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1. 04:31 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/02/04 (caspainhower@aep.com)
2. 05:58 AM - HDS 1320lbs stall (601corvair)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS (Greg Lamoree)
4. 07:21 AM - Re: WigWag Lighting, How-to (Don Lewis)
5. 08:10 AM - CH701 at Oshkosh 2004 (John Williamson)
6. 01:53 PM - Re: WANTED: 601 XL project, kit, or component kits (Ozarkseller2@aol.com)
7. 02:53 PM - Tubes with 90degree neck? (Grant Corriveau)
8. 02:56 PM - XL gear on the HDS? (Grant Corriveau)
9. 03:04 PM - Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? (Michel Therrien)
10. 03:07 PM - Re: XL gear on the HDS? (Cdngoose)
11. 03:07 PM - Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? (Larry McFarland)
12. 03:10 PM - Re: XL gear on the HDS? (Larry McFarland)
13. 04:34 PM - Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? (Mike Fothergill)
14. 04:37 PM - Re: XL gear on the HDS? (Brandon Tucker)
15. 05:17 PM - Re: AN fittings (Scott and Valeree Stout)
16. 05:21 PM - solide riverts - HD / HDS spar (Carlos Sa)
17. 06:16 PM - Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? (Jeff Small)
18. 08:45 PM - Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was aileron trim tab size) (Greg Ferris)
19. 10:02 PM - Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was aileron trim tab size) (Gary Gower)
20. 10:17 PM - Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was aileron trim tab size) (Pilot)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/02/04 |
|July 24, 2002) at 08/03/2004 07:30:43 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
I talked to Chris Heintz and that is his prototype XL. Hopefully with all
the XL's being built right now there will be a better showing in the
future. I plan to make an effort to be ready by next year.
Craig S.
N601XS, 601XL 0-235, tail and wings complete, fuse in progress.
>Wow!... I arrived on Thursday and left Sunday pm... I
walked the flight line (show planes area) so many
times and was able to see a single 601; a Canadian
601XL.
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| Subject: | HDS 1320lbs stall |
0.6 FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS From": starts.with.nums@matronics.com
--> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
Ok guys'
I am wondering what the real-world stall speed I can expect with my HDS at 1320
lbs gross? That is, if the airframe is built as designed with the bubble canopy
and no wheel skirts. Any real test data? thanks phill
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| Subject: | Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Lamoree" <zenithlist@randomminds.com>
I had seen this question on the list before I went to Oshkosh... so I asked when
I got there.
My specific question was:
"With modifications, could the HDS be raited for the sport pilot rules."
The answer was "Yes, just add some vortex generators. This shouldn't be any problem
at all."
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Zodiac 601 XL
www.GregsPlane.com
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| Subject: | Re: WigWag Lighting, How-to |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Lewis" <don_lewis@swbell.net>
Hey Winston, Fix the Date ( month-day- year) on your computer.... You
appear to be about 2 years, 11 months fast....... Don Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Winston Ellis" <w1mdi@cox-internet.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: WigWag Lighting, How-to
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Winston Ellis <w1mdi@cox-internet.com>
>
> Larry
>
> Where are you putting your landing lights?
>
> Winston Ellis
> CH701/Suzuki
>
> Larry Martin wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <earthloc@att.net>
> >
> > I added a new page to my site on how to wire WigWag Lighting.
>
>
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| Subject: | CH701 at Oshkosh 2004 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <stol_airplane@comcast.net>
Here is three QuickTime Movies of a CH701 at OSH.
CH701 take-off, shot from the rear.
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane/Photos/100_2466.MOV 1.43 MB.
CH701 take-off, shot from the front.
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane/Photos/100_2548.MOV 1.47 MB.
CH701 landing, shot from the front.
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane/Photos/100_2551.MOV 3.00 MB.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 635 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
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| Subject: | Re: WANTED: 601 XL project, kit, or component kits |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
Since current lead time from Zenith is now nearly three months, I'm wondering
if any 601 XL builder might be giving up a project and have it for sale. If
any of you know of such please let me know. Thanks!
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| Subject: | Tubes with 90degree neck? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Has anyone found a good supply (in Canada?) for the Zodiac main gear tubes
that have the 90 degree bend? I am chaning my wheel barrow tires out for
trailer tires and punctured the tube -- oops...
Oh well, this will force me to stock a third one to carry on long trips
where it might be hard to find them?
Thanks
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF
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| Subject: | XL gear on the HDS? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Has anyone replaced the old, complicated landing struts with the 'leaf' type
used on the XL? How would the weights compare -- I'd hate to make my
aircraft heavier, but I'd consider switching if it was possible.
I think the Czech Aircraft works builds their XLs with a much lighter
'fiber' leaf-gear component -- anyone know about this? Weight? Strength?
Cost? Feasiblity to install it on the HDS?
Thanks again,
Grant
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C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I bought mine from Pneus M&M close to my house (and I
use 15X6X6 tires). I think that any good tire shop
should have that.
Michel
--- Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau
> <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> Has anyone found a good supply (in Canada?) for the
> Zodiac main gear tubes
> that have the 90 degree bend? I am chaning my wheel
> barrow tires out for
> trailer tires and punctured the tube -- oops...
>
> Oh well, this will force me to stock a third one to
> carry on long trips
> where it might be hard to find them?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Grant Corriveau
> C-GHTF
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| Subject: | XL gear on the HDS? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Hi Grant
Go to the www.ch601.org <http://www.ch601.org/> website and click on
the Builders Resources there you will find a link on how to convert your
landing gear to the XL style! You will find it under the heading of
Zodiac Changes.
Mark Townsend
601XL EJ 2.2L
Alma, Ontario
www.ch601.org <http://www.ch601.org/>
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau
<grantc@ca.inter.net>
Has anyone replaced the old, complicated landing struts with the 'leaf'
type
used on the XL? How would the weights compare -- I'd hate to make my
aircraft heavier, but I'd consider switching if it was possible.
I think the Czech Aircraft works builds their XLs with a much lighter
'fiber' leaf-gear component -- anyone know about this? Weight? Strength?
Cost? Feasiblity to install it on the HDS?
Thanks again,
Grant
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Grant,
I used a Michilin S-83 tire obtained at a motorcycle shop and got tubes
that had the 90-degree bends there. The tires were for a motor scooter,
but have worked out very well.
Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Corriveau" <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Tubes with 90degree neck?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> Has anyone found a good supply (in Canada?) for the Zodiac main gear tubes
> that have the 90 degree bend? I am chaning my wheel barrow tires out for
> trailer tires and punctured the tube -- oops...
>
> Oh well, this will force me to stock a third one to carry on long trips
> where it might be hard to find them?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Grant Corriveau
> C-GHTF
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL gear on the HDS? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Grant,
A Mr.Darby did a landing gear switch off from the HDS
to a Cessna type gear. Did a rather nice job of it too as
I recollect.
Will try to send pictures.
Larry McFarland -
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Corriveau" <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: XL gear on the HDS?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> Has anyone replaced the old, complicated landing struts with the 'leaf'
type
> used on the XL? How would the weights compare -- I'd hate to make my
> aircraft heavier, but I'd consider switching if it was possible.
>
> I think the Czech Aircraft works builds their XLs with a much lighter
> 'fiber' leaf-gear component -- anyone know about this? Weight? Strength?
> Cost? Feasiblity to install it on the HDS?
>
> Thanks again,
> Grant
>
> --
> Grant Corriveau
> C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi Grant;
We had to order them in from a local tire shop. They seemed to be able
to get them without a problem. The tubes are Cheng shin and made in
Taiwan. My spare has the number 31073376 printed on it. Don't know
whether that is a part number or a serial number. The size is
4.80/4.00-8. Hope this helps.
Mike
UHS Spinners
Grant Corriveau wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> Has anyone found a good supply (in Canada?) for the Zodiac main gear tubes
> that have the 90 degree bend? I am chaning my wheel barrow tires out for
> trailer tires and punctured the tube -- oops...
>
> Oh well, this will force me to stock a third one to carry on long trips
> where it might be hard to find them?
>
> Thanks
>
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| Subject: | RE: XL gear on the HDS? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Grant,
I contacted both Frank and Aaron about their
installations. They both, please correct me if I am
wrong, purchased a bolt on installation kit from Grove
gear, 1800 Joe Crosson Drive El Cajon, CA 92020
(619)562-1268. Aaron said that the gear is made of
tempered 2024, so it is quite a bit less material and
lighter than the basic bent 6061. One of them
compared the before and after modification weights. I
can't remember the exact numbers, but the weight
difference was within a few pounds. The price was
about $1500, which included 5" wheels and brakes, and
gun drilled brake lines for a very clean installation.
If you compare to the ZAC price of $1300 for the HDS
gear and wheels kit, it is not a bad deal, although
this does not include the nose or tail wheel.
Also, I contacted Chip Erwin at CAW, and he said
that he has never sold a composite gear separately,
but it is 40% lighter than the 6061 gear, and would
cost about what the grove gear costs. He also said
that he does not support an installation on an HDS, so
you would be on your own for mounting brackets and
supports.
The Grove installation seems considerably easier
than the bungee system. I am definitely going that
route. I live about 30 minutes from El Cajon, and was
planning a trip to Grove sometime in the near future
to check out their operation. Group purchase???
I hope Frank or Aaron are still on the list to
expand on this. They both contacted me off list when
I asked the same question a year ago. You might check
the archives.
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
HDS, Closing port wing
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott and Valeree Stout <the_stouts@worldnet.att.net>
Another source of AN fittings is:
http://www.fittingsandadapters.com/
They also have several good x-ref charts as well...
http://www.fittingsandadapters.com/fitsizchar.html
and
http://www.fittingsandadapters.com/threadchart.html
-Scott
http://home.att.net/~the_stouts_zenith_801
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| Subject: | solide riverts - HD / HDS spar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, all
I'm working on the HD spar, and have a question on solid rivets.
I used AD-5-8 rivets, as indicated in the plans, and the crushed rivet ended up
with a diameter of
~5.5 mm and height of ~1 mm.
This is still within tolerances, but I'm wondering what others have used, AD-5-8
or longer? (I'll
definitely use longer rivets on the spar cap doubler.)
Any thoughts and or comments welcome
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD
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| Subject: | Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:17:06 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>The size is 4.80/4.00-8. Hope this helps.
> Has anyone found a good supply (in Canada?) for the Zodiac main gear tubes
> that have the 90 degree bend?
Not in Canada, eh, but the ubiquitous J.C. Whitney catalogue has them in 90 degree
bend.
Lots of baby powder in installing them helps avoid pinching and punctures.
tailwinds jeff
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim tab size) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
My son and I ended-up driving to Oshkosh because of weather. We tried
staying at a new place this year. We stayed at Hickory Oaks Campground
which is located about 5 miles north of the show. They have a 2200' grass
strip and a nice little campground. Lots of trees, a lake to fish and very
quiet. They have a shuttle bus to take you to/from the show.
I have never been thrilled about flying into the show because of the traffic
(although in Nick's words: it's no big deal). Also, living in the middle of
a field with no protection from the wind and sun isn't great either. I think
we should have a 601/701 fly-in at this little strip. It was eutopia for my
son; airplanes AND fishing!
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Therrien" <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Subject: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> Wow!... I arrived on Thursday and left Sunday pm... I
> walked the flight line (show planes area) so many
> times and was able to see a single 601; a Canadian
> 601XL.
>
> I'm always disapointed when I see full rows of other
> models... Is'nt there a way to organize something so
> that all Zodiacs would be together at a strategic
> location (like near Zenithair's booth) in the
> showplanes area?
>
> Michel
> do not archive
>
> --- Jeff Small <zodiacjeff@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Could find five 601's at OSH but didn't walk
> > everywhere so there may have been more in the
> > various camping areas.
> >
>
> =====
> ----------------------------
> Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim tab size) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Greg,
No info about this place on Airnav or Landings, Do you have the
identifier or the zip code, etc.? maybe is registred with another
name...
As you describe it, is a nice place to visit in Oshkosh time.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive
--- Greg Ferris <ferret@wmtel.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
>
> My son and I ended-up driving to Oshkosh because of weather. We
> tried
> staying at a new place this year. We stayed at Hickory Oaks
> Campground
> which is located about 5 miles north of the show. They have a 2200'
> grass
> strip and a nice little campground. Lots of trees, a lake to fish
> and very
> quiet. They have a shuttle bus to take you to/from the show.
>
> I have never been thrilled about flying into the show because of the
> traffic
> (although in Nick's words: it's no big deal). Also, living in the
> middle of
> a field with no protection from the wind and sun isn't great either.
> I think
> we should have a 601/701 fly-in at this little strip. It was eutopia
> for my
> son; airplanes AND fishing!
>
> Greg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Therrien" <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size)
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien
> <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Wow!... I arrived on Thursday and left Sunday pm... I
> > walked the flight line (show planes area) so many
> > times and was able to see a single 601; a Canadian
> > 601XL.
> >
> > I'm always disapointed when I see full rows of other
> > models... Is'nt there a way to organize something so
> > that all Zodiacs would be together at a strategic
> > location (like near Zenithair's booth) in the
> > showplanes area?
> >
> > Michel
> > do not archive
> >
> > --- Jeff Small <zodiacjeff@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Could find five 601's at OSH but didn't walk
> > > everywhere so there may have been more in the
> > > various camping areas.
> > >
> >
> > =====
> > ----------------------------
> > Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim tab size) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
http://www.hickoryoakscampground.com/features.html
I can't find the airport identifier, but here is a picture,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Greg,
No info about this place on Airnav or Landings, Do you have the
identifier or the zip code, etc.? maybe is registred with another
name...
As you describe it, is a nice place to visit in Oshkosh time.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive
--- Greg Ferris <ferret@wmtel.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
>
> My son and I ended-up driving to Oshkosh because of weather. We
> tried
> staying at a new place this year. We stayed at Hickory Oaks
> Campground
> which is located about 5 miles north of the show. They have a 2200'
> grass
> strip and a nice little campground. Lots of trees, a lake to fish
> and very
> quiet. They have a shuttle bus to take you to/from the show.
>
> I have never been thrilled about flying into the show because of the
> traffic
> (although in Nick's words: it's no big deal). Also, living in the
> middle of
> a field with no protection from the wind and sun isn't great either.
> I think
> we should have a 601/701 fly-in at this little strip. It was eutopia
> for my
> son; airplanes AND fishing!
>
> Greg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Therrien" <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size)
>
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> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien
> <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Wow!... I arrived on Thursday and left Sunday pm... I
> > walked the flight line (show planes area) so many
> > times and was able to see a single 601; a Canadian
> > 601XL.
> >
> > I'm always disapointed when I see full rows of other
> > models... Is'nt there a way to organize something so
> > that all Zodiacs would be together at a strategic
> > location (like near Zenithair's booth) in the
> > showplanes area?
> >
> > Michel
> > do not archive
> >
> > --- Jeff Small <zodiacjeff@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Could find five 601's at OSH but didn't walk
> > > everywhere so there may have been more in the
> > > various camping areas.
> > >
> >
> > =====
> > ----------------------------
> > Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
> >
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