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1. 04:28 AM - Re: 801, new tail build (Tom Faulkner)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Cutting Holes (Scott Laughlin)
3. 05:59 AM - Re: 801, new tail build (Benford2@aol.com)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: 801, new tail build (Tom Faulkner)
5. 08:31 AM - Re: Spinner size and sources ()
6. 12:34 PM - 701 flap application (Ron Lee)
7. 02:12 PM - Re: HD with VG's (Larry McFarland)
8. 03:29 PM - Re: HD with VG's (The Meiste's)
9. 05:42 PM - Re: 801, new tail build (AOA - LRI) (Gary Gower)
10. 07:04 PM - Re: 701 flap application (Larry Martin)
11. 07:58 PM - Re: 701 flap application (Mike Sinclair)
12. 08:09 PM - Re: 801, new tail build (AOA - LRI) (Cdngoose)
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| Subject: | 801, new tail build |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
Cedric: I have the new tail on my 801, but am still about a month away from
flying. I made the first one off the production tooling. It seems much
stronger and fits better than the old stabilizer. I also have the
Eggenfellner H6 engine, but with a Quinti 4 blade variable pitch prop with
Warp Drive blades. My email is tom@tafcor.com if you have more questions.
Tom Faulkner, SW Michigan
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Paul:
I also used the 1/8" X 3/4" X 3/4" 6061-T6 angle like Mark, but I'm pretty
happy with the decision. It eliminates the need for a splice - you can get
this material in 24 foot lengths if you want. I just ordered a 24' length
cut in half and put a 12' piece on each side (trimmed it to fit). It causes
a little extra fitting time near the tail, but it eliminates the need for a
long brake and also eliminates the splice.
BTW, I use a fly cutter also where I need to flange the holes, and hole saws
where no flange is needed. Lowes has a large selection of hole saws- I
think I have one of each size now.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
I used an extruded .125 6061 T6, I would not
recommend this approach to anyone,
Mark Townsend
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
While I'm at it, has anybody done the four rear longerons in sections,
as opposed to trying to find an 8-foot brake?Thanks in advance for any
advice.
Paul Rodriguez
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| Subject: | Re: 801, new tail build |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 7/26/2004 5:29:16 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
tomtafcor@triton.net writes:
>
> Cedric: I have the new tail on my 801, but am still about a month
> away from
> flying. I made the first one off the production tooling. It seems much
> stronger and fits better than the old stabilizer. I also have the
> Eggenfellner H6 engine, but with a Quinti 4 blade variable pitch prop with
> Warp Drive blades. My email is tom@tafcor.com if you have more questions.
> Tom Faulkner, SW Michigan
>
>
How much bigger is the new tail ??????
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| Subject: | 801, new tail build |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
The new stabilizer if about 20" longer than the old.
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| Subject: | Spinner size and sources |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
If you're stubborn, you can make your own! I bought a big Sears wood lathe, laminated
up a male plug and turned the shape I wanted. I made the spinner shell
of W.E.S.T. epoxyglass and the inner "liner" as well. It works well, very well
balanced, very smooth.
I've made several reductions of the gaping fish-mouth to make it a little less
draggy, too.
GGP
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| Subject: | 701 flap application |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
How hard is it to use the standard flap lever on a 701?
I am at the point now that I have to go with the standard flap leaver provided
by Zenith, or build something different to apply the flaps. My plans call for
only one notch. Somewhere I've heard they are awkward and hard to apply.
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| Subject: | Re: HD with VG's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: HD with VG's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
He then spent some time checking
> out my plane and said he was also happy to see my plane keep in it's basic
> raw form with no paint (other than some trim to set it off), and bare
bones
> instrumentation. He said now that's how I intended my planes to be, not
way
> overweight with a ton of options, and a full glass panel. >
> Kelly Meiste
> 601 HD w/ VG's
Kelly,
I suspect that Chris was pleased to see the very high quality of your
workmanship as
well. When you've done such work, it's hard to consider a coat of paint
covering
it up. Did any conversation of VGs carry over into SP aircraft and their
application?
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
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| Subject: | Re: HD with VG's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> > I suspect that Chris was pleased to see the very high quality of your
> workmanship as
> well. When you've done such work, it's hard to consider a coat of paint
> covering
> it up.
Hi Larry,
Thanks for the like words!
He did say don't let anyone touch it as the finger prints will difficult to
remove (tell me something I don't know!).
Did any conversation of VGs carry over into SP aircraft and their
> application?
No, I don't think he wanted to touch that one, he just said if it worked for
me he was happy for me. But he did hint that he would like a little more
info about how they effect all phases of flight (which I haven't approached
yet). So he may be storing this info for future use???
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: 801, new tail build (AOA - LRI) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Cedric,
we have a LRI "Lift Reserve Indicator" AOA in our 701, not test flown
yet but almost ready to fly (the last 10% takes 90% of the time :-)
their page is
http://www.liftreserve.com/
There is some info about this in the archives, including some posts
about the LRI company owner. There is one C-182 with STOL kit flying
near here to the mountains, I talked once with the pilot and he is very
happy with it...
A person from LRI is (was) monitoring the list, if he does not get in
touch with you soon(Oshkosh week time, lots of work), send him a mail.
He is very helpfull, even to newbies like me :-)
Hope this helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S 99.999% ready (I'm optimist)
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
--- C95_OR <c95_or@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "C95_OR" <c95_or@peoplepc.com>
>
> Hello builders,
>
> I am building a 801 that will have a (Eggenfellner) 3 liter, H-6
> Subaru for
> power, ground adj prop for now. I was wondering if anyone has
> installed the
> larger 801 tail Kit, recently released by Zenith. Was wondering if
> anybody
> has any experience with the larger tail? It will give greater control
> for
> low speed operation.
>
> Has anyone installed an AOA indicator yet?
>
>
> Will be getting my engine in August.
>
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
>
> Cedric Schieber
>
> Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: 701 flap application |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
I haven't personally used the flaps on a 701, but I would think they wouldn't be difficult to use, just somewhat awkward. I flew with Roger at the Zenith factory and it didn't seem as if he was having to force anything. The Zenith plans I used called for two settings. I am building PegaStol wings and they call for three settings, thus three notches. Therefore I decided to make mine electric. Skyshops offers a complete conversion kit for around $600. But you can build your own for about $250. McMaster-Carr,(www.mcmaster.com) has a servo for $180, a Ray Allen Company(RAC) LED indicator is $72 and a rocker switch isn't expensive. I am going to use my RAC stick grip switches.
Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Lee
To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 flap application
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
How hard is it to use the standard flap lever on a 701?
I am at the point now that I have to go with the standard flap leaver provided
by Zenith, or build something different to apply the flaps. My plans call for
only one notch. Somewhere I've heard they are awkward and hard to apply.
---
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| Subject: | Re: 701 flap application |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Flaps on a 701 very difficult to use. And if your shoulder harness is snug, virtually
impossible. And just try to retract smoothly in flight, yeah right!, been
there, tried that, and it definitely wasn't smooth! Looks like a servo and
electric flaps will be one of my first mods if I want to use flaps. Also, if you
look at a picture of zeniths flap handle it is very different from the plans.
BTW, thanks for the info on the servo, led, and rocker. I was looking at installing
the skyshop setup. Will go back and look at this option. Thanks again.
Mike Sinclair
N701TD 24 hours short of being able to make the trip to Oshkosh this year. Guess
I'll just have to satisfy myself with a few other fly-ins when I can break
out of my 25 mile radius.
Larry Martin wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
>
> I haven't personally used the flaps on a 701, but I would think they wouldn't be difficult to use, just somewhat awkward. I flew with Roger at the Zenith factory and it didn't seem as if he was having to force anything. The Zenith plans I used called for two settings. I am building PegaStol wings and they call for three settings, thus three notches. Therefore I decided to make mine electric. Skyshops offers a complete conversion kit for around $600. But you can build your own for about $250. McMaster-Carr,(www.mcmaster.com) has a servo for $180, a Ray Allen Company(RAC) LED indicator is $72 and a rocker switch isn't expensive. I am going to use my RAC stick grip switches.
>
> Larry N1345L
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Lee
> To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:34 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: 701 flap application
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
>
> How hard is it to use the standard flap lever on a 701?
> I am at the point now that I have to go with the standard flap leaver provided
by Zenith, or build something different to apply the flaps. My plans call
for only one notch. Somewhere I've heard they are awkward and hard to apply.
>
> ---
> Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004
>
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| Subject: | 801, new tail build (AOA - LRI) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Also Cedric
IF you go to the www.ch601.org site you will find information on how to
make your own AOA instrument. It's the older analog instrument style but
work quite well. I'm still looking for information on how to make an LED
style gauge, can anyone help here?
Mark Townsend
601XL EJ 2.2L
Alma, Ontario
www.ch601.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801, new tail build (AOA - LRI)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Cedric,
we have a LRI "Lift Reserve Indicator" AOA in our 701, not test flown
yet but almost ready to fly (the last 10% takes 90% of the time :-)
their page is
http://www.liftreserve.com/
There is some info about this in the archives, including some posts
about the LRI company owner. There is one C-182 with STOL kit flying
near here to the mountains, I talked once with the pilot and he is very
happy with it...
A person from LRI is (was) monitoring the list, if he does not get in
touch with you soon(Oshkosh week time, lots of work), send him a mail.
He is very helpfull, even to newbies like me :-)
Hope this helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S 99.999% ready (I'm optimist)
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
--- C95_OR <c95_or@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "C95_OR" <c95_or@peoplepc.com>
>
> Hello builders,
>
> I am building a 801 that will have a (Eggenfellner) 3 liter, H-6
> Subaru for
> power, ground adj prop for now. I was wondering if anyone has
> installed the
> larger 801 tail Kit, recently released by Zenith. Was wondering if
> anybody
> has any experience with the larger tail? It will give greater control
> for
> low speed operation.
>
> Has anyone installed an AOA indicator yet?
>
>
> Will be getting my engine in August.
>
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
>
> Cedric Schieber
>
> Oregon
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