite PST which will
set up and preserve clocking of a fitting.
NEVER USE Teflon Tape.
Cy Galley - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair
Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Teflon tape.
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
> Hello,
>
> What are you using for a thread seal/lubricant for the fuel tank
> fittings?
>
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> months FREE!
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| Subject: | Re: Jab 3300 Octane requirement |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:37:30 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>> Question for you Jab 3300 guys. Have been reading the info
provided by Jab on Octane requirement. Some places it states 92 octane,
other places 95 octane. Big difference. 92 can be purchased at any gas
station, 95 is much harder to come by. Anybody have the straight scoop on
what's needed?
Chuck,
From my Jab manual: "Leaded and Unleaded Motor Gasoline above 95 Octane Ron."
Whoever Ron is...actually, ron is a rating system for gasoline and other volatiles
made up by fairies to confuse most of us. These same fairies also invented(?)
the centigrade scale.
The US system (mon+ron)/2 makes our 92 octane the equal of 95 ron. I burn 92 octane
from Hess all the time, usually mixing it about 60/40 with 100LL. In the
winter 22Tango burns more auto - about 75/25. No problems.
The floor is now open to those who wish to explain octane more clearly; or those
who will tell us we're going to die if we burn auto fuel in hot summer wx and
get vapor lock.
CAVU jeff
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| Subject: | Jab 3300 Octane requirement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
If you have a low wing plane and put the pumps where they should be
(next to or preferably IN the tanks) you will not get vapour lock no
matter what fuel you use.
Use a meachanical pump up high and suck on the fuel your asking for it!
Why risk it?
Frank
(professional enginer with half a life time designing fluid pumping
systems)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Small
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 Octane requirement
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>> Question for you Jab 3300 guys. Have been reading the info
provided by Jab on Octane requirement. Some places it states 92 octane,
other places 95 octane. Big difference. 92 can be purchased at any gas
station, 95 is much harder to come by. Anybody have the straight scoop
on what's needed?
Chuck,
From my Jab manual: "Leaded and Unleaded Motor Gasoline above 95 Octane
Ron."
Whoever Ron is...actually, ron is a rating system for gasoline and other
volatiles made up by fairies to confuse most of us. These same fairies
also invented(?) the centigrade scale.
The US system (mon+ron)/2 makes our 92 octane the equal of 95 ron. I
burn 92 octane from Hess all the time, usually mixing it about 60/40
with 100LL. In the winter 22Tango burns more auto - about 75/25. No
problems.
The floor is now open to those who wish to explain octane more clearly;
or those who will tell us we're going to die if we burn auto fuel in hot
summer wx and get vapor lock.
CAVU jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc Chrmate source? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Hi fred
Wicks had 4 gallons in stock 2 months ago and I bought 2. Give them a call
and good luck!
1-800-221-9425
Joe Motis
601XL
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| Subject: | Zinc Chrmate source? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Xylene and Zinc Chromate can be bought direct from a manufacturer.
Korzite Coatings
7134 Wellington RD.124.P.O.Box 1175
Guelph, Ontario
Canada. N1H 6N3
519-821-1250
Mark Townsend
601XL EJ 2.2L
Alma, Ontario
www.ch601.org
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Joemotis@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zinc Chrmate source?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Hi fred
Wicks had 4 gallons in stock 2 months ago and I bought 2. Give them a
call
and good luck!
1-800-221-9425
Joe Motis
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Hi, After many years on the homebuilding scene I can say that "Asking
prices" reflect the desire of the owner to get their money back plus a
little. From what I can see this is not often what they sell for.
I have seen that except for the RV line of homebuild airplanes most do not
get all the actual costs back.
A good quality homebuilt that has an actual cost of kit and accessories of
35 thousand will likely bring 25 to at best 28K ---- but it has to be nice.
I had a brand new RV6A With a factory new Lycoming engine with only the
factory test cell time, New Sensenich prop and of course all new
instruments, Radios and professional upholstry.
This plane had never even flown but was withing a couple of weeks of flying.
I had lots lots of lookers and droolers but 50,000 dollars is a lot of
scratch. I finally sold it for actual cost. Of course nothing for all my
work.
That was par for the course in 1999 when it was sold.
I dont think things are much different now. I know of one Zenith 601
Average build condition, with Rotax 912 bought by a friend of mine out of
Michigan. He paid 25,000 it. The plane had abojut 125 hours on it. I think
personally he could have gotten it for 21,000 or so. My friend had no
experiemental plane experience but had just sold his Older Bonanza and had a
pocket full of money.
Hope this helps. Tom M
----- Original Message -----
From: "C P" <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to choose which kitplane I am going to build. With
> years of flying in front of me, I hope, I want to take the long
> term view that I will have other airplanes in my future. So one
> criteria I have is decent resale potential.
>
> Is there anyone out there who has actually sold a Zodiac, any
> model? Do sellers, of aircraft in decent shape, typically
> recover, at least, the cost of the kit and engine?
>
> FYI, there are no Zodiac's listed in Trade-A-Plane nor are they
> listed in the National Aircraft Appraiser's Association
> evaluator program.
>
> cheers,
> Chuck
>
>
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| Subject: | 601XL wing root coordinates for cutting skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
Fellow XL builders,
Reference drawing 6W9 (new version). The X Y coordinates for the wing root
rear skins (top) at X=895, Y= --. What do they mean by that? Are they
implying to draw a straight line between X=700/Y=20 and X=960/Y=60? I mocked
one up on poster board as a template and transferred it to the skin. I just
used a gentle curve all the way through. Is it supposed to be a straight
line? I've looked through the plans and can't find a reference telling me
one way or another. Can someone that has attached their wings shed any
light?
I guess the same question applies to the bottom skins. X=960, Y= --. Is this
just a straight line from X=895/Y=60?
Also, did you cut wide and then trim it when you mounted your wings?
Thanks for any help you can give.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
601XL
Tail finished, rear fuselage finished, almost done with first wing!
Odenton, MD
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| Subject: | Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Hart" <rdh91577@alltel.net>
if you wanr to get the resale value of the original kit yes, you can do so
as long as you don't ad alot of avionics or other equipment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "C P" <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to choose which kitplane I am going to build. With
> years of flying in front of me, I hope, I want to take the long
> term view that I will have other airplanes in my future. So one
> criteria I have is decent resale potential.
>
> Is there anyone out there who has actually sold a Zodiac, any
> model? Do sellers, of aircraft in decent shape, typically
> recover, at least, the cost of the kit and engine?
>
> FYI, there are no Zodiac's listed in Trade-A-Plane nor are they
> listed in the National Aircraft Appraiser's Association
> evaluator program.
>
> cheers,
> Chuck
>
>
> __________________________________
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Hart" <rdh91577@alltel.net>
teflon tape should not be used on fuel ,because fuel will break down the
teflon tape, there is a liquid compound you can get at your local parts
house for fuel fittings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Teflon tape.
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
> Hello,
>
> What are you using for a thread seal/lubricant for the fuel tank
> fittings?
>
> MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access helps fight spam and pop-ups now 2 months
> FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Foul Fitting Fuel Filler Fix |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
A very elegant solution, Scott, but what keeps the door in place? Just the "springness"
of the
arm?
Won't it tend to sag after a while?
Cheers
Carlos
do not archive
> Please accept a presentation of an idea I had after challenged with a
> fowl-fitting wing tank filler hole. Let's call it the "Foul Fitting Fuel
> Filler Fix."
>
> You can see my hastily put-together list of photos here:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/FillerDoor.html
>
> Mark, please feel free to link this to "601.org" if you find it worthy.
>
> I hope this helps someone with the same problem I had.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL wing root coordinates for cutting skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
I drew a smooth curve using the coordinates - I was a bit nervous.
But, I figured that at the wing root I could splice a piece if needed.
It turns out that I had to trim when I fit the wing.
I propped the wings up in my yard, in place against the fuselage and
spent a day or so fitting them, a small snip at a time.
The lines that I had cut did not exactly match the curve of the fuselage.
The skins did not need trimmed in places and needed > 10 mm in others.
You'll end up trimming anyway - it's better to trim than splice.
It did work out for me but now I'd worry less and leave it a bit long.
Joe E.
N633Z @ BFI
69 hours
P.S. It was great fun at Arlington at the EAA tent.
I got to talk airplanes for 2 days! And I learned more.
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Mark Stauffer wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
> Reference drawing 6W9 (new version). The X Y coordinates for the wing root
> ................snip .............snip
> Also, did you cut wide and then trim it when you mounted your wings?
> Mark Stauffer
> Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Some of you have been following my conversion from a VW power plant to a Corvair.
Today the Vair roared to life for the first time since being rebuilt. I have
a few issues to work out now, but nothing real serious.
The carb is a 34 mm Revflo, and the prop is a 2 blade 64" warp drive.
The carb is the same one I used on the VW and has the same problems. Amazingly,
I cannot run full rich. I still need to adjust the carb. I was afraid that it
would not be big enough, but it looks like I need to lean it quite a bit still.
Also, one bank of cylinders is too rich and the other is about right by looking
at the plugs. All of the plugs on the same bank are about even in appearance.
I will probably make a swirl plate to try to balance out the mixture.
I have the prop pitch set to 12 degrees. With that setting I cannot put in full
throttle without over speeding the engine. I only let it go up to 3300 rpm
before I backed off the throttle. I seem to recall that William Wynne is running
his at 14.5 degrees, so I'll increase the pitch a bit. I know his prop is a
couple of inches longer than mine.
After running for a few minutes, I pulled the valve covers and examined the rockers.
I found a couple too loose. Now that the lifters are pumped up, is there
a reliable way to adjust them with the engine not running? I hate the thought
of adjusting valves just inches from a running prop.
The only other problem is the leaking oil. It very obviously dripping from the
valve covers. I'm not sure about anywhere else because it was pretty bad from
the valve covers so I'll have to fix that one first.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
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