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1. 05:16 AM - flaps, flaperons of no help to LSA stall speeds (Phil Raker)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: 701 nose bungee... (J Davis)
3. 06:52 AM - Re: flaps, flaperons of no help to LSA stall speeds (Bruce Johnson)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: flaps, flaperons of no help to LSA stall speeds (Bruce Johnson)
5. 01:06 PM - Strobe power supply (Brandon Tucker)
6. 01:30 PM - 801 - window screws (rbauer@intergate.com)
7. 01:36 PM - Re: Strobe power supply (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 01:45 PM - Re: Strobe power supply (Lance Gingell)
9. 02:09 PM - Re: Strobe power supply (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 02:33 PM - Ammeter or voltmeter? (Trevor Page)
11. 02:54 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 03:08 PM - Re: I have HD wings if anyone wants to trade them for HDS (Bob Miller)
13. 03:13 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (Bryan Martin)
14. 03:56 PM - Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS (The Meiste's)
15. 04:05 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (Frank Stutzman)
16. 04:10 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (Jon Croke)
17. 04:23 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (Jon Croke)
18. 04:34 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (Zed Smith)
19. 04:37 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (Karl)
20. 05:31 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (Ray Montagne)
21. 06:09 PM - Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS (Randy Stout)
22. 06:45 PM - Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS (Ron DeWees)
23. 07:06 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (The Meiste's)
24. 07:27 PM - Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS (The Meiste's)
25. 07:38 PM - Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS (The Meiste's)
26. 07:46 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (Thomas F Marson)
27. 07:55 PM - Re: Strobe power supply (Thomas F Marson)
28. 09:48 PM - Re: 801 tail kit (Rmtnview@aol.com)
29. 10:40 PM - Re: 801 tail kit (Benford2@aol.com)
30. 11:47 PM - Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? (xl)
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| Subject: | flaps, flaperons of no help to LSA stall speeds |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
Thanks, Jeff, for that "clarification".
I haven't yet read the actual final rule, so I don't know what it really
says. So far, we are all going on someone else's interpretations. EAA SHOULD
have it pretty well understood. It sounds, now, as though they're saying that
stall speed in the LANDING CONFIGURATION makes no difference! In other words,
a plane could stall clean at 46KTS, but have very effective flaps, and stall
dirty at 20KTS, and they would say it doesn't qualify for LSA status. Time
will tell whether that interpretation stands. If it does, there's no way an
HDS can ever qualify as an LSA. The only recourse would be to build a set of
HD wings.
Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% complete
> Time: 06:26:08 PM PST US
> From: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: flaps, flaperons of no help to LSA stall speeds
> Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:26:53 -0400
>
> from tonight's EAA e-mail hotline:
>
>
> Question of the Week
> Question for EAA Aviation Information Services:
>
> Your summary of the final stall speed (for the sport pilot/light-sport
> aircraft) rule confuses me a bit. If an aircraft that stalls at less than 45
> knots with flaps, can it qualify for LSA even if it stalls at a speed above
> 45 knots without flaps, or is the only configuration that matters the "clean"
> stall speed?
>
> Answer
> The aircraft must have a stall speed of 45 knots or less without the use
> of lift enhancing devices. In other words, a clean stall speed of 45 knots or
> less. Sorry, but the aircraft you describe in your question would not qualify
> for operation by sport pilots.
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 nose bungee... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: J Davis <jd@lri.sjhc.london.on.ca>
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 JERICKSON03E@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
>
> See 701 SP print 7-L-1, P/N 1080 5/8" X 8" {inside dimension}
>
> Wicks shows several, with that P.N. included and in that size. Different
> weight's though. So call ZAC and ask for the weight & full PN for the SP.
>
>
From a message I submitted back in April (ie., in the archives):
I just finished the same firewall mods. The new re-inforced bungee
hole location takes a shorter bungee (8"), p/n 1090, but it is rated
at 750 lbs, as opposed to the original 10" 9010HD, rated at 475.
Hope this helps...
> In a message dated 7/22/2004 11:24:20 AM Central Daylight Time,
> mbima@hydro.mb.ca writes:
>
>
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
> >
> > Looking for bungee cord...
> >
> > What are the specs of the 1,100 GW nose gear bungee?
> >
> > Thickness, length, type, manufacturer, part number?
> >
> > Thanks all,
> >
> >
> > Martin Bima
> > STOL-Vair
> > www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima
> >
> >
>
>
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Regards, J.
flying: Zenair STOL CH701/582 C-IGGY , > 240 hrs.
building: Sonex #325, engine probably Jabiru 3300/6/120hp
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What are you if you buy a new Microsoft product?
A gamma tester.
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| Subject: | flaps, flaperons of no help to LSA stall speeds |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" <bruce@satx.rr.com>
Phil....
It's not an interpretation,
It is very clear in the rule; all you gotta do is read it.
One stall speed; Clean (Vs1), or as the FAA words it "without the use of
lift enhancing devices"; 45 knots.
Also, in the original NPRM, you had to meet BOTH the 44knot "clean" stall
AND the 39 Knot "landing configuration" stall speed. So the new rule does
not eliminate any aircraft by the rule change.
The Faa's explanation for this is on Page 81 and 82 of the rule.
Bruce - YES I've read all 452 pages.... twice.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Raker
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 7:15 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: flaps, flaperons of no help to LSA stall speeds
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks, Jeff, for that "clarification".
> I haven't yet read the actual final rule, so I don't know what it
> really
> says. So far, we are all going on someone else's interpretations. EAA
> SHOULD
> have it pretty well understood. It sounds, now, as though they're saying
> that
> stall speed in the LANDING CONFIGURATION makes no difference! In other
> words,
> a plane could stall clean at 46KTS, but have very effective flaps, and
> stall
> dirty at 20KTS, and they would say it doesn't qualify for LSA status.
> Time
> will tell whether that interpretation stands. If it does, there's no way
> an
> HDS can ever qualify as an LSA. The only recourse would be to build a set
> of
> HD wings.
>
> Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% complete
>
>
> > Time: 06:26:08 PM PST US
> > From: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: flaps, flaperons of no help to LSA stall speeds
> > Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:26:53 -0400
> >
> > from tonight's EAA e-mail hotline:
> >
> >
> > Question of the Week
> > Question for EAA Aviation Information Services:
> >
> > Your summary of the final stall speed (for the sport pilot/light-
> sport
> > aircraft) rule confuses me a bit. If an aircraft that stalls at less
> than 45
> > knots with flaps, can it qualify for LSA even if it stalls at a speed
> above
> > 45 knots without flaps, or is the only configuration that matters the
> "clean"
> > stall speed?
> >
> > Answer
> > The aircraft must have a stall speed of 45 knots or less without the
> use
> > of lift enhancing devices. In other words, a clean stall speed of 45
> knots or
> > less. Sorry, but the aircraft you describe in your question would not
> qualify
> > for operation by sport pilots.
> >
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | flaps, flaperons of no help to LSA stall speeds |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" <bruce@satx.rr.com>
Phil:
What your going to have to do is pull off those HDS wings, and build some HD
wings and you're golden.... Slower top end, but golden.
However, Zenith says the HDS stalls at 54mph with 1050lbs, BUT 48mph with
800lbs (single pilot) The new rule says Clean stall at 45knots = 51.78mph.
I wonder... you "might" be able to reduce your max load a bit in your
operating manual (you are the manufacturer), assuming you have not flown
yet, and list your stall at 45knots. You'd probably be safer (in
compliance) converting to an HD.
Bruce
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| Subject: | Strobe power supply |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Greetings,
I am looking at the location for the landing
lights in the wing, and thought that I could eliminate
the necessity for an access cover if I mounted the
strobe power supply directly behind the landing / taxi
lights. There is more than enough room (at least 2.5"
- 3" between the lights and the power supply). My
only concern is heat. Anyone think there is a
problem?
Since I don't want to run shielded wire through
the wing, the only other option is to mount it on the
inside of the spar, which puts the spar in between.
Last time I checked, aluminum wasn't a very good
insulator!
What do you think?
Thanks to Frank and Larry for answers to my last
questions.
Thanks in advance,
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
Oceanside, Ca.
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| Subject: | 801 - window screws |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rbauer@intergate.com
Di anyone use the oval screw & finishing washers supplied by ZAC or did you
switch to the flush screws & washers? I was thinking of using the flush type
especially on the sides of the windshield so the door will seal better over
these screws. Any thoughts?
Rich
801
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| Subject: | Strobe power supply |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
It won't be a problem. Just make sure you really can remove the strobe
power supply...If its one of those aerostrobe things the capacitors fail
about every year or so!
Piece of junk!
Frank
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
Tucker
Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe power supply
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Greetings,
I am looking at the location for the landing
lights in the wing, and thought that I could eliminate
the necessity for an access cover if I mounted the
strobe power supply directly behind the landing / taxi
lights. There is more than enough room (at least 2.5"
- 3" between the lights and the power supply). My
only concern is heat. Anyone think there is a
problem?
Since I don't want to run shielded wire through
the wing, the only other option is to mount it on the
inside of the spar, which puts the spar in between.
Last time I checked, aluminum wasn't a very good
insulator!
What do you think?
Thanks to Frank and Larry for answers to my last questions.
Thanks in advance,
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
Oceanside, Ca.
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| Subject: | Strobe power supply |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Interesting idea. What about the other wing though?
I see that some folks have put access covers in the wing tips
(Like Scott has done here
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/4_19_04_WingTip.JPG)
I was thinking about the possibility of not having an access cover (per
plans), then if/when the strobe dies, cut a hole (like the bellcrank
cover) and fit an access cover to it....
..lance
601XL working on wings
Http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
Tucker
Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe power supply
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Greetings,
I am looking at the location for the landing lights in the wing,
and thought that I could eliminate the necessity for an access cover if
I mounted the strobe power supply directly behind the landing / taxi
lights. There is more than enough room (at least 2.5"
- 3" between the lights and the power supply). My only concern is heat.
Anyone think there is a problem?
Since I don't want to run shielded wire through the wing, the only
other option is to mount it on the inside of the spar, which puts the
spar in between.
Last time I checked, aluminum wasn't a very good insulator!
What do you think?
Thanks to Frank and Larry for answers to my last questions.
Thanks in advance,
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
Oceanside, Ca.
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| Subject: | Strobe power supply |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I stuck mine behind the seats on the floor behind the rear
spar...Actually I think my power supplies might even be UNDER the
aileron cables?.....Hmmm, can't remember.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance
Gingell
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Strobe power supply
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
--> <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Interesting idea. What about the other wing though?
I see that some folks have put access covers in the wing tips (Like
Scott has done here
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/4_19_04_WingTip.JPG)
I was thinking about the possibility of not having an access cover (per
plans), then if/when the strobe dies, cut a hole (like the bellcrank
cover) and fit an access cover to it....
..lance
601XL working on wings
Http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
Tucker
Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe power supply
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Greetings,
I am looking at the location for the landing lights in the wing,
and thought that I could eliminate the necessity for an access cover if
I mounted the strobe power supply directly behind the landing / taxi
lights. There is more than enough room (at least 2.5"
- 3" between the lights and the power supply). My only concern is heat.
Anyone think there is a problem?
Since I don't want to run shielded wire through the wing, the only
other option is to mount it on the inside of the spar, which puts the
spar in between.
Last time I checked, aluminum wasn't a very good insulator!
What do you think?
Thanks to Frank and Larry for answers to my last questions.
Thanks in advance,
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
Oceanside, Ca.
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| Subject: | Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Greetings,
I'd like some opinions on which gauge type (volt or amps) I should
install in my panel? I have space for either but not both.
Any opinions as to which is more important?
I'm installing an 80HP 912 without the extra alternator (rec/reg only)
Trevor Page
601HD 6-3685
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| Subject: | Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Volts...and make it a digital kind.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Trevor Page
Subject: Zenith-List: Ammeter or voltmeter?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Greetings,
I'd like some opinions on which gauge type (volt or amps) I should
install in my panel? I have space for either but not both.
Any opinions as to which is more important?
I'm installing an 80HP 912 without the extra alternator (rec/reg only)
Trevor Page
601HD 6-3685
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| Subject: | Re: I have HD wings if anyone wants to trade them for HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
I have some well built HD wings, primed with high quality two-part primer,
that I haven't yet installed on my plane and would be willing to trade for
HDS wings. They have the wing-lockers on both sides, and landing lights
both sides.
Bob Miller
434 760-2928
(I'll be out of town and off-line from 7/28/04 until 8/7/04, so feel free to
send email or leave phone message)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Johnson" <bruce@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: flaps, flaperons of no help to LSA stall speeds
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" <bruce@satx.rr.com>
>
> Phil:
>
> What your going to have to do is pull off those HDS wings, and build some
HD
> wings and you're golden.... Slower top end, but golden.
>
> However, Zenith says the HDS stalls at 54mph with 1050lbs, BUT 48mph with
> 800lbs (single pilot) The new rule says Clean stall at 45knots = 51.78mph.
> I wonder... you "might" be able to reduce your max load a bit in your
> operating manual (you are the manufacturer), assuming you have not flown
> yet, and list your stall at 45knots. You'd probably be safer (in
> compliance) converting to an HD.
>
> Bruce
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 7/23/04 5:32 PM, Trevor Page at webmaster@upac.ca wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'd like some opinions on which gauge type (volt or amps) I should
> install in my panel? I have space for either but not both.
> Any opinions as to which is more important?
> I'm installing an 80HP 912 without the extra alternator (rec/reg only)
>
> Trevor Page
> 601HD 6-3685
>
The voltmeter is easier to install and I think it is more useful than an
ammeter. It's easier to get a good idea of the condition of the electrical
system from the voltmeter reading.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Construction complete.
Getting the paperwork in order.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> Has anyone explored what it takes to get the 601HDS at gross below the new
Sport Pilot limits of 45 knots/52 mph stall speed.
>
> Tom Orsborn
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tom,
I just finished an experiment I've been promising myself (and this list) to
do for the past year. I added vortex generators (that I made from scrap
alum) to my HD wings. I know everyone "says" this will have NO effect on the
fat HD wing, but I wasn't happy with my stall speed so I went ahead and did
it anyway. I figured I'd have to mess around with 3 or 4 different locations
to get it right if it would work at all. But to my surprise the first
attempt gave my 601 HD a good 4-5 MPH improvement on my stall speed. So I'm
happy and will leave them right were they are.
Don't always believe what "they" say .... also every 601 HD, HDS, or XL may
react differently with VG's, all I can say is I'm very happy with mine.
Kelly Meiste
601 HD Stratus (95 hours)
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman <stutzman@stutzman.com>
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Trevor Page wrote:
> I'd like some opinions on which gauge type (volt or amps) I should
> install in my panel? I have space for either but not both.
If you are limited on panel space, you might consider the Electronics
International VA-1A (www.buy-ei.com/VA-1A.htm). Its a voltmeter and amp
meter in one 2.25 sized instrument.
Not cheap, however.
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
This is a time old question... same issue with automobile systems.. notice
what is in your car right now... could be either?
The real issue is the info you get from BOTH... A voltmeter will tell you
about the condition of your battery state... but it could be TOO LATE! If
you notice that you dont have 12 or 14 volts anymore.. let's say its down
to 10 or less.. you have possibly lost your alternator/generator an HOUR
AGO!.. and precious time has passed before you have a chance to take
corrective action.
If you had BOTH and ammeter and voltmeter... you could tell the second you
started your engine that yes, you have your 12 volts, but that the
alternator is not charging (ammeter showing a negative charge, normally it
shows positive with the engine running) and you have knowledge that it will
take some time (maybe an hour?) before your battery will not start your
engine anymore. I would opt for an ammeter if I could only could have one
meter, as a glance can tell you that you are not charging anymore...
But I would always opt for BOTH... its all the info you could possibly need
about your electrical system!
My 2 cents worth, and you get what you pay for, from an old ham radio
operator from the days of vacuum tubes!
Jon
near Green Bay, Wi
CU at Osh
> >
> > I'd like some opinions on which gauge type (volt or amps) I should
> > install in my panel? I have space for either but not both.
> > Any opinions as to which is more important?
> > I'm installing an 80HP 912 without the extra alternator (rec/reg only)
> >
> > Trevor Page
> > 601HD 6-3685
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
The Westach round 'Dual' Volt and Ammeter is about $99 incl shunt, not
cheap either... (in my book, if it doesnt help the plane fly.. than it might
be too expensive!)
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
You don't mention, or I missed it, what instrument hole size is available.
Assuming the usual "small" cutout, you can get both, as a "dual" from Westach.
Don't have their catalog, it is out in the hangar, and its 98 degrees (too damn
hot to walk out there) but as Jon says both will be more to your liking. The
ammeter portion of the dual unit will have a "remote" shunt and a pair of wires
to the indicator. This makes installation easy, simple, idiot-proof, etc.
The most important instrument, however, is the fan connected to the tach.
This item keeps the pilot cool.
You can judge the effectiveness of this arrangement when the tach drops to ZERO
in flight.
This is when the pilot begins to sweat.
Zed/701/R912/90-something %/got moved to new digs/stuff unpacked/runway is longer/DO
NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Karl <kjspranger@xtra.co.nz>
In my experience, the most foolproof method is to keep it simple, I am
going to go for the voltmeter option for the simple reason that it
doesn't interfere with the charging circuit at all and as such does not
induce any further chance of something failing(such as a shunt etc with
and ammeter)
The most important part of my charging system will be one of those great
big red flashing "lo-bus" lights that almost every GA aircraft I have
seen has on there panel. It is alot more attention-grabbing than a
needle on a guage moving slowly to the left by an 1/8" and a good backup
for peace of mind/redundancy.
Karl Spranger
New Zealand
Ch 701-Plans
Trevor Page wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
>Greetings,
>
>I'd like some opinions on which gauge type (volt or amps) I should
>install in my panel? I have space for either but not both.
>Any opinions as to which is more important?
>I'm installing an 80HP 912 without the extra alternator (rec/reg only)
>
>Trevor Page
>601HD 6-3685
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 7/23/04 2:32 PM, "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'd like some opinions on which gauge type (volt or amps) I should
> install in my panel? I have space for either but not both.
> Any opinions as to which is more important?
Hello Trevor,
There are instruments that include dual meter movements or dual digital in a
single instrument so you might be able to have space for both (see
<http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=986~subid=433/i
ndex.html> for an example). Lacking that, I'd go for volts.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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| Subject: | Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Kelly
Are you going to post pictures? I was thinking about doing this to mine and would
like to see where you placed them. Did you try any around the canopy to try
to reduce the drag behind it?
Randy Stout
n282rs@earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
-----Original Message-----
From: The Meiste's <meiste@essex1.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I just finished an experiment I've been promising myself (and this list) to
do for the past year. I added vortex generators (that I made from scrap
alum) to my HD wings.
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| Subject: | Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Kelly,
How about more details? What did it do to the top speed?
Thanks
Ron DeWees
N601TD in progress
do not archive>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Tom,
> I just finished an experiment I've been promising myself (and this list)
to
> do for the past year. I added vortex generators (that I made from scrap
> alum) to my HD wings. I know everyone "says" this will have NO effect on
the
> fat HD wing, but I wasn't happy with my stall speed so I went ahead and
did
> it anyway. I figured I'd have to mess around with 3 or 4 different
locations
> to get it right if it would work at all. But to my surprise the first
> attempt gave my 601 HD a good 4-5 MPH improvement on my stall speed. So
I'm
> happy and will leave them right were they are.
> Don't always believe what "they" say .... also every 601 HD, HDS, or XL
may
> react differently with VG's, all I can say is I'm very happy with mine.
>
> Kelly Meiste
> 601 HD Stratus (95 hours)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> > I'd like some opinions on which gauge type (volt or amps) I should
> > install in my panel? I have space for either but not both.
> > Any opinions as to which is more important?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm simply running a volt meter & to back it up this $10 meter is stuck in
my 12 volt cigarette lighter which is right in front of me.
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/ProductDisplay/s-10101/storeId-10101/p-479/c-10101/catalogId-10101
Kelly Meiste
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| Subject: | Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> Are you going to post pictures? I was thinking about doing this to mine
and would like to see where you placed them. Did you try any around the
canopy to try to reduce the drag behind it?
>
> Randy Stout
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Randy,
I did not plan to post photo's but if your interested in seeing them I would
gladly send then to you, just send me a request off line if you would like
to check them out.
No I did not do any testing of VG's on the canopy (to date). But I did place
a pair under my cowl in front of my cowl exhaust opening and found this to
help lower my oil temps by approx 5 degrees. I'm running a Stratus Subaru
EA-81 and been having a hard time getting the air to flow thru my cowl for
proper oil cooling. These little buggers do wonders if sized correctly &
placed in the needed locations!
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> How about more details? What did it do to the top speed?
> Thanks
> Ron DeWees
Ron,
Before my plane stalled at 55 MPH on my ASI (2,000 RPM & loaded to approx
1,000 lbs), and with the VG's installed I'm now down to 50 MPH in the same
configuration, so the VG's gave me an additional 5 MPH. I only flew for 1/2
hour to test the stall so I'm not sure if it killed my cruise speed much or
not ( but I did notice 107 MPH on the GPS with a 7 MPH tail wind @ 4,000
RPM).
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Voltmeter, is the modern choice. I will tell you battery condition (state
of charge) before you ever start the engine. Also if y our alterntor should
fail in flight you can again monitor state of charge. In addition it will
tell you the voltage setting of your regulator. None of the above can be
told with the ammeter. It can only tell you the direction of current "net"
current flow into or out of battery. Tom Marson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: Ammeter or voltmeter?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'd like some opinions on which gauge type (volt or amps) I should
> install in my panel? I have space for either but not both.
> Any opinions as to which is more important?
> I'm installing an 80HP 912 without the extra alternator (rec/reg only)
>
> Trevor Page
> 601HD 6-3685
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe power supply |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Your experience may be different. But I have had one fail out of a two light
set in 8 years. But I do agree when it fails you must be able to get the
Strobe power supply out. I recently relocated my strobe power supplies into
the cabin from the orginal location on the outer wing spars. I did run
Shielded wire from the supply to the Flash unit. The additional cost is
around 60 bucks. Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Strobe power supply
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> It won't be a problem. Just make sure you really can remove the strobe
> power supply...If its one of those aerostrobe things the capacitors fail
> about every year or so!
>
>
> Piece of junk!
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
> Tucker
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Strobe power supply
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am looking at the location for the landing
> lights in the wing, and thought that I could eliminate
> the necessity for an access cover if I mounted the
> strobe power supply directly behind the landing / taxi
> lights. There is more than enough room (at least 2.5"
> - 3" between the lights and the power supply). My
> only concern is heat. Anyone think there is a
> problem?
>
> Since I don't want to run shielded wire through
> the wing, the only other option is to mount it on the
> inside of the spar, which puts the spar in between.
> Last time I checked, aluminum wasn't a very good
> insulator!
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks to Frank and Larry for answers to my last questions.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Brandon Tucker
> 601 HDS
> Oceanside, Ca.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 801 tail kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
I have a complete, still in the crate, 801 tail kit that I would like to
sale, or trade for a complete 701 tail kit, still in the crate. I would like
$1200 for the kit, buyer pays shipping. The crate has been opened, the parts
inventoried, and the crate resealed. It has the trim motor and indicator with
it. NO part of the building process has been started with this kit. It's all new
and original. I'm located in NC.
Roger Osborne
828-264-6235
_rmtnview@aol.com_ (mailto:rmtnview@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: 801 tail kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 7/23/2004 10:49:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
Rmtnview@aol.com writes:
>
> I have a complete, still in the crate, 801 tail kit that I would like to
> sale, or trade for a complete 701 tail kit, still in the crate. I would like
>
> $1200 for the kit, buyer pays shipping. The crate has been opened, the parts
>
> inventoried, and the crate resealed. It has the trim motor and indicator
> with
> it. NO part of the building process has been started with this kit. It's all
> new
> and original. I'm located in NC.
> Roger Osborne
> 828-264-6235
> _rmtnview@aol.com_ (mailto:rmtnview@aol.com)
>
>
Is this the new larger tail ????
Ben Haas N801BH, do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter or voltmeter? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
I went with a voltmeter. But after I had a problem with a bad connection,
it was one of my main power leads, I added an ammeter. I finally figured
out the problem by looking at voltage drops across connections. But, in
the mean time I wasn't sure if the problem was caused by the battery,
alternator or something else. When the voltage drops the radio transmits
poorly - I was told by ATC.
The ammeter is useful. I can tell for sure if my alternator is working.
I didn't go with an ammeter at first because I too was concerned about
running the charging current through a shunt. But, I'm comfortable with it
now. After a total cabin electrical failure during flight testing and the
intermittent problem that I had later I'm less concerned about losing
power. The plane will still fly. And I have a hand held radio. I don't
want to lose my position lights at night though.... (On that note I do
plan to add a second battery for my essential buss.)
I used a small $7 auto ammeter. I riveted it on the bottom left of the
panel. It's in the corner out of the way - above and to the right of the
passenger's knee. It's only about 1.25 inches around. I'd go with both.
Joe E.
N633Z @ BFI
74 hours
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Trevor Page wrote:
> I'd like some opinions on which gauge type (volt or amps) I should
> install in my panel? I have space for either but not both. ...snip
> Trevor Page
> 601HD 6-3685
>
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