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1. 12:46 AM - From the "bigger is better" crowd (Pilot)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: Jab 3300 Octane requirement (Eldo@unb.ca)
3. 05:57 AM - pop open access latch (Bob Miller)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (Bob Miller)
5. 05:57 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (Bob Miller)
6. 05:58 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (Foul Fitting Fuel Filler Fix) (Scott Laughlin)
7. 06:40 AM - Re: pop open access latch (Ray Montagne)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: From the "bigger is better" crowd (sportpilot)
9. 07:50 AM - canopy covers (Paul Hartl)
10. 07:50 AM - Jabiru cowl for sale (Paul Hartl)
11. 08:07 AM - Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? (Hinde, Frank George)
12. 08:15 AM - Re: From the "bigger is better" crowd (Pilot)
13. 08:57 AM - Re: pop open access latch (Thomas F Marson)
14. 08:59 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (Thomas F Marson)
15. 09:20 AM - Re: 601 canopy covers (xl)
16. 09:24 AM - Re: canopy covers (Randy Stout)
17. 10:21 AM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant (RURUNY@aol.com)
18. 11:09 AM - Re: From the "bigger is better" crowd (wizard-24@juno.com)
19. 11:34 AM - Re: 601 canopy cover (PHFD400@aol.com)
20. 12:04 PM - Re: invitation for innovations (Cdngoose)
21. 12:21 PM - Re: canopy covers (Jackie B. Johnson)
22. 01:55 PM - T-tape, and Chromate (Bima, Martin)
23. 02:43 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (Flydog1966@aol.com)
24. 02:49 PM - Re: canopy covers (Jeff Small)
25. 03:17 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (Hinde, Frank George)
26. 03:57 PM - Re: T-tape, and Chromate (David Barth)
27. 06:46 PM - Re: T-tape, and Chromate (cgalley)
28. 07:13 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (Thomas F Marson)
29. 08:45 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant (gary)
30. 10:01 PM - I heard my muffler fail this time! (xl)
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| Subject: | From the "bigger is better" crowd |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
I realize this would probably be overkill, but was wondering if anyone had ever
thought of this to reach the "book speeds" that are advertised for the XL. It
claims 145 lbs. and 300 hp(?).
http://www.sea-plane.com/product_details_turboprop.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Jab 3300 Octane requirement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Eldo@unb.ca
Just a short comment on Octane rating. The rating itself does not relate to whether
you might get a vapour lock problem. It is a measure of the pre ignition potential
of
a fuel in higher compression engine (ie. fuel ignition caused by compression and
high temperature before the timing of the spark plug). A reasonable description
of
the practical implications of higher and lower octane ratings for automobile fuels
can
be found at :
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/octane.htm
As I recall the actual original number is some kind of ratio of long and short
hydrocarbon chains in the fuel but in modern times the effect of raising the Octane
(for high compression engines) is mostly achieved by additives (formerly a lead
compound) and not by adjusting the refining process to change the true octane
ratio.
Vapour potential is a whole other problem that may be related to auto versus
aviation fuel but isn't really measured by the Octane rating.
Eldo Hildebrand
Fredericton, NB
From: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 Octane requirement
Date sent: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:37:30 -0400
Send reply to: zenith-list@matronics.com
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>
>
> >> Question for you Jab 3300 guys. Have been reading the info
> provided by Jab on Octane requirement. Some places it states 92 octane,
> other places 95 octane. Big difference. 92 can be purchased at any gas
> station, 95 is much harder to come by. Anybody have the straight scoop on
> what's needed?
>
> Chuck,
>
> From my Jab manual: "Leaded and Unleaded Motor Gasoline above 95 Octane Ron."
>
> Whoever Ron is...actually, ron is a rating system for gasoline and other volatiles
made up by fairies to confuse most of us. These same fairies also invented(?)
the centigrade scale.
>
> The US system (mon+ron)/2 makes our 92 octane the equal of 95 ron. I burn 92
octane from Hess all the time, usually mixing it about 60/40 with 100LL. In
the winter 22Tango burns more auto - about 75/25. No problems.
>
> The floor is now open to those who wish to explain octane more clearly; or those
who will tell us we're going to die if we burn auto fuel in hot summer wx
and get vapor lock.
>
> CAVU jeff
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | pop open access latch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Does anybody know where to buy those push to pop-open latches like are used on
Cessna oil access doors? I haven't found any in ACS or Wicks.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: invitation for innovations |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Craig,
So far Norm has only used tape, and hasn't put in any permanent seals. He
reports the tape appeared to reduce his stall speed on his HDS by 4-5 kts,
and improve his cruise (at weight of around 400kg) by 3-5 kts. Improvement
in cruise at MTOW was marginal.
I'm wondering whether an aluminum gap seal would be more or less effective
than the tape. More, would be my guess, since the tape would have to flap
around when the ailerons are neutral in order to have enough to stretch over
the gap when the aileron is full up.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: <caspainhower@aep.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>
>
> Subject: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations
>
> > Another is the aileron gap seals that Norm Turner tested and found to
> boost
> >cruise and lower stall speed by several knots.
>
> Does anyone know what Norm used to fabricate his gap seals, or any
> installion information?
>
> Craig S.
> N601XS, 601XL 0-235 lyc
>
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| Subject: | Re: invitation for innovations |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Thanks, Mark, for providing www.ch601.org , it's a great service to make
that kind of archive.
I hope that people sending in innovations will copy the message both to that
site as well as to the regular list for those of us who don't check your
site as often as we do our email.
Yes, maybe the prize wasn't such a good idea. It might discourage somebody
from sending in an innovation that would be useful, but the originator might
think wouldn't be good enough to compete. And I would hope people will send
in all their innovations and tips, large and small.
A small one I'm currently thinking about is a simple, lightweight step for
my 601 that can be stored in the baggage compartment. It would lean against
the joint between wing and fuselage, so that the main weight of the person
using it is transferred to the ground. After use, pilot can lean over and
pick it up and stow it. The tube step in the design looks pretty heavy as
well as draggy.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Though I don't agree to the money aspect of Bob's idea the rest is gold
> ! I would like to see everyone's idea's and modifications. Please get in
> touch with me so that I can post them in the proper area of
> www.ch601.org we can all benefit from others idea's and that is what
> ch601.org is all about, to share and help each other along the road of
> building a Zodiac 601. Send ANY and ALL idea's to moderator@ch601.org
> IF you all like the thought of voting for an Idea I will add a voting
> poll for the idea's and you folks can set a date for the winner.
>
> Mark Townsend
> 601XL EJ 2.2L
> Alma, Ontario
> www.ch601.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Over the years a number of people have reported innovative design mods
> for the Zodiac. One example that stands out in my mind, and that I'm
> incorporating, is the Barry Mayne's bungee system for manually adjusting
> aileron trim. Elegant, inexpensive, and failsafe (in that if anything
> breaks, there's no danger). Another is the aileron gap seals that
> Norm Turner tested and found to boost cruise and lower stall speed by
> several knots.
>
> I know some of my own ideas are a little off-the-wall, but the
> experimental part is a huge part of the interest for many of us and
> that's why I run them by the list. What other mods have people tried
> and liked, or simply heard about?
>
> Maybe we should start a fund to award to the idea voted best so far.
> I'll contribute $25 if anyone is interested.
> Bob
>
>
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| Subject: | invitation for innovations (Foul Fitting Fuel Filler |
Fix)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Hi Frank:
My set of plans don't mention that a spacer is needed for the fuel filler,
so I just built the tanks according to the drawing. When I put it all
together is when I found the problem - the fuel caps are the flush-fitting
type.
The actual fuel cap fits on the tank as normal, just 11 mm or so below the
skin. I made the hole in the skin a little larger so it would be easy to
get the cap off and pull it up. The paddle swings out of the way far enough
so the fuel cap comes out easy.
To answer Carlos' question about the paddle sagging - only time will tell.
The backing plate is supported on two sides, and you can't really push the
paddle down far enough to cause plastic deformation of the aluminum, so I am
guessing it will stay tight up against the wing skin. Worst case, I could
just remove a few rivets and slide a slightly thicker backing plate under
the skin to replace existing plate, but I don't see that happening.
Thanks for your interest,
Scott Laughlin
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Hinde, Frank George" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Well it looks great, but I don't quite get it?
Where is the actual fuel cap?
MSN Life Events gives you the tips and tools to handle the turning points in
your life. http://lifeevents.msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: pop open access latch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 7/12/04 7:45 AM, "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
> <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
>
> Does anybody know where to buy those push to pop-open latches like are used on
> Cessna oil access doors? I haven't found any in ACS or Wicks.
>
> Bob
>
Yes - Aircraft Spruce carries them. Try
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/nsearch.php?s=oil+door> for the oil door with
latch or <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/flushlatch.php> for
similar latching products. They don't show pictures on the web page so I'd
recommend ordering the catalog on-line and then checking the air frame
section of the catalog (somewhere around pp. 186-191).
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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| Subject: | Re: From the "bigger is better" crowd |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportpilot@moneypit.com>
I don't think thats what it says.. more like 140 hp and 300 lbs not
exactly the same thing.. :)
Sport
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
>
> I realize this would probably be overkill, but was wondering if anyone had
ever thought of this to reach the "book speeds" that are advertised for the
XL. It claims 145 lbs. and 300 hp(?).
>
> http://www.sea-plane.com/product_details_turboprop.htm
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox-internet.com>
List,
Does anyone have a recommendation for a Zodiac canopy cover, either homemade or
manufactured?
Thanks,
Paul
Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages
Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl
Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
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| Subject: | Jabiru cowl for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox-internet.com>
As I now am the proud owner of two Jabiru cowls for my Zodiac - last year's and
this year's new
model, I would like to sell the older version, at a deep discount. The new model
has the NACA
vents already faired in, is a couple inches longer (and requires a $170 prop extension),
and sells
for $640. I'm asking $200 for the old one, which is unused and is of quite high
quality
construction. Contact Pete at Jabiru (info@usjabiru.com) or go to their website
(
www.usjabiru.com ) for the full story on the differences, and contact me offline if you'd like to
purchase my old one.
PaulPaul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages
Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl
Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
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| Subject: | Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I think maybe if you built up your own motor you might but otherwise (as
far as the HD(s) models are concerned) no way.
Lets see, My engine package was 7K (cheaper than a Rotax I believe), add
the prop a radio, transponder, the kit, strobes, lights and seat
cushions and your up to 30k....Thats without paint.
I have not seen a HD(S) even being advertised for 30k,...So it doesn't
add up.
Now if you take the fact that renting a C152 runs about $40 an hour and
your plane will cost you about 10 to 12 in fuel, insurance and hangar
rent, you will probably come out ahead...
I think the only plane that regularly sells for more than the assembly
price is the Van's RV's.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Hart
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Hart" <rdh91577@alltel.net>
if you wanr to get the resale value of the original kit yes, you can do
so as long as you don't ad alot of avionics or other equipment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "C P" <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to choose which kitplane I am going to build. With years
> of flying in front of me, I hope, I want to take the long term view
> that I will have other airplanes in my future. So one criteria I have
> is decent resale potential.
>
> Is there anyone out there who has actually sold a Zodiac, any model?
> Do sellers, of aircraft in decent shape, typically recover, at least,
> the cost of the kit and engine?
>
> FYI, there are no Zodiac's listed in Trade-A-Plane nor are they listed
> in the National Aircraft Appraiser's Association evaluator program.
>
> cheers,
> Chuck
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: From the "bigger is better" crowd |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
Sorry, got my numbers from EAA #288. And, I even got the numbers wrong. It
is:
"Special guest Cyrillo Vergara treated us to a demonstration of his new and
exciting SXE 3000 Turboprop. This light weight, self contained, high
performance engine weighing only 132lb. can produce nearly 300 hp! After
you've looked at the pictures below, click here to jump over to Cyrillo's
spec sheet to get the complete story on this marvelous engine. Oh yes, he
can configure it in a dual arrangement for 600 hp."
http://eaa288.org/april1.htm (at the bottom of the page)
----- Original Message -----
From: "sportpilot" <sportpilot@moneypit.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: From the "bigger is better" crowd
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportpilot@moneypit.com>
I don't think thats what it says.. more like 140 hp and 300 lbs not
exactly the same thing.. :)
Sport
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
>
> I realize this would probably be overkill, but was wondering if anyone had
ever thought of this to reach the "book speeds" that are advertised for the
XL. It claims 145 lbs. and 300 hp(?).
>
> http://www.sea-plane.com/product_details_turboprop.htm
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: pop open access latch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Try Wag Aero. Tom M
> Does anybody know where to buy those push to pop-open latches like are
used on Cessna oil access doors? I haven't found any in ACS or Wicks.
>
> Bob
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: invitation for innovations |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Put the tape rightup at the hinge and it wont flap. TomM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
<drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
>
> Craig,
> So far Norm has only used tape, and hasn't put in any permanent seals. He
> reports the tape appeared to reduce his stall speed on his HDS by 4-5 kts,
> and improve his cruise (at weight of around 400kg) by 3-5 kts.
Improvement
> in cruise at MTOW was marginal.
> I'm wondering whether an aluminum gap seal would be more or less effective
> than the tape. More, would be my guess, since the tape would have to flap
> around when the ailerons are neutral in order to have enough to stretch
over
> the gap when the aileron is full up.
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <caspainhower@aep.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
> >
> >
> > Subject: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations
> >
> > > Another is the aileron gap seals that Norm Turner tested and found to
> > boost
> > >cruise and lower stall speed by several knots.
> >
> > Does anyone know what Norm used to fabricate his gap seals, or any
> > installion information?
> >
> > Craig S.
> > N601XS, 601XL 0-235 lyc
> >
> >
> > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the
> > Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole
> > use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and
> > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or
> > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
please
> > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the
original
> > message.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 canopy covers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
My plane is tied down outside.
I got my cover from Bruce's Custom Covers, Sunnyvale, CA.
http://www.aircraftcovers.com/
$320. Very good quality.
Joe
N633Z @ BFI
69 hours
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Paul Hartl wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox-internet.com>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a Zodiac canopy cover, either homemade
or
> manufactured?
> Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Paul
The other day, Walmart had some car covers for $20. It was a kind of
silvery material that is supposed to reflect the sun and the backside was
not supposed to scratch. I bought the biggest I could find and plan on
making a canopy cover out of it one day.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl"
<paulhartl@cox-internet.com>
>
> List,
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a Zodiac canopy cover, either
homemade or
> manufactured?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
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| Subject: | Fuel fittings seal/lubricant |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
What are you using for a thread seal/lubricant for the fuel tank
fittings?
Martin Bima
Martin,
I'm using Permatex High temperature thread sealant.
Its white paste you put on the threads before assembly. It doesn't dry but
remains in its
paste form.
The back of the package states...Seals threaded metal fittings on hydrolic,
pneumatic,
fuel, and cooling systems.
Item # 59214
purchased at Auto Zone autoparts store.
Its worked great in all leak checks thus far.
Brian
701 Long Island
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| Subject: | Re: From the "bigger is better" crowd |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
I'm sure price will be a huge factor.
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:45:08 -0700 "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net> writes:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
>
> I realize this would probably be overkill, but was wondering if
> anyone had ever thought of this to reach the "book speeds" that are
> advertised for the XL. It claims 145 lbs. and 300 hp(?).
>
> http://www.sea-plane.com/product_details_turboprop.htm
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| Subject: | Re: 601 canopy cover |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: PHFD400@aol.com
I had Bruce's covers make one for my 601HDS. Fits like a glove and does the job.
Nice quality, has soft underside so not to scatch canopy.
http://www.aircraftcovers.com/
Jim Olson
Palm Harbor, FL
CH601HDS 245 hrs
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| Subject: | invitation for innovations |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Hi Bob
Over the next week or so I will be making my step as well and I'm
planning on doing an airfoil shape to reduce drag. I will take full
photo's and post it as soon as possible, I'm also close to finishing the
hookup for the Ford seat powered flap mechanism Will post that one ASAP.
Mark Townsend
601XL EJ 2.2L
Alma, Ontario
www.ch601.org
-----Original Message-----
A small one I'm currently thinking about is a simple, lightweight step
for
my 601 that can be stored in the baggage compartment. It would lean
against
the joint between wing and fuselage, so that the main weight of the
person
using it is transferred to the ground. After use, pilot can lean over
and
pick it up and stow it. The tube step in the design looks pretty heavy
as
well as draggy.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: canopy covers |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jackie B. Johnson" <zjohnson@ucnsb.net>
I have Bruce's Custom Cover and have been very satisfied with it for 4-5
years..not cheap, but good quality,good fit..I have one of first he made for
Zodiacs..
Jackie N5JZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox-internet.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: canopy covers
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl"
<paulhartl@cox-internet.com>
>
> List,
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a Zodiac canopy cover, either
homemade or
> manufactured?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
> Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages
> Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website:
http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl
> Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
>
>
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| Subject: | T-tape, and Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Just picked up 8 spray bombs of Zinc-Chromate from Canadian Tire - $7.99
each.
Fuel does not hurt t-tape, the grinding of the interlocking threads
hurts t-tape. I will try the paste - thanks.
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
So there is no concearn of the liquid/paste thread seal/lubricant getting
into the fuel system and causing bad things to happen?
Flydog
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: canopy covers |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:50:56 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>I have Bruce's Custom Cover and have been very satisfied with it for 4-5
>years...not cheap, but good quality,good fit.
Ditto, ditto, ditto. Excellent product.
do not archive
jeff
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| Subject: | Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Nope...flakes of as tiny particles rather than shards o tape which can
block jets.
Clearly one uses it sparingly though so as not to paste it into the
inside of the fitting.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
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Flydog1966@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
So there is no concearn of the liquid/paste thread seal/lubricant
getting
into the fuel system and causing bad things to happen?
Flydog
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: T-tape, and Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Martin:
I tried some aluminum primer from Canadian Tire that
"Replaces Zinc Chromate". At least that is what it
says. I don't think there is any zinc in that product.
You may want to double check the can if you are
expecting there to be zinc in your primer. Stuff
seems to apply OK but whether it works as well as Z-C
only time will tell.
David
--- "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin"
> <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
>
> Just picked up 8 spray bombs of Zinc-Chromate from
> Canadian Tire - $7.99
> each.
>
> Fuel does not hurt t-tape, the grinding of the
> interlocking threads
> hurts t-tape. I will try the paste - thanks.
>
> Martin Bima
> STOL-Vair
> www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima
>
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| Subject: | Re: T-tape, and Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
It is NOT the zinc that creates the problem... its the chrome (chromate)!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barth" <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: T-tape, and Chromate
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Martin:
> I tried some aluminum primer from Canadian Tire that
> "Replaces Zinc Chromate". At least that is what it
> says. I don't think there is any zinc in that product.
> You may want to double check the can if you are
> expecting there to be zinc in your primer. Stuff
> seems to apply OK but whether it works as well as Z-C
> only time will tell.
> David
>
> --- "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca> wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin"
> > <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
> >
> > Just picked up 8 spray bombs of Zinc-Chromate from
> > Canadian Tire - $7.99
> > each.
> >
> > Fuel does not hurt t-tape, the grinding of the
> > interlocking threads
> > hurts t-tape. I will try the paste - thanks.
> >
> > Martin Bima
> > STOL-Vair
> > www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Any sealer should be used sparingly and then applied to the threads in a way
that as much as possible keeps the sealer from entering the fuel system.
With that said the non- solids are less likely to clog a small orfice in a
carb or a Fuel injector or cause a check valve to leak or------?. Tom
Marson
----- Original Message -----
From: <Flydog1966@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
>
> So there is no concearn of the liquid/paste thread seal/lubricant
getting
> into the fuel system and causing bad things to happen?
> Flydog
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "gary" <FlyinK@Efortress.com>
> I'm using Permatex High temperature thread sealant.
> Its white paste you put on the threads before assembly. It doesn't dry but
> remains in its paste form.
> The back of the package states...Seals threaded metal fittings on
hydrolic,
> pneumatic, fuel, and cooling systems.
>
> Item # 59214 purchased at Auto Zone autoparts store.
>
I used a white teflon paste and it worked ok on NPT fittings for about 70
hours and now it's weeping and getting gradually worse. It was recommended
to me to use "black epoxy goop" from Spruce. Bought it, haven't tried it
yet. Will probably switch to as many flare fittings as I can and use black
goop on remainder.
gary
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| Subject: | I heard my muffler fail this time! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
I replaced the Jabiru 3300 muffler a week and a half ago at ~63 hours.
The stock new one cracked at ~70 hours. And I did hear it this time.
I am now sensitized to the change in tone. It is louder but
not as much as I'd think. 2500 rpm with the cracks sounded
about like 3000 rpm without the cracks. It wasn't much different
sounding than when the last one fell off. Somewhat like going
from 1000 rpm to 3000 rpm on takeoff.
When I landed and pulled the cowl I found the front right weld
cracked at the top and was working down. The front left weld
was cracked to about 2/3s of the way down. And when I moved the
tailpipes up and down the cracks got bigger. It appears that
once the cracks start they can get bigger quickly. The muffler
bounces up and down and opens the cracks.
Maybe I should stick with straight pipes.
Is there a way to build a straight muffler (about 2.5" in diameter)
that would be more neighborly than unmuffled pipes?
Joe E.
N633Z
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