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1. 12:25 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 05:22 AM - AN fittings (Bob Gibfried)
3. 07:38 AM - 601's at Oshkosh (was aileron trim tab size) (Michel Therrien)
4. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
5. 08:18 AM - Re: more almost free stuff (88tierra)
6. 08:43 AM - Mike Sinclair's 701 (Cdngoose)
7. 08:45 AM - A question for the XL builders (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 09:01 AM - Re: more almost free stuff (rbauer@intergate.com)
9. 09:59 AM - Re: A question for the XL builders (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
10. 11:42 AM - Re: A question for the XL builders (Jack Russell)
11. 12:14 PM - Re: A question for the XL builders (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 12:26 PM - Re: A question for the XL builders (Dirk Slabbert)
13. 05:27 PM - Re: A question for the XL builders . Drilling or deburing? (Gary Gower)
14. 05:46 PM - CH 640 Quickbuild (Stephen Adams)
15. 06:37 PM - Re: AN fittings (Larry Martin)
16. 06:59 PM - Re: A question for the XL builders (Mark Stauffer)
17. 07:32 PM - Re: AN fittings (Jim and Lucy)
18. 09:03 PM - Re: Any builders in Austin or D/FW Tx? (Chuck Deiterich)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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Dear Lister,
Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
AN fittings are AN fittings and all are the 37 degree flare. Doesn't matter
who you buy them from. Believe the auto racing trade started using them
because of their precise fit and lack of problems; just what you need in
aviation.
Larry's right; Summit is a great company to do business with. Helped me
work out some problems with an electrical tach and a four cylinder engine.
Only problem I've had is that the Autometer CHT's high limits are way too
low. Will have to replace it.
Bob, Wichita
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| Subject: | aileron trim tab size) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Wow!... I arrived on Thursday and left Sunday pm... I
walked the flight line (show planes area) so many
times and was able to see a single 601; a Canadian
601XL.
I'm always disapointed when I see full rows of other
models... Is'nt there a way to organize something so
that all Zodiacs would be together at a strategic
location (like near Zenithair's booth) in the
showplanes area?
Michel
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--- Jeff Small <zodiacjeff@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Could find five 601's at OSH but didn't walk
> everywhere so there may have been more in the
> various camping areas.
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| Subject: | RE: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum tubing... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
3/8" OD is way overkill. 1/4" on the pressure side of the pumps is more
than adequate.
The only place I used 3/8" was on the INLET side to the pumps on the
short 1 foot section of rubber hose from my wing tanks to each pump in
the last bay of the center wing.
I did this for vapour lock avoidance but I'm sure even this is too big,
but for a 1 foot section who cares...:)
I just ordered a length from AS as its cheap enough, get morew than you
need.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
Tucker
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Brass fittings and valves on aluminum
tubing...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Great question... I wanted to ask the same last
night, but didn't want to open said "can of worms."
The only finger strainer and drain valves that I could
find were brass, so I figured it is considered o.k.
After purchasing the fittings from the local NAPA, I
decided that I should go with AN fittings and ordered
them online from ACS late last night. Then this
morning it dawned on me that my automotive flaring
tool is not 37 deg. I sure as heck don't want to pay
$$$ for an aviation flaring tool. So what is one to
do??
Also, NAPA doesn't carry aluminum fuel line at all.
Is there a national auto chain that carries fuel line?
I plan to use 3/8 OD. Is this what everyone is
using?
R/
Brandon
HDS port wing almost complete
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| Subject: | more almost free stuff |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "88tierra" <lnk@cis.net>
Yes I would be interested in several pieces if they become available.
L Kilburg
601 XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: rbauer@intergate.com
Ok list. Is there any use for Fiberfrax, 1/32 thk in 2.8" diameter discs?
They're punching some now & I may be able to get some if there is some
overrun.
Rich
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| Subject: | Mike Sinclair's 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
IF Mike Sinclair is on the List could you possibly contact me at
601xl@sympatico.ca
Thanks
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Mark Townsend
601XL EJ 2.2L
Alma, Ontario
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | A question for the XL builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hi Guys,
I built an HDS a few years back and was wondering if the ZAC factory had
invested in true matched hole CNC technology yet?
In other words are the XL kits all prepunched? I'm not talking about
just the skins but also the ribs underneath....In other words do the XL
airframes simply clecoe together right out of the box without having to
drill any holes?
I was trying to get an honest comparison of an RV 9 kit vs an Xl kit.
The RVs are all mached hole as described above.
Thanks
Frank
HDS 340 hours Startus with Ram heads.
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| Subject: | more almost free stuff |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: rbauer@intergate.com
Sorry. non left.
Rich
Quoting 88tierra <lnk@cis.net>:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "88tierra" <lnk@cis.net>
>
> Yes I would be interested in several pieces if they become available.
>
> L Kilburg
> 601 XL
>
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>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: rbauer@intergate.com
>
> Ok list. Is there any use for Fiberfrax, 1/32 thk in 2.8" diameter discs?
> They're punching some now & I may be able to get some if there is some
> overrun.
>
> Rich
>
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| Subject: | Re: A question for the XL builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Not on mine, some of the skins had prepunched pilot holes but no prepunched matched
holes.
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Construction complete.
Waiting on the paperwork.
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-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I built an HDS a few years back and was wondering if the ZAC factory had
> invested in true matched hole CNC technology yet?
>
Not on mine, some of the skins had prepunched pilot holes but no prepunched matched
holes.
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Construction complete.
Waiting on the paperwork.
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-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<FRANK.HINDE@HP.COM>
Hi Guys,
I built an HDS a few years back and was wondering if the ZAC factory had
invested in true matched hole CNC technology yet?
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| Subject: | Re: A question for the XL builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Frank: When I visited the factory a couple of months ago Roger mentioned that they
were "working" on matched hole drilling. I don't know how long "working" will
be. The method of pre drilling now is pretty low tech. I think I would have
preferred not having any of the holes pre drilled from ZAC.
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
I built an HDS a few years back and was wondering if the ZAC factory had
invested in true matched hole CNC technology yet?
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | A question for the XL builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I enjoyed your website..Things do not seem to have improved much in 5
years, quality of the kit is still pretty marginal in places.
I love your inside step idea...I had a similar thought but I was so sick
of the whole thing by that time I slapped it on the outside per plans
just to get the thing over with..I had lots of good intentions about
improving the HDS after it was flying...Bad mistake...Once its flying
ITS FLYING!
Frank
HDS Stratus with Ram heads...Yearning for speed!...:)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Russell
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A question for the XL builders
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Frank: When I visited the factory a couple of months ago Roger mentioned
that they were "working" on matched hole drilling. I don't know how long
"working" will be. The method of pre drilling now is pretty low tech. I
think I would have preferred not having any of the holes pre drilled
from ZAC.
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
I built an HDS a few years back and was wondering if the ZAC factory had
invested in true matched hole CNC technology yet?
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: A question for the XL builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Well predrilling is perhaps not such a good idea, all working surfaces are not
always the same ?
As little as a fraction of a milimeter over say, 2 meter makes a big difference?
Nothing more frustrating than predrilled holes that does'nt match !
Your part have to be perfectly straight in the end, nope, I'd rather drill an cleco
!
Dirk.
701.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Russell
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A question for the XL builders
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Frank: When I visited the factory a couple of months ago Roger mentioned that
they were "working" on matched hole drilling. I don't know how long "working"
will be. The method of pre drilling now is pretty low tech. I think I would have
preferred not having any of the holes pre drilled from ZAC.
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
I built an HDS a few years back and was wondering if the ZAC factory had
invested in true matched hole CNC technology yet?
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: A question for the XL builders . Drilling or deburing? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Is not the drilling... Is the deburing were all the fun and adreline
is... ;-) :-) :-) :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
DO NOT ARCHIVE Bad Joke...
701 912S 99.999999%
Working on final details...
--- Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell
> <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Frank: When I visited the factory a couple of months ago Roger
> mentioned that they were "working" on matched hole drilling. I don't
> know how long "working" will be. The method of pre drilling now is
> pretty low tech. I think I would have preferred not having any of the
> holes pre drilled from ZAC.
>
> "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> I built an HDS a few years back and was wondering if the ZAC factory
> had
> invested in true matched hole CNC technology yet?
>
>
> Jack Russell -Clovis CA
> 601 XL Jabiru 3300
> Progress update at:
> http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
>
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| Subject: | CH 640 Quickbuild |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stephen Adams <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Hello Everyone,
I hadn't seen anyone comment on the 640 quickbuild kit
on the list. I just received my kit last week, and it
is pretty impressive. The quality of the constuction
is excellent. Although there is still a lot of work to
do, all the major structures are complete. They even
pre-drilled my instrument panel for all the flight
instruments, switches and breakers. I started work on
the right wing Thursday and all I have left to do is
fit the wingtip skin and rivet the top skins and its
done.
I only have a few minor complaints so far. My first
complaint is the way I received the kit. I ordered the
entire kit, minus the firewall forward kit at once. It
took forever to inventory the kit because all the
small parts were thrown together in a few boxes
without any organization. It would have been helpful
for them to organize the parts a little better. The
other complaint is just a few missing parts, again a
minor complaint considering how many parts there are.
I'm sure I'll find a few more significant things to
complain about as I proceed with the construction, but
I am really happy with the kit. If you have a little
more money than time, and want to build a little
(relatively speaking) and fly a lot, I think the
quickbuilt kit is great.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
Yep you are right, it's regular flared fittings for other types of plumbing that
are 45 degrees. I went to McMaster-Carr site and they have all kinds of 37 degree
fittings, except AN, and they also have 45 degree fittings. McMaster is
another good source for braided hoses too.
While checking up on this I ran across this sentence, "Also known as SAE (Society
of Automotive Engineers) fittings. They require 45=B0 flared tubing to mate
correctly. "
Two things stick out there, I didn't know what SAE meant and the 45 degrees is
or can be associated to the automotive world. Anyway thanks for the education.
Now we all know. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Gibfried
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:18 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: AN fittings
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
AN fittings are AN fittings and all are the 37 degree flare. Doesn't matter
who you buy them from. Believe the auto racing trade started using them
because of their precise fit and lack of problems; just what you need in
aviation.
Larry's right; Summit is a great company to do business with. Helped me
work out some problems with an electrical tach and a four cylinder engine.
Only problem I've had is that the Autometer CHT's high limits are way too
low. Will have to replace it.
Bob, Wichita
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| Subject: | A question for the XL builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
Frank,
It's a big NO! Having experienced the low tech way ZAC pre-drills holes (as
well as Jack, Joe, and others) when things are wrong they're really wrong.
I'm just finishing up rebuilding the left wing due to me using the
predrilled holes that were off. Unfortunately I didn't notice until the
damage was done.
Am I still having fun? Yup! Do I still think ZAC is a very good company?
Yup! Do I sometimes wish for match drilled holes like the Vans kits?
Definitely!! ;-)
Mark Stauffer
601XL Odenton, MD
Tail finished. 2nd wing finishing up landing light, waiting on new filler
neck style fuel tanks. Rear fuselage finished.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: Zenith-List: A question for the XL builders
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hi Guys,
I built an HDS a few years back and was wondering if the ZAC factory had
invested in true matched hole CNC technology yet?
In other words are the XL kits all prepunched? I'm not talking about
just the skins but also the ribs underneath....In other words do the XL
airframes simply clecoe together right out of the box without having to
drill any holes?
I was trying to get an honest comparison of an RV 9 kit vs an Xl kit.
The RVs are all mached hole as described above.
Thanks
Frank
HDS 340 hours Startus with Ram heads.
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
At 08:36 PM 8/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I went to McMaster-Carr site and they have all kinds of 37 degree
>fittings, except AN,
The industrial world calls them JIC. Usually they are made
steel or stainless steel. High pressure hydraulic systems
use these everywhere among lots of other types. You can
get stainless steel bulkhead fittings JIC which would
be good to bring a fuel line through the firewall.
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont
ch601hds
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| Subject: | Re: Any builders in Austin or D/FW Tx? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Jeff,
I have finished and am flying my 701. I live 5 miles east of Burnet, Texas
(40 miles NW of Austin.) Pictures can be seen at www.geocities.com/cffd66
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Peters" <jeffrey421@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Any builders in Austin or D/FW Tx?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: J Peters <jeffrey421@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello all.
>
> I am considering the purchase of a 601xl kit from
> Zenith and have been monitoring the Matronics Zenith
> list for a few weeks. I am very pleased to see how,
> while not perfect, everyone seems to be very happy
> with their kits.
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