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1. 12:53 AM - Re: Corvair Prop (Randy Stout)
2. 02:06 AM - Test (Bryan Martin)
3. 03:12 AM - Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? (Monty Graves)
4. 05:16 AM - Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? (Benford2@aol.com)
5. 06:32 AM - Re: 601xl assembly instructions 6B9 through 6B11 (W.R. \)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? (Robert Schoenberger)
7. 06:58 AM - flight training (Bob Miller)
8. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: 601xl assembly instructions 6B9 through 6B11 (Scott Laughlin)
9. 12:55 PM - Re: Corvair Prop (nhulin)
10. 03:45 PM - Re: 601XL or RV9A? (Dave VanLanen)
11. 03:54 PM - CH701with floats -- MTOW? (Gordon Duke)
12. 04:38 PM - Re: 601XL or RV9A? (Chris Boultinghouse)
13. 04:43 PM - Re: Gas Struts for 701 doors (Gary Gower)
14. 05:12 PM - Re: 601XL or RV9A? (John Williamson)
15. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: 601xl assembly instructions 6B9 through 6B11 (Ray Montagne)
16. 05:54 PM - Re: CH701with floats -- MTOW? (Bruce Johnson)
17. 05:57 PM - Re: 601XL or RV9A? (Bruce Johnson)
18. 06:11 PM - Re: CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop (danny@skyshops.org)
19. 06:23 PM - Re: CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop (Daniel Vandenberg)
20. 07:00 PM - Bruce Johnson comments on 3rd class medical (George Swinford)
21. 07:19 PM - Re: Bruce Johnson comments on 3rd class medical (Bruce Johnson)
22. 08:58 PM - Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? (Dave Alberti)
23. 09:16 PM - Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? (Pilot)
24. 09:47 PM - Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? (Dave Alberti)
25. 10:25 PM - Re: CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop (Chip W. Erwin)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
The only one I know of with a flying Vair/601xl, is William Wynne. I
believe he has a 2 blade 66" Warp Drive. He tried to convince me that a 66"
would be good for my HD, but I felt that a 66" would be pushing the ground
clearance since I have a nose gear. A 64" leaves me with 9.5 inches
clearance. If the bungee ever breaks, the prop is going to be awfully close
to the ground. Since William's is a tail dragger, it not so much an issue.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: <VideoFlyer@aol.com>
> To: <Zenith-List@matronics.com>
> Date: 7/19/04 9:44:27 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Prop
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
>
> I am building a 601XL and am looking very hard at the Corvair engine. I
> have WW's manual and have a line on a couple of engines. What size prop
is a
> good choice for this engine and plane? Two blade? Three blade? I
know the
> choices are many. I would just like to hear what some of you are using
and
> whether you're happy with your choice.
>
> Dave Harms
> videoflyer@aol.com
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
DUCT TAPE.
The EAA member that welded my 701 tanks, screwed a T fitting into the
female screen fitting, attached a pressure guage to one side of the T,
and air valve stem to the other side of the T. Sealed the remaining
openings with duct tape, and pressurized the tank to 5 lbs psi. Sprayed
the seems with soapy water. and repaired the leaks, then checked again.
Its a good thing he knew what he was doing, because I didn't
Monty
At 10:20 PM 7/19/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
>
>On Page 6W11 of my plans, at the bottom of the page, it says to pressure
test the tanks to approx 4 psi. An engineer worked it out for me as 9.3
feet of water, which I accomplished by hanging a length of vinyl tubing out
the upstairs bedroom window, attaching it to the vent pipe, and filling
tank and tubing through a funnel until I had the tube filled to the right
height. Not to throw rocks, but I suspect someone may have lost a decimal
point somewhere. My tanks didn't explode, but they did show a few small
leaks which needed attention. Realistically, though, how could you ever
develop 4 psi in a tank with an open vent tube built into the tank?
>
>Paul Rodriguez
>601XL, corvair powered
>wings done, starting on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 7/19/2004 9:22:46 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
PAULROD36@msn.com writes:
> PAULROD36@msn.com>
>
> On Page 6W11 of my plans, at the bottom of the page, it says to pressure
> test the tanks to approx 4 psi. An engineer worked it out for me as 9.3 feet
of
> water, which I accomplished by hanging a length of vinyl tubing out the
> upstairs bedroom window, attaching it to the vent pipe, and filling tank and
> tubing through a funnel until I had the tube filled to the right height. Not
to
> throw rocks, but I suspect someone may have lost a decimal point somewhere. My
> tanks didn't explode, but they did show a few small leaks which needed
> attention. Realistically, though, how could you ever develop 4 psi in a tank
with
> an open vent tube built into the tank?
>
My decimal point was incorrect.. sorry
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| Subject: | RE: 601xl assembly instructions 6B9 through 6B11 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "W.R. \"Gig\" Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
Once again Ray we are at the same place with the same problem. After about 3
weeks of banging my head against the work bench I think I figured something
out.
The plans show fairly clearly how the top forward longerons attach both
front and back. The plans and photo manual also show how to get the fuselage
in the right position.
My plan then is to attach the front of the top forward longerons then use
the jig to position the firewall and lock down the rear of the top forward
longerons.
I hope that is clear as mud. I've already done the first part (see
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR, I should have some photos up in a few minutes)
but I still have to cut out the jig this weekend.
I hope this is slightly more clear than mud.
Gig G.
Time: 10:21:50 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl assembly instructions 6B9 through 6B11
From: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
Hello 601XL Builders,
The 601XL assembly instructions for 6B9 and 6B10 cover assembly of the
rudder pedals, brake master cylinders and fitting of the firewall to the
front floor section. The last photo on page 3 of the 6B10 assembly
instructions shows the fuselage sides from the firewall back, all
miraculously assembled without further instruction. The 6B11 assembly
instructions are more of the same. There does not appear to be any
instruction on fitting the top forward longerons.
Am I missing something here or are other builders just proceeding on plans
only through this section?
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
With respect to the writer, I believe this reply is in error by a factor of
10. Imagine a cubic foot container of water, 12" on each side. The water in
the container weighs 62.4 pounds. On the bottom of the container, there are
144 square inches (12" x 12"). Each of these square inches is supporting a
column of water that is 1/144 th of the 62.4 pounds or O.43 pounds. Thus
every 12" of height generates 0.43 pounds of pressure on each bottom sq.
inch. 39" of water height would be 1.41 pounds on each of these square
inches on the bottom. Robert Schoenberger 701 40%
----- Original Message -----
From: <Benford2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/19/2004 11:57:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> drmiller@cvillepsychology.net writes:
>
>
> >
> > I know the fuel tank pressure test is supposed to be 39" of water, but
need
> > to know what it would be in PSI.
> > Does anybody know?
> > Bob
> >
>
> 39" of water is about 15 psi. If you pressurize your tanks to that you
will
> need new tanks if you survive the explosion,
>
> ben haas n801bh
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Scott Laughlin discovered that there is an exemption ("FAA Exemption 7162C") to the reg forbidding instruction in experimental aircraft. Jan at the EAA Safety Programs Office was very helpful, and the link (for EAA members) is http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/exemptions/training_faq.asp#TopOfPage
The exemption is issued to individual aircraft and is easy to get with a simple
form. It allows the aircraft to be rented to licensed pilots transitioning to
an experimental aircraft under the instruction of a CFI with appropriate certification
for instructing in experimental aircraft. The aircraft owner must
be a member of the EAA or NAFI (National Assoc of Flight Instructors) or SAMA
(whatever that is!).
Regarding insurance, the EAA website says:
"If you have an insurance policy with EAA's Aircraft Insurance Partner, Falcon
Insurance Agency, you might be able to extend your insurance coverage to another
pilot and or flight instructor who is renting your aircraft if you add them
as a named insured on your Falcon policy. To find out if this is possible with
your insurance policy, call EAA's Risk & Insurance Manager, Karen Kryzaniak,
at 888-322-4636, extension 4822 or 6106. You can also ask your insurance agent,
but Karen would have the latest available information. Karen's e-mail address
is: kkryzaniak@eaa.org . You may also call Falcon insurance at 866-647-4322."
Also from the website:
If I have questions concerning the sample flight or ground training syllabus, whom
can I call? Rusty Sachs, Executive Director of the National Association of
Flight Instructors (NAFI) at 888-322-4636, extension 6801 or e-mail nafi@eaa.org
.
If I have other questions concerning the FAA Exemption 7162, 7162A, 7162B or 7162C
who can I call? The EAA Safety Programs Administrator, Jan Streblow, manages
the administration of this exemption and can be reached at 888-322-4636, extension
6864 or e-mail safetyprograms@eaa.org.
So, thanks to Scott for unearthing this tidbit. Sure could make that first flight
safer.
Bob
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| Subject: | RE: 601xl assembly instructions 6B9 through 6B11 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Gig and Ray:
I don't usually chime in here, but I wanted to thank you guys for your
conversation on the list and your web photos. I generally find myself a
step or two behind you guys and that's a good thing because you always show
me the way when I need help. I'm sure I'm not alone in this, so I wanted to
say "Thank you" for your photos and notes on your websites - I use them a
lot.
Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing you finish the fuselage
and move on to your engine installations - hopefully right before I get
there.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----Original Message Follows----
From: "W.R. \"Gig\" Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
Once again Ray we are at the same place with the same problem.
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Prop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
At 07:44:57 PM PST US, VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote:
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Prop
<snip>What size prop is a good choice for this engine and plane? Two
blade? Three blade?
Dave Harms videoflyer@aol.com <snip>
Dave,
It is early days yet if you are still thinking about using the Corvair.
WW has a two blade Warp Drive, which I think is 67", on his 601XL. I was at
CC#7 and had some time to talk to Gus about the flight characteristics. I've
also quizzed WW about the three blade option. William's opinion is that for
this aircraft and HP range there may not be any advantage to a three blade
(and of course, it costs a little bit more and would be a touch heavier).
Gus is very complementary about the flying qualities of the current
601XL/Corvair/Warp Drive combination.
Since you won't be needing to make the decision any time soon, you can wait
until more information is available and WW's 601, and perhaps a few others,
have some more flight data. I'm sure WW will continue to refine the
engine/prop package over time since he is a true experimenter (gee, I wonder
what happened to our magazine about experimenting? I'm sure I knew an
association that used to do that sort of stuff - but I digress).
Come on guys, lets get a few more Corvair powered 601's in the air. I know
I'm trying to get there as fast as I can.
Tailwinds, ...neil
601XL/Corvair
Fuselage and stuff
Money and weight: some of the easiest things to put in a homebuilt.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Based on my research, there are two other advantages to the 601XL over the
RV-9A that were not mentioned:
* Higher payload
* Meets the new Sport Pilot requirements - this can be a big one, if
the builder were to lose his/her medical
Just my additional 2 cents worth.
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net
Still looking.
------------------ Original Message -----------------------------
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL or RV9A?
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Having built an HDS and having helped many folks build an RV the choice for
me is an obvious one...It has to be an RV.
I visited the RV factory on Friday and the the kits that are coming of of
true CNC tooling with MATCHED HOLES....
Frank
601 HDS 337 hours....Soon to start on an RV-7....:)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Mather
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL or RV9A?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
As per the title, I'm undecided whether to build an XL or go with a low-end
RV9A. The 9A would be built with a Lyc 0-235 and fixed pitch.....
Best regards
Peter
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| Subject: | CH701with floats -- MTOW? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon Duke" <gduke@csom.umn.edu>
I think my plans for an amphibious ch701 may have hit a weight limit. The
Czech website lists the 1150 amphibious floats (with nosewheels) at 82
pounds each. Twenty gallons of fuel comes to 120 pounds. The empty weight
of the ch701 may be about 600 pounds and the max t.o. weight is listed on
the zenithair site as 1100 pounds.
So, is my math correct that I, any passenger and baggage are limited to
216 pounds (1100 - 600 - 120 - 164) ? Does this limit a 160 pound pilot to
flying solo? Am I missing something? Thanks in advance. Do not archive.
== Gordon Duke
St. Paul, MN USA
701 rudder
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse" <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
> <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Based on my research, there are two other advantages to the 601XL over the
> RV-9A that were not mentioned:
>
> * Higher payload
>
> * Meets the new Sport Pilot requirements - this can be a
> big one, if
> the builder were to lose his/her medical
Actually, that's not relevant. If you *lose* your medical, you won't be able
to fly as a Sport Pilot either. Now, if you've never *had* a medical, that's
a different story. See the final rules posted on the FAA site today.
-Chris "going for a 3rd class renewal tomorrow" B.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Struts for 701 doors |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I Used a pair that a friend had for his Kitfox doors, He ordered 4 and
of course were too much Ahis doors!! one each door are enough.
They work just great and hold the door opened in the correct position.
When we tried to compress them, we thought that they were jacks to lift
the plane :-) but once installed they are perfect for the job.
They have a printing with this:
DO NOT OPEN - HIGH PRESSURE
SUSPA GRAND RAPIDS MI
C16- 18707 300375 317
Hope this helps, the photos will be posted in the photo share.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Time: 05:22:13 AM PST US
> From: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kudos to McMaster-Carr
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
>
> Hey Trevor. Which gas struts did you order? I've looked at them at
> McMaster-Carr
> and couldn't find the ones I wanted. I use McMaster-Carr a lot, you
> always,
> except weekends/holidays, get your package the next day.
>
> Larry N1345L
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <stol_airplane@comcast.net>
> * Meets the new Sport Pilot requirements - this can be a
> big one, if the builder were to lose his/her medical
Actually, that's not relevant. If you *lose* your medical, you won't be able
to fly as a Sport Pilot either. Now, if you've never *had* a medical, that's
a different story. See the final rules posted on the FAA site today.
-Chris "going for a 3rd class renewal tomorrow" B.
***********
Taken from the FAA Final Rule posted on the FAA.gov website:
"The FAA acknowledges that those interested only in exercising sport pilot
privileges may not seek airman medical certification or may allow their
current airman medical certificate to expire. This is acceptable under this
rule. Depending on the FAAs experience under this rule, however, it could
choose to establish a list of disqualifying medical conditions or even
revert to requiring airman medical certification if it becomes apparent that
those exercising sport pilot privileges are not exercising reasonable
judgment with regard to their medical fitness to fly." Effective Date: 1 Sep
2004.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 601xl assembly instructions 6B9 through 6B11 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 7/20/04 7:24 AM, "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Gig and Ray:
>
> I don't usually chime in here, but ...
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
Thanks Scott!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
===========================================================================
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL
Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Fuselage Under Construction
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| Subject: | CH701with floats -- MTOW? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" <bruce@satx.rr.com>
Usually, the floats add additional lift and therefore increase total gross.
I have no idea how much or what the formula might be.... Czech with the
manufacturer. >:-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Duke
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:01 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH701with floats -- MTOW?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon Duke" <gduke@csom.umn.edu>
>
> I think my plans for an amphibious ch701 may have hit a weight limit.
> The
> Czech website lists the 1150 amphibious floats (with nosewheels) at 82
> pounds each. Twenty gallons of fuel comes to 120 pounds. The empty
> weight
> of the ch701 may be about 600 pounds and the max t.o. weight is listed on
> the zenithair site as 1100 pounds.
>
> So, is my math correct that I, any passenger and baggage are limited to
> 216 pounds (1100 - 600 - 120 - 164) ? Does this limit a 160 pound pilot
> to
> flying solo? Am I missing something? Thanks in advance. Do not archive.
>
> == Gordon Duke
> St. Paul, MN USA
> 701 rudder
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" <bruce@satx.rr.com>
I've not even started my pilot lessons yet ... but...
I guarantee I'll NEVER go for a 3rd class medical checkup without having
gone to a different doctor a week or so before so I know the results of the
3rd class...
If I won't pass the 3rd class, my medical will expire and I'll be a sport
pilot...
Each medical will cost twice as much that way... but I'll be flying
longer...
Bruce
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Boultinghouse
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:42 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL or RV9A?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse"
> <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
> > <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Based on my research, there are two other advantages to the 601XL over
> the
> > RV-9A that were not mentioned:
> >
> > * Higher payload
> >
> > * Meets the new Sport Pilot requirements - this can be a
> > big one, if
> > the builder were to lose his/her medical
>
> Actually, that's not relevant. If you *lose* your medical, you won't be
> able
> to fly as a Sport Pilot either. Now, if you've never *had* a medical,
> that's
> a different story. See the final rules posted on the FAA site today.
>
> -Chris "going for a 3rd class renewal tomorrow" B.
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: danny@skyshops.org
Gordon,
The rule of thumb for float installation is: the floats carry their own
weight. Your gross weight should increase by the calculated weight of
the floats and rigging minus the landing gear which you take off.
By the way, we are on our way to Oshkosh and have some big discounts on
floats for the 701. Come by and see us at booth #450 (right opposite to
Zenith).
Thanks,
Danny & Zaneta
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Duke
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701with floats -- MTOW?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon Duke" <gduke@csom.umn.edu>
I think my plans for an amphibious ch701 may have hit a weight limit.
The
Czech website lists the 1150 amphibious floats (with nosewheels) at 82
pounds each. Twenty gallons of fuel comes to 120 pounds. The empty
weight
of the ch701 may be about 600 pounds and the max t.o. weight is listed
on
the zenithair site as 1100 pounds.
So, is my math correct that I, any passenger and baggage are limited
to
216 pounds (1100 - 600 - 120 - 164) ? Does this limit a 160 pound pilot
to
flying solo? Am I missing something? Thanks in advance. Do not
archive.
== Gordon Duke
St. Paul, MN USA
701 rudder
do not archive
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| Subject: | CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
Have you, or do you plan to, put the new 1200 amphib floats on the 601XL?
danny@skyshops.org wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: danny@skyshops.org
Gordon,
The rule of thumb for float installation is: the floats carry their own
weight. Your gross weight should increase by the calculated weight of
the floats and rigging minus the landing gear which you take off.
By the way, we are on our way to Oshkosh and have some big discounts on
floats for the 701. Come by and see us at booth #450 (right opposite to
Zenith).
Thanks,
Danny & Zaneta
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Duke
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701with floats -- MTOW?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon Duke"
I think my plans for an amphibious ch701 may have hit a weight limit.
The
Czech website lists the 1150 amphibious floats (with nosewheels) at 82
pounds each. Twenty gallons of fuel comes to 120 pounds. The empty
weight
of the ch701 may be about 600 pounds and the max t.o. weight is listed
on
the zenithair site as 1100 pounds.
So, is my math correct that I, any passenger and baggage are limited
to
216 pounds (1100 - 600 - 120 - 164) ? Does this limit a 160 pound pilot
to
flying solo? Am I missing something? Thanks in advance. Do not
archive.
== Gordon Duke
St. Paul, MN USA
701 rudder
do not archive
==
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| Subject: | Bruce Johnson comments on 3rd class medical |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
My experience has been that a third class FAA medical is no way comparable to an
annual physical from a good internist. My advice is, get a thorough physical
once a year for the sake of the wife and kids, as well as yourself. Time it to
occur a month or so before your third class exam is due. Then, if your annual
exam turns anything up you will have time to get it sorted out, rather just
reporting it to the FAA examiner. As to the expense, remember that you don't take
the FAA third class medical every year.
George Swinford
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| Subject: | Bruce Johnson comments on 3rd class medical |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" <bruce@satx.rr.com>
Thanks George...
I agree,
My comment is more directed to the fact that with the recent rules release,
your 3rd class medical should be kind of like a good lawyer's questions...
never go to one that you don't know what the outcome is going to be.
Otherwise you may lose your flying privileges forever. That, of course is
not a change... what IS a change is you now have a choice.
I've also heard several rumors of a proposed "sport-pilot medical cert"...
that may indeed change all that... and that would make too much sense, so
I'm sure it's just a rumor :-)
Bruce
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Swinford
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:13 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Bruce Johnson comments on 3rd class medical
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
>
> My experience has been that a third class FAA medical is no way comparable
> to an annual physical from a good internist. My advice is, get a thorough
> physical once a year for the sake of the wife and kids, as well as
> yourself. Time it to occur a month or so before your third class exam is
> due. Then, if your annual exam turns anything up you will have time to get
> it sorted out, rather just reporting it to the FAA examiner. As to the
> expense, remember that you don't take the FAA third class medical every
> year.
>
> George Swinford
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
I have a tough time believing a qubic foot of water weighs 62.4 lbs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
Schoenberger
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger"
<hrs1@frontiernet.net>
With respect to the writer, I believe this reply is in error by a factor of
10. Imagine a cubic foot container of water, 12" on each side. The water in
the container weighs 62.4 pounds.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
I have a tough time believing a qubic foot of water weighs 62.4 lbs
---------------------------------
Weight = (Weight density)(Volume)
For a 2 cubic foot container:
Weight = (62.4 lb./cubic foot) (2 cubic foot) = 125 pounds
Since there are about 7.5 gallons in a cubic foot the density of water is
also
Density of water = 8.3 lb./gallon
So the weight of 4 gallons of water is
Weight = (8.3 lb. / gallon) (4 gallons) = 33 pounds.
Since there are 8 pints in a gallon, the weight of one pint of water is
roughly 1 pound. If you drink 4 pints, you add about 4 pounds to your
weight.
The weight of water is equal to the density times the volume. If we assume
the density of water is 62.4 pounds per cubic foot, the following calculator
gives the weight of a selected volume of water. First, select the units you
want to use from the pull down menus. Then enter the volume and the
calculator will give the total weight.
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| Subject: | 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
Now that I think about it, I was thinking square feet not cubic feet. I
believe a cubic inch of water weighs .036 lbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pilot
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
I have a tough time believing a qubic foot of water weighs 62.4 lbs
---------------------------------
Weight = (Weight density)(Volume)
For a 2 cubic foot container:
Weight = (62.4 lb./cubic foot) (2 cubic foot) = 125 pounds
Since there are about 7.5 gallons in a cubic foot the density of water is
also
Density of water = 8.3 lb./gallon
So the weight of 4 gallons of water is
Weight = (8.3 lb. / gallon) (4 gallons) = 33 pounds.
Since there are 8 pints in a gallon, the weight of one pint of water is
roughly 1 pound. If you drink 4 pints, you add about 4 pounds to your
weight.
The weight of water is equal to the density times the volume. If we assume
the density of water is 62.4 pounds per cubic foot, the following calculator
gives the weight of a selected volume of water. First, select the units you
want to use from the pull down menus. Then enter the volume and the
calculator will give the total weight.
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| Subject: | CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W. Erwin" <aircraft@czaw.cz>
I have been flying the 601XL on floats for a couple years. It is very nice.
The gross weight is about 650 kg which fits nicely with the new LSA rule.
See our web site for some photos.
Chip
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Vandenberg
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
Have you, or do you plan to, put the new 1200 amphib floats on the 601XL?
danny@skyshops.org wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by:
danny@skyshops.org
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