---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/29/04: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:22 AM - hole cutting with a roto-zip (baileys) 2. 07:45 AM - Re: hole cutting with a roto-zip (Richard Wilbers) 3. 08:13 AM - Re: hole cutting with a roto-zip (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 4. 08:38 AM - Re: hole cutting with a roto-zip (baileys) 5. 09:57 AM - Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... (Bima, Martin) 6. 10:24 AM - Re: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 7. 01:13 PM - Re: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... () 8. 02:04 PM - more almost free stuff (rbauer@intergate.com) 9. 02:19 PM - Any builders in Austin or D/FW Tx? (J Peters) 10. 02:50 PM - Re: Any builders in Austin or D/FW Tx? (Cdngoose) 11. 04:28 PM - Re: Any builders in Austin or D/FW Tx? (Randy Stout) 12. 05:44 PM - Re: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... (Brandon Tucker) 13. 05:52 PM - Re: hole cutting with a roto-zip (Brandon Tucker) 14. 09:03 PM - Re: Aileron Trim questions (Brandon Tucker) 15. 09:05 PM - Re: ZAC Dinner (Cdngoose) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:10 AM PST US From: "baileys" Subject: Zenith-List: hole cutting with a roto-zip --> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" Does anyone have any actual experience cutting circles in aluminum with a rotozip? Does it mar the aluminum surface and can you get consisteant results? Also do you use any type of lubricant on the blade? I would think that since aluminum is kind of gummy to machine that it would weld itself to the cutter if you used it dry. I have one of the things and rarely use it. As an aside no matter what the job is from welding a broken lawn mower bracket to cutting brush my wife will laugh and say, "Good thing we have a rotozip." and I remind her that she is the one that bought it after watching a commercial on TV. lol Bob B. 701 #7 5552 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Wehba" Subject: Zenith-List: hole cutting > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wehba" > > http://www.rotozip.com/rightaccessory.aspx > > look here hope it helps! > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:01 AM PST US From: "Richard Wilbers" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: hole cutting with a roto-zip --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Wilbers" I have made all the holes im my plane, particularly the instrument panel, with metal cutting hole saws using a wood backing. They are perfectly round and exactkly to size. I used the L.S. Starrett Co. hole saws and they are great. Regards....Dick Wilbers ----- Original Message ----- From: "baileys" Subject: Zenith-List: hole cutting with a roto-zip > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" > > Does anyone have any actual experience cutting circles in aluminum with a > rotozip? Does it mar the aluminum surface and can you get consisteant > results? Also do you use any type of lubricant on the blade? I would think > that since aluminum is kind of gummy to machine that it would weld itself to > the cutter if you used it dry. > > I have one of the things and rarely use it. As an aside no matter what the > job is from welding a broken lawn mower bracket to cutting brush my wife > will laugh and say, "Good thing we have a rotozip." and I remind her that > she is the one that bought it after watching a commercial on TV. lol > Bob B. 701 #7 5552 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronnie Wehba" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: hole cutting > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wehba" > > > > http://www.rotozip.com/rightaccessory.aspx > > > > look here hope it helps! > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: hole cutting with a roto-zip From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" OK now the other side of the equation...I Hate hole saws...I used one on the panel and wish I hadn't...It drifted and vibrated. Maybe it was a cheap one? After that I used the fly cutter, even some after the fact guages I used the flycutter in a battery drill and it gave me much better results. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Wilbers Subject: Re: Zenith-List: hole cutting with a roto-zip --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Wilbers" --> I have made all the holes im my plane, particularly the instrument panel, with metal cutting hole saws using a wood backing. They are perfectly round and exactkly to size. I used the L.S. Starrett Co. hole saws and they are great. Regards....Dick Wilbers ----- Original Message ----- From: "baileys" Subject: Zenith-List: hole cutting with a roto-zip > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" > > Does anyone have any actual experience cutting circles in aluminum > with a rotozip? Does it mar the aluminum surface and can you get > consisteant results? Also do you use any type of lubricant on the > blade? I would think > that since aluminum is kind of gummy to machine that it would weld > itself to > the cutter if you used it dry. > > I have one of the things and rarely use it. As an aside no matter what > the job is from welding a broken lawn mower bracket to cutting brush > my wife will laugh and say, "Good thing we have a rotozip." and I > remind her that she is the one that bought it after watching a > commercial on TV. lol Bob B. 701 #7 5552 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronnie Wehba" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: hole cutting > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wehba" > > > > http://www.rotozip.com/rightaccessory.aspx > > > > look here hope it helps! > > > > > > == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:43 AM PST US From: "baileys" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: hole cutting with a roto-zip --> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" Yes, but can you weld a lawn mower bracket with it? LOL Anyway thanks the Starrett holes saws are great. IMHO the rotozip is vastly overrated by the manufacturer at least it was before Bosch bought the company. I haven't seen the kind of claims they were making lately. Bob B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wilbers" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: hole cutting with a roto-zip > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Wilbers" > > I have made all the holes im my plane, particularly the instrument panel, > with metal cutting hole saws using a wood backing. They are perfectly round > and exactkly to size. I used the L.S. Starrett Co. hole saws and they are > great. > Regards....Dick Wilbers > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "baileys" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: hole cutting with a roto-zip > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" > > > > Does anyone have any actual experience cutting circles in aluminum with a > > rotozip? Does it mar the aluminum surface and can you get consisteant > > results? Also do you use any type of lubricant on the blade? I would > think > > that since aluminum is kind of gummy to machine that it would weld itself > to > > the cutter if you used it dry. > > > > I have one of the things and rarely use it. As an aside no matter what the > > job is from welding a broken lawn mower bracket to cutting brush my wife > > will laugh and say, "Good thing we have a rotozip." and I remind her that > > she is the one that bought it after watching a commercial on TV. lol > > Bob B. 701 #7 5552 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ronnie Wehba" > > To: > > Subject: Zenith-List: hole cutting > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wehba" > > > > > > http://www.rotozip.com/rightaccessory.aspx > > > > > > look here hope it helps! > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:51 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... From: "Bima, Martin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" Is it common or not to use brass/bronze fittings and valves with aluminum tube and tanks? Working on fuel system in the wings now. Martin Bima STOL-Vair www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Ha, you do like to open a can of worms don't you...:) Well I have used brass fittings and 3033 alu tube everywhere (in fact I used 1/4" brass compression fittings from the hardware store with a dab of loctite on the cap) and have not seen any corrosion in the last five years. Conventional wisdom would say this is a bad idea...If you were pumping water I would agree, but with oily fuel it seems to be no problem at all. Frank 601 HDS 337 hours -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bima, Martin Subject: Zenith-List: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" Is it common or not to use brass/bronze fittings and valves with aluminum tube and tanks? Working on fuel system in the wings now. Martin Bima STOL-Vair www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:48 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... From: --> Zenith-List message posted by: I didn't; I used aluminum compression fittings, Swagelok. I made my own finger strainers of aluminum Swagelok fittings. Long-term, brass or copper in contact w/ aluminum will corrode. The Teflon tape or paste seal on tapered pipe fittings gives you some corrosion protection, but single metal systems corrode less. GGP ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:12 PM PST US From: rbauer@intergate.com Subject: Zenith-List: more almost free stuff --> Zenith-List message posted by: rbauer@intergate.com Ok list. Is there any use for Fiberfrax, 1/32 thk in 2.8" diameter discs? They're punching some now & I may be able to get some if there is some overrun. Rich ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:09 PM PST US From: J Peters Subject: Zenith-List: Any builders in Austin or D/FW Tx? --> Zenith-List message posted by: J Peters Hello all. I am considering the purchase of a 601xl kit from Zenith and have been monitoring the Matronics Zenith list for a few weeks. I am very pleased to see how, while not perfect, everyone seems to be very happy with their kits. No one in my local EAA chapter has or is building a Zenith product (they all seem to be building RVs), but I sure would like to visit with a builder and see their project first hand. I'd even volunteer a day's labor to "help" as long as they wouldn't charge me too much for "helping". LOL. I live in Austin, TX and travel to D/FW regularly. I also get up to Little Rock, AR every once in a while. Any builders in Central Texas that could stand a visitor? Thanks and take care. Jeff Peters __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:24 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Any builders in Austin or D/FW Tx? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Hi Jeff You probably picked a very wrong time for your post as alot of builders are heading to Oshkosh for tonight's Zenith Builders dinner. You will have better luck in re-posting next week. For now you could browse www.ch601.org for information. Also don't forget to look at the links page and visit with other builders Mark Townsend 601XL EJ 2.2L Alma, Ontario www.ch601.org do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J Peters Subject: Zenith-List: Any builders in Austin or D/FW Tx? --> Zenith-List message posted by: J Peters Hello all. I am considering the purchase of a 601xl kit from Zenith and have been monitoring the Matronics Zenith list for a few weeks. I am very pleased to see how, while not perfect, everyone seems to be very happy with their kits. No one in my local EAA chapter has or is building a Zenith product (they all seem to be building RVs), but I sure would like to visit with a builder and see their project first hand. I'd even volunteer a day's labor to "help" as long as they wouldn't charge me too much for "helping". LOL. I live in Austin, TX and travel to D/FW regularly. I also get up to Little Rock, AR every once in a while. Any builders in Central Texas that could stand a visitor? Thanks and take care. Jeff Peters __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail == == == == ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:11 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Any builders in Austin or D/FW Tx? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" Jeff If you care to come a little further south (San Antonio), there are at least 4 of us with Zodiacs in various stages. Randy Stout n282rs"at"earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 > Hello all. > > I am considering the purchase of a 601xl kit from > Zenith and have been monitoring the Matronics Zenith > list for a few weeks. I am very pleased to see how, > while not perfect, everyone seems to be very happy > with their kits. > > No one in my local EAA chapter has or is building a > Zenith product (they all seem to be building RVs), but > I sure would like to visit with a builder and see > their project first hand. I'd even volunteer a day's > labor to "help" as long as they wouldn't charge me too > much for "helping". LOL. > > I live in Austin, TX and travel to D/FW regularly. I > also get up to Little Rock, AR every once in a while. > > Any builders in Central Texas that could stand a > visitor? > > Thanks and take care. > > Jeff Peters ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:18 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker Great question... I wanted to ask the same last night, but didn't want to open said "can of worms." The only finger strainer and drain valves that I could find were brass, so I figured it is considered o.k. After purchasing the fittings from the local NAPA, I decided that I should go with AN fittings and ordered them online from ACS late last night. Then this morning it dawned on me that my automotive flaring tool is not 37 deg. I sure as heck don't want to pay $$$ for an aviation flaring tool. So what is one to do?? Also, NAPA doesn't carry aluminum fuel line at all. Is there a national auto chain that carries fuel line? I plan to use 3/8 OD. Is this what everyone is using? R/ Brandon HDS port wing almost complete __________________________________ Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:39 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: hole cutting with a roto-zip --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker I used my roto-zip to cut the baggage compartment hole in the top wing skin and broke the blade after about 12". Went to the nibbler after that and was happy with the results. I think for small holes it might work, but I cut way too long & developed too much heat. I have a really cheapo fly cutter from Harbor Freight that works like a charm. I get to cut the holes for the taxi lights in .040 tonight. Great fun!!! R/ Brandon Tucker HDS port wing almost complete __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:33 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Aileron Trim questions --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker -Just when I said that a flush aileron trim tab wasn't possible on an HDS, I found this: http://www.users.bigpond.com/jlivsey/aileron1.html I humbly eat my words! R/ Brandon Tucker __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:53 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: ZAC Dinner --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> SO who on this list will be the first one in front of a computer to tell all us non Oshkosh participants, how the Zenith Builders dinner went?? Mark Townsend 601XL EJ 2.2L Alma, Ontario www.ch601.org