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1. 04:18 AM - Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? (cgalley)
2. 06:11 AM - Verner 133 M engine (Dirk Slabbert)
3. 07:24 AM - Re: CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop (Daniel Vandenberg)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? (Robert Schoenberger)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: 601XL or RV9A? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
6. 08:34 AM - 601 Rudder Bushings (David Tellet)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: 601 Rudder Bushings (Scott Laughlin)
8. 09:12 AM - Re: 601 Rudder Bushings (Jack Russell)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: 601 Rudder Bushings (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 09:40 AM - OSH 2004 (royt.or@netzero.com)
11. 09:49 AM - Re: CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop (Chip W. Erwin)
12. 09:49 AM - Re: 601 Rudder Bushings (Leo J. Corbalis)
13. 10:01 AM - ZAC Dinner (Chuck Deiterich)
14. 10:04 AM - Re: OSH 2004 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
15. 11:16 AM - Re: ZAC Dinner ()
16. 11:32 AM - Re: ZAC Dinner (Ed Kramer)
17. 12:15 PM - Re: 601XL or RV9A? (Ray Montagne)
18. 12:25 PM - Re: OSH 2004 (88tierra)
19. 12:49 PM - Re: 601XL or RV9A? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
20. 12:50 PM - Re: ZAC Dinner (Jon Croke)
21. 01:19 PM - Oshkosh (Zenith Aircraft Company)
22. 01:21 PM - Re: OSH 2004 (Ed Kramer)
23. 02:37 PM - Re: CH701with floats -- MTOW? (Gordon Duke)
24. 02:41 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Dave Alberti)
25. 03:23 PM - Sport Pilot/LSA (Gig Giacona)
26. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: CH701with floats -- MTOW? (Robert Schoenberger)
27. 04:11 PM - anyone seen this (Ronnie Wehba)
28. 05:09 PM - Re: CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop (Daniel Vandenberg)
29. 05:18 PM - Re: ZAC Dinner (Chuck Deiterich)
30. 05:30 PM - Re: 601XL or RV9A? (Ray Montagne)
31. 07:00 PM - Re: OSH 2004 (Brett)
32. 07:00 PM - Re: OSH 2004 (Brett)
33. 07:01 PM - Re: OSH 2004 (Brett)
34. 08:56 PM - New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS (Tom Orsborn)
35. 11:08 PM - Re: CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop (Chip W. Erwin)
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Why? That is the standard number. What to you think gasoline weighs per
cubic foot? Remember there are only 231 cu inches in a gallon. - Old
Physics Teacher.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
>
> I have a tough time believing a qubic foot of water weighs 62.4 lbs
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
> Schoenberger
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI?
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger"
> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>
> With respect to the writer, I believe this reply is in error by a factor
of
> 10. Imagine a cubic foot container of water, 12" on each side. The water
in
> the container weighs 62.4 pounds.
>
>
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| Subject: | Verner 133 M engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Has anyone had a look at this engine for the 701?
Seems a lot lighter (143 lb) than the 912, same hp.
Dirk.
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| Subject: | CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
Chip...
Everybody in Zenith world, including me, knows the 601XL has been flying on floats
for years. That was not the question. The question was about the 601 on
the new 1200 amphib floats that Skyshop claims has made such an improvement in
the 701 cruise speed.
Thanks...
Dan
"Chip W. Erwin" <aircraft@czaw.cz> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W. Erwin"
I have been flying the 601XL on floats for a couple years. It is very nice.
The gross weight is about 650 kg which fits nicely with the new LSA rule.
See our web site for some photos.
Chip
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Vandenberg
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg
Have you, or do you plan to, put the new 1200 amphib floats on the 601XL?
danny@skyshops.org wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by:
danny@skyshops.org
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Tch! Tch! - such a lack of faith. And salt water weighs 64.3 lbs. per cubic
foot. Have a quality day! do not archive. Robert Schoenberger 701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
>
> I have a tough time believing a qubic foot of water weighs 62.4 lbs
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
> Schoenberger
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Fuel Tank pressure test--what's the PSI?
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger"
> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>
> With respect to the writer, I believe this reply is in error by a factor
of
> 10. Imagine a cubic foot container of water, 12" on each side. The water
in
> the container weighs 62.4 pounds.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
And if you build a nice RV9A you'll be able to sell it for what you got
in it.....:)
I'm surprised at the higher payload I have not checked this out. I can
tell you that airplanes fly over gross weight all the time. While I
don't specifically condone this I do do it on a big camping trip. Note
the guy who flew round the world o=in his RV4...Van's specifically
approved a 36% over gross weight so he could carry all the fuel...Not
structural modifactions at all.
The HDS flys like a duck at 50lbs over and the stall speed goes up by
5mph. I know the RV9 has a particularly low stall speed and I bet
therfore a very low wing loading.
I bet as long as your CG does not go behind the aft CG it will be a big
factor between the A/C...Unless you really want to pull 4G on a cross
country...:)
Frank
HDS 337 hours with Ram heads
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Johnson
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL or RV9A?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" <bruce@satx.rr.com>
I've not even started my pilot lessons yet ... but...
I guarantee I'll NEVER go for a 3rd class medical checkup without having
gone to a different doctor a week or so before so I know the results of
the 3rd class...
If I won't pass the 3rd class, my medical will expire and I'll be a
sport pilot...
Each medical will cost twice as much that way... but I'll be flying
longer...
Bruce
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Boultinghouse
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:42 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL or RV9A?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse"
> <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
> > <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Based on my research, there are two other advantages to the 601XL
> > over
> the
> > RV-9A that were not mentioned:
> >
> > * Higher payload
> >
> > * Meets the new Sport Pilot requirements - this can be a
> > big one, if
> > the builder were to lose his/her medical
>
> Actually, that's not relevant. If you *lose* your medical, you won't
> be able to fly as a Sport Pilot either. Now, if you've never *had* a
> medical, that's
> a different story. See the final rules posted on the FAA site today.
>
> -Chris "going for a 3rd class renewal tomorrow" B.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 Rudder Bushings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet <telletdl99@mac.com>
List,
The bushing for the lower rudder hinge that Zenith provided is about an inch
long but the space between the plates is about 4 mm. Is the intention that we
cut these to size? Or did I just get the wrong piece?
I looked in the archives but I'm still not sure I understand how these bushings
are supposed to work. Is the idea that they are press fitted into the hinge
plates and then bolted so they don't move out of the plates, or are they loose
and allowed to rotate in the plates?
Also, should I fit the horiz stab on the rear fuse before setting the rudder
hinge plates to make sure all clearances are met?
As always, thanks for the help.
David Tellet
601HD ~50% done
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| Subject: | 601 Rudder Bushings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
David:
I'm monkeying around with this very issue as well. I'm making mine from 1
foot of 1/4" X .028 tubing, so I don't know what Zenith supplies. Someone
else will have to jump in with that answer.
But for the second part of your question, I interpret the drawings to show
the bushing clamped between the bolt head and the nut. The bushing turns
inside of the rudder hinges. The bushing turns with the bolt - the bolt
does not turn inside the bushing. If anybody knows different, please let us
know.
I plan to chuck the tubing in my lathe and square up the faces to the exact
4.2mm dimension (as close as possible). You could probably do this on a
drill press with sandpaper or a file on the table portion if you were
careful.
I'm fitting mine without the Horiz. Stab drilled. I hope that's not a
mistake.
Scott Laughlin
Website down due to DOS attack
www.cooknwithgas.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----Original Message Follows----
From: David Tellet <telletdl99@mac.com>
Is the intention that we cut these to size? Or did I just get the wrong
piece?
Also, should I fit the horiz stab on the rear fuse before setting the
rudder hinge plates to make sure all clearances are met?
As always, thanks for the help.
David Tellet
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder Bushings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
David: Unless Zenith changed the kit you have the wrong bushing in your hand. My
lower bushing fit the lower bearing without cutting.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet
The bushing for the lower rudder hinge that Zenith provided is about an inch long
but the space between the plates is about 4 mm. Is the intention that we cut
these to size? Or did I just get the wrong piece?
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | 601 Rudder Bushings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
The bushings are supposed to clamp tight and not rotate. You need to cut
them to length.
Yes mount the horiz stab first...I remember pulling mine forward a bit
to clear the rudder. I spent quite a lot of time getting full deflection
on all the surfaces. A bit of a waste of time really, I don't think I
ever used full rudder except when doing spins!
If you ever need full elevator its probably 'cuz your engine fell off!
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Tellet
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Rudder Bushings
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet <telletdl99@mac.com>
List,
The bushing for the lower rudder hinge that Zenith provided is about
an inch long but the space between the plates is about 4 mm. Is the
intention that we cut these to size? Or did I just get the wrong piece?
I looked in the archives but I'm still not sure I understand how
these bushings are supposed to work. Is the idea that they are press
fitted into the hinge plates and then bolted so they don't move out of
the plates, or are they loose and allowed to rotate in the plates?
Also, should I fit the horiz stab on the rear fuse before setting the
rudder hinge plates to make sure all clearances are met?
As always, thanks for the help.
David Tellet
601HD ~50% done
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" <royt.or@netzero.com>
Hi,
I'll be flying N601RT from Oregon to OSH again this year. I expect to be at OSH
from Tues thru part of Friday. I'm sure to see some of you at the Zenith Builders
dinner on Thursday evening.
Is anyone else flying a Zenith to OSH this year? Any meeting time/place for list
members?
If anyone wants to meet me (or see N601RT) at OSH send me an email before Friday
7/23 end of day and I send you my cell phone number.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 239hrs,
328 landings
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| Subject: | CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W. Erwin" <aircraft@czaw.cz>
We changed the installation angle on the 701 which results in slightly
longer take-off runs and significantly improved cruise. The 601XL does not
hae the extreme rotation angles as possible with the 701 so the angle is
already low on the 601.
CHIP
CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS
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686 02
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TEL: +420 572 543 456
FAX: +420 572 543 692
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Chip...
Everybody in Zenith world, including me, knows the 601XL has been flying on
floats for years. That was not the question. The question was about the
601 on the new 1200 amphib floats that Skyshop claims has made such an
improvement in the 701 cruise speed.
Thanks...
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Rudder Bushings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
The design is that the bushing is clamped tight and the bolt never twists so
you don't need a cotter pin in the nut. All the movement is between the 1/8
in. aluminum and the outside of the bushing. Yes you have to cut the yube to
length. Get a friend with a lathe to make a few, varying the length by 1/2
mm. The stab goes as far foreward as possible and you may still have some
interference at maximum deflection. To trial fit, just use 2 rivets on each
stab support so you can drill them out and move stuff and then drill and
final rivet the brackets.
Leo Corbalis
601HDS
Zenith-List message posted by: David Tellet <telletdl99@mac.com>
>
> The bushing for the lower rudder hinge that Zenith provided is about an
inch long but the space between the plates is about 4 mm. Is the intention
that we cut these to size? Or did I just get the wrong piece?
>
> I looked in the archives but I'm still not sure I understand how these
bushings are supposed to work. Is the idea that they are press fitted into
the hinge plates and then bolted so they don't move out of the plates, or
are they loose and allowed to rotate in the plates?
>
> Also, should I fit the horiz stab on the rear fuse before setting the
rudder hinge plates to make sure all clearances are met?
>
> As always, thanks for the help.
>
>
> David Tellet
> 601HD ~50% done
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Listers,
Is anyone planning to attend the July 29, ZAC dinner at Oshkosh? USA Jabiru is
having a gathering the same day but Pete K. says it will last to after dark so
I hope to go to it after the ZAC fling.
Chuck D.
N701TX
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Roy you're an animal...:)
Frank
Do not archive
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
royt.or@netzero.com
Subject: Zenith-List: OSH 2004
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com"
--> <royt.or@netzero.com>
Hi,
I'll be flying N601RT from Oregon to OSH again this year. I expect to be
at OSH from Tues thru part of Friday. I'm sure to see some of you at the
Zenith Builders dinner on Thursday evening.
Is anyone else flying a Zenith to OSH this year? Any meeting time/place
for list members?
If anyone wants to meet me (or see N601RT) at OSH send me an email
before Friday 7/23 end of day and I send you my cell phone number.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,
239hrs, 328 landings
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <pstafford@attglobal.net>
I will be there... Where and when is the Jabiru dinner?
Pat S.
Do not archive
Patrick M. Stafford, Ph.D.
Director of Medical Physics
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Deiterich
Subject: Zenith-List: ZAC Dinner
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Listers,
Is anyone planning to attend the July 29, ZAC dinner at Oshkosh? USA Jabiru
is having a gathering the same day but Pete K. says it will last to after
dark so I hope to go to it after the ZAC fling.
Chuck D.
N701TX
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
I'm going, hope to meet some of you there.
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701
edair701@adelphia.net
Build Status: Stalled until cold weather.
Completed: Rudder, Left wing, Right wing.
Working On: Flaperons 50%
Do Not Archive
> Listers,
>
> Is anyone planning to attend the July 29, ZAC dinner at Oshkosh? USA
Jabiru is having a gathering the same day but Pete K. says it will last to
after dark so I hope to go to it after the ZAC fling.
>
> Chuck D.
> N701TX
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL or RV9A? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 7/21/04 7:55 AM, "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> I'm surprised at the higher payload I have not checked this out. I can
> tell you that airplanes fly over gross weight all the time.
Yes - and Alaska Bush Pilots do it all the time too - with certified
aircraft. That does not make the practice safe. You are forever a test
pilot when flying an aircraft that this has been done in just one time.
Further, all passengers are also put into the same category as a test pilot.
Overstressing is cumulative and ultimately can be catastrophic.
See <http://www.bushplanes.com/background.html> which has a good article on
this issue.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "88tierra" <lnk@cis.net>
It is unlikely that I would be able to make the dinner as I am driving in
after work on the 29th but I would like to stop in later if possible. Where
is the dinner to be held?
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
royt.or@netzero.com
Subject: Zenith-List: OSH 2004
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com"
--> <royt.or@netzero.com>
Hi,
I'll be flying N601RT from Oregon to OSH again this year. I expect to be at
OSH from Tues thru part of Friday. I'm sure to see some of you at the Zenith
Builders dinner on Thursday evening.
Is anyone else flying a Zenith to OSH this year? Any meeting time/place for
list members?
If anyone wants to meet me (or see N601RT) at OSH send me an email before
Friday 7/23 end of day and I send you my cell phone number.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,
239hrs, 328 landings
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Like I said I don't condone it for everyone but for on an occasional
basis its OK.
Remember this airframe is supposedly rated to 6G at gross weight...So
we'll call that 4.5 G with a 1.5 safety factor.
4.5G is a significant number (full loops are done at about 3G) and
almost impossible to achieve on a cross country.
Significant safety margin I think. The flying is a different matter, the
stall will be higher.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Montagne
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL or RV9A?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 7/21/04 7:55 AM, "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> I'm surprised at the higher payload I have not checked this out. I can
> tell you that airplanes fly over gross weight all the time.
Yes - and Alaska Bush Pilots do it all the time too - with certified
aircraft. That does not make the practice safe. You are forever a test
pilot when flying an aircraft that this has been done in just one time.
Further, all passengers are also put into the same category as a test
pilot.
Overstressing is cumulative and ultimately can be catastrophic.
See <http://www.bushplanes.com/background.html> which has a good article
on this issue.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL
Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Fuselage Under Construction
NOTE: Heavy SPAM filters in place. Replies that do not include
the word 'Zenith' or 'Zodiac' will be rejected and will not
be viewable by me.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
I am planning too, to attend the dinner.
As I recall from previous dinners that I made in the past, there were no
name tags... so you really had to work a little extra hard at making
contacts to the 'hey you' across the table....
I will try to get a hold of a bunch of name tages to have ready at the door,
or sooner (ZAC booth).
I missed last year, was this issue taken care of then??
across the Green Bay from Osh
Jon
N701US
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <pstafford@attglobal.net>
>
> I will be there... Where and when is the Jabiru dinner?
>
> Pat S.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Patrick M. Stafford, Ph.D.
> Director of Medical Physics
> New Mexico Cancer Center
> 4901 Lang Blvd. NE
> Albuquerque, NM 87109
>
> 505-842-8171
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
Deiterich
> To: zenith-list
> Subject: Zenith-List: ZAC Dinner
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
>
> Listers,
>
> Is anyone planning to attend the July 29, ZAC dinner at Oshkosh? USA
Jabiru
> is having a gathering the same day but Pete K. says it will last to after
> dark so I hope to go to it after the ZAC fling.
>
> Chuck D.
> N701TX
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zenith Aircraft Company" <info@zenithair.com>
Hi List!
We have a unique opportunity to display a Zodiac at the EAA
membership tent at AirVenture. EAA staff have asked us to locate a
builder of a completed ZODIAC to display at the main EAA membership
tent on the fly-in grounds (July 26 - August 2). This is a prime
location and excellent exposure for your airplane (yet your plane
would be secured and cordoned off). Please let me know if you would
be interested.
At Oshkosh next week:
Builders Dinner: Thursday, July 29: 6:00 - 8:00 pm: Robbins
Restaurant, 1810 Omro Road (Hwy 21), Oshkosh. RSVP at Zenith booth.
Chris Heintz will review his 30 years as a light-aircraft designer in
a special forum on July 28 at 2:30 pm: "1974-2004: Light Aircraft
Designs From Chris Heintz Over The Past 30 Years"
For additional info about Zenith at Oshkosh:
http://www.zenithair.com/news/oshkosh2004.html
For the latest news and updates about the new FAA Sport Pilot Rule:
http://www.zenithair.com/news/sport-pilot.html and
http://www.sportpilot.org
See you next week at Oshkosh!
Sebastien Heintz
Zenith Aircraft Company
http://www.zenithair.com
Tel: (573) 581-9000
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "88tierra" <lnk@cis.net>
>Where is the dinner to be held?
Zenair Builders Dinner: Thursday, July 29: 6:00 - 8:00 pm: Robbins
Restaurant, 1810 Omro Road (Hwy 21), Oshkosh, WI. RSVP at the Zenith booth.
There is a link for the dinner with all the info including driving
directions in the builders pages on the Zenith Website.
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701
edair701@adelphia.net
Build Status: Stalled until cold weather.
Completed: Rudder, Left wing, Right wing.
Working On: Flaperons 50%
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| Subject: | RE: CH701with floats -- MTOW? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon Duke" <gduke@csom.umn.edu>
Please allow me to pursue my question about the effect of floats on max
take-off weight. I do not see how floats can do anything other than eat up
weight capacity. In my opinion, the issue is possible overstress of the
airframe. The added structural rigging of floats may beef up the front of
the fuselage, but does nothing for the wings and aft fuselage. If I am
flying a 701 at more than 1100 pounds, how can I not have an increased risk
of overstressing the airplane no matter what the source of the extra weight?
In support, I found that the Department of the Interior faced a similar
question of flying amphibian C206's overgross by about 300 pounds. They had
an extensive study and detailed specific directions for when this was to be
allowed. Of interest to me was a reference to "FAA Certified MTGW" and a
requirement for special inspections in the event that G loads exceeded +2.5
or -0.5 G.
http://www.oas.gov/library/opm/04-50.pdf
It seems prudent to strengthen the wings and the aft fuselage or as a
minimum, install a G-meter and fly very gently.
== Gordon Duke
St. Paul, MN USA
701 rudder
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
I plan on flying in on Sunday Morning and did not anticipate flying during
the event. I live in Milwaukee so it's a short hop for me.
Dave Alberti
601 HD 912ULS
N8513Z
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Zenith
Aircraft Company
Subject: Zenith-List: Oshkosh
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zenith Aircraft Company"
<info@zenithair.com>
Hi List!
We have a unique opportunity to display a Zodiac at the EAA
membership tent at AirVenture. EAA staff have asked us to locate a
builder of a completed ZODIAC to display at the main EAA membership
tent on the fly-in grounds (July 26 - August 2). This is a prime
location and excellent exposure for your airplane (yet your plane
would be secured and cordoned off). Please let me know if you would
be interested.
At Oshkosh next week:
Builders Dinner: Thursday, July 29: 6:00 - 8:00 pm: Robbins
Restaurant, 1810 Omro Road (Hwy 21), Oshkosh. RSVP at Zenith booth.
Chris Heintz will review his 30 years as a light-aircraft designer in
a special forum on July 28 at 2:30 pm: "1974-2004: Light Aircraft
Designs From Chris Heintz Over The Past 30 Years"
For additional info about Zenith at Oshkosh:
http://www.zenithair.com/news/oshkosh2004.html
For the latest news and updates about the new FAA Sport Pilot Rule:
http://www.zenithair.com/news/sport-pilot.html and
http://www.sportpilot.org
See you next week at Oshkosh!
Sebastien Heintz
Zenith Aircraft Company
http://www.zenithair.com
Tel: (573) 581-9000
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
This from EAA
Quick Answers to Sport Pilot Questions
Here is a collection of answers to some of the more common Sport Pilot
questions received this week at EAA headquarters.
Gross weight = 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms)
Floatplanes = 1,430 (650 kilograms)
Maximum Full Power Speed = 120 knots (138 mph)
Stall Speed = 45 knots (52 mph) no more dual stall speeds
Fixed Prop - may be ground adjustable
Fixed Gear - amphibians allowed "repositionable" gear
Two- Place - pilot and one passenger
Day VFR
Driver's License Medical Approved - however, if you have received a letter
with the word "denied" from FAA, not from your doctor, you must get a
one-time special issuance or FAA authorization even if you have been
denied in the past, you can try again for special issuance (medicines have
changed, for example) more on this as EAA continues to analyze the new
rule.
Owner Maintenance Approved on ELSAs - no changes - if you are operating an
Amateur-Built or Standard category as an LSA, maintenance remains as it was
without change.
No Recertification of aircraft required or permitted (this means ultralights
are converted to ELSAs; all other aircraft certification and maintenance
remain the same).
Rule Effective Date = 9/1/04.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: CH701with floats -- MTOW? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
What if the aerodynamics of the floats have an upward push against the
bottom of the fus? Wouldn't this lessen the load? Just a thought. Robert
Schoenberger 701 Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Duke" <gduke@csom.umn.edu>
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: CH701with floats -- MTOW?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon Duke" <gduke@csom.umn.edu>
>
> Please allow me to pursue my question about the effect of floats on max
> take-off weight. I do not see how floats can do anything other than eat
up
> weight capacity. In my opinion, the issue is possible overstress of the
> airframe. The added structural rigging of floats may beef up the front of
> the fuselage, but does nothing for the wings and aft fuselage. If I am
> flying a 701 at more than 1100 pounds, how can I not have an increased
risk
> of overstressing the airplane no matter what the source of the extra
weight?
>
> In support, I found that the Department of the Interior faced a similar
> question of flying amphibian C206's overgross by about 300 pounds. They
had
> an extensive study and detailed specific directions for when this was to
be
> allowed. Of interest to me was a reference to "FAA Certified MTGW" and a
> requirement for special inspections in the event that G loads exceeded
+2.5
> or -0.5 G.
>
> http://www.oas.gov/library/opm/04-50.pdf
>
> It seems prudent to strengthen the wings and the aft fuselage or as a
> minimum, install a G-meter and fly very gently.
>
> == Gordon Duke
> St. Paul, MN USA
> 701 rudder
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | anyone seen this |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wehba" <rwehba@cox.net>
http://www.sauer-flugmotorenbau.de/
look at the oil lines to the intake
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| Subject: | CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
Chip...
Based on your website, it is my impression that the new 1200 amphib setup allows
the removal of the nosegear, and also has a redesigned maingear retraction system
that allows for improved streamlining in that area. Both of these changes
would, in theory, improve cruise speed indepentant of the angle of the installation
angle.
That is why I asked the question as to whether you have tried these floats on the
601XL. I am very interested in the 601XL on floats and the availability of
the package may sway me into building the 601XL instead of the RV-9A.
So may I ask the question again? Have you tried the new 1200 ampib floats on the
601XL, or do you plan to? Do you see any potential increase in cruise speed
with the 1200 amphibs on the 601XL?
Thanks...
Dan
"Chip W. Erwin" <aircraft@czaw.cz> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W. Erwin"
We changed the installation angle on the 701 which results in slightly
longer take-off runs and significantly improved cruise. The 601XL does not
hae the extreme rotation angles as possible with the 701 so the angle is
already low on the 601.
CHIP
CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS
LUCNI 1824
686 02
STARE MESTO, CZECH REPUBLIC
TEL: +420 572 543 456
FAX: +420 572 543 692
USA FAX: 772-264-0936
E-MAIL: AIRCRAFT@CZAW.CZ
WWW.AIRPLANE.CZ
Chip...
Everybody in Zenith world, including me, knows the 601XL has been flying on
floats for years. That was not the question. The question was about the
601 on the new 1200 amphib floats that Skyshop claims has made such an
improvement in the 701 cruise speed.
Thanks...
Dan
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Pat,
I got this off the Jabiru List.
Chuck
From: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@a...>
Subject: Oshkosh Jabiru Party
Hello All Listers,
Once again Jabiru USA Flight Center will host its annual Jabiru party and
fly in on Thursday evening of the Oshkosh Airventure Show. The event will
once again be held at Brennand Airport, 12 miles north of OSH and commence
as soon after the afternoon Airshow as possible. EAA Ultralight Chapter 41
will again cook brats and burgers, and sweet corn. Beer & soda pop will be
provided. Weather permitting we will have Jabiru aircraft and Jabiru
powered aircraft in the air at all times. Please stop by the booth (booth
410 & 411 in the north aircraft display) for tickets and directions. We'll
find transportation for you if needed. All you care to eat brats, burgers,
sweet corn, pop, & beer for a $5.00 donation to the UL Chapter 41.
Hope to see you there and we're looking to break the attendance record of
123 set last year!
From Oshkosh:
Travel north on Hwy 41 about 4.5 miles north of the bridge.
Exit 41 on Hwy 76 north (for those with older maps - hwy 76 was hwy 45 last
year)
Travel north 4 miles to the stop light at 76 & Breezewood
Turn Left on Breezewood and go mile to airport on right.
Park in parking
See www.usjabiru.com <http://www.usjabiru.com/> for details.
Pete
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <pstafford@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: ZAC Dinner
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <pstafford@attglobal.net>
>
> I will be there... Where and when is the Jabiru dinner?
>
> Pat S.
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL or RV9A? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 7/21/04 12:47 PM, "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> but for on an occasional basis its OK.
I'm not intending to create a big argument but actually it is not OK - ever.
Drain a little fuel or leave something behind but please do not fly over
gross. You don't know when you might encounter unexpected turbulence that
may overstress a component, possibly not to the point of immediate failure
but weakening the component such that it no longer can tolerate its original
design limits. Be aware that light acceleration forces may lead to
catastrophic failure after overloading. Each overload event is cumulative
(ask any aerobatic pilot about cumulative stress) and your betting your life
(and possibly your passengers) that you'll get away with this in the future
because you've gotten away with it in the past.
I'm not intending to argue. I am very concerned about your safety. I would
very much like to continue to see your posts to this list.
I refer you back to <http://www.bushplanes.com/background.html> and more
specifically, search the page for "REAL WORLD RAMIFICATIONS OF THE
PERFORMANCE OF THE EXISTING BUSH PLANE FLEET".
Best regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
I'll be in booth #35 in the main display area. Stop by and see me.
Brett
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com"
<royt.or@netzero.com>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'll be flying N601RT from Oregon to OSH again this year. I expect
to be at OSH from Tues thru part of Friday. I'm sure to see some of
you at the Zenith Builders dinner on Thursday evening.
>
> Is anyone else flying a Zenith to OSH this year? Any meeting
time/place for list members?
>
> If anyone wants to meet me (or see N601RT) at OSH send me an email
before Friday 7/23 end of day and I send you my cell phone number.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy
>
> N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR
equipped, 239hrs, 328 landings
>
>
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
I'll be in booth #35 in the main display area. Stop by and see me.
Brett
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com"
<royt.or@netzero.com>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'll be flying N601RT from Oregon to OSH again this year. I expect
to be at OSH from Tues thru part of Friday. I'm sure to see some of
you at the Zenith Builders dinner on Thursday evening.
>
> Is anyone else flying a Zenith to OSH this year? Any meeting
time/place for list members?
>
> If anyone wants to meet me (or see N601RT) at OSH send me an email
before Friday 7/23 end of day and I send you my cell phone number.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy
>
> N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR
equipped, 239hrs, 328 landings
>
>
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
I'll be in booth #35 in the main display area. Stop by and see me.
Brett
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com"
<royt.or@netzero.com>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'll be flying N601RT from Oregon to OSH again this year. I expect
to be at OSH from Tues thru part of Friday. I'm sure to see some of
you at the Zenith Builders dinner on Thursday evening.
>
> Is anyone else flying a Zenith to OSH this year? Any meeting
time/place for list members?
>
> If anyone wants to meet me (or see N601RT) at OSH send me an email
before Friday 7/23 end of day and I send you my cell phone number.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy
>
> N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR
equipped, 239hrs, 328 landings
>
>
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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| Subject: | New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Orsborn" <tom-orsborn@houston.rr.com>
Has anyone explored what it takes to get the 601HDS at gross below the new Sport
Pilot limits of 45 knots/52 mph stall speed.
Tom Orsborn
tom-orsborn@houston.rr.com
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| Subject: | CH701with floats -- MTOW? Skyshop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W. Erwin" <aircraft@czaw.cz>
No, we did not install 4-wheel system to the 601XL. It would make a
difference in cruise speed, but it would be hard for me to give you accurate
data. Perhaps 4-5 mph increase in cruise.
We do make floats for the RV. They are more than double the cost as they are
a few sizes bigger.
Regards,
CHIP
CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS
LUCNI 1824
686 02
STARE MESTO, CZECH REPUBLIC
TEL: +420 572 543 456
FAX: +420 572 543 692
USA FAX: 772-264-0936
E-MAIL: AIRCRAFT@CZAW.CZ
WWW.AIRPLANE.CZ
Based on your website, it is my impression that the new 1200 amphib setup
allows the removal of the nosegear, and also has a redesigned maingear
retraction system that allows for improved streamlining in that area. Both
of these changes would, in theory, improve cruise speed indepentant of the
angle of the installation angle.
That is why I asked the question as to whether you have tried these floats
on the 601XL. I am very interested in the 601XL on floats and the
availability of the package may sway me into building the 601XL instead of
the RV-9A.
So may I ask the question again? Have you tried the new 1200 ampib floats
on the 601XL, or do you plan to? Do you see any potential increase in
cruise speed with the 1200 amphibs on the 601XL?
Thanks...
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