---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/26/04: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:28 AM - Re: 801, new tail build (Tom Faulkner) 2. 05:52 AM - Re: Cutting Holes (Scott Laughlin) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: 801, new tail build (Benford2@aol.com) 4. 06:45 AM - Re: 801, new tail build (Tom Faulkner) 5. 08:31 AM - Re: Spinner size and sources () 6. 12:34 PM - 701 flap application (Ron Lee) 7. 02:12 PM - Re: HD with VG's (Larry McFarland) 8. 03:29 PM - Re: HD with VG's (The Meiste's) 9. 05:42 PM - Re: 801, new tail build (AOA - LRI) (Gary Gower) 10. 07:04 PM - Re: 701 flap application (Larry Martin) 11. 07:58 PM - Re: 701 flap application (Mike Sinclair) 12. 08:09 PM - Re: 801, new tail build (AOA - LRI) (Cdngoose) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:13 AM PST US From: "Tom Faulkner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 801, new tail build --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" Cedric: I have the new tail on my 801, but am still about a month away from flying. I made the first one off the production tooling. It seems much stronger and fits better than the old stabilizer. I also have the Eggenfellner H6 engine, but with a Quinti 4 blade variable pitch prop with Warp Drive blades. My email is tom@tafcor.com if you have more questions. Tom Faulkner, SW Michigan ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:03 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cutting Holes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Paul: I also used the 1/8" X 3/4" X 3/4" 6061-T6 angle like Mark, but I'm pretty happy with the decision. It eliminates the need for a splice - you can get this material in 24 foot lengths if you want. I just ordered a 24' length cut in half and put a 12' piece on each side (trimmed it to fit). It causes a little extra fitting time near the tail, but it eliminates the need for a long brake and also eliminates the splice. BTW, I use a fly cutter also where I need to flange the holes, and hole saws where no flange is needed. Lowes has a large selection of hole saws- I think I have one of each size now. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> I used an extruded .125 6061 T6, I would not recommend this approach to anyone, Mark Townsend --> Zenith-List message posted by: While I'm at it, has anybody done the four rear longerons in sections, as opposed to trying to find an 8-foot brake?Thanks in advance for any advice. Paul Rodriguez Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:19 AM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801, new tail build --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 7/26/2004 5:29:16 AM Mountain Daylight Time, tomtafcor@triton.net writes: > > Cedric: I have the new tail on my 801, but am still about a month > away from > flying. I made the first one off the production tooling. It seems much > stronger and fits better than the old stabilizer. I also have the > Eggenfellner H6 engine, but with a Quinti 4 blade variable pitch prop with > Warp Drive blades. My email is tom@tafcor.com if you have more questions. > Tom Faulkner, SW Michigan > > How much bigger is the new tail ?????? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:56 AM PST US From: "Tom Faulkner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 801, new tail build --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" The new stabilizer if about 20" longer than the old. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:45 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Spinner size and sources From: --> Zenith-List message posted by: If you're stubborn, you can make your own! I bought a big Sears wood lathe, laminated up a male plug and turned the shape I wanted. I made the spinner shell of W.E.S.T. epoxyglass and the inner "liner" as well. It works well, very well balanced, very smooth. I've made several reductions of the gaping fish-mouth to make it a little less draggy, too. GGP ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:54 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 flap application --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" How hard is it to use the standard flap lever on a 701? I am at the point now that I have to go with the standard flap leaver provided by Zenith, or build something different to apply the flaps. My plans call for only one notch. Somewhere I've heard they are awkward and hard to apply. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:16 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD with VG's --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: HD with VG's > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" He then spent some time checking > out my plane and said he was also happy to see my plane keep in it's basic > raw form with no paint (other than some trim to set it off), and bare bones > instrumentation. He said now that's how I intended my planes to be, not way > overweight with a ton of options, and a full glass panel. > > Kelly Meiste > 601 HD w/ VG's Kelly, I suspect that Chris was pleased to see the very high quality of your workmanship as well. When you've done such work, it's hard to consider a coat of paint covering it up. Did any conversation of VGs carry over into SP aircraft and their application? Larry McFarland - 601HDS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:01 PM PST US From: "The Meiste's" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD with VG's --> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" > > I suspect that Chris was pleased to see the very high quality of your > workmanship as > well. When you've done such work, it's hard to consider a coat of paint > covering > it up. Hi Larry, Thanks for the like words! He did say don't let anyone touch it as the finger prints will difficult to remove (tell me something I don't know!). Did any conversation of VGs carry over into SP aircraft and their > application? No, I don't think he wanted to touch that one, he just said if it worked for me he was happy for me. But he did hint that he would like a little more info about how they effect all phases of flight (which I haven't approached yet). So he may be storing this info for future use??? Kelly ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:05 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801, new tail build (AOA - LRI) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Cedric, we have a LRI "Lift Reserve Indicator" AOA in our 701, not test flown yet but almost ready to fly (the last 10% takes 90% of the time :-) their page is http://www.liftreserve.com/ There is some info about this in the archives, including some posts about the LRI company owner. There is one C-182 with STOL kit flying near here to the mountains, I talked once with the pilot and he is very happy with it... A person from LRI is (was) monitoring the list, if he does not get in touch with you soon(Oshkosh week time, lots of work), send him a mail. He is very helpfull, even to newbies like me :-) Hope this helps. Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S 99.999% ready (I'm optimist) Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. --- C95_OR wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "C95_OR" > > Hello builders, > > I am building a 801 that will have a (Eggenfellner) 3 liter, H-6 > Subaru for > power, ground adj prop for now. I was wondering if anyone has > installed the > larger 801 tail Kit, recently released by Zenith. Was wondering if > anybody > has any experience with the larger tail? It will give greater control > for > low speed operation. > > Has anyone installed an AOA indicator yet? > > > Will be getting my engine in August. > > > Thanks for the info. > > > Cedric Schieber > > Oregon __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:02 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 flap application --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" I haven't personally used the flaps on a 701, but I would think they wouldn't be difficult to use, just somewhat awkward. I flew with Roger at the Zenith factory and it didn't seem as if he was having to force anything. The Zenith plans I used called for two settings. I am building PegaStol wings and they call for three settings, thus three notches. Therefore I decided to make mine electric. Skyshops offers a complete conversion kit for around $600. But you can build your own for about $250. McMaster-Carr,(www.mcmaster.com) has a servo for $180, a Ray Allen Company(RAC) LED indicator is $72 and a rocker switch isn't expensive. I am going to use my RAC stick grip switches. Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lee To: Zenith-List@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 flap application --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" How hard is it to use the standard flap lever on a 701? I am at the point now that I have to go with the standard flap leaver provided by Zenith, or build something different to apply the flaps. My plans call for only one notch. Somewhere I've heard they are awkward and hard to apply. --- Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:59 PM PST US From: Mike Sinclair Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 flap application --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair Flaps on a 701 very difficult to use. And if your shoulder harness is snug, virtually impossible. And just try to retract smoothly in flight, yeah right!, been there, tried that, and it definitely wasn't smooth! Looks like a servo and electric flaps will be one of my first mods if I want to use flaps. Also, if you look at a picture of zeniths flap handle it is very different from the plans. BTW, thanks for the info on the servo, led, and rocker. I was looking at installing the skyshop setup. Will go back and look at this option. Thanks again. Mike Sinclair N701TD 24 hours short of being able to make the trip to Oshkosh this year. Guess I'll just have to satisfy myself with a few other fly-ins when I can break out of my 25 mile radius. Larry Martin wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > I haven't personally used the flaps on a 701, but I would think they wouldn't be difficult to use, just somewhat awkward. I flew with Roger at the Zenith factory and it didn't seem as if he was having to force anything. The Zenith plans I used called for two settings. I am building PegaStol wings and they call for three settings, thus three notches. Therefore I decided to make mine electric. Skyshops offers a complete conversion kit for around $600. But you can build your own for about $250. McMaster-Carr,(www.mcmaster.com) has a servo for $180, a Ray Allen Company(RAC) LED indicator is $72 and a rocker switch isn't expensive. I am going to use my RAC stick grip switches. > > Larry N1345L > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Lee > To: Zenith-List@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:34 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: 701 flap application > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" > > How hard is it to use the standard flap lever on a 701? > I am at the point now that I have to go with the standard flap leaver provided by Zenith, or build something different to apply the flaps. My plans call for only one notch. Somewhere I've heard they are awkward and hard to apply. > > --- > Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:03 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 801, new tail build (AOA - LRI) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Also Cedric IF you go to the www.ch601.org site you will find information on how to make your own AOA instrument. It's the older analog instrument style but work quite well. I'm still looking for information on how to make an LED style gauge, can anyone help here? Mark Townsend 601XL EJ 2.2L Alma, Ontario www.ch601.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801, new tail build (AOA - LRI) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Cedric, we have a LRI "Lift Reserve Indicator" AOA in our 701, not test flown yet but almost ready to fly (the last 10% takes 90% of the time :-) their page is http://www.liftreserve.com/ There is some info about this in the archives, including some posts about the LRI company owner. There is one C-182 with STOL kit flying near here to the mountains, I talked once with the pilot and he is very happy with it... A person from LRI is (was) monitoring the list, if he does not get in touch with you soon(Oshkosh week time, lots of work), send him a mail. He is very helpfull, even to newbies like me :-) Hope this helps. Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S 99.999% ready (I'm optimist) Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. --- C95_OR wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "C95_OR" > > Hello builders, > > I am building a 801 that will have a (Eggenfellner) 3 liter, H-6 > Subaru for > power, ground adj prop for now. I was wondering if anyone has > installed the > larger 801 tail Kit, recently released by Zenith. Was wondering if > anybody > has any experience with the larger tail? It will give greater control > for > low speed operation. > > Has anyone installed an AOA indicator yet? > > > Will be getting my engine in August. > > > Thanks for the info. > > > Cedric Schieber > > Oregon __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail == == == ==