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1. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: WANTED: 601 XL project, kit, or component kits (sportpilot)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: XL undercarriage for HDS (Chris Weber)
3. 07:24 AM - 801 down, no injuries (Garrou, Douglas)
4. 07:33 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Tubes with 90 degree neck (John M. Goodings)
5. 07:54 AM - Re: XL longer range? (Ozarkseller2@aol.com)
6. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: XL longer range? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 08:54 AM - CH801 (Keystone Engineering LLC)
8. 10:05 AM - Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was aileron trim tab size) (Gary Gower)
9. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: XL longer range? (wizard-24@juno.com)
10. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: XL longer range? (88tierra)
11. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: XL longer range? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 10:29 AM - Re: CH801 (Richard McLachlan)
13. 10:57 AM - Re: 801 down, no injuries (Gary Gower)
14. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: XL longer range? (Gary Gower)
15. 11:13 AM - Remove me from your list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Bill Zangger)
16. 11:28 AM - Re: CH801 (Phil Owens)
17. 11:53 AM - Re: CH801 (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
18. 02:40 PM - For Sale CH-801 (bruce schmidt)
19. 09:17 PM - Re: CH801 (Benford2@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: WANTED: 601 XL project, kit, or component kits |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
I have a tail kit with air rivet gun from Zenith for a 601 XL , started
an Rv9a Quick build last month..
contact me off list if you would like..
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ozarkseller2@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: WANTED: 601 XL project, kit, or component kits
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
>
> Since current lead time from Zenith is now nearly three months, I'm
wondering
> if any 601 XL builder might be giving up a project and have it for sale.
If
> any of you know of such please let me know. Thanks!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL undercarriage for HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Weber" <chrisoz@gmx.net>
Hello Grant,
I have just built a HD airframe with the XL undercarriage, alas in the
taildragger configuration. No big deal, I made the two innermost noseribs on
each side from .040. put a few stiffeners in to build up a box on each side,
and bolted and riveted the steel attachment brackets onto those boxes. The
spring, which is coldbent from 6061 T6 according to the manufacturing specs
for the 701 spring gear by Chris H., runs recessed in a channel in front of
the main spar. The spring cost me about 100 $US to make, and welding up the
axle stubs was easy. Much easier than the bungee UC, and my last two planes
have had the spring type of gear.
Sadly I won't be seeing this one through to first flight, as 9 to 5 is
waiting for me after three years of exclusive aircraft building, during
which I have built four, and flown three Zodiacs.
The next one, built after work and on the weekends, will probably take five
years, instead of the five month I am used to.
Ah well, can't have the cake and eat it.
If you are interested I can send you some pictures of the arrangement,
Take care,
Chris from Oz
> From: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> Has anyone replaced the old, complicated landing struts with the 'leaf'
type
> used on the XL? How would the weights compare -- I'd hate to make my
> aircraft heavier, but I'd consider switching if it was possible.
>
> I think the Czech Aircraft works builds their XLs with a much lighter
> 'fiber' leaf-gear component -- anyone know about this? Weight? Strength?
> Cost? Feasiblity to install it on the HDS?
>
> Thanks again,
> Grant
>
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| Subject: | 801 down, no injuries |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
Perhaps the ability to land at low speed was a real help here.
Anybody know anything about this one? Type of engine, etc.?
NTSB Identification: DEN04LA108
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Wednesday, July 21, 2004 in Erie, CO
Aircraft: Davis-Zenair STOL CH 801, registration: N10627
Injuries: 1 Uninjured.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
report has been completed.
On July 21 2004, at approximately 1130 mountain daylight time, a
Davis-Zenair, STOL CH 801, N10627, was substantially damaged during a
forced landing to a field near Erie, Colorado. The airline transport
certificated pilot was not injured. Visual meteorological conditions
prevailed at the time of the accident. The local test flight was being
conducted under the provisions of Title 14 CFR Part 91 without a flight
plan. The flight originated at Tri-County Airport (48V), Erie, Colorado,
at approximately 1010.
According to the pilot, the airplane had a total of 1.3 hours of flight
time. The pilot said he was conducting an initial test flight and had
completed ten take off and landings on runway 33. The pilot stated that,
while on downwind following the eleventh take off, the engine power
dropped to less then half. Unable to maintain pattern altitude, the
pilot attempted to land on runway 09. The pilot was forced to land the
airplane in a field approximately 200 feet short of the runway. The
impact with the terrain displaced the left wing aft, collapsed the nose
landing gear assembly, and buckled the firewall.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Tubes with 90 degree neck |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
Message 7, From Grant Corriveau We got suitable tubes with the 90 degree
neck from Princess Auto in Kitchener, Ontario. I believe that essentially
all the Princess Auto stores stock the same stuff. They were not
expensive, and were in stock.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with Rotax 912S, Toronto/Kitchener
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| Subject: | Re: XL longer range? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
Since I am only 135 lb. and expect to often fly extended trips alone,
I would appreciate any suggestions or comments concerning increasing XL fuel
capacity beyond the factory 24 gal. Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: XL longer range? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
A few folks have added temporary ferry tanks to the wing lockers of
HD(s) models complete with a Facet pump to transfer fuel either to an
existing tank or direct to the engine with no problem.
As long as you got the space and don't exceed the aft CG limit during
your fuel burn there is no reason not to add the fuel capacity.
Personally I like to keep fuel out of the cockpit but you could even add
a temp fuel bladder in the PX seat like all the round the World flyers
do.
Frank
340 hours HDS Stratus with Ram heads
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Ozarkseller2@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL longer range?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
Since I am only 135 lb. and expect to often fly extended trips alone,
I would appreciate any suggestions or comments concerning increasing XL
fuel
capacity beyond the factory 24 gal. Thanks!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net>
I have about 100 hours on my 801 and keep having flat tires. Since I fly into off
airport places I like to run less than 6 PSI in my tires to soften the landings.
Is anyone else having tube side wall blow outs on their 801?
I'm thinking of converting my wheels and brakes to Cleveland double pucks. Has
anyone had any experience with the conversion?
Does anyone have experience with installing larger tires on their 801?
Bill Wilcox
Valdez, AK
N801BW
performing 100 hr inspection
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim tab size) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Great place, is a good option when viditing OSH.
Thanks a lot for the link.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Pilot <dhugunin@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
>
> http://www.hickoryoakscampground.com/features.html
> I can't find the airport identifier, but here is a picture,
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab
> size)
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello Greg,
>
> No info about this place on Airnav or Landings, Do you have the
> identifier or the zip code, etc.? maybe is registred with another
> name...
>
> As you describe it, is a nice place to visit in Oshkosh time.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
> Do not archive
>
>
> --- Greg Ferris <ferret@wmtel.net> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
> >
> > My son and I ended-up driving to Oshkosh because of weather. We
> > tried
> > staying at a new place this year. We stayed at Hickory Oaks
> > Campground
> > which is located about 5 miles north of the show. They have a
> 2200'
> > grass
> > strip and a nice little campground. Lots of trees, a lake to fish
> > and very
> > quiet. They have a shuttle bus to take you to/from the show.
> >
> > I have never been thrilled about flying into the show because of
> the
> > traffic
> > (although in Nick's words: it's no big deal). Also, living in the
> > middle of
> > a field with no protection from the wind and sun isn't great
> either.
> > I think
> > we should have a 601/701 fly-in at this little strip. It was
> eutopia
> > for my
> > son; airplanes AND fishing!
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michel Therrien" <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: 601's at Oshkosh (was Zenith-List: aileron trim tab size)
> >
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien
> > <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Wow!... I arrived on Thursday and left Sunday pm... I
> > > walked the flight line (show planes area) so many
> > > times and was able to see a single 601; a Canadian
> > > 601XL.
> > >
> > > I'm always disapointed when I see full rows of other
> > > models... Is'nt there a way to organize something so
> > > that all Zodiacs would be together at a strategic
> > > location (like near Zenithair's booth) in the
> > > showplanes area?
> > >
> > > Michel
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > > --- Jeff Small <zodiacjeff@msn.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Could find five 601's at OSH but didn't walk
> > > > everywhere so there may have been more in the
> > > > various camping areas.
> > > >
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| Subject: | Re: XL longer range? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> I would appreciate any suggestions or comments concerning increasing
> XL fuel capacity beyond the factory 24 gal.
Check with ZAC -- they sell an extended wing tank kit (two additional 12
gallon tanks, mounted in the leading edge of each wing just outboaud of
the main tanks). Total 48 gallons.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: XL longer range? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "88tierra" <lnk@cis.net>
I seem to remember seeing wing locker insert tanks but I can't find them on
ZAC's web site now. I did find these auxiliary tanks though:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/gif/xl-dual-wing-tanks.gif Adds another
12 gallons each which would double the capacity. Price can be found here:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/xl-price.html#Download%20and%20Print
L. Kilburg
601 XL Rudder only
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
Since I am only 135 lb. and expect to often fly extended trips alone,
I would appreciate any suggestions or comments concerning increasing XL fuel
capacity beyond the factory 24 gal. Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: XL longer range? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Wow...I wish that had been available at HDS time...It kills me having to
buy Avgas at my setination...:)
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
wizard-24@juno.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL longer range?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> I would appreciate any suggestions or comments concerning increasing
> XL fuel capacity beyond the factory 24 gal.
Check with ZAC -- they sell an extended wing tank kit (two additional 12
gallon tanks, mounted in the leading edge of each wing just outboaud of
the main tanks). Total 48 gallons.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
We run ours on a 601HDS at around 30 psi. We had a puncture in the inner
tuibe a while ago and landed with a complete flat on one side in almost nil
wind conditions. Other than needing almost full rudder deflection to roll to
a halt in a straight line, there was no problem. The tyre was OK as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keystone Engineering LLC" <keystone@gci.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH801
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC
<keystone@gci.net>
>
> I have about 100 hours on my 801 and keep having flat tires. Since I fly
into off airport places I like to run less than 6 PSI in my tires to soften
the landings. Is anyone else having tube side wall blow outs on their 801?
>
> I'm thinking of converting my wheels and brakes to Cleveland double pucks.
Has anyone had any experience with the conversion?
>
> Does anyone have experience with installing larger tires on their 801?
>
> Bill Wilcox
> Valdez, AK
> N801BW
> performing 100 hr inspection
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 801 down, no injuries |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
This came out from landings:
N-number : N10627
Aircraft Serial Number : 84292
Aircraft Manufacturer : DAVIS GUY
Model : STOL CH 801
Engine Manufacturer : AMA/EXPR
Model : UNKNOWN ENG
Aircraft Year : 2004
Owner Name : DAVIS GUY
Owner Address : 3951 E DARTMOUTH AVE
DENVER, CO, 80210-6619
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : 21-May-2004
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Amateur Built
Lots of problems with engine loss of power in initial test flights has
to be with defective gasoline systems, one common cause is poor tank
ventilation (vacum forced gasoline stop) or insuficient gasoline flow.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas"
> <dgarrou@hunton.com>
>
> Perhaps the ability to land at low speed was a real help here.
> Anybody know anything about this one? Type of engine, etc.?
>
> NTSB Identification: DEN04LA108
> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
> Accident occurred Wednesday, July 21, 2004 in Erie, CO
> Aircraft: Davis-Zenair STOL CH 801, registration: N10627
> Injuries: 1 Uninjured.
> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
> errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
> report has been completed.
>
> On July 21 2004, at approximately 1130 mountain daylight time, a
> Davis-Zenair, STOL CH 801, N10627, was substantially damaged during a
> forced landing to a field near Erie, Colorado. The airline transport
> certificated pilot was not injured. Visual meteorological conditions
> prevailed at the time of the accident. The local test flight was
> being
> conducted under the provisions of Title 14 CFR Part 91 without a
> flight
> plan. The flight originated at Tri-County Airport (48V), Erie,
> Colorado,
> at approximately 1010.
>
> According to the pilot, the airplane had a total of 1.3 hours of
> flight
> time. The pilot said he was conducting an initial test flight and had
> completed ten take off and landings on runway 33. The pilot stated
> that,
> while on downwind following the eleventh take off, the engine power
> dropped to less then half. Unable to maintain pattern altitude, the
> pilot attempted to land on runway 09. The pilot was forced to land
> the
> airplane in a field approximately 200 feet short of the runway. The
> impact with the terrain displaced the left wing aft, collapsed the
> nose
> landing gear assembly, and buckled the firewall.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL longer range? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Two things I consider important in the amount of gasoline on board:
engine's g per h at cruise and another is pilot's range... flights of
more than 3 hours without streching and bathroom is very demanding.
Climate watching is also very important in cross country flights.
The only advantange of long range tanks are that if there is no autogas
available (in caser of Rotax 912S) , you can fly to the next airfield.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Ozarkseller2@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
>
> Since I am only 135 lb. and expect to often fly extended trips alone,
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions or comments concerning increasing
> XL fuel
> capacity beyond the factory 24 gal. Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Remove me from your list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Zangger" <zangger@cox.net>
Take me off your
LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Gower
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 down, no injuries
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
This came out from landings:
N-number : N10627
Aircraft Serial Number : 84292
Aircraft Manufacturer : DAVIS GUY
Model : STOL CH 801
Engine Manufacturer : AMA/EXPR
Model : UNKNOWN ENG
Aircraft Year : 2004
Owner Name : DAVIS GUY
Owner Address : 3951 E DARTMOUTH AVE
DENVER, CO, 80210-6619
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : 21-May-2004
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Amateur Built
Lots of problems with engine loss of power in initial test flights has
to be with defective gasoline systems, one common cause is poor tank
ventilation (vacum forced gasoline stop) or insuficient gasoline flow.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas"
> <dgarrou@hunton.com>
>
> Perhaps the ability to land at low speed was a real help here.
> Anybody know anything about this one? Type of engine, etc.?
>
> NTSB Identification: DEN04LA108
> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
> Accident occurred Wednesday, July 21, 2004 in Erie, CO
> Aircraft: Davis-Zenair STOL CH 801, registration: N10627
> Injuries: 1 Uninjured.
> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
> errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
> report has been completed.
>
> On July 21 2004, at approximately 1130 mountain daylight time, a
> Davis-Zenair, STOL CH 801, N10627, was substantially damaged during a
> forced landing to a field near Erie, Colorado. The airline transport
> certificated pilot was not injured. Visual meteorological conditions
> prevailed at the time of the accident. The local test flight was
> being
> conducted under the provisions of Title 14 CFR Part 91 without a
> flight
> plan. The flight originated at Tri-County Airport (48V), Erie,
> Colorado,
> at approximately 1010.
>
> According to the pilot, the airplane had a total of 1.3 hours of
> flight
> time. The pilot said he was conducting an initial test flight and had
> completed ten take off and landings on runway 33. The pilot stated
> that,
> while on downwind following the eleventh take off, the engine power
> dropped to less then half. Unable to maintain pattern altitude, the
> pilot attempted to land on runway 09. The pilot was forced to land
> the
> airplane in a field approximately 200 feet short of the runway. The
> impact with the terrain displaced the left wing aft, collapsed the
> nose
> landing gear assembly, and buckled the firewall.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Owens" <owensp@charter.net>
Dear Bill,
6# ? I know the factory recommends 35# in the factory supplied tires
I am wondering about the type of tire you may be using and the PLY rating
I have not head of any other 801 having tire troubles, I would fax Chris
about increasing the size of the tires and ask his recomendation, usually a
good idea to ask the original designer when making a change to the basic
design.. Keeps one from making simple errors.. Good luck hope you find a
solution.
Phil Owens
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From: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: CH801
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci
net>
I have about 100 hours on my 801 and keep having flat tires. Since I fly
into off airport places I like to run less than 6 PSI in my tires to soften
the landings. Is anyone else having tube side wall blow outs on their 801?
I'm thinking of converting my wheels and brakes to Cleveland double pucks
Has anyone had any experience with the conversion?
Does anyone have experience with installing larger tires on their 801?
Bill Wilcox
Valdez, AK
N801BW
performing 100 hr inspection
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
In a message dated 8/4/2004 12:29:42 PM Central Standard Time,
richard@rodsley.net writes:
> I have about 100 hours on my 801 and keep having flat tires. Since I fly
> into off airport places I like to run less than 6 PSI in my tires to soften
> the landings. Is anyone else having tube side wall blow outs on their 801?
>
I think 6 PSI sounds pretty low. And when you said the blow outs happen on
the sidewall, it reminded me of my bicycling days. Most of my blowouts (on a
bicycle) came from underinflation. Don't know if there's any correlation or
not. But consider this: When you hit a bump (e.g. a railroad crossing...or a
curb) the tube gets pinched between the rim and the "bump." The leak will be
on the sidewall, sometimes two leaks...one on each side of the tube. If the
tire is inflated properly (I realize that bicycle tires are frequently inflated
to 100 PSI) it won't "flatten out" to the extent that the tube can become
pinched when you hit a bump.
If you are landing on asphalt or cement, even a semi-hard landing could
possibly collapse the tire to the point where the tube will be pinched enough to
puncture it. We're only talking a fraction of a second....the moment of impact.
I would try a little more air pressure in the tire. Just my thoughts on
the subject.
Dave
videoflyer@aol.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 8/4/2004 9:55:16 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
keystone@gci.net writes:
> posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net>
>
> I have about 100 hours on my 801 and keep having flat tires. Since I fly
> into off airport places I like to run less than 6 PSI in my tires to soften the
> landings. Is anyone else having tube side wall blow outs on their 801?
>
> I'm thinking of converting my wheels and brakes to Cleveland double pucks.
> Has anyone had any experience with the conversion?
>
> Does anyone have experience with installing larger tires on their 801?
>
>
6 PSI ???? thats all ????
wow. you are kiddin ? Right?
Ben Haas N801BH
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