---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/03/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:31 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/02/04 (caspainhower@aep.com) 2. 05:58 AM - HDS 1320lbs stall (601corvair) 3. 06:45 AM - Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS (Greg Lamoree) 4. 07:21 AM - Re: WigWag Lighting, How-to (Don Lewis) 5. 08:10 AM - CH701 at Oshkosh 2004 (John Williamson) 6. 01:53 PM - Re: WANTED: 601 XL project, kit, or component kits (Ozarkseller2@aol.com) 7. 02:53 PM - Tubes with 90degree neck? (Grant Corriveau) 8. 02:56 PM - XL gear on the HDS? (Grant Corriveau) 9. 03:04 PM - Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? (Michel Therrien) 10. 03:07 PM - Re: XL gear on the HDS? (Cdngoose) 11. 03:07 PM - Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? (Larry McFarland) 12. 03:10 PM - Re: XL gear on the HDS? (Larry McFarland) 13. 04:34 PM - Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? (Mike Fothergill) 14. 04:37 PM - Re: XL gear on the HDS? (Brandon Tucker) 15. 05:17 PM - Re: AN fittings (Scott and Valeree Stout) 16. 05:21 PM - solide riverts - HD / HDS spar (Carlos Sa) 17. 06:16 PM - Re: Tubes with 90degree neck? (Jeff Small) 18. 08:45 PM - Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was aileron trim tab size) (Greg Ferris) 19. 10:02 PM - Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was aileron trim tab size) (Gary Gower) 20. 10:17 PM - Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was aileron trim tab size) (Pilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/02/04 From: caspainhower@aep.com |July 24, 2002) at 08/03/2004 07:30:43 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com I talked to Chris Heintz and that is his prototype XL. Hopefully with all the XL's being built right now there will be a better showing in the future. I plan to make an effort to be ready by next year. Craig S. N601XS, 601XL 0-235, tail and wings complete, fuse in progress. >Wow!... I arrived on Thursday and left Sunday pm... I walked the flight line (show planes area) so many times and was able to see a single 601; a Canadian 601XL. This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:13 AM PST US From: 601corvair Subject: Zenith-List: HDS 1320lbs stall 0.6 FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS From": starts.with.nums@matronics.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair Ok guys' I am wondering what the real-world stall speed I can expect with my HDS at 1320 lbs gross? That is, if the airframe is built as designed with the bubble canopy and no wheel skirts. Any real test data? thanks phill --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:42 AM PST US From: "Greg Lamoree" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New Sport Pilot Limits and 601HDS --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Lamoree" I had seen this question on the list before I went to Oshkosh... so I asked when I got there. My specific question was: "With modifications, could the HDS be raited for the sport pilot rules." The answer was "Yes, just add some vortex generators. This shouldn't be any problem at all." -- -------------------------- Greg Lamoree Zodiac 601 XL www.GregsPlane.com -------------------------- -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:43 AM PST US From: "Don Lewis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: WigWag Lighting, How-to --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Lewis" Hey Winston, Fix the Date ( month-day- year) on your computer.... You appear to be about 2 years, 11 months fast....... Don Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Winston Ellis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: WigWag Lighting, How-to > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Winston Ellis > > Larry > > Where are you putting your landing lights? > > Winston Ellis > CH701/Suzuki > > Larry Martin wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > > > I added a new page to my site on how to wire WigWag Lighting. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:19 AM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 at Oshkosh 2004 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Here is three QuickTime Movies of a CH701 at OSH. CH701 take-off, shot from the rear. http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane/Photos/100_2466.MOV 1.43 MB. CH701 take-off, shot from the front. http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane/Photos/100_2548.MOV 1.47 MB. CH701 landing, shot from the front. http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane/Photos/100_2551.MOV 3.00 MB. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 635 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot Zenith CH701 Project http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:21 PM PST US From: Ozarkseller2@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: WANTED: 601 XL project, kit, or component kits --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com Since current lead time from Zenith is now nearly three months, I'm wondering if any 601 XL builder might be giving up a project and have it for sale. If any of you know of such please let me know. Thanks! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Tubes with 90degree neck? From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Has anyone found a good supply (in Canada?) for the Zodiac main gear tubes that have the 90 degree bend? I am chaning my wheel barrow tires out for trailer tires and punctured the tube -- oops... Oh well, this will force me to stock a third one to carry on long trips where it might be hard to find them? Thanks -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: XL gear on the HDS? From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Has anyone replaced the old, complicated landing struts with the 'leaf' type used on the XL? How would the weights compare -- I'd hate to make my aircraft heavier, but I'd consider switching if it was possible. I think the Czech Aircraft works builds their XLs with a much lighter 'fiber' leaf-gear component -- anyone know about this? Weight? Strength? Cost? Feasiblity to install it on the HDS? Thanks again, Grant -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:19 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tubes with 90degree neck? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien I bought mine from Pneus M&M close to my house (and I use 15X6X6 tires). I think that any good tire shop should have that. Michel --- Grant Corriveau wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > > Has anyone found a good supply (in Canada?) for the > Zodiac main gear tubes > that have the 90 degree bend? I am chaning my wheel > barrow tires out for > trailer tires and punctured the tube -- oops... > > Oh well, this will force me to stock a third one to > carry on long trips > where it might be hard to find them? > > Thanks > > -- > Grant Corriveau > C-GHTF ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:12 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL gear on the HDS? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Hi Grant Go to the www.ch601.org website and click on the Builders Resources there you will find a link on how to convert your landing gear to the XL style! You will find it under the heading of Zodiac Changes. Mark Townsend 601XL EJ 2.2L Alma, Ontario www.ch601.org -----Original Message----- --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Has anyone replaced the old, complicated landing struts with the 'leaf' type used on the XL? How would the weights compare -- I'd hate to make my aircraft heavier, but I'd consider switching if it was possible. I think the Czech Aircraft works builds their XLs with a much lighter 'fiber' leaf-gear component -- anyone know about this? Weight? Strength? Cost? Feasiblity to install it on the HDS? Thanks again, Grant -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:57 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tubes with 90degree neck? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Grant, I used a Michilin S-83 tire obtained at a motorcycle shop and got tubes that had the 90-degree bends there. The tires were for a motor scooter, but have worked out very well. Larry Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Corriveau" Subject: Zenith-List: Tubes with 90degree neck? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > Has anyone found a good supply (in Canada?) for the Zodiac main gear tubes > that have the 90 degree bend? I am chaning my wheel barrow tires out for > trailer tires and punctured the tube -- oops... > > Oh well, this will force me to stock a third one to carry on long trips > where it might be hard to find them? > > Thanks > > -- > Grant Corriveau > C-GHTF > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:36 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL gear on the HDS? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Grant, A Mr.Darby did a landing gear switch off from the HDS to a Cessna type gear. Did a rather nice job of it too as I recollect. Will try to send pictures. Larry McFarland - do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Corriveau" Subject: Zenith-List: XL gear on the HDS? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > Has anyone replaced the old, complicated landing struts with the 'leaf' type > used on the XL? How would the weights compare -- I'd hate to make my > aircraft heavier, but I'd consider switching if it was possible. > > I think the Czech Aircraft works builds their XLs with a much lighter > 'fiber' leaf-gear component -- anyone know about this? Weight? Strength? > Cost? Feasiblity to install it on the HDS? > > Thanks again, > Grant > > -- > Grant Corriveau > C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:56 PM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tubes with 90degree neck? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill Hi Grant; We had to order them in from a local tire shop. They seemed to be able to get them without a problem. The tubes are Cheng shin and made in Taiwan. My spare has the number 31073376 printed on it. Don't know whether that is a part number or a serial number. The size is 4.80/4.00-8. Hope this helps. Mike UHS Spinners Grant Corriveau wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > Has anyone found a good supply (in Canada?) for the Zodiac main gear tubes > that have the 90 degree bend? I am chaning my wheel barrow tires out for > trailer tires and punctured the tube -- oops... > > Oh well, this will force me to stock a third one to carry on long trips > where it might be hard to find them? > > Thanks > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:08 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: XL gear on the HDS? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker Grant, I contacted both Frank and Aaron about their installations. They both, please correct me if I am wrong, purchased a bolt on installation kit from Grove gear, 1800 Joe Crosson Drive El Cajon, CA 92020 (619)562-1268. Aaron said that the gear is made of tempered 2024, so it is quite a bit less material and lighter than the basic bent 6061. One of them compared the before and after modification weights. I can't remember the exact numbers, but the weight difference was within a few pounds. The price was about $1500, which included 5" wheels and brakes, and gun drilled brake lines for a very clean installation. If you compare to the ZAC price of $1300 for the HDS gear and wheels kit, it is not a bad deal, although this does not include the nose or tail wheel. Also, I contacted Chip Erwin at CAW, and he said that he has never sold a composite gear separately, but it is 40% lighter than the 6061 gear, and would cost about what the grove gear costs. He also said that he does not support an installation on an HDS, so you would be on your own for mounting brackets and supports. The Grove installation seems considerably easier than the bungee system. I am definitely going that route. I live about 30 minutes from El Cajon, and was planning a trip to Grove sometime in the near future to check out their operation. Group purchase??? I hope Frank or Aaron are still on the list to expand on this. They both contacted me off list when I asked the same question a year ago. You might check the archives. Respectfully, Brandon Tucker HDS, Closing port wing __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:55 PM PST US From: Scott and Valeree Stout Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AN fittings --> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott and Valeree Stout Another source of AN fittings is: http://www.fittingsandadapters.com/ They also have several good x-ref charts as well... http://www.fittingsandadapters.com/fitsizchar.html and http://www.fittingsandadapters.com/threadchart.html -Scott http://home.att.net/~the_stouts_zenith_801 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:47 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Zenith-List: solide riverts - HD / HDS spar --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Hello, all I'm working on the HD spar, and have a question on solid rivets. I used AD-5-8 rivets, as indicated in the plans, and the crushed rivet ended up with a diameter of ~5.5 mm and height of ~1 mm. This is still within tolerances, but I'm wondering what others have used, AD-5-8 or longer? (I'll definitely use longer rivets on the spar cap doubler.) Any thoughts and or comments welcome Thanks Carlos CH601-HD ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:48 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tubes with 90degree neck? Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:17:06 -0400 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" >The size is 4.80/4.00-8. Hope this helps. > Has anyone found a good supply (in Canada?) for the Zodiac main gear tubes > that have the 90 degree bend? Not in Canada, eh, but the ubiquitous J.C. Whitney catalogue has them in 90 degree bend. Lots of baby powder in installing them helps avoid pinching and punctures. tailwinds jeff ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:16 PM PST US From: "Greg Ferris" Subject: Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" My son and I ended-up driving to Oshkosh because of weather. We tried staying at a new place this year. We stayed at Hickory Oaks Campground which is located about 5 miles north of the show. They have a 2200' grass strip and a nice little campground. Lots of trees, a lake to fish and very quiet. They have a shuttle bus to take you to/from the show. I have never been thrilled about flying into the show because of the traffic (although in Nick's words: it's no big deal). Also, living in the middle of a field with no protection from the wind and sun isn't great either. I think we should have a 601/701 fly-in at this little strip. It was eutopia for my son; airplanes AND fishing! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Therrien" Subject: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > > Wow!... I arrived on Thursday and left Sunday pm... I > walked the flight line (show planes area) so many > times and was able to see a single 601; a Canadian > 601XL. > > I'm always disapointed when I see full rows of other > models... Is'nt there a way to organize something so > that all Zodiacs would be together at a strategic > location (like near Zenithair's booth) in the > showplanes area? > > Michel > do not archive > > --- Jeff Small wrote: > > > > > Could find five 601's at OSH but didn't walk > > everywhere so there may have been more in the > > various camping areas. > > > > ===== > ---------------------------- > Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby > > > __________________________________ > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:03 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Greg, No info about this place on Airnav or Landings, Do you have the identifier or the zip code, etc.? maybe is registred with another name... As you describe it, is a nice place to visit in Oshkosh time. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive --- Greg Ferris wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" > > My son and I ended-up driving to Oshkosh because of weather. We > tried > staying at a new place this year. We stayed at Hickory Oaks > Campground > which is located about 5 miles north of the show. They have a 2200' > grass > strip and a nice little campground. Lots of trees, a lake to fish > and very > quiet. They have a shuttle bus to take you to/from the show. > > I have never been thrilled about flying into the show because of the > traffic > (although in Nick's words: it's no big deal). Also, living in the > middle of > a field with no protection from the wind and sun isn't great either. > I think > we should have a 601/701 fly-in at this little strip. It was eutopia > for my > son; airplanes AND fishing! > > Greg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Therrien" > To: > Subject: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size) > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > > > > > Wow!... I arrived on Thursday and left Sunday pm... I > > walked the flight line (show planes area) so many > > times and was able to see a single 601; a Canadian > > 601XL. > > > > I'm always disapointed when I see full rows of other > > models... Is'nt there a way to organize something so > > that all Zodiacs would be together at a strategic > > location (like near Zenithair's booth) in the > > showplanes area? > > > > Michel > > do not archive > > > > --- Jeff Small wrote: > > > > > > > > Could find five 601's at OSH but didn't walk > > > everywhere so there may have been more in the > > > various camping areas. > > > > > > > ===== > > ---------------------------- > > Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ > > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby > > > > > > __________________________________ > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:47 PM PST US From: "Pilot" Subject: Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" http://www.hickoryoakscampground.com/features.html I can't find the airport identifier, but here is a picture, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gower" Subject: Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Greg, No info about this place on Airnav or Landings, Do you have the identifier or the zip code, etc.? maybe is registred with another name... As you describe it, is a nice place to visit in Oshkosh time. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive --- Greg Ferris wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" > > My son and I ended-up driving to Oshkosh because of weather. We > tried > staying at a new place this year. We stayed at Hickory Oaks > Campground > which is located about 5 miles north of the show. They have a 2200' > grass > strip and a nice little campground. Lots of trees, a lake to fish > and very > quiet. They have a shuttle bus to take you to/from the show. > > I have never been thrilled about flying into the show because of the > traffic > (although in Nick's words: it's no big deal). Also, living in the > middle of > a field with no protection from the wind and sun isn't great either. > I think > we should have a 601/701 fly-in at this little strip. It was eutopia > for my > son; airplanes AND fishing! > > Greg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Therrien" > To: > Subject: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size) > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > > > > > Wow!... I arrived on Thursday and left Sunday pm... I > > walked the flight line (show planes area) so many > > times and was able to see a single 601; a Canadian > > 601XL. > > > > I'm always disapointed when I see full rows of other > > models... Is'nt there a way to organize something so > > that all Zodiacs would be together at a strategic > > location (like near Zenithair's booth) in the > > showplanes area? > > > > Michel > > do not archive > > > > --- Jeff Small wrote: > > > > > > > > Could find five 601's at OSH but didn't walk > > > everywhere so there may have been more in the > > > various camping areas. > > > > > > > ===== > > ---------------------------- > > Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ > > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby > > > > > > __________________________________ > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail