---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/13/04: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:46 AM - From the "bigger is better" crowd (Pilot) 2. 05:31 AM - Re: Jab 3300 Octane requirement (Eldo@unb.ca) 3. 05:57 AM - pop open access latch (Bob Miller) 4. 05:57 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (Bob Miller) 5. 05:57 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (Bob Miller) 6. 05:58 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (Foul Fitting Fuel Filler Fix) (Scott Laughlin) 7. 06:40 AM - Re: pop open access latch (Ray Montagne) 8. 07:37 AM - Re: From the "bigger is better" crowd (sportpilot) 9. 07:50 AM - canopy covers (Paul Hartl) 10. 07:50 AM - Jabiru cowl for sale (Paul Hartl) 11. 08:07 AM - Re: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? (Hinde, Frank George) 12. 08:15 AM - Re: From the "bigger is better" crowd (Pilot) 13. 08:57 AM - Re: pop open access latch (Thomas F Marson) 14. 08:59 AM - Re: invitation for innovations (Thomas F Marson) 15. 09:20 AM - Re: 601 canopy covers (xl) 16. 09:24 AM - Re: canopy covers (Randy Stout) 17. 10:21 AM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant (RURUNY@aol.com) 18. 11:09 AM - Re: From the "bigger is better" crowd (wizard-24@juno.com) 19. 11:34 AM - Re: 601 canopy cover (PHFD400@aol.com) 20. 12:04 PM - Re: invitation for innovations (Cdngoose) 21. 12:21 PM - Re: canopy covers (Jackie B. Johnson) 22. 01:55 PM - T-tape, and Chromate (Bima, Martin) 23. 02:43 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (Flydog1966@aol.com) 24. 02:49 PM - Re: canopy covers (Jeff Small) 25. 03:17 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (Hinde, Frank George) 26. 03:57 PM - Re: T-tape, and Chromate (David Barth) 27. 06:46 PM - Re: T-tape, and Chromate (cgalley) 28. 07:13 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... (Thomas F Marson) 29. 08:45 PM - Re: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant (gary) 30. 10:01 PM - I heard my muffler fail this time! (xl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:36 AM PST US From: "Pilot" Subject: Zenith-List: From the "bigger is better" crowd --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" I realize this would probably be overkill, but was wondering if anyone had ever thought of this to reach the "book speeds" that are advertised for the XL. It claims 145 lbs. and 300 hp(?). http://www.sea-plane.com/product_details_turboprop.htm ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:21 AM PST US From: Eldo@unb.ca Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 Octane requirement --> Zenith-List message posted by: Eldo@unb.ca Just a short comment on Octane rating. The rating itself does not relate to whether you might get a vapour lock problem. It is a measure of the pre ignition potential of a fuel in higher compression engine (ie. fuel ignition caused by compression and high temperature before the timing of the spark plug). A reasonable description of the practical implications of higher and lower octane ratings for automobile fuels can be found at : http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/octane.htm As I recall the actual original number is some kind of ratio of long and short hydrocarbon chains in the fuel but in modern times the effect of raising the Octane (for high compression engines) is mostly achieved by additives (formerly a lead compound) and not by adjusting the refining process to change the true octane ratio. Vapour potential is a whole other problem that may be related to auto versus aviation fuel but isn't really measured by the Octane rating. Eldo Hildebrand Fredericton, NB From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 Octane requirement Date sent: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:37:30 -0400 Send reply to: zenith-list@matronics.com > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" > > > >> Question for you Jab 3300 guys. Have been reading the info > provided by Jab on Octane requirement. Some places it states 92 octane, > other places 95 octane. Big difference. 92 can be purchased at any gas > station, 95 is much harder to come by. Anybody have the straight scoop on > what's needed? > > Chuck, > > From my Jab manual: "Leaded and Unleaded Motor Gasoline above 95 Octane Ron." > > Whoever Ron is...actually, ron is a rating system for gasoline and other volatiles made up by fairies to confuse most of us. These same fairies also invented(?) the centigrade scale. > > The US system (mon+ron)/2 makes our 92 octane the equal of 95 ron. I burn 92 octane from Hess all the time, usually mixing it about 60/40 with 100LL. In the winter 22Tango burns more auto - about 75/25. No problems. > > The floor is now open to those who wish to explain octane more clearly; or those who will tell us we're going to die if we burn auto fuel in hot summer wx and get vapor lock. > > CAVU jeff > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:41 AM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Zenith-List: pop open access latch --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" Does anybody know where to buy those push to pop-open latches like are used on Cessna oil access doors? I haven't found any in ACS or Wicks. Bob ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:41 AM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" Craig, So far Norm has only used tape, and hasn't put in any permanent seals. He reports the tape appeared to reduce his stall speed on his HDS by 4-5 kts, and improve his cruise (at weight of around 400kg) by 3-5 kts. Improvement in cruise at MTOW was marginal. I'm wondering whether an aluminum gap seal would be more or less effective than the tape. More, would be my guess, since the tape would have to flap around when the ailerons are neutral in order to have enough to stretch over the gap when the aileron is full up. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations > --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com > > > Subject: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations > > > Another is the aileron gap seals that Norm Turner tested and found to > boost > >cruise and lower stall speed by several knots. > > Does anyone know what Norm used to fabricate his gap seals, or any > installion information? > > Craig S. > N601XS, 601XL 0-235 lyc > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the > Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole > use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > message. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:41 AM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" Thanks, Mark, for providing www.ch601.org , it's a great service to make that kind of archive. I hope that people sending in innovations will copy the message both to that site as well as to the regular list for those of us who don't check your site as often as we do our email. Yes, maybe the prize wasn't such a good idea. It might discourage somebody from sending in an innovation that would be useful, but the originator might think wouldn't be good enough to compete. And I would hope people will send in all their innovations and tips, large and small. A small one I'm currently thinking about is a simple, lightweight step for my 601 that can be stored in the baggage compartment. It would lean against the joint between wing and fuselage, so that the main weight of the person using it is transferred to the ground. After use, pilot can lean over and pick it up and stow it. The tube step in the design looks pretty heavy as well as draggy. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > Though I don't agree to the money aspect of Bob's idea the rest is gold > ! I would like to see everyone's idea's and modifications. Please get in > touch with me so that I can post them in the proper area of > www.ch601.org we can all benefit from others idea's and that is what > ch601.org is all about, to share and help each other along the road of > building a Zodiac 601. Send ANY and ALL idea's to moderator@ch601.org > IF you all like the thought of voting for an Idea I will add a voting > poll for the idea's and you folks can set a date for the winner. > > Mark Townsend > 601XL EJ 2.2L > Alma, Ontario > www.ch601.org > > -----Original Message----- > Over the years a number of people have reported innovative design mods > for the Zodiac. One example that stands out in my mind, and that I'm > incorporating, is the Barry Mayne's bungee system for manually adjusting > aileron trim. Elegant, inexpensive, and failsafe (in that if anything > breaks, there's no danger). Another is the aileron gap seals that > Norm Turner tested and found to boost cruise and lower stall speed by > several knots. > > I know some of my own ideas are a little off-the-wall, but the > experimental part is a huge part of the interest for many of us and > that's why I run them by the list. What other mods have people tried > and liked, or simply heard about? > > Maybe we should start a fund to award to the idea voted best so far. > I'll contribute $25 if anyone is interested. > Bob > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:08 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations (Foul Fitting Fuel Filler Fix) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Hi Frank: My set of plans don't mention that a spacer is needed for the fuel filler, so I just built the tanks according to the drawing. When I put it all together is when I found the problem - the fuel caps are the flush-fitting type. The actual fuel cap fits on the tank as normal, just 11 mm or so below the skin. I made the hole in the skin a little larger so it would be easy to get the cap off and pull it up. The paddle swings out of the way far enough so the fuel cap comes out easy. To answer Carlos' question about the paddle sagging - only time will tell. The backing plate is supported on two sides, and you can't really push the paddle down far enough to cause plastic deformation of the aluminum, so I am guessing it will stay tight up against the wing skin. Worst case, I could just remove a few rivets and slide a slightly thicker backing plate under the skin to replace existing plate, but I don't see that happening. Thanks for your interest, Scott Laughlin ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Hinde, Frank George" Well it looks great, but I don't quite get it? Where is the actual fuel cap? MSN Life Events gives you the tips and tools to handle the turning points in your life. http://lifeevents.msn.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: pop open access latch From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 7/12/04 7:45 AM, "Bob Miller" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" > > > Does anybody know where to buy those push to pop-open latches like are used on > Cessna oil access doors? I haven't found any in ACS or Wicks. > > Bob > Yes - Aircraft Spruce carries them. Try for the oil door with latch or for similar latching products. They don't show pictures on the web page so I'd recommend ordering the catalog on-line and then checking the air frame section of the catalog (somewhere around pp. 186-191). DO NOT ARCHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA =========================================================================== Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Completed Right Wing Completed Right Wing Tip Completed Left Wing Completed Right Wing Tip Completed Fuselage Under Construction NOTE: Heavy SPAM filters in place. Replies that do not include the word 'Zenith' or 'Zodiac' will be rejected and will not be viewable by me. =========================================================================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:58 AM PST US From: "sportpilot" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: From the "bigger is better" crowd --> Zenith-List message posted by: "sportpilot" I don't think thats what it says.. more like 140 hp and 300 lbs not exactly the same thing.. :) Sport > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" > > I realize this would probably be overkill, but was wondering if anyone had ever thought of this to reach the "book speeds" that are advertised for the XL. It claims 145 lbs. and 300 hp(?). > > http://www.sea-plane.com/product_details_turboprop.htm > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:04 AM PST US From: "Paul Hartl" Subject: Zenith-List: canopy covers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" List, Does anyone have a recommendation for a Zodiac canopy cover, either homemade or manufactured? Thanks, Paul Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:04 AM PST US From: "Paul Hartl" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru cowl for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" As I now am the proud owner of two Jabiru cowls for my Zodiac - last year's and this year's new model, I would like to sell the older version, at a deep discount. The new model has the NACA vents already faired in, is a couple inches longer (and requires a $170 prop extension), and sells for $640. I'm asking $200 for the old one, which is unused and is of quite high quality construction. Contact Pete at Jabiru (info@usjabiru.com) or go to their website ( www.usjabiru.com ) for the full story on the differences, and contact me offline if you'd like to purchase my old one. PaulPaul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:14 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? From: "Hinde, Frank George" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George" I think maybe if you built up your own motor you might but otherwise (as far as the HD(s) models are concerned) no way. Lets see, My engine package was 7K (cheaper than a Rotax I believe), add the prop a radio, transponder, the kit, strobes, lights and seat cushions and your up to 30k....Thats without paint. I have not seen a HD(S) even being advertised for 30k,...So it doesn't add up. Now if you take the fact that renting a C152 runs about $40 an hour and your plane will cost you about 10 to 12 in fuel, insurance and hangar rent, you will probably come out ahead... I think the only plane that regularly sells for more than the assembly price is the Van's RV's. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Hart Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Hart" if you wanr to get the resale value of the original kit yes, you can do so as long as you don't ad alot of avionics or other equipment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C P" Subject: Zenith-List: Resale of completed Zodiac XL's? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: C P > > Hi, > > I am trying to choose which kitplane I am going to build. With years > of flying in front of me, I hope, I want to take the long term view > that I will have other airplanes in my future. So one criteria I have > is decent resale potential. > > Is there anyone out there who has actually sold a Zodiac, any model? > Do sellers, of aircraft in decent shape, typically recover, at least, > the cost of the kit and engine? > > FYI, there are no Zodiac's listed in Trade-A-Plane nor are they listed > in the National Aircraft Appraiser's Association evaluator program. > > cheers, > Chuck > > > __________________________________ > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:42 AM PST US From: "Pilot" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: From the "bigger is better" crowd --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" Sorry, got my numbers from EAA #288. And, I even got the numbers wrong. It is: "Special guest Cyrillo Vergara treated us to a demonstration of his new and exciting SXE 3000 Turboprop. This light weight, self contained, high performance engine weighing only 132lb. can produce nearly 300 hp! After you've looked at the pictures below, click here to jump over to Cyrillo's spec sheet to get the complete story on this marvelous engine. Oh yes, he can configure it in a dual arrangement for 600 hp." http://eaa288.org/april1.htm (at the bottom of the page) ----- Original Message ----- From: "sportpilot" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: From the "bigger is better" crowd --> Zenith-List message posted by: "sportpilot" I don't think thats what it says.. more like 140 hp and 300 lbs not exactly the same thing.. :) Sport > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" > > I realize this would probably be overkill, but was wondering if anyone had ever thought of this to reach the "book speeds" that are advertised for the XL. It claims 145 lbs. and 300 hp(?). > > http://www.sea-plane.com/product_details_turboprop.htm > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:23 AM PST US From: "Thomas F Marson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: pop open access latch --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" Try Wag Aero. Tom M > Does anybody know where to buy those push to pop-open latches like are used on Cessna oil access doors? I haven't found any in ACS or Wicks. > > Bob > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:17 AM PST US From: "Thomas F Marson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" Put the tape rightup at the hinge and it wont flap. TomM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" > > Craig, > So far Norm has only used tape, and hasn't put in any permanent seals. He > reports the tape appeared to reduce his stall speed on his HDS by 4-5 kts, > and improve his cruise (at weight of around 400kg) by 3-5 kts. Improvement > in cruise at MTOW was marginal. > I'm wondering whether an aluminum gap seal would be more or less effective > than the tape. More, would be my guess, since the tape would have to flap > around when the ailerons are neutral in order to have enough to stretch over > the gap when the aileron is full up. > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com > > > > > > Subject: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations > > > > > Another is the aileron gap seals that Norm Turner tested and found to > > boost > > >cruise and lower stall speed by several knots. > > > > Does anyone know what Norm used to fabricate his gap seals, or any > > installion information? > > > > Craig S. > > N601XS, 601XL 0-235 lyc > > > > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the > > Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole > > use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > > message. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:42 AM PST US From: xl Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 canopy covers --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl My plane is tied down outside. I got my cover from Bruce's Custom Covers, Sunnyvale, CA. http://www.aircraftcovers.com/ $320. Very good quality. Joe N633Z @ BFI 69 hours On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Paul Hartl wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" > Does anyone have a recommendation for a Zodiac canopy cover, either homemade or > manufactured? > Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:58 AM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: canopy covers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" Paul The other day, Walmart had some car covers for $20. It was a kind of silvery material that is supposed to reflect the sun and the backside was not supposed to scratch. I bought the biggest I could find and plan on making a canopy cover out of it one day. Randy Stout n282rs"at"earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" > > List, > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a Zodiac canopy cover, either homemade or > manufactured? > > Thanks, > Paul ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:28 AM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com What are you using for a thread seal/lubricant for the fuel tank fittings? Martin Bima Martin, I'm using Permatex High temperature thread sealant. Its white paste you put on the threads before assembly. It doesn't dry but remains in its paste form. The back of the package states...Seals threaded metal fittings on hydrolic, pneumatic, fuel, and cooling systems. Item # 59214 purchased at Auto Zone autoparts store. Its worked great in all leak checks thus far. Brian 701 Long Island ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: From the "bigger is better" crowd From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com I'm sure price will be a huge factor. On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:45:08 -0700 "Pilot" writes: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" > > I realize this would probably be overkill, but was wondering if > anyone had ever thought of this to reach the "book speeds" that are > advertised for the XL. It claims 145 lbs. and 300 hp(?). > > http://www.sea-plane.com/product_details_turboprop.htm ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:02 AM PST US From: PHFD400@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 canopy cover --> Zenith-List message posted by: PHFD400@aol.com I had Bruce's covers make one for my 601HDS. Fits like a glove and does the job. Nice quality, has soft underside so not to scatch canopy. http://www.aircraftcovers.com/ Jim Olson Palm Harbor, FL CH601HDS 245 hrs ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:48 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: invitation for innovations --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Hi Bob Over the next week or so I will be making my step as well and I'm planning on doing an airfoil shape to reduce drag. I will take full photo's and post it as soon as possible, I'm also close to finishing the hookup for the Ford seat powered flap mechanism Will post that one ASAP. Mark Townsend 601XL EJ 2.2L Alma, Ontario www.ch601.org -----Original Message----- A small one I'm currently thinking about is a simple, lightweight step for my 601 that can be stored in the baggage compartment. It would lean against the joint between wing and fuselage, so that the main weight of the person using it is transferred to the ground. After use, pilot can lean over and pick it up and stow it. The tube step in the design looks pretty heavy as well as draggy. Bob ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:15 PM PST US From: "Jackie B. Johnson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy covers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jackie B. Johnson" I have Bruce's Custom Cover and have been very satisfied with it for 4-5 years..not cheap, but good quality,good fit..I have one of first he made for Zodiacs.. Jackie N5JZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hartl" Subject: Zenith-List: canopy covers > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl" > > List, > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a Zodiac canopy cover, either homemade or > manufactured? > > Thanks, > Paul > > Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300, finishing stages > Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website: http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl > Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147 > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: T-tape, and Chromate From: "Bima, Martin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" Just picked up 8 spray bombs of Zinc-Chromate from Canadian Tire - $7.99 each. Fuel does not hurt t-tape, the grinding of the interlocking threads hurts t-tape. I will try the paste - thanks. Martin Bima STOL-Vair www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:04 PM PST US From: Flydog1966@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com So there is no concearn of the liquid/paste thread seal/lubricant getting into the fuel system and causing bad things to happen? Flydog do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:58 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: canopy covers Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:50:56 -0400 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" >I have Bruce's Custom Cover and have been very satisfied with it for 4-5 >years...not cheap, but good quality,good fit. Ditto, ditto, ditto. Excellent product. do not archive jeff ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:52 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... From: "Hinde, Frank George" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George" Nope...flakes of as tiny particles rather than shards o tape which can block jets. Clearly one uses it sparingly though so as not to paste it into the inside of the fitting. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flydog1966@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com So there is no concearn of the liquid/paste thread seal/lubricant getting into the fuel system and causing bad things to happen? Flydog do not archive == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:46 PM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: T-tape, and Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Martin: I tried some aluminum primer from Canadian Tire that "Replaces Zinc Chromate". At least that is what it says. I don't think there is any zinc in that product. You may want to double check the can if you are expecting there to be zinc in your primer. Stuff seems to apply OK but whether it works as well as Z-C only time will tell. David --- "Bima, Martin" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" > > > Just picked up 8 spray bombs of Zinc-Chromate from > Canadian Tire - $7.99 > each. > > Fuel does not hurt t-tape, the grinding of the > interlocking threads > hurts t-tape. I will try the paste - thanks. > > Martin Bima > STOL-Vair > www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:22 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: T-tape, and Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" It is NOT the zinc that creates the problem... its the chrome (chromate)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Barth" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: T-tape, and Chromate > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > > Martin: > I tried some aluminum primer from Canadian Tire that > "Replaces Zinc Chromate". At least that is what it > says. I don't think there is any zinc in that product. > You may want to double check the can if you are > expecting there to be zinc in your primer. Stuff > seems to apply OK but whether it works as well as Z-C > only time will tell. > David > > --- "Bima, Martin" wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" > > > > > > Just picked up 8 spray bombs of Zinc-Chromate from > > Canadian Tire - $7.99 > > each. > > > > Fuel does not hurt t-tape, the grinding of the > > interlocking threads > > hurts t-tape. I will try the paste - thanks. > > > > Martin Bima > > STOL-Vair > > www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima > > > > > > > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > David Barth > 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? > Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting > > > __________________________________ > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:49 PM PST US From: "Thomas F Marson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" Any sealer should be used sparingly and then applied to the threads in a way that as much as possible keeps the sealer from entering the fuel system. With that said the non- solids are less likely to clog a small orfice in a carb or a Fuel injector or cause a check valve to leak or------?. Tom Marson ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant... > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com > > So there is no concearn of the liquid/paste thread seal/lubricant getting > into the fuel system and causing bad things to happen? > Flydog > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:55 PM PST US From: "gary" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel fittings seal/lubricant --> Zenith-List message posted by: "gary" > I'm using Permatex High temperature thread sealant. > Its white paste you put on the threads before assembly. It doesn't dry but > remains in its paste form. > The back of the package states...Seals threaded metal fittings on hydrolic, > pneumatic, fuel, and cooling systems. > > Item # 59214 purchased at Auto Zone autoparts store. > I used a white teflon paste and it worked ok on NPT fittings for about 70 hours and now it's weeping and getting gradually worse. It was recommended to me to use "black epoxy goop" from Spruce. Bought it, haven't tried it yet. Will probably switch to as many flare fittings as I can and use black goop on remainder. gary ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:07 PM PST US From: xl Subject: Zenith-List: I heard my muffler fail this time! --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl I replaced the Jabiru 3300 muffler a week and a half ago at ~63 hours. The stock new one cracked at ~70 hours. And I did hear it this time. I am now sensitized to the change in tone. It is louder but not as much as I'd think. 2500 rpm with the cracks sounded about like 3000 rpm without the cracks. It wasn't much different sounding than when the last one fell off. Somewhat like going from 1000 rpm to 3000 rpm on takeoff. When I landed and pulled the cowl I found the front right weld cracked at the top and was working down. The front left weld was cracked to about 2/3s of the way down. And when I moved the tailpipes up and down the cracks got bigger. It appears that once the cracks start they can get bigger quickly. The muffler bounces up and down and opens the cracks. Maybe I should stick with straight pipes. Is there a way to build a straight muffler (about 2.5" in diameter) that would be more neighborly than unmuffled pipes? Joe E. N633Z